₦airaland Forum

cenaman:
IPOB women no dey joke with money oo, the value money more than human life.

potent5:
Shakara don de end. No more noise about jet owners.

potent5:
Shakara don de end. No more noise about jet owners.

sogodihno:
Get ur bucket of tears ready, because we are taking it. Ntor!

Seun:
Please post links to the home page threads that should not have made the home page. I will personally investigate them and figure out what needs to change.

I’m waiting for the links, please.

seunmsg:
What point exactly are you trying to make? You think sidelining the Vice President is enough to give the schemers control over the party? Who even told you PDP will field a northern candidate when Wike is willing to contest in 2023? Go and write it down today, PDP will zone its ticket to the south and APC will do the same.

Any attempt to zone APC ticket to the north will lead to serious implosion in the party. APC cannot win the presidential election without the south west. PDP with any kind of candidate will easily defeat an APC without south west support. The real party leaders from all zones know this and won’t allow the party to go the way of 2015 PDP.

The idea that south east PDP is willing to support a northerner as the party candidate in 2023 is very funny. To what end if I may ask? If you guys truly want the presidency, 2023 offers a great chance to fight for it. Fight for what you want irrespective of what south west is doing. If the east refused to present serious candidates to contest for PDP ticket, nobody will take you serious again. In addition, you will have no ground to ask for concession in the future.

As far as the south west is concerned, we are going to battle for APC ticket. We’ve build enough coalition within the party that can secure us the ticket. We will not chicken out out of fear or openly declare for the north out of spite like some of you easterners are doing. If we fail to get the ticket, we will evaluate our position and make our decision based on pragmatism. We are fully prepared for whatever happens in 2023.

seunmsg:
There is no cause for alarm as far as I’m concerned. The schemings of some misguided and light weight political jobbers in the presudency doesn’t represent the wishes of the north. There are so many reasonable and patriotic northerners who are guided strictly by nationalistic ideals. 2023 is for the south to lose. If the south wants the presidency in 2023, the north cannot stop us.

isthatso:
You see that is your folly, There were many Yorubas in the SW that were fed up of Buhari. I did not vote for Buhari or Atiku. Your problem is that you are so driven by sentiment, in many cases hatred that common sense fails you and you end up shooting yourselves in the foot.

isthatso:
Ok 2023 will soon come. i warned your brothers that giving Peter Obi ticket was a mistake they said the same thing you are saying.

you dont waste your resources on someone who will never change his mind, you dont waste your resources on someone who will never vote for your opponent and you dont waste your resources on someone who will never vote for you ...THAT is the political definition of IRRELEVANT!

That SE/SS are strongly PDP is exactly why they are irrelevant, they wont determine the outcome. The zones that decide are North and SW because they are the ones who can vote for another party!!


do you understand how this thing works?

isthatso:
your problem you are speaking out of sentiment. it is the problem with a lot of your brothers. Either sentiment or failure of understanding. An irrelevant vote can be

1) a vote that is insignificant

or

2) a vote that will not change


In the case of the SE, the Se is irrelevant because Se will never vote for APC, they will always vote for PDP, so they are irrelevant to BOTH APC and PDP, you dont waste your resources on someone who will never change his mind, you dont waste your resources on someone who will never vote for your opponent and you dont waste your resources on someone who will never vote for you ...THAT in political definition of IRRELEVANT! and the mistake Atiku made in 2019. He had nothing to gain by courting the SE because they are always going to vote PDP. He wasted his VP slot on the SE. He even got less votes from Anambra in 2019 than PDp got in 2015.

The North and SW are the 2 most relevant zones in the Nigerian political equation because they are the only ones who change their votes.

isthatso:
SS is a neutral region, they can and will produce another president be fore the SE, if Nigeria still remains one country. The North also saw what happened with Jonathan. I am not God, I am just good at interpreting things without sentiment.
The SE have no support for the presidency outside the SE and they dont have the numbers. I would go as far as to say there is no region in Nigeria that the rest of the country is so opposed to seeing in the presidency like the SE. The SE don't know how to play politics. Even the SW that were tradionallly the worst group have learnt. They dont know how to lose gracefully without heating up the polity and stinking up the place which has not endeared them and done more damage than good to their cause, dont forget the SE also have legacy issues from the civil war and now they have antagonized the SW.

