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ashjay001:
So, it was God, that told Abraham to sacrifice his only son? Then replaced him with a ram?


Have read abt d nicea circle? Educate urself. All those ur biblical books, were selected by a group of men, from a selection of several different writings! Writings by mere mortals, like u, who claim to receive visions n hear by word of mouth, all that happened in time past!

New testament;
Have ever told ur friend a story n then heard d retelling? Was it ever presented d way u, d witness presented it? Now, imagine d earliest written sample of d story of christ, was written, over a 100 yrs after he died!

Several versions were written, n a group of men(nicea circle), sat together, to decide which was qualified to be in a single book- the holy bible! Non of d them were witnesses to d events written, n their major criteria, was d language it was written in!

Old testament
The old testament was taken into capitivity of centuries! Can any of our African brothers in d US, provide heirlooms they were captured with? Or retell d stories of their african forefathers verbatim?



Dont throw stones, what u also believe in, is trash!


I treat the bible as a great work of philosophy! Take d portion that ans ur question/s n move on!

Irrelevant and diversionary.

ashjay001:
Everybody, is being fed with falsehood! Who are u to question, what pple choose to believe?


Abraham, certainly, didnt write those stories. Who then, was d eye witness, to quote them verbatim?

Your statement buttresses the fact that the whole story Muslims believe about Kaaba and its builders is falsehood.

Besides, God didn't tell the Israelites that Abraham left Israel and built Kaaba in Mecca. This is the reason no prophet in the Bible visited and worshipped in Kaaba. Even the Quran doesn't tell of any prophets or individuals visiting Kaaba from Israel. If it were Abraham that truly built it, would the Israelites not be going to where their father built for worship by all mankind?

Chosen59:
Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was
suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in
the mosque. During those days there
was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit
over there and placed near them a
leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing
some water,and set out homeward.
Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going,
leaving us
in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?"
She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah
ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned
(to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.

On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,
Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley
without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer:
so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they
may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14
:37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The above hadith narrates the event of Abraham, Hajrah and Ishmael movement to Mecca. But let us consider the salient points in that narration. Abraham left Hajirah and her son, Ishmael in the bush where there were no dwellers. He was going away from them without notice and Hajrah asked why he was leaving them alone in the bush but he didn't answer nor did he look back. Then she asked whether it was Allah who commanded him not to look back and he said "yes".

The question therefore is: since he left them in the bush by Allah's command NOT TO LOOK BACK, why do Muslims claim Abraham lived in Mecca? Does going back living with them not amount to disobedience to Allah's command after he had warned him not to look back?

And again, let's examine this statement by Abraham according to the hadith:
"On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,
Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley
without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer:
so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they
may give thanks."

When Abraham left them and they could no longer see him, he said he had left some of his offspring to dwell by Kaaba that they might establish prayers. That is to say they met the Kaaba on ground. But Muslims claim Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, how can that be true as Abraham left them alone in the bush and Ishmael was still a suckling?

Does it mean no Muslim in the house is capable of answering those questions?

If there there are no answers to the questions, why should Muslims be contended with falsehood they are being fed with?

Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was
suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in
the mosque. During those days there
was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit
over there and placed near them a
leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing
some water,and set out homeward.
Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going,
leaving us
in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?"
She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah
ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned
(to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.

On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,
Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley
without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer:
so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they
may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14
:37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The above hadith narrates the event of Abraham, Hajrah and Ishmael movement to Mecca. But let us consider the salient points in that narration. Abraham left Hajirah and her son, Ishmael in the bush where there were no dwellers. He was going away from them without notice and Hajrah asked why he was leaving them alone in the bush but he didn't answer nor did he look back. Then she asked whether it was Allah who commanded him not to look back and he said "yes".

The question therefore is: since he left them in the bush by Allah's command NOT TO LOOK BACK, why do Muslims claim Abraham lived in Mecca? Does going back living with them not amount to disobedience to Allah's command after he had warned him not to look back?

And again, let's examine this statement by Abraham according to the hadith:
"On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,
Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley
without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer:
so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they
may give thanks."

When Abraham left them and they could no longer see him, he said he had left some of his offspring to dwell by Kaaba that they might establish prayers. That is to say they met the Kaaba on ground. But Muslims claim Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, how can that be true as Abraham left them alone in the bush and Ishmael was still a suckling?

