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Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Clementor(m): 7:22am On Oct 10, 2016 |
Arjeeni:what truth are talking about? Even quran make references to the Holy Bible. If you are confuse come and met the readers of the scripture. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Clementor(m): 7:24am On Oct 10, 2016 |
Arjeeni:what truth are talking about? Even quran make references to the Holy Bible. If you are confuse come and met the readers of the scripture. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by kristian98(m): 7:29am On Oct 10, 2016 |
deeabdul:its only when you don't fully understand the bible that u make this king of statement. In the book of genesis when God said, "let us create man in our own image and likeness" he knew what he meant by saying "US". That means they were more than one person. Since God is the creator and master of all languages, he wouldnt make such a blunder pls! |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Terye(m): 8:20am On Oct 10, 2016 |
danosky91:I never said my prophet was God or Son of God.. He was a man! I wouldn't have had any problem with you if u agree that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was a man.. But to say he was God and yet, he felt hunger to the point of getting angry and cursing is not only nonsensical and illogical, but also irrational.. Your kind of reasoning is what arises when one believe in faith solely, without any deductive reasoning.. (no offense) 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Terye(m): 8:45am On Oct 10, 2016 |
kristian98:According to ur understanding.. But your pastor forgot to tell you that the bible was originally in Hebrew (even though Jesus Christ never spoke Hebrew), even in the Quran, Allah used We, that doesn't mean plural but exaltation.. Yes! God is the master of all languages.. That was why he revealed the gospel to Jesus Christ who spoke Aramaic.. Buh the oldest manuscript of the bible is in Hebrew.. This tells u that even Jesus didn't get to see or read it in his life time.. This explain why we have different narratives of the gospel.. I.e according to John, according to Matthew etc.. Reason we have so many interpretations resulting in hundreds of versions of bible.. Peace be unto you to ultimate meaning of peace.. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by chinnyness122(f): 9:48am On Oct 10, 2016 |
Rjasan: may be u should read it again with goodnews Bible |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by chinnyness122(f): 10:07am On Oct 10, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: this, i think, I am understanding. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Emitrix42(m): 10:16am On Oct 10, 2016 |
mmsen: mmsen: mmsen: I have read it and i can oppse you, jesus never pushed the boy, he was wrongly accused by the boys parents it was the boy's playmate that pushed him and as tge parents of the boy were accusing jesus he jumped from the window and touched the boy telling him that he should arise and tell his parents that he was'nt the one that pushed and it happened. So stop spreading nonsense and keep your mouth shut! Orait!! |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by PastorAIO: 11:08am On Oct 10, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: Nothing like a robust challenge to get a 'christian' all butt hurt. Lol Read the excerpt below, if you really are a firm believer in logic and reason Ah! Logic and Reason. Let's discuss Logic and Reason. Logic is based on the bedrock of Mutual Exclusivity, yes or no? The very foundations/backbone of logic is based on the belief that there are certain events that are mutually exclusive, ie They cannot both occur at the same time. For example, Light and Darkness are mutually exclusive. If the room is getting Dark it cannot be getting Light at the same time. Agreed? If I am getting taller then I cannot be getting shorter at the same time. Agreed? So anyone who flouts this rule of mutual exclusivity cannot be said to be a logical person. If it is a bright sunny day and MuttleyLaff insists on using a torch to see better in the dark, then Muttleylaff is not a logical person. Or at least, he is not being logical in that instance. Agreed? Now I've seen your monicker around on NL for a few years now so I presume that you are an old timer, but I don't know how old. The thing is, many of these issues have been thrashed out on NL over the years and so if a newbie turns up and things he is delivering some fresh knowledge to the forum he may well find that he is mistaken and his information is actually very old information. Please go and read this thread and then come back. You may be humbled a bit to find that this thing that you're parading as a newsflash has already been thorough rinsed on this forum: https://www.nairaland.com/212658/christians-please-interpret-exposit-explain https://www.nairaland.com/212658/christians-please-interpret-exposit-explain#3283078 I am sorry but I learned nothing new from this, as I already know all this and had on this thread, in previous posts, insinuated themWhy are you guys always on this intellectual trip, always competing to prove who knows what more than who? Or who knew what first? Very spiritually deficient. I'll address your taqsh excuse in my next post. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by PastorAIO: 12:00pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: Let us look at Mark logically: 12On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. 13And seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14And he said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it. You and your gurus FF Bruce and co have sought to make a distinction in the fruits of the fig tree between the main Figs and the Taqsh hoping that that will gloss over what is glaring and staring you in your face. It is just a matter of simple English comprehension. Mark gave the reason why there was nothing but leaves on the Tree. "For it was not the season for figs". Evoking Taqsh does not change this. Unless you want to say that the writer of Mark did not know anything about Taqsh. Even the taqsh has it's seasons and it is not true that because there is no taqsh then there will certainly be no real figs later in the year. But put that aside for now. Like I Said before (with sarcasm): PastorAIO: Remember that I said, and I truly hope you agree, that Logic is based on mutual exclusivity. A tree cannot be in season and out of season at the same time. Taqsh may not be the plushest fruit that the fig tree produces but it is still a fruit of