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afrodoc2:
A40 Canelo and Golovkin is on for September. Meanwhile Chavez Jnr is a wimp.

Now we talking....Good quality fights I like to see. Chavez Jnr is a wasteman.

airmark:
Burnthisleaguedown So gnabry has been ruling your yeye league. Epl rejects are making it big in Germany, why wouldn't you request for martial? I won't be surprised if batshuayi goes to Germany next season and becomes another bundesliga idol.

brobro:
All these prophecies remind me when I was with the white garment church. It all about negative prophecies. And pastors seeking for men validation.

Going by your username, i'll say you attended Cele.

raumdeuter:
Kicker the magazine that rates Bundesliga players rated him as the 18th best defender in that 2008/2009 and the 68th best overall player

Is that how you become the best in a league? Who is the 18th best defender in the EPL now? I am sure you will tell me the 18th best is actually number 1

Any Sikiratu,Chukwudi and mohammed can pick up a piece of paper and rank players. However the proof they say is in the punding. Was the 18th ranked EPL Defender the most Vital Defensive cog of a league winning side?

raumdeuter:
Actually false, according to kicker, Barzagli was the 18th best defender in the Bundesliga that year Wolfsburg won the league

He went from the 18th best defender to the 65th best defender and 54th

Kicker Magazine? That one nah popularity contest. The groundwork showed Barza as being the best defender in a league winning team.... BEAST!

raumdeuter:
When these parapo defenders are isolated they show their weaknesses. I am wishing Citeh will buy Bonnuci next season and Pep will use him in a high line from the half way line where he will have 40yards of space behind him

If ANY defender is isolated, they'll show their weaknesses as Boateng has found out quite a few times already. Isolate the pair of Baresi and Beckanbeur, let's see how they'll fair.

raumdeuter:
Please in which Bundeslia did Barzagli beast? The Austrian one or which? Barzagli who Wolfsburg bought for 11m and sold for 300K 3yrs later

Below is the report from Barzagli 3 woeful years in Germany

Barzagli was fortunate that his first season at the club coincided with one of the most potent three-pronged attacks in Bundesliga history—Grafite (28 goals, 11 assists), Edin Džeko (26 goals, 10 assists) and Zvjezdan Misimović (7 goals, 20 assists).

Felix Magath, who was relieved from his duties at Bayern Munich, led Die Wölfe to their first Bundesliga title, pipping Bayern by two points.

Not one Wolfsburg defender ranked in kicker's top 15 defenders, which was somewhat of an anomaly, since league champions generally always have at least one defender on that list.


What was the end result? Barzagli was dragged all over the place as Gómez netted four times.

Andrea didn't look like a €11 million-valued centre-back, but no one vehemently pointed out his flaws, since Wolfsburg were champions.

But this wasn't the case during the 2009-10 season, as Wolfsburg supporters found their scapegoat—an overpriced and overpaid Barzagli.

The club went from No. 1 to not even qualifying for the UEFA Europa League, mainly due to Andrea's gaffes at the back.

Where do you start?

Hamburg scored twice in seven minutes (they ended with four), with Barzagli being caught out of position time after time. Andrea then spent a month warming the benches.

In the 3-1 loss to Borussia Dortmund, he couldn't win the ball away from Lucas Barrios in a game in which Mohamed Zidan had Zizou-like moments.

Wolfsburg leaked 58 goals in the Bundesliga that season, with Andrea receiving the worst kicker rating on the team for players who started 20-plus games.

The following January, Wolfsburg management cut bait and sold Barzagli to Juventus for a loss of €10.7 million.