isthatso:
You have a choice to take on board what i have said or you can choose to be sentimental. I said it before the 2015 election that PDP will gain nothing by giving peter Obi the ticket but ibos lambasted me and i say it again.... In the current political equation, the Ibo vote is irrelevant. By that i mean an irrelevant vote is a vote that is fixed, a vote that doesnt change. No matter what APC does Ibos will not vote for APC, no matter what PDP does Ibos will vote for PDP, so the Ibo vote does not change the political election math, therefore it is an irrelevant block vote. There is no need to incentivize the Ibos because they will not change their voting pattern. That is the meaning of irrelevance. The Northern vote can be split and the yoruba vote can be split, so they are relevant and need to be incentivized. You dont pay for something that is already yours and you dont waste your money and energy trying to get something that you can never have, that is the irrelevance of the Ibo vote!!!

Anytime the Ibos have been on the winning side, the North has either been one and voted as a block (1999) or the SW also voted with the Ibos, 2003/2007,2011. Once the North is divided and it will be divided in 2023, a divided North cannot win an election partnering with Ibos without yoruba support. 2003, 2007, 2011 had a divided North but had southwest support thats why the Ibo supported party won, once the SW took away it's support in 2015 and 2019, it was impossible for the Ibo supported party to win. the most attractive bride in Nigerian politics now is SW. Like it or not, SW vote is the game changer because the North is divided and will be divided in 2023 because APC is either going to feild a Northern candidate or a SW candidate with Northern support in 2023, whatever the case they will have strong northern support even though they will lose the Buhari factor. You can take on board tor you can be sentimental. Dont say i did not tell you.

you are still living in pre-2011 politics, things have changed my brother, the Ibo vote is an irrelevant vote because it doesnt change anything. PDP wont win because they have it and APC wont lose because they dont have it. The battle ground in 2023 will be North and SW. they are the ones whose votes can change. Even SS is more important than the SE vote.

KidsNEXTdoor:
Sure... Northerners will vote Tinubu ... And Leave their son
South southerners will vote for him helping to truncate their second term bid
South westerners will vote for him for caging and holding the region ransom
South easterners will vote for him out of love and sabotaging the South

Tinubu will win overwhelmingly

sogodihno:
It is only a fool that still take 5% people serious, useless 5%, as if they matter

isthatso:
I dont think you understand, Nowhere have I said a SW will become president, Nowhere have I said I want a SW president or care if one becomes president, please read again. What I have said is that SE will NEVER produce a president of Nigeria. Because I talk about the SE does not mean I am pro SW. I am simply making my observations that the SE have become unelectable as president of this country.

seunmsg:
We supported Jonathan in 2011 because of the need to carry the minorities along and based on the agreement that he would serve for a single term. In 2015, Jonathan refused to honor the single term arrangement after serving for close to 6 years. We had no choice than to support the return of power to the north in respect of the rotational arrangement.

In 2023 southerners in APC will ensure the party’s ticket is zoned to the south. It is now left for those of you in PDP to do same. We also have lots of northerners who are in support of respecting the rotational arrangement. The north has not said they want to retain power. The only region trying to force the retention of power in the north out of spite is the south east and they shall be disgraced as usual.

IntrovertedK:
at least you've made it clear that you people are inconsequential and at the same time a coward who can only hide behind your northern masters to make your opinion known instead of coming out to face your perceived worst enemy and brawl it out. What we did in 2015 is known as 'strategizing for the future'. Even a dead rat would have won that m.o.ronic President Jonathan. The useless thing was a disgrace to intellects worldwide that the power all over the world was against hime. He was such a scum of a leader.

isthatso:
you are talking a lot of nonsense


1. Election is a numbers game. If you dont have the numbers you cant influence an election.

2. PVC has meant manufactured numbers have gone down, which is why manufactured votes from SS and SE have been going down in the last 2 elections.

3. The SE wasnt VP but it was a lesson to the north. The north have tradionally less trust for the SE than the SS. Dont forget the Igbo coup killed all theor traditional politicl leaders in balewa and Sardauna...they havent forgotten and will not forget.

4. Division in this country only happenned when the SE were removed from the corridors of power for the 1st time in the history of the country. Under every disposition The SE elite have always been beneficiaries even if they wernt in Power. They fuelled the division when they put all their eggs in PDP and lost.

3. There is not block vote which is why the SE vote is irrelevant and the SW is the real battle ground and has been since 2015, it's the only region where the voyers change their votes.

