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Janosky:
That claim is Faulty & incorrect.
Oga,let's examine "beginning" as meaning 'Source,Origin,Ruler' @ John 1:1 ,Genesis 1:1,Genesis 49:3 & Mark 13:19 to confirm if those scholars claims were correct.
John 1:1 "in the source,origin,ruler was the word."
Genesis 1:1," in the Source,Origin,ruler, God created the heaven...."
Genesis 49:3 "Reuben..the source,ruler,origin" of my virility.
Mark 13:19 ...the source ,origin,ruler of the creation which God created.."

Oga,from this practical example of Bible verses,are you now seeing that those scholars claims were faulty ?

Bible truth;Revelation 3:14, Jesus is the beginning (the first ) of God's creation.
Scholars opinion disproved by Revelation 3:14.

God MADE the Universe through(by means of) his Son.
Jesus is NOT origin/Source of creation.
Your Bible Revelation 3:14,says "Creation by God.

Hebrew 1:2,Revelation 3:14 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 say the same thing- God Yahweh is the Creator of ALL things
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Your own Bible says Jesus is "the creation by God" .

Beginning @ Revelation 3:14 is the same meaning of beginning in Genesis49:3,Gen1:1, Mark 13:19, John 1:1.
Those Bible verse examples were shown to you
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.



Mark 13:19
For those days will be such a time of tribulation as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will again"

Revelation 3:14
> “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation"


Study both statements highlighted @ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14.
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Your Bible supercede those scholars opinion.

lol Oga don enter
Are you a Christian Mr Janosky?
If you are not then you are missing out. The scripture has over whelming evidence that Jesus Christ who is the the Word of God was with God in the beginning of creation to the making of all things, He was the creative material for all that existed, He's the wisdom of God to establish the very foundation of the world. You've tried to deny His divinity by using the scripture a pity I must say.

Since you won't accept this overwhelming evidence I have no other choice than to pray that you may first experience salvation.

Have a wonderful day bro

Antoeni:
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God don suffer

Boomark:
Lip service. With the heart of the antichrist. Dodging these questions about the teachings of Christ proves that you are truly loyal to satan and manifesting his spirit.

Lets see if what you are manifesting is from God or from the spirit of antichrist. Answer these questions and don't RUN or DODGE THEM.

Question:

1. Do you believe that Jesus is a servant of God which confirmed by himself?

2. Do you believe that Jesus has a God. His God is the Father?

3. Do you believe that ONE GOD over all (including Jesus) is the Father not 3 persons?

4. Do you believe that God the Father has a God over him according to a trinitarian, Image123?

All has scriptures except number 4. You can request for scriptures if you are not sure.


Note:
Ken4Christ refused to accept that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. Even after seeing scripture that says you must believe that God raise Jesus to be saved. Chibuezem refused to accept the teachings of Christ as list above. Satan has made them to reject God.

Let everyone know this that Trinity is of satan and agents of darkness. Those who deny Christ and his teachings will be denied before the Father on that day. They are only deceiving themselves and others here on earth.

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1)Is Jesus a servant of God which He confirmed by Himself?
➡️ Yes this shows His humility in becoming human, not inferiority of His divine nature.

Philippians 2:6–7: “Though he was in the form of God, he did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant.”

Jesus serves the Father because He chose to humble Himself in His incarnation, yet He remains fully divine (John 1:1, Colossians 2:9).



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2. Does Jesus have a God, the Father?
➡️ Yes, in His human nature, Jesus acknowledges the Father as His God.

John 20:17: “I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

Hebrews 2:17: He was made like His brothers in every respect.

As the incarnate Son, Jesus relates to the Father as His God. But in His divine nature, He shares equality with the Father (John 10:30, John 1:1).



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3. Is the ONE GOD over all (including Jesus) the Father, not 3 persons?
➡️ “one God” is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together — one Being, three Persons.

Deuteronomy 6:4: “The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” (God’s oneness is in being, not in personhood).

Matthew 28:19: “Baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Acts 5:3–4: The Holy Spirit is called God.

1 Corinthians 8:6: The text pairs “one God, the Father” and “one Lord, Jesus Christ” — applying OT “Yahweh” titles to both.


👉 So, not the Father alone, but the Father, Son, and Spirit are the one God.


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4. Does God the Father have a God over Him ?
➡️ No.

In Trinitarian belief, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God — yet one God.

