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celestineteryim:
otti promise them to pay during campaign or it was fake promise just to get power? over to you LP and bitter grieving Pandora obituary zombie

If I am having a conversation with u and u start throwing insults, I see you as empty and end the conversation.

Even northerners reading my post, I urge any northerner that says I am distorting history. To come at me, open ur thread and let’s talk.

I came prepared.

If anybody asks the north what exactly is the offence of igbos, they will tell you Igbos killed sarduana Ahmadu bello and tafawa balewa in 1966. When Ahmadu bello and Tafawa balewa used their positions to destabilise the west, and unjustly sentenced Ahmadu bello for their crimes, nobody ever says northerners destabilise the west. When these guys were the first set of people to bring instability to Nigeria, nobody says that either.

But when a set of military officers acting in their own accord do sth, it’s Igbos. I am not in support of the killing but let’s look at that.

Northerners for long have been attacking igbos unprovoked long before 1966 happened. In 1960 Nigeria got independence, everybody was happy a chance for a new start, let God bless us all and let’s build the nation of our dreams. Northerners unprovoked didnt stop their resentment. They went as far as their leaders going on international tv to be spreading ethnic bigotry.

A premier of a region, going to say igbos are trying to dominate, his definition of igbo domination is, if a man comes to a place, he would work hard to succeed and try to rise up the ranks.

Northerners judge for urself, is a man’s willingness to succeed in life a bad thing? Is this an excuse for resentment?

Y were northern leaders doing that to their fellow countrymen unprovoked.

January 1966 came, and the deaths happened, July 1966 came and you had your revenge. Y then did u people attack the civilian population that had nothing to do with it. You have had ur revenge, y then are u pushing to destroy or annihilate. There were retaliations in the east no doubts.


Every single attempt for peace was destroyed by the north, as they continued to renegade agreements upon agreements. You renegade on ur agreement and same you still blames us for you not keeping to ur word. Same you still blame us for self preservation by declaring Biafra.


Let us be sincere with ourselves.

Then 50years later you would tell us we can’t become president because of what happened in 1967 that we declared Biafra, a problem That your own people caused technically.

What is this called?

Even northerners reading my post, I urge any northerner that says I am distorting history. To come at me, open ur thread and let’s talk.

I came prepared.

If anybody asks the north what exactly is the offence of igbos, they will tell you Igbos killed sarduana Ahmadu bello and tafawa balewa in 1966. When Ahmadu bello and Tafawa balewa used their positions to destabilise the west, and unjustly sentenced Ahmadu bello for their crimes, nobody ever says northerners destabilise the west. When these guys were the first set of people to bring instability to Nigeria, nobody says that either.

But when a set of military officers acting in their own accord do sth, it’s Igbos. I am not in support of the killing but let’s look at that.

Northerners for long have been attacking igbos unprovoked long before 1966 happened. In 1960 Nigeria got independence, everybody was happy a chance for a new start, let God bless us all and let’s build the nation of our dreams. Northerners unprovoked didnt stop their resentment. They went as far as their leaders going on international tv to be spreading ethnic bigotry. What Nnamdi Kanu is doing now was what Ahmadu bello was doing in the 1960’s.

A premier of a region, going to say igbos are trying to dominate, his definition of igbo domination is, if a man comes to a place, he would work hard to succeed and try to rise up the ranks.

Northerners judge for urself, is a man’s willingness to succeed in life a bad thing? Is this an excuse for resentment?

Y were northern leaders doing that to their fellow countrymen unprovoked.

January 1966 came, and the deaths happened, July 1966 came and you had your revenge. Y then did u people attack the civilian population that had nothing to do with it. You have had ur revenge, y then are u pushing to destroy or annihilate. There were retaliations in the east no doubts.


Every single attempt for peace was destroyed by the north, as they continued to renegade agreements upon agreements. You renegade on ur agreement and same you still blames us for you not keeping to ur word. Same you still blame us for self preservation by declaring Biafra.


