https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bxsQA-mqsI&pp=ygUcbWV0aG9kaXN0IHNhbWUgc2V4IG1hcnJpYWdlIA%3D%3D


tHIS ONE NA METHODIST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlIWF21HiPE&pp=ygUcbWV0aG9kaXN0IHNhbWUgc2V4IG1hcnJpYWdlIA%3D%3D
see them, the so called Christians. 2 years ago they were all against same sex marraige, now they are all in favour of it, but they will accuse Jehovahs Witnesses of changing. Same sex marraige is a No-NO in any JW kingdom hall. EVERYWHERE ON THIS PLANET

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigZiqJND4k&pp=ygUbY2F0aG9saWMgc2FtZSBzZXggbWFycmlhZ2Ug

The so called Christians

Courz:


Why are you wasting your time posting Catholic issues? Do I look like a Catholic to you? Mumu.

But you are taught by the Governing body that you must obey even though what they tell you doesn't make sense. Obey so that Jehovah will be happy with you. Why will you leave JW just because of Blood? Obey them so that you can have everlasting life okay.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No be you and your friend bring catholic into the matter, some one even said if any onne oppose catholic. the person no be christian. Stop being stupid my friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy3KbxSft7Q&pp=ygUbY2F0aG9saWMgc2FtZSBzZXggbWFycmlhZ2Ug
Hahahahahahahahahahaha So christian

Courz:


Cocoduck, your doctrines are changing but the Bible isn't. Why? Who has been feeding your Governing body rotten food all these years for them to keep changing them? Remember they say they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit meaning no inspiration at all. Therefore, they will keep guessing doctrines for you that will turn out to be errors. Why can't they humbly ask God to send his Holy Spirit to help them so that they can get things right once and for all. If God is really with them, he will not send to them errors to teach you. He will send them what is correct once and for all. This proves that God and Jesus are not with your Governing body. They are Apostates too stubborn to ask God for inspiration. They would rather depend on themselves. Now, they are changing doctrines again. Dem Curse Una? Why? Is Jehovah really with you people? Look at how they are disgracing you JWs.

Those who live in very thin glass houses do not throw stones, especaialy at those who live in brick houses


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xpUd2cSq6o

Courz:


But you are taught by the Governing body that you must obey even though what they tell you doesn't make sense. Obey so that Jehovah will be happy with you. Why will you leave JW just because of Blood? Obey them so that you can have everlasting life okay.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Those who live in very thin glass houses do not throw stones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xpUd2cSq6o

So christian

Courz:
Just look at the Governing body making a mockery of Jehovah's Witnesses with all these changes. Very sad.

Those who live in very thin glass houses do not throw stones, especaialy at those who live in brick houses


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xpUd2cSq6o

achorladey:


His app peddling brains can't process that.

You who can not even answer a simple question.

Courz:
Cocoduck, If the Governing body come out and say you JWs are free to take Blood, what will you do? These kind of changes are coming o. Prepare yourself. Will you obey your Governing body? You Jehovah's Witnesses became Apostates since the time of Rutherford till today. Your doctrines will continue to change. Get ready. This one they just announced is just the tip of the iceberg. Una never see anything.

Then I will stop being a JW because the Bible clearly spells it out. ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD

Courz:


You don't follow the Bible because your doctrines keep changing. Where are you getting this changing doctrines from? Who has been feeding you your old doctrines, Satan or Jehovah? Why are your Governing body changing more doctrines again? Where are they taking you JWs to?

Understanding will change because we are imperfect humans. That is why the a Christian must study the Bible, because each time you do, you learn new things. We never claim to know everything in the Bible. But in this case, nothing was changed

Courz:
Cocoduck , you are an Apostate. As long as your doctrines keep changing with New Light, You are an Apostate. Watchtower lied to you. You can see now that they are changing some of your doctrines showing you that they have been teaching you Lies!

