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DriveByKiller:You seriously have a problem. http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI HDI 2015 Kenya 145 . . . . Nigeria, 152 Nigeria still rank below Kenya in that regard. Could u please stop throwing around such claims without proof? |
DriveByKiller:Any data still points to the same direction, that Nigeria has more people living in poverty than Kenya. Nigerians living in poverty rise to nearly 61% [color=#808080]Poverty has risen in Nigeria, with almost 100 million people living on less than a $1 (£0.63) a day, despite economic growth, statistics have shown. The National Bureau of Statistics said 60.9% of Nigerians in 2010 were living in "absolute poverty" - this figure had risen from 54.7% in 2004. The bureau predicted this rising trend was likely to continue. Nigeria is Africa's biggest oil producer but the sector has been tainted by accusations of corruption. According to the report, absolute poverty is measured by the number of people who can afford only the bare essentials of shelter, food and clothing. North-south divide The NBS, a government agency, said there was a paradox at the heart of Nigeria as the economy was going from strength to strength, mainly because of oil production - yet Nigerians were getting poorer. "Despite the fact that the Nigerian economy is growing, the proportion of Nigerians living in poverty is increasing every year, although it declined between 1985 and 1992, and between 1996 and 2004," head of the NBS bureau Yemi Kale said. Nigeria's population in poverty 1980: 17.1 million 1985: 34.7 million 1992: 39.2 million 1996: 67.1 million 2004: 68.7 million 2010: 112.47 million Source: Nigeria's National Bureau of Statistics Oil accounts for some 80% of Nigeria's state revenues but it has hardly any capacity to refine crude oil into fuel, which has to be imported. Last month, there was a nationwide strike when the government tried to remove the subsidy on fuel, angering many Nigerians who see it as the only benefit they received from the country's vast oil wealth. The NBS said that relative poverty was most apparent in the north of the country, with Sokoto state's poverty rate the highest at 86.4%. In the north-west and north-east of the country poverty rates were recorded at 77.7% and 76.3% respectively, compared to the south-west at 59.1%. BBC Africa analyst Richard Hamilton says it is perhaps no surprise that extremist groups, such as Boko Haram, continue to have an appeal in northern parts of the country, where poverty and underdevelopment are at their most severe. The report also revealed that Nigerians consider themselves to be getting poorer. In 2010, 93.9% of respondents felt themselves to be poor compared to 75.5% six years earlier. Mr Kale says releasing such statistics from time to time is crucial for effective government planning. "This kind of data helps them to know what is really happening so they can track their policies and programmes," he told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme. "It gives them the opportunity to look at what they are doing... and if there are areas they need to change, it makes it easier to modify strategies," he added.[/color] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-17015873 |
DriveByKiller:The was in 2013, after the re-basing. In 2015 it grew to around 63.5bn. With the currwent focus of over 6.5 growt rate, the GDP is set to grow to 69billion, year ending 2016. http://data.worldbank.org/country/kenya |
DriveByKiller:You reread the italicized. Is the population opf Kibera really 2.5million? Anyway...... Literacy Rate By Country in Africa 4. Kenya 85.10 . . . . . . . . 21. Nigeria 68.00 http://theafricaneconomist.com/ranking-of-african-countries-by-literacy-rate-zimbabwe-no-1/ Now I understand your problem, you people. |
DriveByKiller:Kenya poverty rate 43% Nigeria poverty rate 70% So much for having the biggest economy! https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2046.html |
DriveByKiller:Shut up and imbibe the facts. Just the facts. You are a man with a forest of words, big words; but with a desert of knowledge. Now, take this below......See wher Nigeria ranks, in this report by the AfDB in relation to Kenya. http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploads/afdb/Documents/Publications/The%20Middle%20of%20the%20Pyramid_The%20Middle%20of%20the%20Pyramid.pdf]Data from AfDB