No Scripture shows the Father having a God over Him.

The relational submission (e.g., 1 Corinthians 15:28, where the Son submits to the Father) is about role, not essence.



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✅ In Summary

Jesus is called a servant because He humbled Himself in becoming human, though He is truly God.

Jesus calls the Father His God in His humanity, while remaining divine.

The “one God” is not the Father alone, but the triune God (Father, Son, Spirit).

The Father has no God above Him — He is supreme, along with the Son and Spirit in the unity of the Trinity.

Oya tag me again and ask more 😂😂😂😂

sonmvayina:
Only the truth can set you free, but before that it will piss you off.
It is only the seeker that has always denied the truth, the truth haS never denied the seeker.....

One step at a time bro, one step at a time. Milk for babies like you, meat for adults like me.....

The truth I know is Jesus Christ

Janosky:
Please read up....
Erasmus Desiderius Textus Receptus with comma johaneum insert was the manuscript that was used to publish KJV into English language.

I have read it bro it doesn't disprove the fact that trinity is real

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:5-6
"God brings his first born (in heaven/spiritual realm) into the world (physical realm)."
Jesus is firstborn in his spiritual existence.
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God", Revelation 3:14.

“Firstborn” here doesn’t mean “first created,” but rather a title of rank, honor, and inheritance (cf. Psalm 89:27: “I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.”).

The focus is on Jesus’ preeminence and the fact that angels are commanded to worship Him — something that could never be said of a created being.



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2. Revelation 3:14

> “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.”



The word “beginning” (Greek: archē) can mean “source,” “origin,” or “ruler,” not necessarily “the first thing created.”

Many scholars agree that in this verse Jesus is being described as the origin and ruler of creation — the One through whom all things were made (cf. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16).



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3. Putting it Together

Hebrews 1:5–6 emphasizes Jesus’ Sonship and superiority over angels, calling Him “firstborn” in the sense of supremacy.

Revelation 3:14 emphasizes Jesus as the source/origin of creation, not as a creature Himself.

Together, these passages affirm His preexistence, divine authority, and central role in creation, rather than implying that He was the first created being.



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✅ So, when it says “firstborn” or “beginning,” it’s not about Jesus having a created spiritual existence before His human birth, but rather about His priority, authority, and role as the source of all creation.

Janosky:
John 17:22 unity of the disciples as God & Jesus are United ,John 10:30.
He that planted & he that waters the plant are one, 1 Corinthians 3:8.
1 Corinthians 3:8, John 17:22. John 10:30.
The expression "are one" meaning UNITY,harmony.

There is no Trinity in 1 Corinthians 3:8, John 17:22. John 10:30.

Yes the word trinity does not exist in the Bible however the concept is in the Bible from old testament to new testament.
If you don't accept the concept it's fine, the most important thing is to first be Born again. Be born of the water and spirit experiencing salvation and living a life of holiness righteousness & purity.

Janosky:
Comma Johaneum is the forgery inserted into KJV @ 1st John 5:7 by Erasmus Desiderius in the 16th century.
It is a spurious insert not genuine scripture.
Abeg diligently research this fact I have explained.
Thanks

you’re right that the “Comma Johanneum” (the KJV words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one…”) is not regarded as original to 1 John. But it’s not correct to say Erasmus “inserted it into the KJV.”

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is first born of every creature just as the first born of every child is a child .

Jesus Christ in his humanity represented that but in His spiritual existence is the word of God that has been in existence before creation
John ch 1:1to 14 explains this well Janosky 😂
Janosky Janosky
You are missing out
You should join the righteous side.

Image123:
Lolz, he doesn't care about such important things, don't bother. He doesn't care about salvation, or righteousness, or being saved from sin. He cares about winning arguments to subvert your soul.

I know bro, I love the fact that I get my mention notification active lol

Janosky:
1 John 5:7 KJV & Textus Receptus translations is not correct.

Pls verify this fact for yourself.
Thank you Sir.

You've verified that the Bible is true 👌

Janosky:
Sir , I am not bookman.
Janosky is the only moniker I have consistently used on this forum.

John 10:30
New International Version
"I and the Father are one.”

John 17:22
New International Version
" I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one."

@John 17:22, Jesus Christ has given you the accurate meaning of John 10:30.

okay thanks you've solidified my belief in trinity 😊😍

Janosky:

Chai !!!!

na this your Chai dey sweet me eh

Janosky:
◄ 1 John 5:7 ►

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony"

This is the correct rendition of 1 John 5:7

okay thank you Sir
You know the Answer already.

