₦airaland Forum

zomoears:
You are trying to be smart by half. Nice try.


"Judges on the Investigatory Powers Tribunal declared in a majority decision that MI5 has the power to permit INFORMANTS to operate in criminal groups, even if the policy itself confers NO LEGAL IMMUNITY. The case focused on powers that were only disclosed last year by then-Prime Minister Theresa May."

Britain’s domestic intelligence service MI5 can authorize its agents to engage in criminal activities, potentially including murder, kidnap and torture, a London court ruled

AkeNathan:
Cc;Aufbauh


You are not wise at all.

The U.K are a very developed Democracy.

Their democracy thrives to the point where recent Governments have never been accused of abuse of power.

In contrast with a country like Nigeria, ridden with a history of presidents who have excessively abused their powers.

It is too early to call for us as a Nation.

Stop clamouring for the introduction into our society, what saner climes introduced into theirs due to their record of transparency. We are not yet ripe for that. And it may take us 200 more years to be.

"Saner climes" who after such number of years and after being touted as very developed democracies actually authorize their security agency to MURDER, KIDNAP and TORTURE.

Maybe to you Murder is self defence or Kidnap is house arrest.

*Sips your brain*

Vortex369:
He will get what he is supporting, I am sure of that.

Agenda 21, is already being implemented in steps and he is not aware of what he is supporting.

You mean Agenda 51 and Agenda 82 right?

*Drinks cool aid*

bizzibodi:
U are sensible col.emeka

NaMeAboki:
When it comes to national security, human rights take 2nd place; countries (like USA & UK etc) that traditionally tout such rights merely pay lip service to it but secretly deal with any threats as ruthlessly as they wish.
Guantanamo prisoners were Al-Qaeda fighters picked up (literally kidnapped) fighting in their own countries (not even on American soil) subsequently labelled as Enemy Combatants, then shipped to prison in Guantanamo Bay, where they had remained for years and never for once been charged for any offence let alone had a day in court to defend themselves; simply because the US govt feels they pose a threat to its national security - Sowere and Kanu were even luckier in Nigeria to have been charged and even granted bail compared to those prisoners.

imam07:
can your spoken English put u ahead of patience Jonathan?

Oh so she is you mentor..

No wonder

*sips Dom Perignon*

linearity:
Click the link and re-read against.

Go beyond the headline which is sensational and a clickbait.

The ruling states, this is for agents in covert operations, that if agent from MI5 is embedded as an infiltrator inside a gang, this ruling states they can act along and carry out the criminal activities of the gang, so that their cover cannot be blown.

To expect otherwise is ludicrous and puts the undercover agents lives in harms way. And this is the practice worldwide and not in anyway a license to kill or to usurp the rights of brits to due process.

If i did not read the link as the OP why did i post exerts of the link as second and 3rd comment?

The interpretation simply says they are authorized to murder, kidnap or Torture as long as it is in line with National security as the protection of the nation is paramount thus they are to achieve this protection of the nation by any means necessary.

It says nothing about them only acting that way when they infiltrate any gang and it can be done even when they do not infiltrate any gang. Are you now adding salt and pepper to the article?

*Sips wine and orders a fresh bottle*

imam07:
there rules and rules still better than your own.

Type in English

*sips wine*

thundafire:
dats wen dey have gotten a convincing reason to do dat after investigation on u so dats it once it deals with dey British territory

There is no reason convincing enough to MURDER, KIDNAP and TORTURE by a nations security agency.

MURDER is not as simple as killing someone in self defence Murder is a crime on its own

Kidnap is not house arrest. kidnap is a crime

What they are saying is that some people are expendable. In other words they are free to murder or kidnap anyone who they feel is standing in the way of National security and the law would back them up.

Rule of law has been thrown in the trash when it comes to National security.

*Sips Champagne*

rusher14:
I read it last night and all I could do was remember my fellow Nigerians who only get sentimental when issues arise.

Please pour me a glass of the Sauvignon, let me sip.

thundafire:
just shut up have u heard MI5 misbehaving like our version do

Yes i have and they are authorized to MURDER YOU (Not kill oo but murder), TO Kidnaps you (not place you on house arrest o), And torture you

Yet they are not misbehaving

*Sips wine*

dalass:
In saner climes, MI5 can't go to invade the privacy a whole High Court with a Judge seated...
Our DSS can do whatever as long as its along espionage lines. Not to harass its own unarmed citizens.

But Mi5 is authorized by their government to KIDNAP, MURDER AND TORTURE

Is that harassment or worse Mr Saner climes?

*sips wine*

Ombudsdabomb:
It is for covert operations and not a license to go against the law.

Same Law that is supposed to take sides with Human rights and be the supporter of the people now authorizes Kidnapping, Murder and Torture for their own DSS yet they are not going against the law

Okay o

*sips wine*

Blackgold007:
in Nigeria they abuse power.

lmao

And in UK and USA where they authorize their own DSS to murder, kidnap and torture they do not abuse power

Una go dey alright las las

*sips wine*

bossinblack:
Well you don't.

The cover of anonymity on Nairaland shouldn't make you irresponsible enough to refer to a total stranger as boy. You're most likely the 'boy' here.

You want some nuts?

Extra puff*

Moniya4Real:
I think I concur with you on your response to the post bro, but the thing is they(the UK &US bring about this laws for the sake of their country and out of sincere patriotism but our problems in Nigeria is that we do not trust ourselves even if the authorised agencies are empowered to do so.

bossinblack:
You're the on who needs understanding. Since the gentle fellow has tried to simplify things further for you. But

bossinblack:
Are you sure you understand what you report
Because Damn! you don't.

