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BAILMONEY:
God did not send prophets just to tell us about the past. He sent them to mankind as a mercy and as a warner to guide people to the right path. They sometimes remind us of past events, but it is mainly to teach lessons and to show the signs of our Lord. For example, the stories of Pharaoh, Sodom and Gomorrah, and others are there as signs and lessons for us.

But when someone starts talking about things like how Moses killed Og, the king of Bashan, or how Lazarus, the short man, climbed a tree to see Jesus, that becomes just ordinary history. These kinds of details belong to the sayings and the life of the prophets. The main purpose of the prophets is to guide people, warn them, and show them the signs of God, not just to tell stories about the past.

If the stories are true, there’s no reason we shouldn’t discuss them.
If the stories were not important or useful for people, they would not have been included in the Bible. Thank God they were written down so we can have a clear picture.

QuinQ:
Angels are spiritual beings. Sexual urges (meant for procreation) don't exist in the spiritual realm because they are immortal. Their pleasure is a million times better than sex. Infact Jesus implies they're neither male nor female.
In Matthew 22:30 and Luke 20:34-38, Jesus states that in the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage, but will be like the angels in heaven.

Yes they couldn't do that in heaven, that's why they came to earth to do it!

BAILMONEY:
Na history book the guy dey quote, so nor take am serious

He quoted the bible though

tctrills:
Isaiah declared in Isaiah 9:6 that Jesus Christ is The everlasting Father. To become a father, one must have children, so it is important to ask, who are the Children of Jesus Christ? Secondly, from the verse, we learn that He is no ordinary father, He is The everlasting Father. What makes His fatherhood everlasting?

You didn't ask about his wife

Melagros:
COMRADES, I went out looking for something, lo and behold! These are the signposts that greeted/ welcomed or received me when I arrived at this street:

1.Christ Choosen Church Of God

2.Power Deliverance Ministry

3.Seventh Day Adventist Church

4.Evangelism Worship And Mission

5.Celestial Church Of God

6.Divine Bible Church

7.The Redeemed Christians Church Of God

8.Saint Mulumba Catholic Church

9.Ropheka Bible Church

10.Miracles And Prayers Bible Church

11.Witness Nation Church

12.Deeper Life Bible Church

13.Pillar Of Liberation Ministry

14.City Of Refuge

14.Covenant Of The Cross Church

15.Foundation Faith Church

16.Assemblies Of God Church

17.Greater Evangelism

18.Glorious House Of Faith Church

19.Mountain Of Fire And Miracle Ministry

20.Christ Embassy

21. Salvation Ministries etc etc

Kindly check, if your church is not found here, I think, I'll suggest you should try to go and open/ launch a branch there, because, it's obvious that the neighbourhood is in dare need of places of worship rather than factories to curb unemployment. Meanwhile, na tiny neighbourhood oo.

Lol no be churches or pastors cause unemployment na
The founders of those churches are trying to survive too I guess

MetalJigsaw:
Here is how Jesus is in heaven based on biblical descriptions:

*Physically Present: Jesus did not discard his human body; he ascended with a body of "flesh and bones" that is immortal, capable of entering heaven, yet still bears the scars of his crucifixion.

* Reigning as King: He is actively reigning from his throne as King of Kings and Lord of all creation.
Interceding for Believers: He serves as the Great High Priest and Advocate for believers, mediating between them and God.

* Preparing a Place: He is preparing a dwelling place for his followers.

Visible Presence: While in heaven, he is also described as being present with believers on earth through the Holy Spirit.

So who was Jesus before he came to earth? And what was the father to him before he came to the world?

You didn't attend to this questions

MetalJigsaw:
Jeremiah 32 v 27:


"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?".

Since Jesus came into the world and taking on flesh, the father becomes his God in that manner. However this doesn't diminish Christs divinity, because he shares the same divine properties with the Father and his Spirit.

Is Jesus still in flesh in heaven? YES

So there's flesh in heaven now? Thought only spirit beings are in heaven.