I follow the Bible strictly, and you do not. And you hate the people, like me who follow the Bible stritcly. For people like you, the Bible means nothing

achorladey:


His app peddling brains are indeed malfunctioning

When person tell you Catholics are not Christians but they are false Christians

The same Catholic church that at one time banned the Bible. even burning people at stake for having Bible in their homes. The Caths even participated in the TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE. So Christian

Courz:
This cocoduck doesn't even know how to argue. Cocoduck, according to the dictionary, an apostate is one who abandons a belief for another. Going by that definition, you Jehovah's Witnesses are Apostates. The beliefs you had during the time of Russell are not what you have now. You Jehovah's Witnesses are actually Apostates of Seventh Day Adventist and the Catholic church. You are also Apostates of Charles Taze Russell. Now, your Governing body is bringing about changes in beliefs and you Jehovah's Witnesses are going along with them thereby making you all Apostates.

I have been waiting for you!
Bowing down to statutes, beliving in Trinity, using icons to pray, hell fire, purgatory, Limbo, celibacy, wearing of special clothing by high officails of the church, blessing wars, were people of the same faith kill one another, and many more. JWs simply went back to what the Bible really says. People like you will try to kill Jesus the second time if you can lay your filthy hand on him today. What Jesus preached is totally different from wht you people believe today. The people who strictly practce what Jesus preached, you call them names. I wonder what you will do to Jesus himself?

oteneaaron:


Stop trying to be half wise.

You didn't answer my questions.

In case you're not sure of the questions, here they are again.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

Shut up! You said catholic, I have listed what catholics do and asked a question. You do not want to answer. Na you bring Catholic inside the matter. I watch Christian Prince argue with muzzies, even if I have nothing to learn from CP when it come to Christianity, but I learn from his tactics against muzzies, and I use it on the so called Christians. You brought Catholic into the discussion, why are you running? What ever you say I will use it against You Just like CP

oteneaaron:


Stop trying to deflect.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

I ask you AGAIN -

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

I asked you a question after answering yours, so read it again, this time slowly

oteneaaron:


I don't need all these long stories.

Stop trying to deflect.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

I ask you AGAIN -

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

Iaske you a question after answering yours, so read it again, this time slowly

oteneaaron:


Hahahahahaha

You brought up the topic first.

But anyway, here is how my dictionary defines APOSTASY -



Based on this definition, we could confidently say that Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates of the Catholic Church.

So, I ask you again.

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing Body who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

BTW The catholic church has what is called the vatican. What happens in the Vatican? Last I checked it is the governing body of the catholic Churches.

oteneaaron:


Hahahahahaha

You brought up the topic first.

But anyway, here is how my dictionary defines APOSTASY -



Based on this definition, we could confidently say that Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates of the Catholic Church.

So, I ask you again.

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing Body who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

Catholism is not Christianity. Everyone knows that. One good example is celibacy, your pope and preists, reverends, bishop etc all wear special cloths, which is in contravention with the Bible. You people belive hell fire, purgatory, limbo, taking up of arms a killing people aka war, bow down to statutes, use icons and images , chapelets, beieve in trinity. These things mentioned are not Biblical, heck! even same sex marriages are now allowed by the catholic churches. The Bible condemns them outrightly. So who is the apostate here? The one that says, we must stricly follow the Bible or the one that says otherwise

achorladey:


Jumping from pillar to post. Now the question is the correctness of governing body . Answer apostacy question first. We will get to governing body later.

That is why I said it earlier it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be stupid. You yourself mentioned apostacy to governing body. Right or wrong? I can see the wall right behind you

oteneaaron:


You tell me.

No You tell me!

Your problem is the phrase governing body. Is a governing body of Christians Biblical? YES OR NO!

oteneaaron:


"Actively Promotes Apostasy" to whom?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

or

Apostasy to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

These are very two different forms of apostasy.

Be specific.

Or are you indirectly implying that Christ = the Governing Body?

That would be BLASPHEMY!!

What is the meaning of apostacy?

achorladey:



I would have given you a befitting response but you are too in a rush to type your response based on Courz thread. Take a deep breath and articulate your points well. Nairaland forun is not coming to an end today None of us carry cane for hand to flog you. We are ready to dissect your point wether valid or invalid

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrhm, What are you talking about?

oteneaaron:


Be a man and say what's on your mind.

I know you're not man enough to oppose the Governing Body even when what they say makes no sense - but don't be a coward.

Your LIES have exposed your stupidity.