Let us be sincere with ourselves.

Then 50years later you would tell us we can’t become president because of what happened in 1967 that we declared Biafra, a problem That your own people caused technically.

What is this called?

raskymonojendor:
Cracks have started showing. You can only use propaganda for so long.

This money they are protesting about is money owed to them by ikpeazu administration.

Y didn’t they protest when a government owed them, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and 11 months salary.

But find their voice when another government is in power

DMerciful:
Igbos left Nigeria for almost 3yrs, he should have led his people out. That would have made it impossible for the fg to fight.

Secondly, why does his staying in Nigeria depends on whether Igbos are staying or not?

Dead this talk.


It’s arguments like this that make this people think they are smarter than all, that we have some form of hidden agenda

Intrepid01:
I’m afraid you won’t see the correlation between your assessment of the points in the letter and the mentioning of Ojukwu’s coward behaviour. The summary of the point is that your assessment isn’t objective enough. Goodbye!

I am coming out plain. I am not omniscient.

I don’t know everything. Since I don’t y don’t u enlighten me, so I can update my knowledge.

Whenever I say this to alot of u, u get angry and say goodbye. If u are sure of what you are saying y are u afraid to defend or address it?

Ojukwu did so many things:

His first issue is invading the Midwest
Second issue is marching west, he had his reasons.


But anybody who reads this letter during a time of war, and say the interpretation of this was an igbo agenda to annex the west. Is lieing?

Nobody wants to talk about how a political tussle that could have lead to a united south, proposed by swollen was destroyed by certain entities, in collaboration with certain entities from the west.

Who despite majority of the southwestern leaders were against, that saw the SW get destabilised, that saw an unjust state of emergency being declared in the west and the innocent person was charged for treason.

While the guilty party was put forcefully in power with violence, for the first time in history.


But people want to talk about ojukwu letter.


From there we moved to some individuals who saw what happened to the innocent man charged for treason revolting and the rest happening.


Until we got to this letter.


Apart from the revolting over the unjust treatment of awolowo. The east didn’t do absolutely anything wrong to the west.

Y the hate then? That there was an igbo agenda?

If there was y didn’t this agenda show when aguiyi ironsi became head of state, y didn’t this agenda show after the war was over and the Biafran leaders were arrested, tortured and interrogated?

paramakina202:
Well the Yoruba nation prefer Hausa/Fulani domination and satisfied by playing second fiddle to them as far ndi Igbo are relegated in national politics.

My issue is they are not trying to talk things in general, they don’t want all of us to come out straight. They are willing to shift posts and excuses for what the north did, but would focus on any small event involving the east.


That’s my only issue, for me let everyone come out clean.


This is still be shown in todays world, where somebody would carry cow all the way from sokoto, march into somebody’s farm in Ibadan eat crops and they would keep quiet.
A farm is much more valuable than a livestock, a livestock can easily be replaced, but there are some crops that if they die it would take years to grow them again.
Instead of them to speak out when things like this occur they are willing to overlook it.

But let igbo say anything, just one thing whether harmless or not. They would give if many interpretation to make it seem like we have certain agenda, like we go to Enugu every year to talk about how we want to do certain things in the west.


After the civil war was over, majority of the Biafran soldiers were arrested and detained and interrogated for years. If this plot to take over the west or to annex it would have been exposed. To this day it hasn’t, even during aburi accord it wasn’t.

But their minds are made up to believe what they want.

raumdeuter:
Do you expect resistance from people who you invaded their land uninvited or you expect them to hand you roses?

The main question should be what was Ojukus forces looking for in the midwest and did he get permission from midwesterners to do that?

When midwesterners resisted, the Biafran occupotion forces went ahead to murder them in numbers

The reason for this thread is not to talk about y ojukwu marched west, or y he invaded the Midwest.