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DriveByKiller: [size=15pt]Kenya's economy increases by a quarter to join Africa's top 10[/size] [color=#808080]NAIROBI, Sept 30 Kenya's gross domestic product was estimated to be 25 percent bigger after the authorities changed the base calculation year to 2009 from 2001, sending the east African nation into the continent's top 10 economies. Economic output was calculated to be 4.76 trillion shillings ($53.4 billion) in 2013 after the rebasing, up from 3.8 trillion shillings ($42.6 billion), the minister for devolution and planning, Anne Waiguru, told a news conference on Tuesday. That takes Kenya up to ninth in Africa's GDP rankings from 12th, above Ghana, Tunisia and Ethiopia but below oil-producing Sudan based on a World Bank table for 2013. The rebasing exercise means debt levels fall as a proportion of GDP, a closely watched ratio, and could give the government some leeway for more borrowing to help finance its plans to build new transport links and repair creaking infrastructure. But revising the estimated size of GDP does not change Kenya's ability to repay additional loans nor does it mean it has more income to spend on development in a nation where many people are poor, roads are potholed and power supply is scarce. "This gives us a little bit of welcome breathing space ... not an opportunity to open the cash register," said public policy and economic analyst Robert Shaw. As with other rebasings in Africa, the move takes into account structural and other economic changes, such as new technology, and updates the base year for prices. Kenya's GDP revision follows the far more dramatic rebasing earlier this year of Nigeria's economy when it changed the base year from 1990 to 2010 and, as a result, vaulted above South Africa to become Africa's biggest economy. Kenya's rebasing was less pronounced because the gap with 2001 and the new base year of 2009 was shorter. Changes in assessing agriculture, manufacturing and real estate accounted for most of the GDP rise. Technology and related fields are now treated as a standalone sector, taking into account a vibrant industry in Kenya, which has pioneered mobile telephone payments systems and exported the idea across Africa and beyond. The economy could also get a further boost in a few years when commercial oil production is expected to start. With the rebasing, economic growth was revised to 5.7 percent in 2013, up from the previous estimate of 4.7 percent, a figure that had been below expectations and was partly blamed on a spate of militant attacks and a decline in tourism. MIDDLE INCOME NATION "The new numbers are credible and they constitute an important improvement in the economic and statistical knowledge base for Kenya," Diariétou Gaye, the World Bank's country director for Kenya, said, adding that a World Bank team joined other experts conducting a peer review of the rebasing exercise. Based on a debt figure of 2.4 billion shillings released in August after Kenya's heavily oversubscribed, maiden Eurobond, the debt-to-GDP ratio falls to about 50 percent from 57 percent previously, according to a Reuters calculation. Also In Bonds News BRIEF-Cosi preparing for 363 sale process UPDATE 2-China premier says economy improving, debt risks under control But economists said a lower ratio did not mean the government was any better positioned to take out more loans. "Debt service capacity and export growth, neither of which is expected to be substantially revised, are much more important when it comes to being able to take on more debt," Razia Khan, London-based Africa economist at Standard Chartered Bank, said before Tuesday's announcement. With a population of about 44 million people, the new GDP figure implies economic output per capita stands at more than $1,200. That would push Kenya onto the bottom rung of middle income states, according to the World Bank's $1,045 to $12,746 band. A higher income ranking means it might not benefit from some aid designed for the poorest countries, economists say. Conversely, investors may be more attracted to a nation with a population that has more cash to spend, although many investors have already factored that into their calculations. "If you look at the kind of investment flow already attracted by Kenya, the implicit assumption is that investors already treated it as a middle income country," said Khan. The new status and a bigger economy have no direct impact on the lives of ordinary Kenyans, who are frustrated by poor roads and services. "The potholes are still there," said analyst Shaw.[/color] http://www.reuters.com/article/kenya-economy-idUSL6N0RV1Q020140930 |
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DriveByKiller:Power outages in firms in a typical month (number) - Country Ranking http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/IC.ELC.OUTG/rankings |