4. I dont care who becomes president, all I am saying is SE will not produce the president 100%

5. I have already said that things will be different in 2023 because the Buhari influence in the North will be diminished.

6. The North will NEVER sanction a SE president

6. i have no hopes, i am just giving you an unbiased analysis.

isthatso:
you are talking a lot of nonsense


1. Election is a numbers game. If you dont have the numbers you cant influence an election.

2. PVC has meant manufactured numbers have gone down, which is why manufactured votes from SS and SE have been going down in the last 2 elections.

3. The SE wasnt VP but it was a lesson to the north. The north have tradionally less trust for the SE than the SS. Dont forget the Igbo coup killed all theor traditional politicl leaders in balewa and Sardauna...they havent forgotten and will not forget.

4. Division in this country only happenned when the SE were removed from the corridors of power for the 1st time in the history of the country. Under every disposition The SE elite have always been beneficiaries even if they wernt in Power. They fuelled the division when they put all their eggs in PDP and lost.

3. There is not block vote which is why the SE vote is irrelevant and the SW is the real battle ground and has been since 2015, it's the only region where the voyers change their votes.

4. I dont care who becomes president, all I am saying is SE will not produce the president 100%

5. I have already said that things will be different in 2023 because the Buhari influence in the North will be diminished.

6. The North will NEVER sanction a SE president

6. i have no hopes, i am just giving you an unbiased analysis.

IntrovertedK:
lie lie. Fear of yorubas defeating you at the poll is the reason you will keep selling your birthright to your northern masters.

isthatso:
The SE is irrelevant politically. their votes are of no consequence because their votes do not determine the outcomes of national elctions. The only way to win an election is to split the northen vote and split the yoruba vote, that was Atiku's mistake. He chose a SE VP to win over the Se who were always going to vote for him anyway. If he had chosen a SW Vp he would have gotten more votes.

The SE votes are politically irrelevant because they will always vote for PDP, whether or not there is a SE person on the ticket and secondly they are the smallest voting block in terms of numbers.

IntrovertedK:
simple as abc. Apc will present yoruba. Their die hard/do or die for party should present one ibo jew buh thay are scared. They will rather sell it to their northern master because they know they've got nothing on yoruba.

LegendHero:
Bro let’s be factual and decode situation without a biased mind. Awolowo was a civilian and was in prison months before the Biafran war, remeber Gowon released him from prison.

How will Awolowo, who wasn’t even the premier of Western region or hold any political power than just an elder statesman declar war on behalf of the Yorubas?

He was not a military man, he does not have the necessary military background, Ojukwu was a propagandist who sold the notion that Awolowo will break out of Nigeria with him to his kinsmen to gain their support for the war. Just like he sold the lie that he will crush the federal troops in few months.

Ojukwu on the other hand was a military man, he had a reason for the war which one of them was the massacre of the Igbos in the Core North, he had justification for the war.

What could have been Awolowo justification for the war? Side with the Igbos that killed Akintola and other Yoruba leaders in a coup? Why should Awolowo go to war when the western region is the best region then and Nigeria is working by all standard? Why should he draft Yoruba into a massacre when he knew the Igbos drew the first sword. Don’t you even know the Igbos and the northerners are allies then and they run the country? Why should Awo intercede?

Like I said, the Igbos will always see situation from their own perspective while the Yoruba will see their from their own too. I can argue that Ojukwu in his mind knew Awo can’t join but he need someone to lay the blame on to convince his kinsmen. Remeber there is also some propagandist theory that Nzeogwu planned to install Awolowo as a president, but they do not deem it fit to release him from prison, only for the Northerner (Gowon) to come to his aid later on.

LegendHero:
Bro let’s be factual and decode situation without a biased mind. Awolowo was a civilian and was in prison months before the Biafran war, remeber Gowon released him from prison.

How will Awolowo, who wasn’t even the premier of Western region or hold any political power than just an elder statesman declar war on behalf of the Yorubas?

He was not a military man, he does not have the necessary military background, Ojukwu was a propagandist who sold the notion that Awolowo will break out of Nigeria with him to his kinsmen to gain their support for the war. Just like he sold the lie that he will crush the federal troops in few months.

Ojukwu on the other hand was a military man, he had a reason for the war which one of them was the massacre of the Igbos in the Core North, he had justification for the war.