Boomark:
You can only feel falsehood.

yh we've been given the spirit to discern falsehood, mystics and shamans who deny Jesus Christ.

Boomark:
Answer the question. Nobody is interested in your life. This is the attitude of pretenders who use subtle means to reject God and Jesus Christ.

Do you believe or not?

Yes I believe in Jesus Christ and His ministry on Earth as documented in the Bible.
Do you believe?

Janosky:
◄ 1 John 5:7 ►

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony"

This is the correct rendition of 1 John 5:7

is John 10:30 give me the correct rendition of this and also are you a Christian..... Why do I feel that this is bookman second account 😂😂😂

gohf:
when you share one divine essence to 3 persons it becomes 3 divine essences. God blessed us with intelligence and wisdom for us to be reasoning this absurdly. You said them having God means God is a fourth being but here you are calling God and essence they share


Oga even confusion sounds mysterious

SHARED, so these three persons divided God up or God divided Himself into 3 persons. Oga they are either 3 God's or each 1/3rd a God so which is it? Did God multiply himself or did He divide Himself


subtlety is what Satan is good at, even a triangle is described as one shape with three lines and everyone knows that each line is not a shape until the author of confusion gets in


lol and your simpler way self contradicts your original point that God ain't a fourth person or fourth existence yet here you are saying what I have stated, they 3 fully possess God,... yet you wanted to deny that 🤣🤣😂🤣😂

The truth is if we were making up trinity it would be so easy to understand.... I simply thank God for His mercy to allow me and the disciples of Christ who believe in the truth.... Bookman and his unique family of unitarians and mystics will continue to use human sense and wisdom to understand God. A total waste of Time, 😂😂😂😂

Boomark:
Nice. Lets see if what you are manifesting is from God or from the spirit of antichrist. Answer these questions and don't RUN or DODGE THEM.

1. Do you believe that Jesus is a servant of God which confirmed by himself?

2. Do you believe that Jesus has a God. His God is the Father?

3. Do you believe that ONE GOD over all (including Jesus) is the Father not 3 persons?

4. Do you believe that God the Father has a God over him according to a trinitarian, Image123?

All has scriptures except number 4. You can request for scriptures if you are not sure.

After this you can ask me any question in the world with respect to trinity. I will answer you. You can quote whatever I have written anywhere but don't twist it.

Julia25 started with lies and false accusations. I will not waste time with those who has satan as their husband and doing his will. Doing cut and join of what I said to gain advantage. I am unafraid and too loaded by God's grace to answer any question against trinity but can't answer those with lyinq spirit.

I live to manifest The life that God the Father has given to me through His Son in the power of His spirit.

Do you believe in Trinity?

Boomark:
They are one what?

1. One record bearer,

2. One person

So answer

One. They are Equal. That's option 3 you forgot to add

Janosky:
Comma Johaneum is the forgery inserted into KJV @ 1st John 5:7 by Erasmus Desiderius in the 16th century.
It is a spurious insert not genuine scripture.
Abeg diligently research this fact I have explained.
Thanks

So which scripture is authentic?

Janosky:

Chai !!!!

e Sweet you bah

sonmvayina:
one of the prophets in the Tanakh, i think Hosea or so stated 'My people perish for lack of knowledge' this was made because the jews where worshiping the Baal and the Asherahs, that is the gods and goddess of those around them thinking it was the real GOD. Same thing is happening now, people worship Baal thinking they are doing worship to Creator.
The idea of the logos is a Greek philosophy. we can see how easily it came to be part of the christian theology. it was borrowed.
several times in the Tanakh, the prophet warned the Jews that there is only one God. no one beside or in front of him, not even a son., there is no devil or Satan that is a dual opposite of God, everything he created, is sovereign to him and under his will. whatever happens whether good or bad, happens because it is his will. NOT BECAUSE SATAN DID IT.
but as an insult to him, Christianity created a son and a Satan that is his rival......and people are drinking it.

I knew it lol this human is not a Christain..... 😂😂😂 So sad well God is ever ready to make you His own.