Here are Barzagli's ranking during his time at Wolfsburg:



Kicker Player Rankings All Players Defenders Only
2008-09 ------------------68------ 18
2009-10 -----------------186------ 65
2010-11----------------- 164--------- 54


WhoScored Player Rankings
2009-10 165 N/A
2010-11 102 N/A

Bild Player Rankings
2010-11 174 59

2008/09 He Beasted your league. He was the best defender in a league winning side. He wasn't just a carry along as you like to say. He was the Most Vital defence cog of a Bundesliga winning side. Those are Hallmarks of a beast to me.

raumdeuter:
How will this remind anyone of Terry or Rio 2 carry along defenders. Barzagli don turn correct defender? What you are seeing there is community defending. When you play community defence with 3 defenders average players can look good in it. Like David Luiz and Cahill

Your have Barzagli, Bonnuci, Chelinni, Alex Sandro Dani Alves come have Marchisio on on top How many defensive players in a team

Your definition of a carry along defender and mine differs. Besides you, everyone else knows Rio and Terry played key roles in their team's success.

Don't get it twisted, Barza is a good defender. He beasted the Bundesliga when Wolfsburg won the title. He was the best central defender in your league that year.

raumdeuter:
How will this remind anyone of Terry
Take each one of them out from the parapo defence and see the scores like Barzagli found out in Wolfsburg or like Canavaro found out in Madrid

Which Kind of crazing reasoning is this? Which great defender past or present has not benefited in one way or another from community defending? Maybe we should say all defenders are equal then since they've all benefited from parapo defending. Stick Shawcross in the Munich teams of the 70s, i'm sure He'll be as highly rated as Der Kaiser.

Dayo come and see Correct defenders o ...Barza, Leo and Giorgio. Reminds you of Terry and Ferdinand at the peak of their powers doesn't it?

elampiro:
You no know ball.

Good night.

The Question is simple enough. No point trying to wriggle your way out of it. How is Griezman a one season wonder bikonu?

A40:
A more experienced AJ probably knocks out Klitschko early. The boy is still quite green and has never faced a Klitschko before

Fury is still a bit too heavy. I can't attest for A.J's chin and cardio yet but if it holds up I'm pretty sure he can knock Fury out. He beat Klitschko but Klitschko did not take much punishment at all. Tonight he took a beating

A more experienced AJ knocks down a 42yeard old Klitschko early but not a younger and fitter Klitschko.

Fury has always been on the heavy side. Don't think that would ever change. He certainly has the punching power to knock out Fury but I don't know man with his reach advantage, I think He'll be boxing from the outside.

He certainly took one helluva beating last night. Tbh so did AJ. Infact Fury is taunting AJ on twitter saying He's bout was much smoother.

A40:
I watch am from pali to pali. I wouldn't have forgiven myself if I missed that fight.

Joshua nearly fall my hand walahi. Between Rounds 6-9 he looked dead and buried. Even after dropping Klitschko he froze and looked wasted.

I always felt Joshua had too much power in his blows to not floor Wlad at least once. Did you see that uppercut? What I underestimated was his inexperience. It was a priceless endurance lesson he learned today

Props to Klitschko. If he fought like this against Fury he would still be champ. He needs to retire though. Going for a rematch would be suicide.

Loool.. I just find one pub. The atmosphere even at the Pub was banging.

There was a lot of toing and froing. When Wladmir first got knocked down, I thought it was over then AJ got knocked and this time I was certain it was over. Just could not see a way back as that was the time AJ was starting to struggle fitness wise.

Mate that Uppercut sent chills down my spine. The thing weak me. His lack of endurance was one of things I was most wary off. Never been past round 6 ever and it showed in the later rounds.

I agree. Had He brought this sort of attitude and fighting spirit vs Fury, He would have won. His head and feet movement were impeccable last night. Against Fury, He looked Heavy and a bit disinlnterested

Nihilist:
Chic2pimp would you buy ticket for a seat in the sky?

My guy just sent his seat pics to our whatsapp group. Laugh wan tear all my belle.

Hahaha ....Mate I've sat that far up at Nou Camp. Never again G. It was nuts

Nihilist:
Fury for the win on that one bruh. I fücks heavy with that pikey

A tough one to call brother. Could go either way.

Nihilist:
Mehn Klitschko is a pro though. See his movement though. See his combinations. The guy was systematically dismantling AJ, before the Dragon awoke.

Credit to the big man...and fantastic boxing from both. They are both credits to the religion.

Wladmir has always been the more skilled boxer of the two brothers whilst Vitale was the more mentally and physically tough one. Had Klitschko been 5 years younger, We probably would be talking about a different outcome right now.

