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oteneaaron:
"Actively Promotes Apostasy" to whom?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

or

Apostasy to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

These are very two different forms of apostasy.

Be specific.

Or are you indirectly implying that Christ = the Governing Body?

That would be BLASPHEMY!!

What is the meaning of apostacy?

achorladey:
I would have given you a befitting response but you are too in a rush to type your response based on Courz thread. Take a deep breath and articulate your points well. Nairaland forun is not coming to an end today None of us carry cane for hand to flog you. We are ready to dissect your point wether valid or invalid

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrhm, What are you talking about?

oteneaaron:
Be a man and say what's on your mind.

I know you're not man enough to oppose the Governing Body even when what they say makes no sense - but don't be a coward.

Your LIES have exposed your stupidity.

What is this one Yapping about?

achorladey:
Common denominator of Jehovah's Witnesses here on this platform. Once you are caught in your web of lies and manipulations you go the way of insult to hide your heads

The answer was clearly there, and BTW You haerd him say ATIVELY PROMOTES APOSTACY AND WRONG DOIND! But you chose to ask stupid questions. What if I told you that your brain is an App, may be you will put it to use.

oteneaaron:
Just like manybother Jehovah's Witnesses on Nairaland, you are a BIG LIAR.

If you really watched the video as you claimed, how does the scripture that Mark Sanderson quoted apply in this case?



The people who you disfellowship and shun did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

The people who you disfellowship and shun for opposing your beloved Governing Body, did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

Do you see how hypocritical your religion has made you become?

Stop spreading LIES.

People are much wiser now.

They see your religion for what it really is - a dangerous high control cult.

I would like to call you stupid, but i will let that fly. I won't reply you, because it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be.

Lie number 1.
The Governing body has decided that Jehovah's Witnesses can now use their Bible trained conscience to greet Disfellowshipped people ( people who have been expelled from the congregation based on a wrong doing). Jehovah's Witnesses are only to have brief interactions with them but still are not encouraged to socialise with them.
This little change was made because the religion has come under fire for their Disfellowshipping doctrine in different Court cases. Because of this doctrine, Jehovah's Witnesses lost their registration in Norway. The Norwegian government ceased giving grants to the Cult and no longer recognise them as a Religion. They are also no longer permitted to conduct Marriages in that country.

Fact number 1
I listened very carefully, what was said is this. If the person who was kicked out for not repenting (JW is not a day care organisation), attends meeting, welcome him or her, for the fact that the person took the initiative to attend the meeting, that is not an easy thing to do. What the Bible says is to not socialize with the person, until he or she shows full repentance. Is that not what is called FORGIVENESS? Or do we want others to forgive you but you will not forgive them.


Lie number 2
The Governing body has decided that Underaged Children/Minors are no longer required to be in a judicial committee for Wrongdoing. The parents and the Elders have their role to play in talking with the Minor and if the minor is of good behaviour, a judicial committee is not necessary.
This change is also as a result of Jehovah's Witnesses loss in the Court case involving the Norwegian government. The Norwegian government deregistered the Religion when they found out that Underaged Children are disfellowshipped and are shunned by their Families. This is Discrimination in the eyes of Norway and against their rules for religious institutions who are interested in receiving Government grants. So, money is the motivation behind this change.

Facts number 2:
Not even in Africa where people are overly religious do parents stop being parents of their kids simply because the child was kicked out of the congregation for not wanting to accept he or she did wrong. If the parent does, then they are worse than the faithless (according to the Bible). So the case in Norway is just an acusation. BTW Norway is ruled by the LEFT! The people who promote satanic behaviours, LGBT, etc. They hate Christians with a burning passion. So anything they can do to attack Christians is on the table for them.



3. Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses.

This change came because EXJWS who have left the religion have been making these suggestions. Sometimes, this suggestion is made as a joke and was very popular in ExJW Reddit Forum. It is quite a shock that the Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses listened to the ExJWs that they call Apostates. There have been reports that there are agents of Watchtower spying in the ExJW Reddit Forum, listening and taking notes of what is being discussed. Afterwards, their suggestions are implemented in the name of New Light. They believe that when they make these changes, it would move EXJWS to come back to the religion. So, who is running the JW Religion, Apostates or the Governing body?