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Lol I asked your Ai friend Chat gpt too about trinity do you want to see the answer?

sonmvayina:
well, you are wrong.
God is one and indivisible.......
he alone exist of himself....no partner .

nobody is dividing God please
I sense you are not a Christain
Be born again
JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU
WITH HIM YOU EXPERIENCE PEACE THAT SURPASSETH ALL UNDERSTANDING.

Steep:
Paul also said there is one Lord, Jesus christ does that mean the father is not Lord.

Did Paul say that the Father is not Lord?

sonmvayina:
it is your business.
God is consciousnesses....it cant be divided.

God is not a man or human being. several times the prophet reminded the people.
it is a pagan idea. There is no truth. it is an insult against GOD.

Na it's not
First question I will ask you
Are you a christain?
If you are not the only message I have for you is JeSus Christ is the way, the truth and the life no one can come to the Father except through Him.
God wants to have a personal relationship with you. I personally experience it, you should.

sonmvayina:
it is your business.
God is consciousnesses....it cant be divided.

God is not a man or human being. several times the prophet reminded the people.
it is a pagan idea. There is no truth. it is an insult against GOD.

My God was never divided.
God only wore flesh to save us, his name on earth Was Jesus Christ, who went about doing good things in the Power of the Holy spirit and died and resurrected sitting at the Right hand side of God the Father.

God the Father sent forth His Word (The son) into the world to reddem mankind and restore them back to Their originality in creation by the power of the Holy spirit.
These personalities have one essence and are one 💪❤️
Take not

1. God is not something that “indwells” 3 persons

It’s not that “God” is like a spirit that lives inside the Father, Son, and Spirit.

2. Each person is fully God

The Father is God.

The Son is God.

The Holy Spirit is God.
They don’t merely have God in them — they each are God by nature, sharing the one divine essence.


3. But they are not three separate Gods

This is where the mystery comes in. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. Yet, they are one God, not three gods.
The doctrine of the Trinity is one God in three persons.

gohf:
everyone who read the Bible knows that the word of God is eternal, it existed before the creation of our world and like Grok puts it, it's God's agent and means it creation.

Did the word of God come into creation? Yes the word became flesh

And it is not OR, but an the word was already present when the world was made.

Is it hard for you to understand that God brought forth his word and sent forth his word.

Lol soon you will want me to ask Grok how God used the word to create everything and where was God before everything was made.

The Word of God was not created He has been with God.
The Father was not created, was not born. He has been existing before creation likewise God The Son (Jesus Christ) and The Holyspirit. They are one that bear witness in Heaven.

gohf:
thank God that's not all that John wrote even though it's some people's favorite quote

They are ALL ONE IN TESTIMONY, ALL THREE ARE WITNESSES not gods

So The Father is not God 😁
The Father is God
The Word (Jesus Christ) is God
The Holy spirit is God

Blessed Trinity 😍

gohf:
one in 3 persons means 1 out of every 3 persons

God in 3 persons means God is in those 3 persons, so God isn't a person but indwells in three persons who I believe you mean Father son and Spirit these three persons have God in them? Right?

That’s a really good and thoughtful question 👌

The statement you made — “God in 3 persons means God is in those 3 persons…” — is actually a common way people try to understand the Trinity, but it’s a bit different from what Christian theology teaches. Let me unpack it clearly:

1. God is not something that “indwells” 3 persons

It’s not that “God” is like a spirit that lives inside the Father, Son, and Spirit. That would make “God” a fourth thing beyond the three — which is not the teaching.

2. Each person is fully God

The Father is God.

The Son is God.

The Holy Spirit is God.
They don’t merely have God in them — they each are God by nature, sharing the one divine essence.


3. But they are not three separate Gods

This is where the mystery comes in. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. Yet, they are one God, not three gods.

4. How theologians phrase it

One essence (or nature), three persons.

Not “three beings with God inside them,” but “one Being, shared fully and equally by three distinct persons.”


So the difference is subtle but important:

Your statement leans toward tritheism (3 beings indwelt by God).

The doctrine of the Trinity is one God in three persons.


💡 A simpler way:

Think of “God” not as a fourth person inside them, but as the divine essence that each of the three persons fully possesses.

I can explain further 😘

sonmvayina:
well, you are wrong.
God is one and indivisible.......
he alone exist of himself....no partner .

Yes God is one in three persons 😍


If you like sing your opinion from January to December, use Ai and go to the Tibetan monks for spiritual guidance you cannot falsify the truth which is..... God in three persons 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙏🎉❤️