DriveByKiller:www.therichest.com says: [size=14pt]3. Kibera, Nairobi, Kenya – 2.5 Million kibera-nairobi-kenya[/size] With a population of approximately 2.5 million dwellers, the slum of Kibera, located 7km southwest of Nairobi, consists of 200 settlements and occupies just 6% of Niarobi’s total land. Completely void of any cartographical context, its many unpaved roads see thousands of Kiberians walk many miles to and from work, passing metal homes and stores made from scrap barrels fashioned by hand. Only 20% of Kibera has the luxury of electricity. Water, until only recently, was collected from dam sources ripe with diseases such as typhoid and cholera. Any settler of the Kiberian slum must do without any government-owned hospitals or clinics. Yet the entire population of the whole of Nairobi currently stands at 3.5million people! http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/kenya-population/ I think I have already provided you with a report from the authoritative British newspaper, The Guardian which carried the expose, refuting the claims about Kibera being the largest slum, with that many people..... https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2012/aug/01/africa-propaganda-kibera In that report, it is alleged that those figures are grossly exaggerated by the various unscrupulous NGO's operating there, seeking to dupe the donors into giving them more funds to support their various causes there. In 2009, Kenya conducted its decennial census, in which it established that the population of Kibera was merely 170,000, and not 2000000 as widely claimed,. And the population of Nairobi then was merely 2.8million. http://www.mapkibera.org/blog/2010/09/05/kiberas-census-population-politics-precision/ Looking at the map of Kibera, it is very hard to countenance the claim that upto 1million people would fit into such a small space Look at the map below The second is the picture of the entire Kibera.
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DriveByKiller:Is Africa ranking a reliable source of such facts? You are not sensible at all. http://www.mapkibera.org/blog/2010/09/05/kiberas-census-population-politics-precision/ And did u even bother to go through that exponent list really? https://www.africanexponent.com/post/top-ten-tourist-destinations-in-africa-82 And kindly, do not try to dazzle me with those bombastic vocabularies. They do not make you sound intelligent, they more make you appear rather comical, especially when accompanied with such appalling display of ignorance. |
lezznjr:U are ignorant. This statement of yours is reallly senseless. |
DriveByKiller:Nope, Kenya is one of the most developed countries in Africa. https://www.nairaland.com/51356/nairobi-photos-kenya-beautiful-east And regarding slums in Kenya......it a fallacy that Kenya has the five biggest largest slums in Africa.. The missing millions of Kibera https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2012/aug/01/africa-propaganda-kibera Nope, Morocco, Seychelles, South Africa , Mauritius,Namibia are Africa's top 5 tourist destination. You need to apologise for your fledging ignorance and emboldened stupidity. You parade ignorance in a celebratory manner!Top Tourist Destinations in Africa..... http://www.africa.com/africas-top-10-travel-destinations/ Kenyans are not thin and dark skinned. Just admit your ignorance and move on.
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MtuMsuper:No brother, no need to get a drink over my above statement. I am sorry that you have taken my statement out of context. I by referring to the bantus not being "black", I was of course referring to their complexion, not their race. Perhaps the most appropriate word here should have been "dark" and not black. Some Nigerians have this false assumption that Kenyans are generally dark skinned, and therefore, people like prettiboi1989 get amazed whenever they see a light complexioned Kenyan, like that lady above. It was that false assumption that I was trying to challenge. I am also sorry that I forgot to include the fact that many of these communities have intermarried with each other. Therefore that belief that the people of Kenya are dark-skinned is false. |
prettyboi1989:Kenyans are not black, at least the majority of them! They are mixed, in terms of the shade of their skin colour. Kenya is made up of the following ethnic groups: Bantus, cushites, nilotes and a sizable number of asians and europeans. 65% of the Kenyan population is made up of the bantus. Therefore when you say that Kenyans are black, you are then effectively suggesting that even the South Africans, Zimbabweans, Angolans, Rwandans etc are black, because the countries are largely bantu in terms of ethnic make up. When you say Kenyans are black, then you mean that even the Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Djiboutians are black, because they are largely cushites. Below, is the picture of the Kenya's first family And Sidika, before and after bleaching.
