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Delafruita: i have an issue with clinging on to a ridiculously irrelevant point.there are so many historical records which pinpoint the lenght of time jews spent in babylon.of course these figures might not be exact but almost all of them are in agreement that the jews spent 50+ years in babylon.even theologians have attempted to potray the 70 years in the Bible as "70 sabath years".they claim the Bible didnt intend it to mean 70 calendar years.some even say at that time,a year lasts longer than it does now and so the Bible was accurate in its 70 years estimate.
besides why did you choose not to comment on the parts about joseph in egypt?just wondering

gbadexy: @ nyameke
Listen, if you are in a very serious fix, and you are desperate enough, you will have impromptu faith and believe whatever you are asked to do.
They word in the cannan woman's case is desperation. Besides, you are implying that the gentiles whom some of you described as heathen now have faith more than the jews?
@ buzugee
Are you for real? Serious, you are not joking? So west africans are now the original jews? And we will rule the world! You wait pass the coming of Jesus for that to happena.
Fashy inferiority complex, Caucasians are the most developed race except you are fooling your self. From their appearance that looks closer to what an angel would be than a black man to their intelligence. If they are not superior, they won't enslave and colonise the rest of the races and continents.
But really a deaf man would still even be able to hear the vibration of words than trying to reason with religious bigots.
A clown even said Allah that literally means Creator is not God but yahweh is.
Another one said the romans killed Jesus!
That shows how religion can turn even a professor into a nursery pupil.
I surrender, keep deceiving yourserves even in the face of logical facts that can be related with instead of vrrses that say A is white in one verse and A is black in another verse in the same bible.

nyameke: lol see your posterity teeth

Delafruita: if your only disagreement with that long post if the lenght of the babylonian slavery,then you have work to do.


Babylonian captivity (or Babylonian exile ) was the period in Jewish history during which the Jews of the ancient Kingdom of Judah were captives in Babylon .
Rabbinic chronologists place the date of the destruction of the First Temple -considered the onset of the captivity [ citation needed ] - to be 3338 HC i.e. 423 BCE [ 1 ] or 3358 HC i.e. 403 BCE [ 2 ] while modern secular dating [ who? ] for it is 587–538 BCE . [ citation needed ]

introduction
After about fifty years of exile in Babylon, the Israelites were allowedto return to their own country.
Many of them made the journey back to their own land, and to their capital city of Jerusalem.
The Journey
In the spring of 537 B.C.E., after long preparations, the Israelites set out on the journey back to their homeland.
The journey between Babylon and Jerusalem covered almost 800 miles (1300 kms). The Israelites headed north to the old and now ruined city of Mari and on to Haran where Abraham had moved with his family.
They traveled via Damascus to the Sea of Galilee (following a similar route to Abraham's when he moved to Canaan), then through the mountains to the city of Jerusalem. The city would have been largely in ruins, and a sad sight for the returning people.

you can see two different evidence that they spent 50+ years in babylon.i challenge you to quote anywhere apart from the Bible abd Bible websites like the one you quoted earlier

nyameke: lol funny analogy but true.. That whole passage was about faith.. Jesus said he came for the lost sheep. In other words those lost and without faith in the Lord..

A child is innocent and helpless and obviously can't fend for himself. A dog is a natural hunter and can fend for himself. So why would any sane person give a child's food to the dog? ..
Jesus is basically telling the woman that what she seeks she already has. Faith is what brought her to jesus so that her daughter would be healed. If she didn't believe that by seeking the help of jesus her daughter would be healed she wouldn't have left her ailing daughter and sought the help of jesus. Now that's faith.

That's why her response was fascinating and humbling at the same time..The woman response was that DOGS do eat the crumbs at the masters table sometimes. The master here is jesus. She is basically saying that when your faith is not up to that task you have to seek the help of one with more faith and who better else than the master himself thealpha and omega and king of kings.. And thus the Lord replied woman you have great faith and as such your request have been granted ..

Everything in this universe is based on faith or belief. Jesus said that if you have faith and do not doubt and tell a mountain to move to the sea it will.. One thing ignorant Christians have to realise is that jesus didn't only come to teach us about salvation but a whole lot of other things and this passage was one example.. With faith you can heal yourself and others and do the "impossible" and people will term it miraculous ..

