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davidylan:
@ brownsuga

True there have been global protests by "non-christians", but how many of them have included burning of flags, bombing of religious sites and destroying of embassies? How many of such protests have been conducted in the name of God?

It is naive and amounts to playing th ostrich for you to conclude that terrorism is based not on religion but on politics.

1. I have seen many, too many to mention, you only need to go to google,

2. I was stating an opinion reflecting reality, an opinion that many share with me, you dont have to necessarily agree with me. As for the name calling, i think that was pretty childish.

why is i that when a question is asked, two pple decide to fight , ??/

enugu:
to all the muslims on this forum, I just want to know why violence always follows any perceived criticism(s) to Islam. Why must there be violent reactions to words spoken against Islam. So please can someone, say, Olabowale or Brownsuga, give me an answer/explanation?

much obliged

You have a point there about the fact that MANY Muslims are over-sensitive to critic. I myself have problems with this and had to face the consequences. I think the fact that MEN are in the forefront of Islam plays a big role. The patriarchal nature of Islam is what the world has seen and what the world knows of. Men with a warrior-menatlity have dominated Islam and many women who have criticised this have faced big problems. But a change is on its way and many Muslim women have broken barriers, some even becoming Imams etc,

However, I dont agree with you that the protest are always violent. For that is simply not true. The violent ones are the ones that make it to Media and sensationalised,

Dialogue and debate are important, but of course, i can not provide answers to all the raised questions. And what kind of answers do you expect? , It will always be a subjective one , It all comes down to the individual.

I heard about the nun. We call condemn this and distance ourselves from this brutal act. May her soul rest in peace.

The Pope has apologised and is "deeply sorry".
I am glad that he did this.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/17/pope.islam/index.html

And please dont get me wrong!
The Pope can say anything he wants, BUT the Pope is not just anybody!
He is an influential religious leader whose words are, obviously, eagerly listened to and obeyed by millions and they have hence a colossal impact on the psyche of individuals.
Also what was the point?!!!
Why not say something constructive instead of destructive, something that will BIND people and bring alienating commnuities together?

And the choice of timing; why now? We are at a time when our leaders must focus on the here and now and not on historical negativities in spreading love for humanity. I mean what is the point??

If Islam is soooo bad, well Christianity must rule by example! Dont ya think?

The Pope will speak today in repsonse to his regretable words.
I wonder what he will say.

Cheers.

@pearl2, you sound like a smart person to me. But with all due respect your outbursts prove otherwise: How can you say "you Muslims". I cant blame you or any other Chistian for the actions of a few violent Christians causing havoc in the world, simply because you are one. I am a peace-loving Muslim and i condemn all violence. I also happen to know of thousands of other Muslims who share the same opinion as I, who are against violence but believe in freedom of speech. You can not generalise.

The point i was making above was, i am involved in interfaith dialogues in Europe and we have accomplished plenty and bridged many gaps- by the simple tools of contact and communication. It is amazing what ignorance does.

The Pope, made a point and used histrorical references. In sum, what he said, which baffled many (Christians included), was that Islam was spread by force. I am sure you wil agree with me that so was Christianity. I dont have to deliberate further, as history speaks for itself.

However, one thing all the non-Muslim writers in this thread are missing are the nuances of life. It seems as though you see things only in black and white. There is no such thing as the "the Muslim" nor "the Islam". I have said it many times before and I will always say it: there is much diversity (geography, ethnicity and even race) and complexity (interpretation, denominations, etc) within the religion of Islam. And yes, though it may be hard for you to belive, there are liberal, peace-loving Muslims in the world today.

As for the picture, it is a pity you did not choose to post the peaceful demonstrations held by Muslims worldwide, protesting against the outbursts of the Pope. No, you chose to post this one because you have one aim in mind, to discredit Islam, with total disregard for its shades. I have seen many global protests by non-Muslims with a similar 'violent' character but nobody concluded they were religion-inspired.

Lastly, i dare say that most terrorist acts are NOT based on religion, no they are based on politics. Terrorism, or whatever you call it, is a POLITICAL war between the West and 'the Islamic world ' based on power, resources, humiliation, degradation, injustice, geography etc, religion is just one element, a tool or means to, among other things, recruit support.

babyosisi:
Just plead with your Muslim buddies and resolve that no heads roll especially in Naija over the popes statement.
That is all we ask for.

