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Arjeeni:
See how Christians are struggling to to right the wrong that was very clear.
From this verse of Bible the following are true about christ.
- Jesus can never be God nor son of God
- He has no knowledge of unseen and limited knowledge about seen
- He was not a unique to other human beings save prophethood and mode of his birth.
- Many of this kind heresy were blatant lies and Christians can not do anything about it other than seize to be Christians.
- Further effect of covering the truth by Christians will open another mess that they can never have a solution for.
- Don't call me names I am just telling the truth.

Arjeeni:
See how Christians are struggling to to right the wrong that was very clear.
From this verse of Bible the following are true about christ.
- Jesus can never be God nor son of God
- He has no knowledge of unseen and limited knowledge about seen
- He was not a unique to other human beings save prophethood and mode of his birth.
- Many of this kind heresy were blatant lies and Christians can not do anything about it other than seize to be Christians.
- Further effect of covering the truth by Christians will open another mess that they can never have a solution for.
- Don't call me names I am just telling the truth.

aminusanti:
in what you are about to read if there is any verse/quote that u disagree with you can highlight it and i will provide my proofs for the claims.

MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of ►Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

►Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "[color]

►John chapter 14 verse 16:
[color=#990000] "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

►Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

►Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realize that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

►Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

►Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned (quran)".

THE QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD AND AN UNDENIABLE PROOF FOR MUHAMMAD’S PROPHETHOOD

►[i]The Quran is completely different from all the other books in the world

►The Quran, which he brought, has challenged all mankind with all their literary geniuses and scientists, from the first day of its revelation to the Last Day, to produce a like of it or even a single chapter of it

►The Quran was revealed in 23 years, yet there are not any contradictory points in it

►The Qur’an is beyond compare from the viewpoint of its styles and eloquence

►Prophet Muhammad was unlettered and no one had heard him say even a couple of poetry. However, the Quran also challenged the known experts in poetry and oratory and forced them to surrender

►Despite its apparent simplicity, the Quran has such depths of meaning that everyone from the commonest of people to the most high-ranking scholar, scientist and literary man, finds his share in it

►The Quran describes man with all his physical and spiritual aspects and contains principles to solve all the problems that may appear at any time and in any place concerning all the social, economic, juridical, political and administrative fields of life. Furthermore, it satisfies both the mind and spirit at the same time and guarantees happiness in both worlds.

►The Quran unveils the mystery of man, creation and the universe

►Even though revealed in parts on certain occasions, the Qur’an is equally universal and objective where it deals with particular issues as it is exact and precise where it deals with universal matters

►The Qur’an contains at least the principles of all the branches of knowledge either in summary or detail and not even a single piece of the knowledge it contains has ever been contradicted.

►“As time passes, the Qur’an grows ever younger.”

►The Qur’an addresses and legislates for all in all times

►If Prophet Muhammad had written the Qur’an by himself, he should never have mentioned some incidents concerning him.

►There are answers to many such questions in the Quran that one who does not have an all-encompassing knowledge could not have answered them.

►To claim that Muhammad-God forbid such a thought!- invented the Quran means that Muhammad, who was known as Muhammad the Trustworthy, was-we beg forgiveness for having to narrate such a false claim-the greatest liar and cheat history has ever known.

aminusanti:
sorry for my late reply been very bz lately.

yes i can prove it. do u need the proofs? it will
be a topic on its own.


i didn't say the promises of God in the Bible can be changed. i said promises and prophecies that Allah has made in His revelations could never be changed and they always as occur as He stated in the Bible but the text were badly altered which you people can't deny it too.

"Ibn Kathir states in his commentary on Surah 5:15:
Now has come to you Our Messenger explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over much.) So the Prophet explained where they altered, distorted, changed and lied about Allah. He also ignored much of what they changed, since it would not bring about any benefit if it was explained". (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Source)

Allah has made a promise that the Qur'an would be preserved for us (Surah 15:9). A unique claim not made for any other scripture.
and it is undeniable that Quran today is preserved, free from errors, corruption and alteration unlike other scriptures, there is only one Qur'an wherever u go and the text is the same unlike Bible. Yhe Quran confirmed that bible is corrupt.

Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)

>Qur'an 2:140 They "Conceal a testimony they have from Allah."

>Qur'an 3:79 The Jews "teach the book and read it themselves."

>Qur'an 3:187 The Jews "cast it (Allah's book) "behind their backs"

>Qur'an 4:46 The Jews "alter the words from their places" and "distort the book with their tongues."

>Qur'an 5:13 The Jews "altered the words from their places" and "forgot a good part of the message."

>Qur'an 5:15 The Jews "concealed that which Muhammad had made clear" and Muhammad made clear much which they had "passed over" (in their book)

>Qur'an 5:41 The Jews "alter the words from their places."


Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him was *also* using it as his evidence against the Jews. Yes there were many addition and deletion in the scriptures, they were corrupted, but despite their corruption, they still contained enough truth in them to lead any person to Islam. Thus, had the Jews/ christians followed their own book, they would have had no other choice but to become Muslims because their book still contained enough truth therein to lead a person to Islam.

"The Torah, the Old Testament, and the Gospel, the New testament, still contain some truth and guidance that can be evidence against Jews and Christians. If they implemented their laws, Jews and Christians would believe in the Prophet Muhammad's message, confirming what was sent before him, and thus would follow the guidance and light. Muhammad was sent down with clear evidence to his truthfulness and he followed the path of the Prophets before him, who were sent to the Jews and the Christians."


that's according to your own understanding and interpretation but the real context is Without knowing that the Noble Qur'an claims that the scriptures before it were corrupted by men(2:77-78), you can easily come to the conclusion that the Noble Qur'an confirms the Bible.

However, the Qur’an talks about the True scriptures He has sent to the prophets before Muhammad(pbuh), not the corrupted Bible.



those hadiths are weak and unauthentic
- The narration n your claims no way questions Qur’an infallibility:
Even if the narration/ claims were authentic it no way questions the claim of Qur’an being totally preserved and here are my evidences for this;
1- Generally when a verse was revealed it was written down not by one or two companions but at least seven or more then that. If a goat had eaten a verse of Quran there might had been other copies of similar verses at that time.

2- Many Prophets memorize the whole Quran even before its compilation. If such verse was revealed many have knew and memorize the verse

Allah has made a promise that the Qur'an would be preserved for us (Surah 15:9). A unique claim not made for any other scripture.
and it is undeniable that Quran today is preserved, free from errors, corruption and alteration unlike other scriptures, there is only one Qur'an wherever u go and the text is the same unlike Bible. Yhe Quran confirmed that bible is corrupt.

Cessa0:
so u left all the troubles of the world. ... it's the Quran u nw saw to criticize ba?

Uve nt finished reading ur bible ohh. .. jst for d sake of creating a thread.. u came here to say nonsense.

Nw to the topic,

the holy books.. (The Qur'an nd Bible).. cnt jst b read by anyone. . these books if nt properly translated nd explained.. cn easily be misunderstood. just like u read t nd concluded on what d verses wer talkn abt... A Muslim cn also read d bible md make crazy conclusions. . bcoz they dnt bliv in t! do u get it?

u dnt jst start making assumptions like that.. pick ur bible nd read! leave the Muslims alone! u came to luk for trouble with ds thread u created.. if they com after u, everyone will say they're violent. . they're dis.. they're dt.. they no near u nw oh.


PRINCESSA

junaidinho:
Who told you that I am a Muslim you just assume what you don't know

junaidinho:
Who told you that I am a Muslim you just assume what you don't know

ollah1:
How and where were you forced into Islam?

junaidinho:
Ok Israel is not a Christian country but your god is looking at Israel while they kill people in Aleppo

ollah1:
Christianity has failed more

If Your god supports slavery, bombing, beheading, marrying of teenagers, discrimination and genocide: Just look into your holy book. If there are pages where these things are supported then your god is actually a psychopath and if you eventually see it, take it to a psychiatric hospital.

aminusanti:
Sorry for my lateness sir, just got chance.