the Fig tree produced in due season. When I read FF Bruce and people like that what I see is an apologist exercising his imagination as hard as possible wherever he feels there may be gaps in a narrative. But his imagination stops at taqsh, conveniently. He doesn't consider the possibility that the tree may have produced taqsh and other people could have gotten there before Jesus and eaten all the taqsh, so the tree was actually still good productive. As a kid I was lucky enough to grow up in a nigeria where people's compounds were open and you could just stroll in and climb their trees looking for fruit. Sometimes you can spy a succulent fruit for weeks as it slowly matures, and you bide your time. If other kids don't get to the good fruits first you still have to contend with insects, birds, and all kinds of maggots and things that may eat the fruit before you get there. In other words, finding no fruit on a tree does not mean that a tree is unfruitful. So maybe by that late stage of the season it is hard to find taqsh on any tree. So for all the inventive imagination , we can't get away from the fact that Mark put it directly in plain language that you can only miss if you have English comprehension deficiency disorder (ECDD). There was no fruit because it was NOT the season for the fruit. Then .. There is the use of the word 'again' in the passage. 14And he said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it. Again? So therefore people have been eating fruit from the tree before. So it was not a barren tree. Again [size=4pt](clever pun?)[/size], unless you have ECDD. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Memyselfu2009(m): 12:15pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
ndPeter: This same person feed up to five thousand people with 2 fish and five bread. The bible writer was trying to let you know that when Jesus was on earth he was a man like you and he felt what humans are going thru. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by udatso: 12:20pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
Lol WORDWORLD rilwayne001 Demmzy15 please come and read and lol. |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Nobody: 12:31pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
udatso: LIES BEGETS LIES AND MORE LIES SOME EVENTUALLY MOVE FROM GOD BECAME MAN TO ANOTHER LIE THAT GOD DOESNT EXIST. CHRISTIANITY IS THAT ROOT OF ALL INSANITY. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by PastorAIO: 12:40pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
ndPeter: lol. Man shall not live by bread alone na. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by danosky91(m): 5:41pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
Terye:k |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Kobojunkie: 5:19am On Dec 17, 2022 |
PastorAIO:1. Why in the world is the writer of the Gospel according to Mark a nasty racist for writing that which even the writer of the Gospel according to Matthew - Matthew 21 vs 18 - 20? The author of the Gospel according to Luke also included a parable about a fig tree that was cut down for not bearing fruit. Is that equally racist in your view - Luke 13 vs 6 - 9 ? 2. The link to Israel, Judah, and the vine and fig tree is not in question. The accounts in Mark 11 vs 12 - 14 & Matthew 21 vs 18 - 20 weren't recorded as a parable but as actual happenings. And in Luke 13 vs 1 - 9, Jesus Christ outright declared to the people of the Nation of Judea that if they do not repent, they would all be destroyed --- the Nation of Israel had already faced God's judgment long before this particular point in time. 3. There is a lot more to this than mere symbolism as you continue to insist. First, Jesus Christ wasn't responsible for the cursing of Israel or Judea -- He instead served as a messenger in this in much the same way as the other prophets before Him. Yes, he cursed the actual fig tree — a symbolic act to illustrate the impending fate of the city or Jerusalem — but the one who in fact cursed the city was God and this message came through the prophets even Jesus Christ. Daniel is one of them. Second, Jesus Christ did not discredit Judaism and the Jewish people(Nation of Judea) by His warning to them. Judaism was never of God from its beginning — God gave the people of Israel a National Constitution in the Land of Canaan, but they chose to worship Idols in the form of Judaism. Suggesting Jesus Christ discredited it as part of God's plan is to suggest it had God's respect in the first place — It never had that since it was idolatrous from its beginning. Third, God Himself railed against the people of Judah for this very thing in Jeremiah 8 vs 1 - 22; Jesus Christ knew this well. Fourth, the Jewish people had turned to worship idols and lies, which was against God, and God warned them of destruction to come if they continued along that path. Israel had received similar warnings from God right before God scattered the people to all four corners of the earth. So, the background to all of this is much more than symbolism. 4. This just makes no sense. I am not even a fan of Paul and the religion that men have chosen to build around his person but why in the world is he to blame for the destruction of Jerusalem, and eventually the downfall of the Nation of Judea which began in the first century? |
Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by Kobojunkie: 5:47am On Dec 17, 2022 |
chinnyness122:The cursing of the fig tree by Jesus Christ was symbolic of the eventual destruction that awaited the Nation of Judea if they refused to turn away from their sins. If you have ever read through the books of the Prophets, you will note that God used symbolism to demonstrate what would happen if they refused to repent of their wicked ways. God used this method of communication through His many prophets. Examples of such acts are recorded in the books of Ezekiel, Hosea, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. Now, it is important to note that by performing these acts, the prophets themselves are in no way responsible for the doom to come. Instead, they are messengers conveying God's message to the people. So Jesus Christ did when He cursed the fig tree; He conveyed God's warning to the people of Judea which was that God's judgment was almost upon them. God had previously warned the people of the Nation of Judah to repent or suffer destruction - Jeremiah 8 vs 1- 22 & Daniel 11. Jesus Christ's act, along with His several warnings - Matthew 24 & Mark 13 & Luke 13 vs 1- 9 were all warnings meant for the Nation of Judah. |
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