No one is actually addressing the issue. Since Allah takes record of the good and evil committed by Muslims and will weigh them to determine whether they will go to hell or heaven, if he (Allah) keeps forgiving Muslims, it means there will be nothing to weigh against their good deeds. But the fact is: Allah said he will judge Muslims by their sins and good deeds, meaning no forgiveness with Allah. Is that not logical?

KO89:
Why did God forsake/abandone Jesus on the cross according to that verse

The eyes of God cannot behold sin and Jesus carried the sins of the world that they would have automatic forgiveness. God forsook Jesus and could not behold the sins he was carrying.

KO89:
Ignoramus! !!!

That's why it is call Judgement Day. ....if you find yourself in paradise then you're truly forgiven. .....

If Jesus have truly died for the sins of the world then why are most people still sinning bro. ... Why did your so called personal lord and saviour say you should repent despite the fact he died for your sin! !!!

Muslims and their violent spirit !!!

What called for "ignoramus" for expressing an opinion?

Anyway, let me explain to you:


Acts 16:30-31
The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead

On knowing Jesus all the sins you committed when you didn't know Him are automatically forgiven. That is the benefit of His death for us.

I John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

We are promised sin forgiveness as soon as we repent as our God is not interested in the death of asinners but for them to repent and be saved. Our God is a God of love who will not record sins against us, waiting for the Last Day to punish us.

Does Allah forgive Muslims' sins? I think the answer is "no".

In the Quran it is mentioned that:

يَوْمَئِذٍ يَصْدُرُ النَّاسُ أَشْتَاتاً لِّيُرَوْاْ أَعْمَالَهُمْ * فَمَن يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ خَيْراً يَرَهُ *وَمَن يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ شَرّاً يَرَهُ‏

On that day men shall come forth in sundry bodies that they may be shown their works. So he who has done an atom’s weight of good shall see it. And he who has done an atom’s weight of evil shall see it. (99:6-

And it also says:

يَوْمَ تَجِدُ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا عَمِلَتْ مِنْ خَيْرٍ مُّحْضَراً وَمَا عَمِلَتْ مِنْ سُوءٍ تَوَدُّ لَوْ أَنَّ بَيْنَهَا وَبَيْنَهُ أَمَداً بَعِيداً
On the day that every soul shall find present what it has done of good and what it has done of evil, it shall wish that between it and that (evil) there were a long duration of time… (3:30)


From the above, we are made to understand that a Muslim's sins are recorded and will be weighed against his good deed on the Resurrection Day.

If that is the case, a Muslim sins are not forgiven but recorded against him, waiting for the last Day to be judged.

Why then do Muslims ask for forgiveness since they know their sins are being recorded against them?

iamgenius:
"MIGHT BE SAVED" That is not even certain, I expect something like "SHALL BE SAVED". My question; was Jesus a christian, if yes or no prove it.

Jesus was a Jew who founded Christianity. He said and I qoute: " And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Mathew 16:18).

The Church was built after him and for him and since then he has been interacting with the Church as he first did in the Book of Revelations Chapter 3.

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Hier:
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I surely believe that the Bible Jesus and the presumed Isa of the quran are different and I recently realise that the Islamic religion, was an attempt to cause more religious upheaval.

I share your opinion.

Islam cannot be from God. Islamic allah is not Yahweh as their ways, laws and words are not the same. The quran was raised to oppose the Bible. The author of the quran pretended as the God of the Bible prophets to deceive humanity.

iamgenius:
It came late. i'm very busy.
Sahih Muslim
Book 55, Hadith 7559

....Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odour of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see...

Good that you are able to provide a reference to your claim. But the reference poses a lot of other questions. If Jesus descends into Damascus, a city just in a minute part of the world, it means his operations from there cannot be universal
Moreso that you believe he is going to marry and have children.

A.married man with children can only operate as a human with limited human capacity. Then, how will he be able to destroy the crosses and eradicate the pigs worldwide? An attempt to do so will amount to criminal offence in this modern days. I can't imagine somebody posing as Jesus coming to my Church wanting to destroy it and we fold our hands or coming to destroy my piggery farm into which I have invested much money and me standing looking at him. Such a man will be seriously dealt with. No government of any nation will allow that to happen.

What Muhammad did in his days, entering a city killing their men and taking their women as sex slave is no more possible today. In other words, islam would not have seen the light of the day if it were to be established in today's world. No nation will tolerate what Muhammad did in those days.

correcttt:
Looool

The God that saves one out of many in same situation

Lmao!! Kikikiki

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:13)

Others didn't call on the name of the Lord.