I was mentioned here cause the op opened a thread about the letter in the heading and tagged it an igbo agenda. I went forward to break down every single thing written in the letter and asked you guys to tell me how the content of the letter meant any harm?

raumdeuter:
Was that not the time Alex Ekwueme was Vice President of Nigeria

My point here is you guys selective judgement and interpretation of the letter.

Same u guys said ojukwu wanted to meet victor banjo after he accomplished his goals so he could assassinate him, but no where in history was it ever written where ojukwu broke any agreement he had with anybody.

What history knew ojukwu for was he honoured agreement.

It was in history that northern soldiers who were in the east were allowed to return homes with their weapons, but when igbo soldiers were returning home, the moment the northern soldiers heard that their kinsmen had crossed the borders of the east, they descended on them.


But yeah ojukwu was the one with an agenda

raumdeuter:
Offer were made to 3 people, 2 declined, Ojuku refused one and chose his fellow Ibo to rule the midwest

Below was the experience of the midwesterners during the occupation

Bro you are not coming out plainly, the Biafran installation in the Midwest didn’t wake up and start attacking the people at the Midwest, there was some resistance from some people in the Midwest, especially the place Okotie Eboh hailed from, who still harboured some resentment over the killing of their son in the January 1966 coup.


Would u read this and say am lieing or twisting history.

I break things down so everyone reading this can understand the context of certain things happening and that happened.

The north accused Igbos of a certain domination, in a country that was based on merit that saw the country flourish.

Only for them to do exactly the same thing and even do it worst, just to plunge the country into a mess.

Between 1967 and 2000 that the Igbos were sidelined and they dominated, let everyone be the judge.

People would say I am twisting history, but isn’t the facts there. Since you say there was igbo domination and you started a campaign to dominate the country, what happened to Nigeria since then?


Corruption took over, nepotism, everything sank completely.


Is this here a lie?


I don’t say igbos were saints and I don’t say we made the best decisions. But the truth remains that what ojukwu predicted in number 1 part of this letter happened before all our eyes. You saw all this happened and still had a way to still blame ojukwu who told u so for it.

paramakina202:
It was a tactical move to end the war before it even started.If Banjo had succeeded Biafra war wouldn't have happened because Nigeria army would have been defeated in Lagos and there is no way what was left of Nigeria army can stand Biafra Rep,Midwest and Yoruba independent nations.

It took 30years for them to realise everything ojukwu said in that letter was true, didn’t a Hausa/fulani domination eventually happen?


They would skip those parts and focus on the parts that are based on assumptions.

raumdeuter:
They think by rewriting history in their mischievous ways, they will cover the misdeeds of the past

An example is this thread with coldie twisting and turning trying to rewrite history

There’s a reason that one thing u are replying to is avoiding quoting me, he knows y, he truly does.

Intrepid01:
You are being smart by half but some of us can see through your hypocrisy.

I pointed out the areas where you weren’t objective. Secondly, I brought in Ojukwu’s decision to run away because your overall assessment isn’t objective.

BTW there’s a difference between “assessment” and “accessing”….the applicable word here is assessment.

My question to you is what is the relationship between ojukwu running away at the end of the war and this letter? How is this hypocrisy?

Since you say am being smart?

Please enlighten me?

raumdeuter:
They think by rewriting history in their mischievous ways, they will cover the misdeeds of the past

An example is this thread with coldie twisting and turning trying to rewrite history

I ask you again, where did I lie?

Or twist?


U can point out anywhere, not a single lie, but I hv caught u lieing, but am the one twisting things

raumdeuter:
Ojuku appointed a fellow Ibo to govern the midwest against Banjos advice to appoint a local non Ibo man after toppling David Ejoor

I thought offers were made to some people and they declined?