What is this one Yapping about?

achorladey:


Common denominator of Jehovah's Witnesses here on this platform. Once you are caught in your web of lies and manipulations you go the way of insult to hide your heads

The answer was clearly there, and BTW You haerd him say ATIVELY PROMOTES APOSTACY AND WRONG DOIND! But you chose to ask stupid questions. What if I told you that your brain is an App, may be you will put it to use.

oteneaaron:


Just like manybother Jehovah's Witnesses on Nairaland, you are a BIG LIAR.

If you really watched the video as you claimed, how does the scripture that Mark Sanderson quoted apply in this case?



The people who you disfellowship and shun did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

The people who you disfellowship and shun for opposing your beloved Governing Body, did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

Do you see how hypocritical your religion has made you become?

Stop spreading LIES.

People are much wiser now.

They see your religion for what it really is - a dangerous high control cult.

I would like to call you stupid, but i will let that fly. I won't reply you, because it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be.

Lie number 1.
The Governing body has decided that Jehovah's Witnesses can now use their Bible trained conscience to greet Disfellowshipped people ( people who have been expelled from the congregation based on a wrong doing). Jehovah's Witnesses are only to have brief interactions with them but still are not encouraged to socialise with them.
This little change was made because the religion has come under fire for their Disfellowshipping doctrine in different Court cases. Because of this doctrine, Jehovah's Witnesses lost their registration in Norway. The Norwegian government ceased giving grants to the Cult and no longer recognise them as a Religion. They are also no longer permitted to conduct Marriages in that country.

Fact number 1
I listened very carefully, what was said is this. If the person who was kicked out for not repenting (JW is not a day care organisation), attends meeting, welcome him or her, for the fact that the person took the initiative to attend the meeting, that is not an easy thing to do. What the Bible says is to not socialize with the person, until he or she shows full repentance. Is that not what is called FORGIVENESS? Or do we want others to forgive you but you will not forgive them.


Lie number 2
The Governing body has decided that Underaged Children/Minors are no longer required to be in a judicial committee for Wrongdoing. The parents and the Elders have their role to play in talking with the Minor and if the minor is of good behaviour, a judicial committee is not necessary.
This change is also as a result of Jehovah's Witnesses loss in the Court case involving the Norwegian government. The Norwegian government deregistered the Religion when they found out that Underaged Children are disfellowshipped and are shunned by their Families. This is Discrimination in the eyes of Norway and against their rules for religious institutions who are interested in receiving Government grants. So, money is the motivation behind this change.

Facts number 2:
Not even in Africa where people are overly religious do parents stop being parents of their kids simply because the child was kicked out of the congregation for not wanting to accept he or she did wrong. If the parent does, then they are worse than the faithless (according to the Bible). So the case in Norway is just an acusation. BTW Norway is ruled by the LEFT! The people who promote satanic behaviours, LGBT, etc. They hate Christians with a burning passion. So anything they can do to attack Christians is on the table for them.



3. Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses.

This change came because EXJWS who have left the religion have been making these suggestions. Sometimes, this suggestion is made as a joke and was very popular in ExJW Reddit Forum. It is quite a shock that the Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses listened to the ExJWs that they call Apostates. There have been reports that there are agents of Watchtower spying in the ExJW Reddit Forum, listening and taking notes of what is being discussed. Afterwards, their suggestions are implemented in the name of New Light. They believe that when they make these changes, it would move EXJWS to come back to the religion. So, who is running the JW Religion, Apostates or the Governing body?

Fact Number 3:
Ladies should dress modestly, esspecially according to local customs. If the area where you live, trousers are allowed on women, go ahead, if it is not, then wear the allowed attire, ususally skirts + blouse or just a dress (gown). In Nigeria for example, dressing and grooming differ from the north to the south, in the south, the culture is a dress or skirt & blouse for women, trousers and shirt for men. I am yet to see a female senator appear in the houses of representatives or senate with trouser and T-shirt, nor female members of the cabinet in any state and FCT go to official meetings in trouser. In northen nigeria, beacuse of the climate, usually cold and dusty, trousers offer better protection against the elements. In year 2000 when I paid attention to this topic, women JWs over there wore trousers there, without any problem, at least then. I don't know for now. I left Nigeria a long time ago.