A Muslim woman was engaged in smuggling and was going to Benin Republic to buy thin tomatoes and pomades. In her last journey to Benin Republic, she boarded a canoe to cross to where she would take a vehicle. It was around 8pm before she could get a canoe and they used an ordinary torchlight to provide light to paddle the canoe. You can imagine how dark it would be to paddle a canoe on a lagoon in the night using torchlight.

Suddenly, the canoe began to sink and before she knew it, the paddler jumped into the water for safety, leaving her and others in the canoe. As they were sinking, she said she didn't know what came over her and instead of shouting "Allahu" characteristic of Muslims, she shouted "Jesu jowo gbami o"!!! (meaning Jesus please deliver me). A hand from nowhere held her by the waist and took her to the bank. She looked around but could not see the being who carried her. All others perished in the water but Jesus she called upon for safety delivered her. Who could do this ? Only Jesus.

Today, the woman is a fervent Christian.

Quran 57:27 We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy . . .

Allah testifies that those who follow Jesus Christ are compassionate and merciful. This is evident by their characters and behaviors. We see today that Christians are nice and peace loving people.

With Allah's own testimony, why would he bring Islam which now brought violence and restlessness to the world?

Is Islam from the same God who sent Jesus with his merciful and compassionate followers?

@ iamgenius

Waiting for your hadith or Quranic verse(s) to evidence your claim.

iamgenius:
You shouldn't have shown 100% of your ignorance now. Copy paste religion follower.

He'll surely descend from heaven. Oya, Lets see how confused you will be now. Your next mention will be; "how possible is that". Confused Fellow.

Trash !!!

He will descend from heaven says who? Let's have your sources: hadith or Quran.

Emusan:
This question you're asking is beyond both Allah and Muhammad themselves because neither Allah addressed it in the Qur'an nor Muhammad in the haddith, so don't expect any Muslims to give you an answer.

If you want to confuse them more, ask will their Isa be born or descend from heaven in his second coming?

I knew they have no answer even before asking.

There are so many unanswered questions in islam because the religion is a spiritual manipulation.

How Will Muslim Jesus Come Back?

I do understand that Muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus but contrary to the Christian faith, the Muslim Jesus is coming with a different mission.

The question I haven't heard any Muslims answer is: how is their Jesus going to come? The Bible is unambiguous on the mission and how the Jesus Christian are expecting will come back.

Can muslims answer the question now?

Muslims Are Commanded To Deal Fairly Equally With Their Wives, Why?

[Quran 33:51Shakir]  You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased, all of them with what you give them, and Allah knows what is in your hearts; and Allah is Knowing, Forbearing.

Another translation:

You, [O Muhammad], may put aside whom you will of them or take to yourself whom you will. And any that you desire of those [wives] from whom you had [temporarily] separated - there is no blame upon you [in returning her]. That is more suitable that they should be content and not grieve and that they should be satisfied with what you have given them - all of them. And Allah knows what is in your hearts. And ever is Allah Knowing and Forbearing."
Quran 33:51

Here Muhammad was told he could put off or put aside any of his wives at will. Is this dealing fairly and equally with a muslim's,wife as recommended by this:

[Quran 4:3 Yusufali ] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Why would God set a double standard for Muhammad and other muslims?

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The Kingdom Of God Had Been Taking Away From The Jews and handed over to the Christians.

Pilate asked Jesus, "So then you are a king?," and he responded, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my disciples would have been fighting" (John 18:36).
That is huge, because it says that we don't fight to establish God's kingdom. We do not take up arms.

Islam, however, as I understand it, believes that you can subdue people and make them do the Five Pillars.

The new Testament promotes what is good for man. It enjoins peace, gentility, love one for another and everything that makes life worth living. This is very true but why would God jettison all the good virtues and want us to change to a religion that is so harsh and causes terror and unrest of mind to the world? Let's think about this without biases.

[Quran 9:29] Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The true God does coerse and subdue unbelievers to establish his kingdom.

Quran 2:216: "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you".

How is fighting good for man?

[Quran 9:41Pickthal] Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.

Is that quranic statement from the God who said he doesn't fight to establish his kingdom?

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

The true God does not fight to establish his kingdom, he doesn't force anyone to believe him like Allah did through Muhammad. Today, like Muhammad, there are many jihadists around the world, shooting and bombing to establish islam.