Before ojukwu settled with okonkwo?

raumdeuter:
while Banjo and Ojukwu argued back and forth for three days about whom to appoint Governor/ Administrator of the Midwest. Ojukwu had apparently initially preferred Lt. Col. Nwawo as the governor (9). But Banjo, eager to avoid creating a restive non-Ibo population, independently and separately approached Lt. Col. David Ejoor (through the Catholic mission), Major Sam Ogbemudia (through an agent) and Lt. Col. Trimnell (a molato officer with ancestral links to Aboh division), in that order (9, 13, 14). The first two declined. Ojukwu turned down the latter, ultimately choosing Major Albert Nwazu Okonkwo, a Midwest Ibo medical officer

https://www.dawodu.net/articles/the-midwest-invasion-of-1967-lessons-for-todays-geopolitics-1138

I thought u guys said ojukwu appointed his kin’s man from the east to head the Midwest, so what happened?

Igbofirstson:
if igbos are raiders yoruba land would have been igbo territory before the coming of Europeans

Before 1966 the east was the most peaceful region in Nigeria, in the north there was the tic crisis, in the west we had the western region crisis,


But there was absolutely no major crisis in the east for a long time until the events that lead after the 1966 coups. This is a fact, the igbo as a tribe are a peaceful people

confusedlady:
You are right.

I put it to you confusedlady, give us reference and historical facts or how u got the information that victor banjo had issues with ojukwu cause of the situation at Midwest where according to you he appointed solely his kinsman into power. I can tell you this with confidence that the poster you quoted is lying.


I say this with confidence.


I hv read and read and read almost every single existing thing on earth that’s available about 1966 to 1970 and u can say this that you guys are the once lying on this thread.

[quote author=1Alex post=130870631][/quote]Tell us how this here is an igbo agenda:

“
(ix) As soon as possible after your appointment as the Military Governor of Western Nigeria and separation of that territory from Nigeria, you and I must meet to discuss:
(a) the duration of stay of Biafran troops in your territory;

(b) the areas and subjects of cooperation between the liberated sovereign states of Western Nigeria, or by what name it may call itself, and Biafra.”


Convince us

Chivisee:
Asin an ibo soldiers wanted a yoruba man to invade yoruba region because of his selfish interest to retrievce the power to control niger delta-oil??/it can only come from our sub human tribe!! i mean somebody should explained what ojukus intention was?? No wonder the iboes envy the great yorubas, the scam they easily fool the minority people from their side was brutally rejected and destroyed by the yorubas. i am beginning to see the origin of the enviness!

Ur own u no need explanation, na mugu u be

LifestyleTonite:
When did the Western region write a letter to Ojukwu seeking his help? When did they ever cry to his hearing that they needed liberation? You mean the same Western region that was holding Owambe parties was seeking help from a Biafra that was starving and getting bombed to pieces by Nigeria?

Since no one asked for Ojukwu's help, it is safe to say he had subjugation tendencies when he invaded Ore.

The fact that he told Banjo to meet him after Western region invasion was enough red flag. Clearly, Banjo would have been assassinated at such a meeting by the same Ojukwu who didn't hesitate to kill him when he saw that Banjo refused to wage war on his own region.

Igbo are always clever by half. They dislike Yoruba people because the scam they successfully run on others is usually and easily detected by the Yoruba people.

Only an Igbo man will see Ojukwu's letter and not smell shadiness.

From what I see in this letter and the outcome of the letter, I can tell you that if we were to dig deeper and we had all the facts at hand, you would not be surprised to discover that victor banjo might have been the one who gave ojukwu the idea on marching west.

His intentions on the idea wasn’t to just march west but a ploy to flee back to his western region, but things didn’t go as planned.

I might be wrong, but people on this thread say alot about how banjo Yorubas don’t fall for igbo cleverness, y then did banjo march west?


And later it was discovered that him and ifeajuna was in secret negotiations with the Nigerian government before their execution.

The only people who always renegade on their promises wasn’t the Biafran side, this is a fact.


Y then did the people who victor banjo and ifeajuna was negotiating with secretly renegade on him.