Absolutely Fella...The Heavyweight division is slowly regaining it's lost glory.

Fury is running his mouth on twitter ....Fury vs Joshua next it seems

pamcode:
I would need to download and watch the match before giving my own take but going from what I read, youthful energy was what wlad missed. His movement and intelligence are still spot on.

By the way do you know how much wlad is pocketing from this fight.

Yup still had the ringsmarts about him but sadly especially towards the end of the fight, He was starting to show His age.

Had it being Vitale, no way AJ wins this bout. You simply can't knock that dude out. Much like Marvellous Marvin, dude had an Iron chin.

Nihilist:
That uppercut that rocked Klitschko had me jumping about like a madman. What a shot. What a mortal blow.

AJ is spoiling his hard work with his stupid soppy speech though.

Fammmmm....I'm watching it at a pub. We all went beserk. My Irish mate even asked who "Femi" was?

Abeg abeg let Him continue His soppy speech. It's well and truly deserved.

Nihilist:
I'm not even gon lie, I thought Klitschko was through on points.

AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same Here my Man.......Joshuaaaaaa you beauty

OLUWAFEMIIIIIII.....MY GGGG...ATTA BOYYYY!

A40 shey u dey watch the fight?

raumdeuter:
Pogba fee is 89M

So you mean around 85M for a prime, 4yr on contract

Yet >>60M for a 1yr left on contract Sanchez

Let's even for arguement sake say He would cost £55M. That's still more than the 35M I am seeing on this page

airmark:
Because terry is a legend and has been there, done it and has the tshirt, will not let me believe he is better than umtiti this morning. You asked for better cbs, i gave you. Put boathand and van dijk on transfer market, let's see who big clubs and experts will prefer. I dont exaggerate on boathand, ask yourself why he hasnt proved me wrong every season. Do you want me to rate him while playing against the bochums of this world ? Man city chased him away as he would have been a liability in the epl. If alaba could play cb successfully for bayern, tell me why i should rate an ordinary defender who quaked in front of oscar, martinez, ozil, dayo's overrated aguero, hidden hazard, long and iranian azmoun? Did boathand have injury when he gave aguero free goal? Was he injured when he was shouting halleluyah, caressing the ball in the box? Was he injured when Jupp was warning him of costly mistakes he always made ? We've had terry playing with injuries for a whole season with minimal errors in the past. Why cant boathand disappoint me throughout a season? He is nothing but hype job.

That's not a good comparison. Is Terry even amongst your top 4 central defenders? If He wasn't a Chelsea Legend, He'll be playing for the reserves right now.

Van Dijk? Claude Puel would ask if this is a joke. If Boateng for some reason decides to take up dutch citizenship, the dutch FA would have no qualms sending Him back to Suriname. Even the saints would deny ever knowing Him if you were to put the two of them on the market. Van D#@k ko Van P@$y ni.

You don't want to rate The tank based on his performances against the likes of Bochum but you want me rate Toby based on performances against the likes of Hull? . Ohhh so now we are going back to moons ago when Boateng was still an up and coming versatile defender? I'd happily take you back to Pique's time at Old trafford too or Bonucci's at Inter Milan. Doesn't look good does it?

You are simply just cherry picking. Same thing Dayo does when He wants to downgrade Terry. Let Him keep disappointing you whilst He does Fans of Germany and Munich proud.

raumdeuter:
You didnt answer, if Sanchez with 1yr left will cost over 60, what will Sanchez with 4yrs on his deal and aged 25 cost

If a 25 year old Sanchez was playing this well and had 4 yrs to run on his contract, we are looking at a figure slightly below Pogba's record fee.

Eruditor:
Boateng is an elite defender. I don't chime in during debates concerning him because I know it is just pure banter. He has played well at the highest level of games and has experienced lows that every other elite defender has experienced in a bad patch. Sergio Ramos is not a better one on one defender than Boateng. Bonucci will only dream to have Boateng's passing ability and awareness. Piqué is not as quick as Boateng and Chiellini does not have Boateng's finesse. Umtiti is not as fleet-footed as Boateng - who can make long range passes with both legs/feet. People don't realize he was heavily sedated to play that game against RM and even at that, he made 3 great blocks and tackles that could have made that scoreline uglier than it was.