What could have been Awolowo justification for the war? Side with the Igbos that killed Akintola and other Yoruba leaders in a coup? Why should Awolowo go to war when the western region is the best region then and Nigeria is working by all standard? Why should he draft Yoruba into a massacre when he knew the Igbos drew the first sword. Don’t you even know the Igbos and the northerners are allies then and they run the country? Why should Awo intercede?

Like I said, the Igbos will always see situation from their own perspective while the Yoruba will see their from their own too. I can argue that Ojukwu in his mind knew Awo can’t join but he need someone to lay the blame on to convince his kinsmen. Remeber there is also some propagandist theory that Nzeogwu planned to install Awolowo as a president, but they do not deem it fit to release him from prison, only for the Northerner (Gowon) to come to his aid later on.

Area4Area:
Who needs who most and would not leave the other's region even after they were issued an ultimatum to leave?

SamNaijaboy:
The malevolence is on the Igbo side unfortunately. You massacred other regions leaders and that led to a series of events that led to the pogrom against the Igbo in the NORTH. Not in the West despite the fact that you killed their premier.
If anyone is most responsible for the unitary state called Nigeria dominated by the Fulani, it would be another set of Igbo men: Nwabueze, Nnamdi Orizor, and Ironsi. Together they drafted and promulgated the decree that took away the powers of the regions.
What were they thinking?
Awo suggested the peaceful succession clause which somehow Zik did not support
Zik also declined to form a government with Awolowo, preferring the North when he had the chance for Southern solidarity.

So instead of fighting other people’s leaders, perhaps you are best served looking at your own leaders’ conduct and plans to subjugate others that failed.
Your problem should be with the Northerners but instead you always look at the Yorubas that kept your properties in Lagos and the associated rent and gave them to you back and find them to be the people to blame.
Blaming Not the SS with the abandoned houses saga, but the Yorubas.

The mid-west that your Biafran soldiers raped their women and murdered their men in the guise of liberation from Nigeria is there. None of your leaders has thought it fit to apologize for the atrocities Ojukwu’s soldiers visited on the MidWest in that massacre but your N.Kanu idiotically includes their territory in his phantom Biafra.
Adama Boro fought to the death than to go with your Biafra.

I think you should go somewhere with your hyperventilating victim mentality that is so prevalent with your people; and should you find that no one likes you in the country, I suggest you look at the mirror first.

Make friends with your neighbors that can’t stand you first before you cross several states to point fingers at the Yorubas who have never attacked you but was attacked by your megalomaniac Ojukwu in his war against the North. Does Lagos sound like Kano or Kaduna?

SamNaijaboy:
What makes you think Yoruba people care about Igbo leaving Nigeria?
As long as you go with only your 5 landlocked states alone and don’t try to annex SS to your Biafra dream.
But N.Kanu already calculates most of the SS as Biafraland . The people say dem no Dey come with una.

Btw, not talking about bragging. Just way of life and attempts to control others or behave when in their land

T9ksy:
Oh, so that was what you guys expected of Awo but he turned the tables on your slimy leaders hence the perpetual hatred

from you guys.You brought your d.u,.mb war to his land and expect him to stand akimbo as his people are being killed as collateral damages in

your marital woes with your former bedmate.

SamNaijaboy:
Zoning is North and South, Chairman.
Nobody will zone the presidency to your village.
You will have to man up and fight for it like all men do when they want something important.
The PDP was the only truly national party then. Olu Falae’s AD was never quite of National spread.
Even when Obasanjo contested in PDP, Ekwueme and Alabo Douglas contested against him. So the so called zoning was not to the SW, it was to the South.

SamNaijaboy:
Zoning is North and South, Chairman.
Nobody will zone the presidency to your village.
You will have to man up and fight for it like all men do when they want something important.
The PDP was the only truly national party then. Olu Falae’s AD was never quite of National spread.
Even when Obasanjo contested in PDP, Ekwueme and Alabo Douglas contested against him. So the so called zoning was not to the SW, it was to the South.lol who this one wan deceive with this nonsense? The same southern part of the country that left a fellow Southerner to support a Northerner a Fulanni? Do you think the North would have done this same in 2015? Na una cause am 2023 will teach you lots a lesson rather than vote a Westerner the other part will vote in another Northerner maybe Fulanni sef. You will now know that 2015 was a mumu action of you lots ,if you think a Northerner will vote a Southerner over a Northerner think again! E go shock una. You people started it. The whole South will suffer it in 2023.

Wickedfacts:
Direct your stupidity to your elders at home.