The answer is simple: they had no intentions of letting go Emmanuel ifeajuna and victor banjo for absolutely any reason, after their involvement in the January 1966 coup.


I know ur mind is already made up to beleive what you want, but truth is truth.

LifestyleTonite:
When did the Western region write a letter to Ojukwu seeking his help? When did they ever cry to his hearing that they needed liberation? You mean the same Western region that was holding Owambe parties was seeking help from a Biafra that was starving and getting bombed to pieces by Nigeria?

Since no one asked for Ojukwu's help, it is safe to say he had subjugation tendencies when he invaded Ore.

The fact that he told Banjo to meet him after Western region invasion was enough red flag. Clearly, Banjo would have been assassinated at such a meeting by the same Ojukwu who didn't hesitate to kill him when he saw that Banjo refused to wage war on his own region.

Igbo are always clever by half. They dislike Yoruba people because the scam they successfully run on others is usually and easily detected by the Yoruba people.

Only an Igbo man will see Ojukwu's letter and not smell shadiness.

We talk facts, all you people have are assumptions, sentiments, if to say, maybe.

The contents of the letter is as clear as day, it’s the reason ojukwu took things in writing, so nobody can lie against him. If this letter that’s as clear as day, people are lying against him, imagine if he made a verbal agreement, maybe another person would have come out and say victor banjo told him that ojukwu said then look for one false igbo agenda thing to attach to it.

Someone told me in my thread that ifeajuna was the person who brought victor banjo into the coup, both ifeajuna and victor banjo were executed for treason.


You have absolutely no way to guage or to prove that he would have assassinated victor banjo if victor banjo kept to his end of his agreement, ur point is y is ojukwu asking him and victor banjo to meet at the end.

Give us one single instance in history where ojukwu made an agreement with absolutely anyone and reneged or try to play smart.

If you can give me just one, I would say you win, but I can give u many instances where ojukwu trusted others and it was them that played him.


Let’s go

raskymonojendor:
He appointed an Ibo man over Midwest. That was the first issue oju-iku and banjo had. Banjo wanted a Midwestern (deltan or Edo) to be appointed, but Oju-iku instead appointed his kinsman.

Can u prove this with fact. If a lie is spotted in anything you say it puts question mark on if u are not lying about other things too.

Tell us where you got this information that victor banjo had issues with ojukwu, because victor banjo wanted a midwestern to rule. I put it to you that you are lying.


BOLDLY.


Anybody can ask me how I know he is lying

Intrepid01:
I have read your responses up to this point, you are giving excuses rather than the required assessment. Those people engaging you did not ask you to defend Ojukwu like you are doing but to assess those funny statements he included in the letter.

An assessment is different from a justification, an assessment must be objective, free of emotions and rational. Flip it around, and imagine if that letter was from Awolowo to Ojukwu, will your assessment be the same?

Like every ambitious soldier, Ojukwu took his whole tribe to a war they weren’t prepared for and got many killed. The only grouse I have with him is he behaved like a coward at the end, real Soldiers don’t run from battle, they’ll rather die even in the face of defeat than live as a coward. But Ojukwu ran like a simp, living ordinary Igbos to die in the hands of angry soldiers who did t see the need for the war in the first place. Lastly, Igbos should always remember that FGN didn’t declare war on SE but rather Ojukwu declared war and attacked Nigeria first.

We are not accessing if ojukwu was right or not. We are accessing the letter, and I broke the letter piece by piece and asked what was wrong in the issues brought up by the letter.

I have broken it down piece by piece and added more context, but u people are just interpreting the parts u want and ignoring other sides.

What is the relationship between the letter and if ojukwu ran away? We only came here to talk about the letter,

If u want to talk about ojukwu actions at the end of the war, u can do that but I am here to talk strictly about this letter and if there’s any Igbo agenda on it

EJEGBULEJE:
Oh! Now you calm, everything u say is a lie....if your people can't admit they’re wrong, then just keep quiet.....and stop playing the victim card

Tell me where I lie na, see o

confusedlady:
Coldie,
You have done nothing of the sort. All you have done on this thread is beat around the bush as usual.