Fact Number 3:
Ladies should dress modestly, esspecially according to local customs. If the area where you live, trousers are allowed on women, go ahead, if it is not, then wear the allowed attire, ususally skirts + blouse or just a dress (gown). In Nigeria for example, dressing and grooming differ from the north to the south, in the south, the culture is a dress or skirt & blouse for women, trousers and shirt for men. I am yet to see a female senator appear in the houses of representatives or senate with trouser and T-shirt, nor female members of the cabinet in any state and FCT go to official meetings in trouser. In northen nigeria, beacuse of the climate, usually cold and dusty, trousers offer better protection against the elements. In year 2000 when I paid attention to this topic, women JWs over there wore trousers there, without any problem, at least then. I don't know for now. I left Nigeria a long time ago.

Here is a direct qoute from courz, " Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses." He purposely left out where the presenter said IF THAT IS APPRIOPRATE IN THAT LAND. So, local culture is a determining factor.

Lie number 4. Jehovah's Witness Men must not wear ties and jackets to the Kingdom hall, to the ministry and to Conventions. They are only to wear Ties and jackets when they are giving parts/Talks. They are also to be dressed in ties and jackets when visiting the Bethel Headquarters.
Earlier, it was announced that they are free to grow beards. The Governing body member giving this update in the video below had a full beard.

Facts number 4: I do go without ties and no one has told me to go back home. Or do I have to beat a dead horse? I don't have time for that.

Courz:
There are lessons to be learned in this. These changes show that;

1. The religion has always been Man made. Their rules have always been rules by Men to control people and are subject to changes when it is evident that they are not Biblical.

2. The changes show that humans can be led astray if they are not knowledgeable in the Bible.

3. The Governing body are scared of the World's government and when they are pressured to make changes, they will do so just to get approval from the world.

4. If their pockets or Bank accounts are running dry due to one doctrine or the other, the Governing body will make changes accordingly so as to get Money. These changes will be made under the guise of New Light. If they keep losing money in Courts due to one policy or doctrine, they will change that doctrine.

5. The religion is losing members at a fast pace and Kingdom halls, assembly halls and Bethel branches are being sold or are up for sale. When you watch this latest GB update above, you will see that the overall theme of the update is Membership retention. The Governing body member even appeals to disfellowshipped people to come back.

They are also listening to the tips provided by Apostates a.k.a EXJWS with the hope that they also will come back to the religion. Jehovah's Witnesses who are rejoicing over these changes should show some gratitude to the Apostates/EXJW Activists who have been fighting for years for changes to be made.

Watchtower is also trying to become More Mainstream just like every other Modern Church but at a slow pace so that it is not too shocking to Jehovah's Witnesses.

6. The changes show that Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is more of a Business Corporation than a religion. As mentioned earlier, anything that hurts their bank account will be changed. A typical Business losing profits will rebrand itself to look more appealing to help cut off these losses. Once you see Watchtower as a Business and not a Religion, you will understand the changes they are making. Since they don't take part in any Humanitarian activities, it is clear that they are truly a Business.

7. These changes also show that their doctrines are not Biblical and that the Governing body have always been wrong about everything while the Apostates have always been right. It also shows that they are not reliable and you stand at risk of being deceived and led to a pit should you take their words seriously. It shows that the Blind have been leading the Blind to an unknown destination.

8. These changes show that the Governing body values the views of Apostates and are willing to do what it takes to bring them back. It is beginning to look like the Apostates are the ones running the Jehovah's witness organisation.

You can never be more wrong! Understanding the Bible is a gradual process, as time goes on, understanding improves, then changes are made not to the Bible but to our beleif.

smileyoo:
cocoduck or whatever miserable name you call yourself, can't you make submission without unnecessary insults.
If ESN vigilantes are still active, how come
the heartless Fulani -herdsmen terrorists are still terrorising people in the south east ?
or maybe your ESN is on holiday.

Apart from when they attcked Somewhere in Enugu, (a place where they were rejected in favor of the Nigerian Army) Where else in recent memory

smileyoo:
So sad, with all these cries, lamentations of hard working Nigerian farmers because of the heinous activities of these Fulani -herdsmen terrorists, yet APC zombie supporters will still be accusing Nigerians of laziness to go to the farm, as the reason for the prevalent food insecurity in Nigeria, ignoring the harsh realities and the risk the Nigerian farmers had to contend with by going to farm.
who will help this hard working farmer to offset the loan he collected to do this farming project ?
but what is special about these Fulani-herdsmen that the government cannot brutally stop all these their criminal activities in Nigeria ?
we saw how FG crushed ESN vigilantes in the south east, even when they were set up to safeguard the people of the south east , against these same terrorists.