So who was Jesus before he came to earth? And what was the father to him before he came to the world?

Dtruthspeaker:
Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?
Then go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

You don't need anyone to tell you that the giver will always be greater than the receiver. It's a simple logic. The relationship between Joseph and Pharaoh in Egypt perfectly explains that!

MetalJigsaw:
You don join am?🤣🤣🤣 So una plenty?😂

This was never about joining a side here.


Scripture clearly and directly identifies the Father as the one true God. God Almighty is self-sufficient. He doesn't need other persons to complete Him or help Him function. The Trinity was never taught by Jesus or the Apostles. It is a doctrine invented by men, forced onto Scripture centuries later through heated councils and deliberate manipulation. As a result of that, millions of sincere people brainwashed into worshipping a three-headed God never described anywhere in the Bible.

MetalJigsaw:
You lie about tne Holy Bible without no single shame and its not doing you any good at al. I pity your children sha😥

Show me where Jesus says he is just one of God's sons, instead of The Only Begotten Son of God. Show us the verse.

Being the only begotten son means is a unique son, which suggests that there are other sons but only Jesus is unique, one of a kind. You can go do research on what "begotten" means.

Job 38:7
"When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy"

MaxInthehouse already gave you other verses that show that angels are God's sons too.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do they not say so?

No they didn't
They show Jesus as an agent of creation!
Creation was carried out THROUGH him by God Almighty who is the CREATOR.

Dtruthspeaker:
As I said, you are too fixxated on trinity meanwhile the header does not say trinity

The thread is about Trinity ser

Dtruthspeaker:
You are too stuck on trinity that you do not see that i never said anything about Trinity. So, all these are Off Point.

Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3 too and other scriptures has already settled that Jesus is our Creator

You replied to a trinity post though..

Take this part:
Scripture consistently shows Jesus as God's agent of creation, not co-creator or creator. Hebrews 1:2, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Proverbs 8:30, John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 all use the preposition 'through', meaning Jesus acted on behalf of someone greater.
An agent is subordinate by definition. God is the source, Jesus is the channel.

Mosco100:
You can see the Trinity here:

“ And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”(Matthew 3:16,17).

What I see is the true God (the Father) speaking from heaven to his only begotten Son, whom he sent as our Messiah. God was complete in heaven. He didn't need another person to complete him or form a 'three in one' God. A God who needs two others to be complete is not Almighty, he's dependent. The Father alone is the Almighty God, self-sufficient and complete.

Mosco100:
Father, Son and Holy Spirit, God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity!

The Bible is clear, God is ONE person, the Father. 1 Corinthians 8:6 states it explicitly. Are you saying Paul was lying or confused? Jesus and the Apostles never believed or taught that God exists in three persons. That doctrine came from men centuries later, not from Scripture. The Father alone is God Almighty.

MetalJigsaw:
If you're still arguing against Jesus divinity in 2026 then I have nothing to say to you.

If you still believe in trinity in 2026, I'm seriously sorry for you!

The inspired Apostles and Jesus himself never believed or taught the Trinity. Why should I accept a doctrine developed centuries later through heated political debate at Nicaea in 325 AD? If it were truly biblical, the men who walked with Jesus would have taught it clearly. They didn't because it wasn't there.

They believed "the Father is the ONE TRUE GOD"
1 Corinthians 8:5,6
John 17:3

Do you read and pay attention to the Bible at all?

Dtruthspeaker:
Grant of authority to be "Like God" is not the same as "being God"!

Thank you!
So it means Jesus is not God too since God granted him all the authority.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did they add Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3 too?

If Trinity is truly biblical, why manufacture evidence? The insertion of 1 John 5:7, absent from ALL early manuscripts, exposes the desperation behind Trinitarian theology.
Scripture consistently shows Jesus as God's agent of creation, not co-creator. Hebrews 1:2, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Proverbs 8:30, John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 all use the preposition 'through', meaning Jesus acted on behalf of someone greater.
An agent is subordinate by definition. God is the source, Jesus is the channel. That's not Trinity, that's a clear hierarchy..