Delafruita: i like the Bible and i think people will understand the Bible more if they understood the history behind many of its stories.

the story of slavery in Egypt began with a phrase in eodus "and a new king arose that didnt know joseph".many a time,christians dont read meaning into this.the reality however is thatt prior to joseph's arrival in egypt,a band of mesopotamian mercenaries called the "hyskos" invaded egypt in 1720 BC via the nile and conquered the egyptians.the hyskos founded the 15th and 16th dynasty until the fight for independence led to their expulsion in 1567BC.if you take note of the fact the historians are in agreement that joseph was promoted sometime around 1670BC,you would realise that Joseph was actually made grand vizier by someone of his own heritage who at the time was ruler of egypt.in essence,after the rebellion began in thebes,it was actually a war of real egyptians against the occupiers a.k.a hyskos.if you then consider the fact that the hyskos gave the land of goshen to joseph sometime around 1674BC,take note the land of goshen was one of the most coveted in egypt,you then realise that the local egyptians had an unfavourable disposition towards the isrealites particularly since the hyskos made use of the horse-drawn carts in quelling rebellion leading to numerous casualties.they entered an alliance with Cush to further suppress southern egypt.Ahmose 1 conquered the hyskos and is believed to have enslaved them.it is believed that thutmoses iii was the "new king that didnt know joseph".it lends credence to the fact that he indeed adopted moses and even gave him his name.
assyrian captivity been potrayed as a sign of wickedness of the "heathen" is just absurd.you mean the same assyrians who king ahaz approached when isreal and syria threatened war?the captivity of the 10 tribes wasnt because assyria waged war.it was because judah approached tiglat-pilasser for help which he rendered.you seem to forget that it is the same assyria whose gods ahaz had placed in the temples.the same assyria judah payed large tributes to.
as for babylonian slavery,i remember Yahweh said he send "his servant" nebucchadnezzer to conquer jerusalem.so that was actually Yahweh's doing.besides it didnt last for 70 years

Delafruita: if your only disagreement with that long post if the lenght of the babylonian slavery,then you have work to do.


Babylonian captivity (or Babylonian exile ) was the period in Jewish history during which the Jews of the ancient Kingdom of Judah were captives in Babylon .
Rabbinic chronologists place the date of the destruction of the First Temple -considered the onset of the captivity [ citation needed ] - to be 3338 HC i.e. 423 BCE [ 1 ] or 3358 HC i.e. 403 BCE [ 2 ] while modern secular dating [ who? ] for it is 587–538 BCE . [ citation needed ]

introduction
After about fifty years of exile in Babylon, the Israelites were allowedto return to their own country.
Many of them made the journey back to their own land, and to their capital city of Jerusalem.
The Journey
In the spring of 537 B.C.E., after long preparations, the Israelites set out on the journey back to their homeland.
The journey between Babylon and Jerusalem covered almost 800 miles (1300 kms). The Israelites headed north to the old and now ruined city of Mari and on to Haran where Abraham had moved with his family.
They traveled via Damascus to the Sea of Galilee (following a similar route to Abraham's when he moved to Canaan), then through the mountains to the city of Jerusalem. The city would have been largely in ruins, and a sad sight for the returning people.

you can see two different evidence that they spent 50+ years in babylon.i challenge you to quote anywhere apart from the Bible abd Bible websites like the one you quoted earlier

Delafruita: oga buzugee,i laugh in spanish and swahili.so it is now the romans that killed Yeshwa.i guess i need enlightenment on that.if i may ask,what charges did the romans bring against him?oh i forgot.it was the isrealites led by Caiphas that bbrought the charges.if i remember correctly,they approached Herod and he refused to punish Yeshwa because according to him,"the man is just under an illlusion".i also remember they brought him to pilate who told them "if herod found nothing against him,then i go along with herod".i also remember that the isrealites a.k.a JEWS then threatened to petition(some historians and theologians believe they actually sent a petition)ceasar.i also remember pilate even trying to armtwist them by giving them an option of either setting free Yeshwa or Barabbas.i think they chose Yeshwa,oh i am wrong,they actually chose the thief and robber,Barabbas.i then remember Pilate symbolically washing his hands and saying "i have found no wrong in this man.his blood is on you".and i remember Caiphas responding "let his blood be upon us and our descendants".the reality is the Jews killed Yeshwa.history tells us that at the time,jerusalem was under the control of rome but wasnt deemed much of a threat hence they were allowed certain freedom.the Bible itself acknowledged the only reason they approached the romans was because they wanted crucifixion which could only be ordered by the romans.
oga buzugee,i know i have very low IQ,but i know the Jews killed Yeshwa and i know till this date,Jews dont accept Yeshwa as their messiah.they keep their shabbath on saturday,celebrate the feast of unleavened bread,they adhere to the Torah and dont read the new testament.the jewish state religion is judaism and the wailing wall means more to them than the pool of bethsaida

gbadexy: @ buzugee
I like your sense of humour though, even if we don't agree. I liked the part about the japanese and chinese inbreeding and down syndrome. Under what category do we black africans belong, bearing in mind that black is evil.
I think God liked the jews because many of their ancestors sought God and He in turn established a relationship with them.
God will only like a group of people that pleases Him.
I don't know how caucasian whites trace there lineage to cain, but that race is the most developed race.

Delafruita: and the same jews killed his only son and till date dont believe in the gospel of Yeshwa.how strange is that?