What ESN did they crush? Are you not 5tup!d?

Neccesity is the mother of invention.
You can build a simple but powerful steam engine. There are lots of video on youtube that you can use to know how to build it. You can also convert internal combustion engine to a steam engine. To power the engine, all you need is wood, sawdust or charcoal. Wood and saw dust can be found everywhere. I do not think this is too much for a group of nigerians to build.

proeast:
Yet the $1 billion USD power generation investment by Geometric was made in Aba and not Lagos. Can’t you see the joke is on you?!

Right now I will do it in Aba. Lagos no get energy. I will not power my factory using my fart

proeast:
Just like the rejected stone that eventually became the pillar, Aba is now on the threshold to becoming Nigeria’s saving grace!

The situation in Nigeria is now almost hopeless except for the sliver of hope glimmering from Aba. Firstly, let’s look at the current situation of things & why no manufacturer will survive in the long run except they move their production base to Aba now:

1. Power generation has remained abysmal and in some cases worsening yet energy bills keep skyrocketing! Nigeria’s power generation still hovers around 4000 megawatts for a population of over 200 million. That’s most likely the lowest in the world per capita. No serious manufacturer can rely on PHCN, so they’re left to produce their own power & make use of PHCN as backup.

2. For a manufacturer to produce their own electricity, they would rely on diesel. A liter of diesel is currently 1700! Now multiply that to the number of liters their generating sets consume daily, weekly or monthly & tell me if any manufacturer can still run optimally and profitably?

3. Unfortunately, there are no official & clear-cut plans by the government to change this deplorable situation. So, it’s either MNC’s & local investors move their plant to Aba or go bankrupt/extinct eventually.

I went to Vietnam, a country that has border with China yet I was shocked to discover that almost everything consumed in Vietnam is produced in the country. So, I asked myself, how the hell was Vietnam able to overcome so-called cheaper Chinese goods? If Vietnam that has land borders with China could keep so-called cheap Chinese goods off their shelves, then why not Nigeria that is thousands of kilometers away?

With cheap & reliable electricity from Geometric, industries/plants in Aba can easily produce cheap goods & eventually ensure that Nigerian produced goods effectively replace those from China. If Vietnam can do it, then we can do it even more!

Aba has large markets & chains of distributors. It is connected by rail. Is near to cargo international airports in Owerri & P.H. As well as Onne seaport. Goods produced in Aba are daily supplied to markets all over Nigeria and to other countries like Cameroun, Gabon, Chad, Ghana, Equatorial Guinea etc.

Aba has become Nigeria’s best kept secret & saving grace. Any investor who fails to take advantage now should only blame themselves.

Concentrating on Africa alone will give Aba a fortune, let alone worldwide

If that is attained, just 2% tax is $400 million for Abia

Love800:
Alright.
What kind of camera?

Any good Android phones or Iphones are good enough. Sound quality is the most important. so make sure you have a good mic, and learn video editing.

Love800:
Film yourself teaching what?

I just made opened a YouTube channel teaching HTML CSS and JS. Teach what you know. Poeple want knowledge

ChatterHouse:
Don't go about spoiling people's business with your useless opinion

Do you know how much loss the company will incur and the thousands of livelihood that is dependent on the jobs at the said company
Because you have phone is OK for you to speak venom on people's years of hard work

Chioma Okoli is simple myopic and stuuupid, if you want to criticise do it constructively

Freedom of speech is not putting people out of business that your generation can't afford

You have the right to complain, if you are not satisfied with the product or services rendered. stop thinking like an abobakor

yahoodetector:
Another wailer! Please check your blood pressure this evening before you kpeme because of severe pains

Why are you this wicked?

ahmedio:
I won’t advise anybody to go to Gabon. They have a saying there. Gabonese first. Even other French speaking people are seen as less to them.
The standard of living is very low in Gabon. A few Cameroonians that made friends with the previous government are among the few rich foreigners.
So, if you are going as an ordinary person, I will advise otherwise. But, if you’re able to make friends with the high and mighty there, then you can easily succeed.

Standard of living is not low in Gabon, though the Ali Bongos nearly made it so. But still I will not advise anyone to relocate to Gabon, if not coming to do business, then go immidiately he or she is done, and then come back later for another round.

mkbessman:
Please I’ve been thinking about this since last year. I teach here In Nigeria. I can’t afford to go to the western or Asian countries but I think I can be able to save to move to Gabon to atleast teach.