Apart from one or two things, I am with you on this. I too most times join in with the banter even going as far as liking some of those posts because I find it extremely funny but abeg let's give credit to whom it's due. Consistently holding down a place for two of the biggest institutions in world footy no be beans. And He is doing it on merit too.

raumdeuter:
Vidal at a similar age was sold for 35, Kroos last yr of his contract was sold at 25, Van Persie last yr of contract to fierce rival was sold for 30M

So why should Alexis go beyond 60

Difference in ability my man. The skillset Sanchez brings to a side is more valuable than what Vidal brings.

The law of supply and demand. Kroos although a quality player was not as sought after as Sanchez is. Plus let's be honest that was one of the bargains of the decade. As for Van Persie, that was ages ago. The transfer market has changed since then.

airmark:
How will you accept my list when despite calamitous performances throughout this season by boathand, you still believe he is better than umtiti. Why should i stress maself?

You know quite well Boateng is still working his way towards full fitness after his time on the sidelines. Plus we all know you like to overexaggerate everything bad He does. Umtiti is still establishing himself as a top class defender. Boateng has been there, done it and has the t shirt.

airmark:
Lemme know when you stop kidding. So busy offline, i have more than 7 cbs in epl who are technically better than boathand right now. A boathand without a german passport, will not make asante kotoko's first 11.

Kidding? ..Coming from someone who says He can name 7 better defenders in the EPL. If I ask you to name them, please don't start with the likes of Calamity Luiz or Shawcross. I can't deal with that this glorious afternoon.

pamcode:
Chic2pimp, lordfalcao and others that follow Serie A, I would like to ask if you know Pamela David and is this how she dresses on Match of the day show.
P.S: Click on the link I can't post the pic here it Would surely get me banned.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootbalIGirls/status/849597544703422466/photo/1

Ahhhhh Pamela Davis.. .... Not watched the Italiam Version of MOTD in a while now but the ones I watched Yes she does dress provocatively

airmark:
Bonucci
Chiellini
Ramos
Godin
Hummels
Toby Alderweireld

Abeg Boa is better than all the Central Defenders in the EPL. Even if I added Pique unto that list that still gives us a top 7 central defender in football. Not bad going for the young lad eh.

Chelseafan1:
U forgot to add

Pique
Umtiti

Umtiti ko sikiratu ni

airmark:

Best 500. Yes he is in it.

... Oya name 6 central defenders better than the Tank?

raumdeuter:
You have to consider the length of his current deal too. I 6 months he can sign for free.

If Sanchez at 29yrs with one year left on his contract is 60m bargain, them what will be the price for Neymar at 25yrs with 4yrs left? 200m?

You are looking at 100plus for neymar right now. Not only is He good on the pitch, He is extremely marketable off it too.

raumdeuter:
Where does their age and length of contract come into play?

So how much will Sanchez cost if he was 26 and had 4yrs on his deal

He is at the peak of his powers not like He is 30something. Length of contract might come into play but I doubt arsenal will be willing to sell their best player that cheap. They'll rather sell him to a chinese club.

A40:
Bargain? For a player turning 30 next year? Kilagbe kilaju? I would rather break that record on a younger Mbappe. Paying £60m for a player that old with one year left to run on his deal. That's a bit excessive for any player not named Ronaldo or Messi.

Dude does not even turn 29 until december so there is still a bit of time left. A bargain for a player of his calibre. They are few and far inbetween. It might have been excessive in the past but in the current market i'm afraid it's not

A40:
Hazard has like 4 years to run on his deal and is younger. Sanchez would be 30 next year. If they won't take £35m na them sabi

A40:
They can have him then. It's not that deep

Your board need to come correct abeg. In the current transfer market, £60M is a bargain for a player of Sanchez's quality. Anyone better and younger would almost cost a World Record Transfer fee.