Delafruita: i like the Bible and i think people will understand the Bible more if they understood the history behind many of its stories.

the story of slavery in Egypt began with a phrase in eodus "and a new king arose that didnt know joseph".many a time,christians dont read meaning into this.the reality however is thatt prior to joseph's arrival in egypt,a band of mesopotamian mercenaries called the "hyskos" invaded egypt in 1720 BC via the nile and conquered the egyptians.the hyskos founded the 15th and 16th dynasty until the fight for independence led to their expulsion in 1567BC.if you take note of the fact the historians are in agreement that joseph was promoted sometime around 1670BC,you would realise that Joseph was actually made grand vizier by someone of his own heritage who at the time was ruler of egypt.in essence,after the rebellion began in thebes,it was actually a war of real egyptians against the occupiers a.k.a hyskos.if you then consider the fact that the hyskos gave the land of goshen to joseph sometime around 1674BC,take note the land of goshen was one of the most coveted in egypt,you then realise that the local egyptians had an unfavourable disposition towards the isrealites particularly since the hyskos made use of the horse-drawn carts in quelling rebellion leading to numerous casualties.they entered an alliance with Cush to further suppress southern egypt.Ahmose 1 conquered the hyskos and is believed to have enslaved them.it is believed that thutmoses iii was the "new king that didnt know joseph".it lends credence to the fact that he indeed adopted moses and even gave him his name.
assyrian captivity been potrayed as a sign of wickedness of the "heathen" is just absurd.you mean the same assyrians who king ahaz approached when isreal and syria threatened war?the captivity of the 10 tribes wasnt because assyria waged war.it was because judah approached tiglat-pilasser for help which he rendered.you seem to forget that it is the same assyria whose gods ahaz had placed in the temples.the same assyria judah payed large tributes to.
as for babylonian slavery,i remember Yahweh said he send "his servant" nebucchadnezzer to conquer jerusalem.so that was actually Yahweh's doing.besides it didnt last for 70 years

mkmyers45: all words in the bible? How is your own view better? What makes it right?

gbadexy: @ buzugee
By your last analogy, and your earlier response ;" woman in question was a heathen. christs
purpose on earth was for the jews. and in
getting the jews in order, the heathens will fall
in line ( voluntarily of course ). its called
priority"
You are only making more emphasis that Jesus's primary objective was to save only the jews. Ideally, the heathen gentiles ought to have had the highest priority for a messiah for the whole mankind.
I don't know why you are not seeing it, you are just giving points to support the claim that Jesus was sent to the Jews just like Moses, Noah and the rest. The whole mankind still benefits from the ten commandment that Moses passed along to his people later even though he too was sent as a messiah to free the isrealites just as Jesus was later sent to them also.
Talking of priority, placing jews first and then reluctantly agreeing to help a heathen( who naturally needed a messiah most) shows that he is a strictly jewish messiah.
I now believe the Quran more about the Oneness of God and Jesus also being His messenger to his people, albeit he was from the spirit of God without sexual reproduction just as Adam and Eve too where from God's spirit without sexual reproduction.
I have some reservations about some things in Islam though, but a dispassionate analysis would show that the Bible and Quran both preaches about the One true God.
The jews that have had several prophets and that were with Jesus during his life time are practicing monotheism also ( Worship of only One God).
Why didn't the countless prophets that came before Jesus, that even have personal conversation with Him never intimated on God's Son, but were all telling their people to worship one true God.
You can always quote a verse countering many verse in the same Bible, while you would still quote another verse again to support your view, you can't deny the truth in the opposing verse that told of Oneness of God and Jesus calling anybody that does God wishes like him and other pious prophets did has been qualified to be called Son of God.
Besides, Jesus refers to himself as Son of man!
Christianity is a complete religion and I'm not after influencing people's religious choice. I just want people to practice the religion truthfully by trying to determine truth from falsehood and just swallowing passed down words?.

mkmyers45: huh? I dont get it they decieve from the word?

mkmyers45: No, they teach from the 'Bible' Chief and their Jesus was white hung on a tree

mkmyers45: Shut It Chief ..they teach from Jehovah's word.

logicboy01: You are making some sense for once Buzugee. This time, I dont need to calm down with cider because of your answer.

Delafruita: looking at it from the point of view of the "heathens" i would say the jews were the most wicked and vile people.even the Bible records their wickedness only difference been they were done in the name of Yahweh.how were the "heathens" wicked?how different were they from tthe isrealites?

afam4eva: Dude, na play I dey oo. Galaxy ke? They'sll be showing Nkan'nbe by then. I think one of the supersport channels should be showing it anyway but I'm not sure.

afam4eva: Tune in to Galaxy TV or OGTV for live feed.

2good: lol @ Buguzee, you are just one funny dude!

martyns303: beside cardiac arrest, can u please remind me how a tingling sensation is a symptom of coronary thrombosis? atherosclerosis conditions are usually accompanied with sudden and severe chest pains. maybe am wrong.

2good: Buzugee, the Christians on this forum doesn't believe that racist black jew like you worship their god, so stop being happy that you are one of them.

toba: They are angry that he doesn't exist

thehomer: Thanks for the interpretation. Don't worry, to show you how peaceful I am, I won't shoot you - yet.

He would have done a better job by actually showing the examples of this dishonesty. My posts are still up there.