Take a puff

Medanoski:
I don't think you understand in what context the judgement was passed. According to the new judgement, the secret service agents are authorized to do this when working undercover. According to the judgement such service agent working undercover in criminal organizations cannot be prosecuted for crimes committed in such line of duty. This is because some of these criminals organizations can order them to sometimes kidnap, torture or even kill people. Pls read it well and don't misinform people. Thank you

Britain’s domestic intelligence service MI5 can authorize its agents to engage in criminal activities, potentially including murder, kidnap and torture, a London court ruled, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s new government prepares to overhaul espionage laws.

Csami:
Did the article also mention that those agents are excellent judge of character and before they engage they are 100% sure.

gare:
Do you see them go to court and arrest people when they do it is called covert and can't be traced back to those in government, theirs is done in an orderly fashion unlike ours.

yes orderly fashion to kidnap, murder and torture

*sips wine*

tunjiajayi:
See am oooo

Anything for the good of the country!
E be like say them dey learn from Buhari or all those British trips na for covert lectures and training from MI5.

IF NA DEM dem for don kill kanu, sowore and co.

Judges on the Investigatory Powers Tribunal declared in a majority decision that MI5 has the power to permit informants to operate in criminal groups, even if the policy itself confers no legal immunity. The case focused on powers that were only disclosed last year by then-Prime Minister Theresa May.

“The case raises one of the most profound issues which can face a democratic society governed by the rule of law, Judge Rabinder Singh said in the ruling.

The decision comes as Johnson seeks to update laws to bring them in line with the U.S. in a crackdown on spies, saboteurs and hackers working for foreign states such as Russia, North Korea and Iran. Preventing MI5 from running agents in criminal organizations “would strike at the core activities of the Security Service,” the judges said.

iamforeveryoung:
Oga try get sense, MI5 agent are like CIA, they dont work on home soil, they are intelligence arm that fight against terrorist and drug dealers. They are not use to victimize innocent harmless citizen. beside read very well, Boris is saying he wants to swash the law that give the power to just kidnap assumed terrorist and torture them.

Bedwyr:
Even then, sport fan, due process at all times. DUE PROCESS.

You cannot just up and jail people because they disagree with the government.

(I'm not in any poltical camp in case you are wondering)

So their due process permits murder, torture and kidnap?

Did i hear you say due process again?

*sips more wine*

Britain’s domestic intelligence service MI5 can authorize its agents to engage in criminal activities, potentially including murder, kidnap and torture, a London court ruled, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s new government prepares to overhaul espionage laws.

Judges on the Investigatory Powers Tribunal declared in a majority decision that MI5 has the power to permit informants to operate in criminal groups, even if the policy itself confers no legal immunity

Human rights campaigning groups including Reprieve had asked the court to grant an injunction “restraining further unlawful conduct.” The request was dismissed in a 3-2 decision, which was also the first time a dissenting opinion has ever been published in the tribunal’s 20-year history, Reprieve said.

“The IPT’s knife-edge judgment, with unprecedented published dissenting opinions, shows just how dubious the government’s secret policy is,” Maya Foa, Reprieve’s director, said in a statement. She said the groups planned to seek permission to appeal.

“The use of covert agents is an essential tool for MI5 as it carries out its job of keeping the country safe,” a spokesman for the Home Office said in a statement.

Britain’s domestic intelligence service MI5 can authorize its agents to engage in criminal activities, potentially including murder, kidnap and torture, a London court ruled, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s new government prepares to overhaul espionage laws.

Judges on the Investigatory Powers Tribunal declared in a majority decision that MI5 has the power to permit informants to operate in criminal groups, even if the policy itself confers no legal immunity. The case focused on powers that were only disclosed last year by then-Prime Minister Theresa May.

“The case raises one of the most profound issues which can face a democratic society governed by the rule of law, Judge Rabinder Singh said in the ruling.

The decision comes as Johnson seeks to update laws to bring them in line with the U.S. in a crackdown on spies, saboteurs and hackers working for foreign states such as Russia, North Korea and Iran. Preventing MI5 from running agents in criminal organizations “would strike at the core activities of the Security Service,” the judges said.

The tribunal cited the agency’s own guidelines to agents and handlers that said the authorization “will be the service’s explanation and justification of its decision,” if the agent’s activities were to be scrutinized by police or other prosecution authorities.

Human rights campaigning groups including Reprieve had asked the court to grant an injunction “restraining further unlawful conduct.” The request was dismissed in a 3-2 decision[/color], which was also the first time a dissenting opinion has ever been published in the tribunal’s 20-year history, Reprieve said.

“The IPT’s knife-edge judgment, with unprecedented published dissenting opinions, shows just how dubious the government’s secret policy is,” Maya Foa, Reprieve’s director, said in a statement. She said the groups planned to seek permission to appeal.

“The use of covert agents is an essential tool for MI5 as it carries out its job of keeping the country safe,” a spokesman for the Home Office said in a statement.

SoNature:
Apparently, Toyota chose Ghana over Nigeria because they have relatively stable power.

What can a manufacturer possibly do without electricity?

More importantly, stop bragging with that big market nonsense because Nigerians rarely buy new cars.

A vast majority of Nigerians buy imported fairly used cars from United States and elsewhere in the world.