Hence, Jesus is not God, he is God's unique Son. This is consistent throughout Scripture. Jesus prayed TO God, was sent BY God, was raised BY God, and even said 'the Father is greater than I am.' A person cannot be greater than himself. The Bible's testimony is clear and consistent, Son and Father are distinct beings, not one or three in one.

Mosco100:
JESUS IS GOD.

JESUS IS GOD THE SON(John 1:1;1 John 5:7).

JESUS IS JESUS(YHWH/JEHOVAH SAVES).

JESUS IS EMMANUEL(GOD WITH US)(Matthew 1:23).

JESUS IS THE AMEN(Revelation 3:14).

1 John 5:7 was added by Trinitarians, it's absent from ALL early Greek manuscripts. Even most modern Bibles removed it. Scholars call it the 'Comma Johanneum', a deliberate insertion. Also, the phrase 'God the Son' appears absolutely nowhere in Scripture.

Jesus is simply God's son. God's unique son.
God the Father, is one true God. 1 Corinthians 8:5,6. John 17:3

MetalJigsaw:
S.a.t.a.n has really blinfolded your reasoning.

Jesus came to relieve us of sin because no mere mortal can erase the sins of others, its only God. Therefore Jesus is God just like the Father and the Spirit. Period.

Tell me more!
What does John 20:22-23 suggest?

Does that mean the disciples were Gods too?

MaxInDHouse:
You people just love deceiving yourselves!
So when you work it's bag of rice you're expecting?😀

Lol

tctrills:
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I am really advising you to do the right thing bro. It's actually for your own good.
We can disagree but we don't have to go to war about it.
Please apologise
.

Apologize for what?

tctrills:
So, you would accuse me, have nothing to prove it and refuse to apologise. Yes it's been 3 years but since you claim I have been dishonest, you should be able to remember at least one instance.
I still advise that you humble yourself and apologise. It's the decent thing to do. No one is above mistake. You made a mistake, just say you are sorry.

Ok

tctrills:
Oga the say the internet never forgets. If I have lied or been dishonest with you please expose me but if not, you owe me an apology.

I don't owe you any apology ser and I won't waste my time searching for old posts. I would rather go watch a movie.
When i brought it up then, you denied it. So it doesn't even matter right now. Been 3 years fgs.

Gabrielshow24:
I figured as much 🥱.

We’ve certainly been down this road before. You adopted the same 'unimpressed🤨' stance typical of your predecessors: Janosky, Max, falseSeeker10, and Michael547. As per usual, it ended in total collapse 😂.

Janosky fled the moment he painted himself into a corner—hardly a surprise 👀, as it’s his signature move.😂 "falseSeeker10" attempted to weaponize 'Aristotelian inquiry' as a smokescreen for his exit 😂. Then there’s Max, who played goalkeeper by moving the goalposts at whim; 'erratic' is the only way to describe such a commitment to irrationality 🤨.

You lot bring very funny memories😂.

Lol. What did we talk about ?
I can't really recall..

tctrills:
In my discussion with you, I have been completely honest. But even if I haven't, using that as your excuse to be malicious and to attempt to give me a bad name is just another play from the JW play book. I was dumb not to expect it from you.

Lol

Gabrielshow24:
Oh, look at you—retreating into the 'You’re a Liar' bunker! How adorable. 😂😂😂 Honestly, say whatever you need to say to soothe that bruised ego. 🥱

If I’ve been so 'dishonest,' it should be remarkably easy for you to provide the receipts. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Tag me when you find these 'contradictory threads,' or are they hidden in the same place as the 1975 prophecies? 🤨

I see you’ve truly embraced the spirit of your 'fathers'—making things up on the spot when the facts get a little too uncomfortable. It’s a bold strategy, but unfortunately, lying won't get you a higher seat in the Kingdom🤧; it just exposes that you’ve run out of actual arguments😮‍💨.