I promised myself that i wouldnt come back here as that is, in my opinion, a waste of time. But i just have to say, or rather repeat, what i wrote way back in the start of this discussion.

You can not hold me responsible for the actions of other Muslims simply because i am one.
I have made it clear in that thread that there are many denominations within Islam-above 80 and still counting. Each one has an own understanding of the Holy Kuran.

How can you be so shallow and write "Just plead with your Muslim buddies, ".
How can you honestly suggest that? I to go and plead? and to my fellow Muslim buddies? who? which ones? why?

I truly hope that the point i am trying to make, if nothing else, will come across to you.

As for the pope's recent outbursts, like i wrote , i just wonder what all the inter-faith initiatives in the world will accomplish where influential leaders have proven to be so clumsy. I am against all kinds of violence, but believe in freedom of speech. Yes, i predict upheavel too, but you can not and must not blame me or other innocent Muslims for that just because we are Muslims. You simply can not generalise.

I can also say Christianity is a violent religion and back my argument with the Catholic-Protestants conflict in Ireland as an example. But unlike you i dont see things only black and white, no, life would be so dull then.

What can inter-faith initiatives accomplish where leaders prove so clumsy?

babyosisi, am not ignorant, I have read all that was said. You are right about the idiot part.
But you sure act like one when you make all those stupid generalisations. , Islam has not led me astray, on the contrary.

You said yourself somewhere that ignorance deserves no response. I agree with you fully on this part,

olabowale:
@Babyosisi; Its great that you can call me an idiot. If I were from your family, then somebody who is younger than you will get up and smack you in the face. I am sure the group you belong to have more sense than that.

Yes they offer animals in slaughter during hajj. You do not know anything about islam. The animal being offered is in the same tradition of the sacrifice that Ibrahiim (AS) engaged in with his son Ismail (AS), who was ransomed by Allah the Almighty. It shows your lack of your own self awareness. I wonder when you deviate from the religion of father Ibrahiim (AS), what else do I expect from you. All your actions are tantanimous to hatred of hausas, when you actually said you are not. Of course, i have not lost family members in any Nigerian riot. I also do not need to live in the north, regardless of my religion. The land of Allah is wide and spacious.

The things that i and my associates are engaged in in Igboland, you an Igbo woman will never be able to do it, even within Igbo society. This is not to say that i am bragging. I do not need to brag, especially to a person whose brain is neither existing or yet developed. You lack common sense. Yes, common sense has nothing to do with academics. afterall, it is you who as a Doctor does not know the stages of feutal developments afet fertalization of the egg.

Again, I pity the man who will find himself in your clutch. It will be as if he has began his day of judgement with this kind of evilness in you. Shame on you. The evil in your heart will never profit you. Of course, there is time for you to repent. God is alway ready to receive the repentance of His creation. maybe, from all indication, you may not be arrogant afterall. God is able to do all things.

Thank you.

lool edygril!!

I think one should be warned before being banned!
I myself, havent been banned, but would like to be warned beforehand!
gosh i didnt know there were sanctions on cyperspace too!

Bolarge, my heart goes out to you. I pray things will work out between you and your wife.
I have read your story and really sympathise with you.

I dont want to blame you while you are already in enough stress, but really, to a certain extent, you are the cause of the tension in your home. You were looking for something you obviosuly were not getting from your wife- emotional support? with another female figure. You say because you were idle.

I would say try everything under the sun to save your marriage, since you are the cause of the tension. Make it up to her. Dont argue and please stop saying what you did was normal- because it simply wasnt! Imagine if she did that to you with another man. You would be feeling the same way.

I think your wife is feeling dejected, incomplete and inadequate as a woman and wife because you sought elsewhere what you should have sought in your wife.  She is hurting and arguing with her will hurt her more. So stop ding that.
AND have you aplogized for your actions- i mean truly and meaningfully aplogized with explanation as to what drove you to seek comfort eleswhere? Sometimes a simple SORRY goes a long way and heals wounded souls. It also repairs lost trust.

Secondly, sometimes seperation helps- a moment to miss each other, to feel the absence and true meaning of the  other. Maybe you could try that.

I will pray for you man.
Your wife sounds like the ideal wife,

Good luck dear.

lovely, lovely, lovely!

@babyosisi, i just would like to know why you hate Muslims and the Muslim religion so much?
is it a personal thing? please dont abuse me. I dont hate you.