I’ve checked their minimum wage, unemployment rate and their exchange rate snd I think it’s better off than Nigeria. Please advise me. I’m still single and in my mid 30s.

Is it worth taking a try? I know no one there.

I am willing to take the risk to go look for a job there with what I’ve saved so far. I’m projecting 500k.

Please I honestly and sincerely need your advice

Nope! Don't, if you do, you will be taken advantage of. the minimum wage is for citizens or residents with carte de sejour and you are working for the government. The private schools run by Nigerians (that is where you will work because you do not have carte de sejour and you do not speak french) don't pay well, If I were you, I will buy a camera and film myself teaching, then upload it to youtube. With time YT will pay you. BTW 500k is way too small.

1Sharon:
Oh I love that man, he really exposes them. All the hateful verses in Arabic, he translates for us in English. Who better than an arab to tell us about Arabs?


Arabs gatekeep Islam but concurrently want the rest of the world to be Muslims because expanding Islam is their pride. A non- arab Muslim may make them smile, but deep down they don't take you seriously.
This is why I cringe at black Muslims. A black person that occupies the lowest strata in almost every society wants to be taken seriously as a Muslim?
In Islam, it's haram to enslave a fellow muslim but when it came to black African Muslims, they didn't care.

Arabs gatekeep Islam but concurrently want the rest of the world to be Muslims because expanding Islam is their pride
GBAM!!!!!

advanceDNA:
Pakistani Muslim are a different breed of muslims.... They consciously look for virtually anything they can call blasphemy so they can kill.....

Islam is an arab supremacist religion, if you are not arab, you are not a real or worthy muslim, so for the pakistanis to show that they are worthy muslims, they go above and beyond. Christian Prince An arab Christian has always talked about this

Mitsurugi:
But it ain't fresh either, innit?

in context of what is happening, it is still fresh

Mitsurugi:
Old video. Happened last week. This administration is playing a very dangerous game. Food riots is one of the main topplers of any government. Tinubu should be smarter than what his followers make him out to be.

In my opinion Prof. Yusuf issued a veiled threat yesterday to those who are discerning enough.

Last week is not old video

sendrio:
Trump talks too much. He was President for four years

unfortunately for you, that is no what he said

junketer:
dude you dey yan n0nsense. So now you agree there is suffering in the land. We are not happy about the bad news we hear daily in nigeria but we warned you people about buhari and tinubu but you never listened. Keep teaching igbos a lesson. Na you sabi

that is the problem. We spend the whole year warning them, they call us names, and do what they want toi do, only to ask us for sympathy when the 5hit hits the fan. The next election year, the exact same scenario repeats itself.

abhosts:
You have been brainwashed. It is fine to have religious convictions but there is no correlation between religion and nation building. The greatest economic marvel of the 21st century is China. You think their prosperity came about by prayer and fasting?

You are the one brainwashed with hatred. You think China is doing well? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If China is doing so well, why are they sending their kids to study in the west? I mean the very top CCP party members. They do not even develop any technology of their own, in fact it is only last year or last two years that China finally manufactured theri own ball point pen using their own materials and their own technology, and it is still not better than those made in the west. Do you know about 'tofu dreg'? You are very ignorant.

abhosts:
When we try to explain to Africans say Oyinbo nations are now in a post-religion era, this is what we mean. Let your religious persuasions dictate your personal decisions and leave others to their freewill and conscience. Or would God send this man to hell because others are aborting their offspring? Nobody send your 'the bible says' talk for that side

You are talking rubbish! The west is on a very fast decline, the day they left their God, was the day it started. When Christians were in power in places like San Fransisco, the whole place was good and serene. When Rudi Gulliani was mayor of New York, despite suffering a dastardly attack from the muslims, the city stood very strong. But since the so called post religion people took over, the city has become a 5hithole! Comparable to third world countries. Filth can be seen everywhere, druggies high on all manner of substances are everywhere. same for San Fransisco, and every democrat run hell hole. London, is now being run by a muslim, that place too is fast desending to hell.

HajiMT:
The government needs to arrest this situation before it degenerates to a full-blown crisis.

by doing what exactly?

countless muslims became Christians because of Social media

abba190:
shame on our bi@fran soldiers, they cant do thesame

They are in colaboration with the Biafran forces, they share intelligence and resources