Without any doubt the Bible Is true revelation of God Almighty but in it original form

Now what does the Quran mean when it says Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon all of them) all got their individual books? The Quran means that these books were revealed to their messengers in their original form (probably meaning as an oral message). So these books were given to the four messengers of Allah, directly by a revelation from Allah. After these messengers received these revelations, some messengers like Abraham, Moses and David wrote these revelations down and others didn’t like Jesus. After Abraham, Moses and David died, the book of Abraham was lost, The Torah of Moses was corrupted and badly edited as time went on and most of the Psalms of David were written by unknown writers. As for the Gospel, well as soon as Jesus left the earth—the New Testament was badly corrupted by unreliable oral traditions, growing legends, fictional forms and cheats and frauds who were pretending to be apostles of the original church (like Paul of Tarsus).

Anyone could simply pick up a Qur'an and grab a pen and scribble out words and add his own, however that doesn't mean that one is refuting the idea that none can change the words of Allah. Rather, changing the words of Allah in the passage means that one cannot change what He has promised would occur.

One could easily change and distort texts by picking up a book and a pen, but they could not change the original true texts and revelations which is with Allah on al-Lawh al-Mahfudh (preserved tablet) since the speech of Allah is uncreated and no one can ever make it go lost completely. Removing the words from the books here on earth does not mean that God's words have become totally lost but lost here on earth only.

Very wrong !

It's saying have respect for Jews and Christians (People of the Book) because God revealed true religion to them. Over the years though those revelations were mistranslated, corrupted, or abused for personal gain. When God made Muhammad the Seal of the Prophets and the last of the Messengers, He basically says, "OK, this is it. Last chance."



Refer to the replies above


Ok I will sir but I have this question for u
Do you believe Quran to be word of God?

aminusanti:
Can't stop laughing really! Lol.. that's why you people hardly see the truth, I swear almost all those verses you quoted them wrong..just look at how you ignorantly remove those verses out of there context...my guy you don't study scriptures like this, some verses are straight forward but some u need explanation.. can I explain it to you now or my explanation wont help?

aminusanti:
Can't stop laughing really! Lol.. that's why you people hardly see the truth, I swear almost all those verses you quoted them wrong..just look at how you ignorantly remove those verses out of there context...my guy you don't study scriptures like this, some verses are straight forward but some u need explanation.. can I explain it to you now or my explanation wont help?

aminusanti:
What Does the Quran say about the Bible: Corrupted or Uncorrupted, Valid or Invalid

The Quran says that the current Torah, Psalms and Gospel (the New Testament) have been badly corrupted. Numerous passages of the Quran refer to man’s distortion and alterations of the previous books of revelations from Allah. These passages in the Quran note that the received books by the People of the Book, The Jews and the Christians, do not conform to the original revelations that were given to Moses, David and Jesus.


Or do they envy mankind for what Allah hath given them of his bounty? but We had already given the people of Abraham the Book and Wisdom, and conferred upon them a great kingdom. (Quran 4:54)

….and to David We gave the Psalms (Quran 4:163)

And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. (Quran 5:46)


Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)

Seek Knowledge from d Quran and ask questions that my only advice to u.

Ahmadgani:
stop deceiving yourself.. its pathetic how you so much believed in the apostle Paul doctored book

Ahmadgani:
Christianity started from Antioch. I.e after jesus Christ. but what baffles is seeing Christians quoting from old testament. if you believe that Christianity came before Islam and as a xtrian you believe in the old testament, then explain this.

1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel said to Saul, “I am
the one the Lord sent to anoint you king
over his people, over Israel; so listen now
to the message from the Lord.
15:2 This is what the Almighty Lord says:
‘I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way,
when he came up from Egypt.
15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and
utterly destroy everything that belongs to
them. Do not spare them; put to death
men and women, children and infants ,
cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”


Isaiah 13:16
Their children also shall be dashed to
pieces before their eyes; their houses
shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all nations against
Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be
taken, and the houses rifled, and the
women ravished; and half of the city shall
go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the
city.

APCsupporter:
What can you say about the thousands of lies and contradictions in the buy-bulll? The violence it contains?

APCsupporter:
Anybody that takes a bible and read it for 20 minutes will agree with me that its fake and childish. Laughter almost killed me the day I opened that novel