'The world would be a better place if we were all JWs'? Sure, if you consider a world without blood transfusions, birthdays, or independent thought a 'better place👀🥱.' A world where everyone just nods in unison while the 'Governing Body👀' changes the 'Truth' every few decades😂? No thanks, I prefer a world where "words" actually have meanings.

Don't just throw out vague accusations like a jilted ex🥱. Show the proof or keep the fan-fiction to yourself. Until then, you’re just providing the 'theatrics' I’ve come to expect from your camp. 👀🥱

Lol na birthday be your problem?
Na birthday go solve the wars and conflicts happening all over the world? See person wey I wan de reason with ó.
Science has passed blood transfusion, there are better and safer practices lol.

And i was referring to tctrills for been dishonest not you... I'm not sure we had discussions before but your name sounds familiar..

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Gabrielshow24:
Of Course, I’m well acquainted with their particular brand of "intellectual parkour" 😂. It’s not exactly a "new light" revelation—more like a recurring fever dream featuring the usual suspects👀: Max, Janosky, and the aptly named "falseSeeker10👀," not to mention their mini-me, "cornelboy." It’s a regular rogue's gallery of logic-defiers🤧.

Just thinking about them is a nostalgic trip down a very funny memory lane😂:

-> Janosky’s Botany: Where trees aren't just plants, they’re apparently angels in disguise 😂🤕. Talk about hugging a tree for the wrong reasons.

->Max’s Identity Crisis: The "warrior in heaven, lamb on earth" routine. He’s managed to stretch the fallacy of equivocation so thin you can see the Michael-shaped holes in his Christology😔.

->falseSeeker10’s Hierarchy: The gold medal for "Accidental Blasphemy" goes to the claim that Jesus is the King of Kings, but his Father is merely the "Prince of Princes." Because, you know, words don't actually have meanings.😂😂😂

Their entire doctrinal house of cards is a masterclass in topsy-turvy theology. It’s a spectacular pileup of contradictions built to sustain a god who seems entirely dependent on their latest footnotes to function.

Honestly, don't bother yourself with their lies🤧.

You just de sound like AI

tctrills:
I have nothing more to say to you.
I have debated with people from all religions and beliefs but the JW and the most poorly behaved and dishonest.

The fruits of your organisation are dishonesty and poverty. That's all you offer to the world.

But it's ok. Take care of yourself.

Gabrielshow24


We’ve gone back and forth on this platform, and I can say you’ve been dishonest. You’ve lied a couple of times, denying what you said in one thread in another.

The world would be a better place if we were all JWs

tctrills:
You could have just asked me. I believe both in the bible and God. Do not bear false witness.
Honestly, I thought you were a bit different, I thought you had some integrity unlike your group but you clearly don't.
Every discussion I have had with you has been based only on the bible. It's ok if you do not mention me but telling lies about me, that's just a shame. Shame on you. You people have no limits. This really offended me just so you know.

Gabrielshow24, I mentioned you so that you will see the evil people you are discussing with.
These guys are devilish. They have no limits nor respect.

What church do you attend now lol?

Gabrielshow24:
Don't waste your time on these people. They are just rehashing old arguments, looking for new, unfamiliar prey to use them on. All these have been thrashed out extensively in several threads. They have lost every time🥱.

I think one of these people: Dtruthspeaker, tctrills, tenQ should have a compendium or a list of questions which till date, they have failed to provide an answer to. For example, Janosky is still yet to answer whether his God could do anything by himself👀. It's been almost two years now🥱.

Save your strength, my bro. That's how wolves are🤨. They appear as sheep until when exposed then they run away to some other place and run their old scripts again😂.

When you mentioned Dtruthspeaker and tctrills, I figured you weren’t being serious 😅
tctrills doesn’t even believe in the Bible or God, and Dtruthspeaker just likes to argue aimlessly