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MPSA:Erm dude, Nairobi is as small as the 4th biggest city in SA. A city of 4.2m, (and perhaps 6m if u include the population ofthe satelite towns) isnt a small city in any way. |
More Nairobi Suburbs, OoDVanguard
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OoDVanguard:More Nairobi Estates https://www.google.com/search?q=nairobi+estates&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbo9ff1enOAhUrJ8AKHapwCHcQ_AUICSgC&biw=1152&bih=731
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OoDVanguard:Nairobi Suburbs
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OoDVanguard:I honestlyxdont understand your point. There are many more skyscrapers located in the other commercial districts whose photo links I have provided above, not all skyscrapers are located within the Nairobi CBD. In fact, did u know that he 5 of the tallest buildings in Kenya are located in the Upper Hill District but not in the CBD? Most new buildings are being constructed in the Upper Hill and Westlands Districts. The newest was opened about 3 months ago, its pic below (and why cant people just copy-paste....I hate this attaching files nonsense!) And speaking of the residential estates....boy,I think we are being disrespectful to the OP who wanted this to be about Abj vs Lagos. But I will yield to your request to post just a few.......
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Now u see OoDVanguard, Nairobi is closer than Lagos to Joburg in terms of development. Even the real estate there is booming so much so that it is even ranked together with the likes of Joburg http://venturesafrica.com/five-african-countries-that-offer-the-greatest-investment-opportunities-in-real-estate/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_estate_in_Kenya |
craziebone:This thread is about Abuja and Lagos, but u can come to this other thread where all those issues regarding Nairobi have been tackled https://www.nairaland.com/51356/nairobi-photos-kenya-beautiful-east/165 |
OoDVanguard:U havent lived in Nairobi, that is very evident in your claim that the skyline is only concentrated in the CBD. U surely arent aware of the other Nairobi Business districts : The Upper Hill District http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=917224&page=68 Westlands District http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=916842&page=31 Hurlingham District http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=951744&page=11 Parklands District http://www.tropicairkenya.com/wp-content/uploads/nairobi-helicopter-1.jpg Nairobi CBD http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=515152&page=266 |
craziebone:Kibera doesnt in any way negate the fact that Nairobi is a one of the most modern cities in Africa, even surpassing Lagos. The last time i checked, virtually all large cities in Africa have slums. The presence of a place like Kibera shouldnt the4 be strange. Ever been tyo Narobi yourself? Welcome http://www.jamiiforums.com/threads/east-africas-capital-nairobi-city-photo-gallery.828603/ |
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slyIsaac:Why dont u show the real pictures of Abuja? |
Dreamwaker:Kenyans know that their country's better than Nigeria in so many ways. Why should they envy Nigeria? You clearly do not understand how the banters begun. It was in 2013. http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/football/Kenyans-Nigerians-wage-tweetwar-ahead-of-fixture/-/1102/1727228/-/item/0/-/152gl4vz/-/index.html |
StepTwo:Ha ha ha... In what ways is Nigeria better than Kenya,m apart from the big GDP and population? http://www.aneki.com/countries2.php?t=Most_Developed_Countries_in_Africa&table=tb12&order=desc&orderby=tb12.value&decimals=--3&dependency=independent&number=all&cntdn=asc&c=africa&measures=Country--human%20development%20index&units=--&file= Nigeria is below Kenya in nearly every aspect!!!!!! |
gud4dbest:KENYA VS NIGERIA POVERTY RATES https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2046.html HUMAN DEVELOPMENT INDEX https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hww9K6wQnuBIfd_HE94cgF36fdTukDYGpTJNzR0 LITERACY RATES http://theafricaneconomist.com/ranking-of-african-countries-by-literacy-rate-zimbabwe-no-1/#.V0RMxBJmazc MIDDLE CLASS SIZE http://geopolis.francetvinfo.fr/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/2015/04/La-classe-moyenne-en-Afrique-en-2010.jpg?itok=dyu3tmTl POWER INTERRUPTION http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/IC.ELC.OUTG/rankings NIGERIA...... ![]() |
StepTwo:Nairobi, Kenya vs Lokoja, Kogi state Nairobi http://www.jamiiforums.com/threads/east-africas-capital-nairobi-city-photo-gallery.828603/page-22 Lokoja http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=881132 Even Lagos is no match to Nairobi!!!! |