Anybody with an iota of intelligence can see from paragraph vii of Ojukwu's letter that this was an attempt to subjugate and annex Lagos and Western region entirely which has always been the aim of the Ibo from time in memorial starting with Azikiwe trying to become the leader of Western Nigeria using the influence of Herbert Macaulay.
You have refused to look at the fact that if Banjo had successfully gotten to Lagos he would have been Ojukwu's puppet on a string,considering that all actions would require Ojukwu's approval. Secondly, Ojukwu was to appoint the administrator for Lagos of his own choice. Thirdly the Biafra occupational force was to remain in Lagos and the Western region until Ojukwu decided he was satisfied.
This was just the egotistical Ojukwu sending Banjo on a suicide mission of no return.
Had Banjo succeeded, it is obvious that Ojukwu would have ordered his assassination before he could assume office and turn the tables on him. Banjo being a cerebral man realised his error of leading a rag tag Ibo occupational force into his homeland and quickly turned back at Ore.

So Coldie, in the end you have not convinced anyone that the aim of this Biafran invasion was altruistic. The ultimate aim as usual was a subjugation and annexation of another region.

PHIPEX:
Truth is always bitter while propaganda is sweet. After all these Banjo betrayed Ojukwu and his people distorted history for years.

Who could have imagine Ojukwu sacrificed his soldiers for altruistic behaviour to favour South Western Nigeria. If Banjo knew he had a double mind, why did he agree to lead the Biafra soldiers all the way to Ore, expose them to danger and switched over to the other side?

Obviously, you can't talk of disintegrating Nigeria if the capital in Lagos still stands. And who was in a better position to lead the match to Lagos than a senior Yoruba military officer.

Rather than appreciating Ojukwu, they demonised him, very sad experience.

The issue is, ojukwu could have told an igbo man to lead the army that marched towards the west, if that happened these people would say it’s an igbo agenda, ojukwu told a Yoruba man to march towards the west, it’s still an igbo agenda.

Ojukwu made many mistakes, but it’s obvious his intentions were not subjugation or annexation.

Confusedlady said I was beating around the bush, but her own interpretation of the letter is lopsided with selective judgements, you can’t say

Someone wants to annex a place when he made this statement:

In other words, our sovereignty and break with Nigeria is irrevocable. Nothing must, therefore be said or done by you or any member of the Liberation Army to give a contrary impression.

You can’t say he wants to subjugate a place when he also made this statement:

4. I do not need to remind you that Biafra regards all Yoruba as friends. As such everything should be done, to ensure the minimum force and loss of life are involved in achieving the objective of liberation.

This here was proven by the biafran forces who refused to utilise absolute force in entering the west. It is on record that the group that stopped the Biafra forces were made up of a few group of hunters.

If they used absolute force they could have torn through them easily. But that wasn’t what they were there for

They said I am a propaganda machine.

I ask them where is my lie, all they could come up with is, if assumptions, imaginations and projecting.

The facts are in black and white, but their own facts is based on sentimental imagination

Georgry:
You're a propaganda machine, what business does Biafran Republic has with Lagos that they have to appoint a military administrator? Abeg go warm Eba chop, the agenda was not even hidden at all, Biafran Republic reserve the right automatically meant that they could appoint anybody they want, he could simply install a puppet and the Biafran Republic will rule Lagos by proxy.

I would engage you, but I don’t owe someone who throws insults into civil conversations, any explanation

This is the letter they showed their generations and used as proof of igbo agenda for Lagos. Like for real.


Seriously, observe how all the voices that when she started the thread were shouting igbo want to dominate this person, igbo want to do this.

Observe how they have all gone quiet.



The entire lies told for generations have been exposed.