Here is a direct qoute from courz, " Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses." He purposely left out where the presenter said IF THAT IS APPRIOPRATE IN THAT LAND. So, local culture is a determining factor.

Lie number 4. Jehovah's Witness Men must not wear ties and jackets to the Kingdom hall, to the ministry and to Conventions. They are only to wear Ties and jackets when they are giving parts/Talks. They are also to be dressed in ties and jackets when visiting the Bethel Headquarters.
Earlier, it was announced that they are free to grow beards. The Governing body member giving this update in the video below had a full beard.

Facts number 4: I do go without ties and no one has told me to go back home. Or do I have to beat a dead horse? I don't have time for that.

Courz:
There are lessons to be learned in this. These changes show that;

1. The religion has always been Man made. Their rules have always been rules by Men to control people and are subject to changes when it is evident that they are not Biblical.

2. The changes show that humans can be led astray if they are not knowledgeable in the Bible.

3. The Governing body are scared of the World's government and when they are pressured to make changes, they will do so just to get approval from the world.

4. If their pockets or Bank accounts are running dry due to one doctrine or the other, the Governing body will make changes accordingly so as to get Money. These changes will be made under the guise of New Light. If they keep losing money in Courts due to one policy or doctrine, they will change that doctrine.

5. The religion is losing members at a fast pace and Kingdom halls, assembly halls and Bethel branches are being sold or are up for sale. When you watch this latest GB update above, you will see that the overall theme of the update is Membership retention. The Governing body member even appeals to disfellowshipped people to come back.

They are also listening to the tips provided by Apostates a.k.a EXJWS with the hope that they also will come back to the religion. Jehovah's Witnesses who are rejoicing over these changes should show some gratitude to the Apostates/EXJW Activists who have been fighting for years for changes to be made.

Watchtower is also trying to become More Mainstream just like every other Modern Church but at a slow pace so that it is not too shocking to Jehovah's Witnesses.

6. The changes show that Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is more of a Business Corporation than a religion. As mentioned earlier, anything that hurts their bank account will be changed. A typical Business losing profits will rebrand itself to look more appealing to help cut off these losses. Once you see Watchtower as a Business and not a Religion, you will understand the changes they are making. Since they don't take part in any Humanitarian activities, it is clear that they are truly a Business.

7. These changes also show that their doctrines are not Biblical and that the Governing body have always been wrong about everything while the Apostates have always been right. It also shows that they are not reliable and you stand at risk of being deceived and led to a pit should you take their words seriously. It shows that the Blind have been leading the Blind to an unknown destination.

8. These changes show that the Governing body values the views of Apostates and are willing to do what it takes to bring them back. It is beginning to look like the Apostates are the ones running the Jehovah's witness organisation.

You can never be more wrong! Understanding the Bible is a gradual process, as time goes on, understanding improves, then changes are made not to the Bible but to our beleif.

smileyoo:
cocoduck or whatever miserable name you call yourself, can't you make submission without unnecessary insults.
If ESN vigilantes are still active, how come
the heartless Fulani -herdsmen terrorists are still terrorising people in the south east ?
or maybe your ESN is on holiday.

Apart from when they attcked Somewhere in Enugu, (a place where they were rejected in favor of the Nigerian Army) Where else in recent memory

smileyoo:
So sad, with all these cries, lamentations of hard working Nigerian farmers because of the heinous activities of these Fulani -herdsmen terrorists, yet APC zombie supporters will still be accusing Nigerians of laziness to go to the farm, as the reason for the prevalent food insecurity in Nigeria, ignoring the harsh realities and the risk the Nigerian farmers had to contend with by going to farm.
who will help this hard working farmer to offset the loan he collected to do this farming project ?
but what is special about these Fulani-herdsmen that the government cannot brutally stop all these their criminal activities in Nigeria ?
we saw how FG crushed ESN vigilantes in the south east, even when they were set up to safeguard the people of the south east , against these same terrorists.

What ESN did they crush? Are you not 5tup!d?

Neccesity is the mother of invention.
You can build a simple but powerful steam engine. There are lots of video on youtube that you can use to know how to build it. You can also convert internal combustion engine to a steam engine. To power the engine, all you need is wood, sawdust or charcoal. Wood and saw dust can be found everywhere. I do not think this is too much for a group of nigerians to build.