Pray to God faithfully and listen to him speak to you and you shall know the truth and be free from satanic deception.

Islam has a lower moral and spiritual standard when compared to the standard of the Gospel. What the Gospel condemns, which are of spiritual virtues, the Quran embraces.

Again, going through the Quran you will discover that the Jews and the Christians appear to be allah's worst enemies. In fact Allah declared open enmity between Muslims and them.


Quran 5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors : They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.

The Christians had been very useful vessels God used in the New Testament. A lot of great and marvellous things were done through them, which would not be humanly possible without God supplying them power. When did they become God's enemies that he would tell Muslims not to be their friends. This alone shows Muhammad's Allah is not the same God who worked through the Christians.

Allah's hatred for the Jews and Christians is so much that anyone who recognized Jesus as Lord was qualified to be murdered. Jesus being the Lord was not a new development in Muhammad's time. It had been so about 650 years before Muhammad was born. With the belief that Jesus is Lord and the Son of God, the Disciples and the early Christians worked miracles with God's backing. How suddenly the same God would command the Muslims to behead them for calling Jesus the Son of.God? Muhammad's Allah surely is not the God who worked miracles through the Christians.and.cannot be the God of heaven as there are no two Gods.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in Jesus being Son of God (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').


When did the Christians whom God used to work miracles become the enemies of God?

Why would God try to replace Christianity being gentle and peaceful with islam being hostile and violent?

EazyMoh

Lol! The same argument you are using to discredit the foretold coming of Prophet Muhammad in the Bible is the same used to discredit the coming of Jesus and majority of the Jews then (and now) still don't consider Jesus the true Messiah. So why don't you worry about that.
Jews accepted Moses and rejected Jesus
Christians accepted Moses and Jesus but rejected Muhammad
Muslims accepted Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.
As the final prophet sent to the whole world to correct the misguidance and ignorance of mankind till the end of the world.
Whoever wishes among you shall believe, Indeed there is a day we will all be held responsible for our actions.
May the Almighty God in his infinite mercy guide us to the right path.
Peace

It is very difficult to believe Muhammad was sent as the final prophet to correct the misguidance and ignorance of mankind till the end of the world by the same God of Israel. Jesus didn't tell us so. If Muhammad were to come after Jesus, we would have been informed by Jesus.

Besides, the guidance and correction Muhammad brought were inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus. Jesus put an end to war and violence. That was a good and peaceful development, which reasonable person's would see as Godly virtues and good for mankind, but unfortunately, Muhammad came to turn the whole thing upside down by reintroducing war and violence, which had ceased for about 650 years. Why would God return the world to chaos? Why would God put an end to the teachings and miracles of Jesus and return us to islam that lacks the power of God, otherwise known as miracles? This should give reasonable and unbiased persons serious concern about the sender of Muhammad.

Again, Jesus said the Gospel was to be preached till the end of the world. This means Jesus has no hand in islam. Mathew 24:14 says and I quote "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Here Jesus said the Gospel is to be preached from his time till the end of the world. The question now is "who sent islam"? It could not have come from the God Jesus represents.

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EazyMoh:
Your question looks reasonable.
*Modified
lol the Christian Crusader Albhagdadi is already on the scene to answer a question directed to Muslims.
You never see him on Christian threads looking for answers like that article on FP about old and new covenant.
Anyway OP to answer your question, It is very simple before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophets were sent to a particular people or community.
So other prophet's that came after Ibrahim (As) but before Muhammad were sent to a particular people Isah (AS) inclusive. That is why he made it cle9ar that he was sent "ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel!"
You don't expect someone that made such a clear declaration to travel to Mecca and preach to pagan Arabs.
Throughout history of religions people corrupt the clear message God sent to mankind through his prophets. This was what happened to Moses people when he traveled and they started worshiping a golden calf. Exactly after Ibrahim and his followers were no more, with people corrupted and abandoned the true religion he put them on in Makkah, and the result was the Ka'aba shrine turning to idol worship and paganism center.
This is also the same situation after Jesus was gone, somebody now came and corrupted his teachings, bringing entirely new ideologies and practices of which Jesus never did/said/commanded and will definitely never approve of!
Due to nature and limitations of that time, different messengers (there are millions of them that God knows them, the people he sent them to and what happened to them) were sent by God to different people in different corners of the globe, they may not necessarily know or mention each other, but the bottom line is the message must be the same if it were truly from the same God! That message is simply to worship the ONE and ONLY through GOD, who creates and sustains everything and everyone.
It's inconsequential whether Jesus or Moses mentioned Abraham's stay in Makkah or whether he built the Ka'aba. As there is hardly any scientific proof Judaism, Christianity or Islam can provide to even prove that Abraham actually existed outside their respective holy books. These are stories one just has to accept based on faith, and if you don't believe them that's your choice.
I'd advice you rather concentrate on the message all of them preached. Aside today's version of Paul's Christianity which blasphemingly elevated Jesus to God/son of God status, basically revolve around the ten commandments.
Nowhere God ever mentioned to Moses or anyone before that he had a begotten son we would later sacrifice to save all the sinners

If Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel,.though not true as he later commanded his disciples to preach to all nations, why were prophets and Israelites before Jesus not going to Mecca?

God told Moses and he declared it to the Israelites that a prophet was coming in Deuteronomy 18:18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him".

Even though the Muslims interpret it to mean Muhammad, the truth is Muhammad was not a brother of the Jews whom Moses spoke to. The word "brethren" is the plural of "brother". The brother of the Jews must be a Jew. A brother is another male child from the same.mother. The Arabs and the Jews are not from the same mother, therefore Muhammad could not be a brother to the Jews.

alBHAGDADI:
...and so your Al taquiya self ran away cos you have no answer to give.


@OP

Muslims know the truth that the talk of Abraham building the Kaaba is nothing but a big lie, but they have no choice but to believe. They know that telling that lie will give their false religion some kind of credence cos Abraham was a friend of the Living God.

As you asked, if Abraham built the Kaaba, how come we can't find any record showing Israelites of old worshipping in it?

How come the prophets of the Bible didn't worship it not gave reference to it?

Why is that it is recorded that pagans were the ones worshipping there before Mohammad started his Islamic deception?

How come the Kaaba housed 365 idols with nothing to point to Abraham whom they claim built it?


It's simple. Islam is the re-branding and facelift that those pagan religions of mecca had. Mohammad simply rolled them up in one to form islam.

If Abraham truly built the Kaaba, do you think the Israelites would have allowed pagans to take over it? Do you think they won't have fought to recover it before Mohammad?

Yes, they would have fought to recover it just as they are fighting to remove the Al aqsa mosque from the Jewish Temple Mount today. And since there is no record showing that the children of Israel ever fought to reclaim the Kaaba, then it means they never saw it as anything belonging to Abraham the father of their faith.

I love the bolded.

During the time of Abraham, only Ishmael and Hagai his mother, were said to worship islamically in Kaaba, Mecca. Then, why is it that Abraham's wife, Serah and her children were not part of islamic worship, if Abraham built Kaaba?

We also discovered that other key Bible figures didn't take part in islamic worship in Mecca: Moses, Joshua and all prophets up to the time of Jesus. Jesus himself never mentioned Kaaba, he didn't tell anyone to go there for worship, yet they say Kaaba had been existing since the time of Abraham, built for all mankind.

When the Israelites were taken out of bondage in Egypt, led by Moses, God was directing them with his hands of miracles. As He was taking them to Canaan, God didn't mention Kaaba to them or told them he commanded Abraham to build Kaaba in Mecca. Where then did the story of Abraham building Kaaba emanate from?

If it was God who commanded Abraham to build Kaaba for all mankind, why would He exclude the Israelites and their prophets?

truthmans2012:
Where are my muslim friends na?

truthmans2012:
Christians And Muslims Beliefs Side By Side

Could the two contradicting beliefs come from the same God?

Which of these have Godly values?

Which of the two beliefs could have come from the true God of love?


DISPOSPOSITION TO UNBLIVERS:

[Quran 48:29] Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.....

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

LOVING OR HATING NEIGHBOURS:

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Hebrew 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.

RETALIATION OR NO RETALIATION

[Quran 16:126] And if you take your turn, then retaliate with the like of that with which you were afflicted; but if you are patient, it will certainly be best for those who are patient.

Matthew 5:38-45
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.

LOVE FOR WIFE:

Quran 4:34 ... As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly) ...

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

LOVE FOR HUMANITY OR MEMBERS OF SAME RELIGION:

Qur’an 3:31-32 —Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers .
Key statement: Allah does not love unbleivers.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Key statement: Jesus loves sinners to the extent that he.died for them.

The truth is that God in Jesus will never make those Quranic statements. His message is love for all.