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GothamCities:
They faught real battles. This particular angel didn't fight Satan. He just simply grabbed him like a fowl and cast him into prison.

On another one on one encounter with Satan in the book of Daniel, Michael fought really hard.

You think that angel is more powerful than archangel Michael?

Gabrielshow24:
Does it seem like I lied? can't you see what your beloved master, Janosky, alluded to? 🤣🤣

Like master like servant!!!
Both are blind!!!

A blind man leading another will both fall into a ditch🤣🤣🤣

Lol
Seems you needs your glass
No where did Janosky say all other creation are angels.
You don't seem to have any proof.

I love this games 😹😹

GothamCities:
That's even in Christ's manly body o.

Have the JWs seen the scriptures below or they're feigning blindness?

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years" (Revelation 20:1-2).


Do JWs think that this angel in this scripture who caught Satan like a fowl is mightier than Jesus? Angel Michael couldn't catch Satan this way.

JWs are liars!

Wasn't it Michael that defeated Satan and his angels in heaven?

Rev 12:7-10

Lol
Obsession

Gabrielshow24:
You keep heaping shame on your master, Janosky!!!

That was his formulation 😂😂😂...
It's littered in his write-ups except if you too like Max have selective amnesia 👀 ...

Now two acclaimed members of JW are conflicting in message😂😂😂

What about their acclaimed unity? 🤔
All, a facade😂😂😂...

You can make yourself happy all you want 😹😹
Bloody liar

StillDtruth:
Off Point.

But even if I patronise you, you still would not have any valid thing to say.

Your own Hebrews 6:1 has answered it

Hebrew 1 NIV[i]
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]

Which clearly means that Jesus was with God, His Father and His Companion is God, His Father. Which John 1 and Proverbs 8 confirm.

So, as I said, you do not have any valid thing to say despite all your satanic group's attempt to sell your Lies by doctoring your own evil bibles.

Who were his fellows according Hebrew 1:9

Why is it hard for you haha

MaxInDHouse:
You are punishing him o, remember there is God o, you know he has been stuck in his own folly you're now rubbing it in his face.

This is not nice o!

I just want an answer

MaxInDHouse:
You sef dey fall my hand!

Apostates that have seen the light before turning their back on light to face darkness.

These people are inside darkness from the onset so they can't see a single thing!

Naso
Me I just talk am as the guy de yan nonsense

MaxInDHouse:
You this man you like trouble too much.

Abeg mek i helep dem change wetin NIV tok to mek dem hapi

"You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” ‭Hebrews 1:9 NIV

Sorry this one don pour sand inside their gari.

Why this translators come tok like say Jesus get another person wey pass am nah?
And why this translators no call those people him creatures?
Why dem com say na him companions?

Abeg remind me wetin be the meaning of that word CO, CO, "COMPANION"‬

I'll keep asking until he answers haha
Matt 7;7

StillDtruth:
Off Point.

And no, you own words have proven that He is not.

Whether off point or not, who were Jesus's fellow at Hebrew 1:9?

Gabrielshow24:
Jesus is your master? 🤨
That's a ridiculous thing to say from you.

Also What did you think, your master, Janosky, implied? 🤔

Now one is saying the whole of creation are angels , while another one is saying otherwise!!

What then is now the difference between you and the other denominations you spite, if you can't even agree amidst you?? 🤨

Pathetic hypocrites!!!

@MaxInDHouse
I'm just seeing this sef lol

Oya show us where I or any of my brothers here said all creations are angels?

Bloody liar. Una own past apostates o

StillDtruth:
Please stop talking rubbish.

You have already stated and admitted that "Jesus is God's firstborn son, unique and the only being created by God directly".

Having admitted that Jesus was The Only one created by God, you therefore confirm John 1:3 that it was Jesus Christ Who created "all things", including the angels, which is why we see the angels bow to Him.

And not just based on the fact that God Commanded them to do so.

So, since He created them, He is not their fellow!!!

And finally, from your statement "when God brings his firstborn into the world" you confirmed that Jesus Christ was not even with them. For, He was with God, exactly as John Said.

So at no time was He their fellow nor did He keep company with them!

So clearly Archangel Michael, is clearly An Angel known as Michael and not Jesus Christ.

I will ask again, who were the fellows Hebrew 1:9 talks about?

What was Jesus identity before he came to earth?

It makes sense that Jesus is the archangel, he is very powerful and leads other angels.

Gabrielshow24:
Jesus is your master? 🤨
That's a ridiculous thing to say from you.

Also What did you think, your master, Janosky, implied? 🤔

Now one is saying the whole of creation are angels, while another one is saying otherwise!!

What then is now the difference between you and the other denominations you spite, if you can't even agree amidst you?? 🤨

Pathetic hypocrites!!!

Lol bàbà rest
If you no understand ask

MaxInDHouse:
Did i hear you say "stay off"?

Ọmọ this one is ready to fight you if you can be seen o!

Ah ó tii dáa
Èmi náà ò sá lọ

I de here

johnw47:
false jw cornyboy, Jesus companions at verse 9 is His fellow man, not angels

9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
do you think the Holy Angels didn't love righteousness and hate wickedness, the same as Jesus

6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world
it's about when Jesus was in the world, a Man
Jesus companions in the world are His fellow man, of which some of his fellow man don't love righteousness and some don't hate wickedness like Jesus, therefore God set Jesus above His companions

Nairaland ai

StillDtruth:
So Jw seeing that he had nothing to say moved post and said



Off Point.

The Topic is not Jesus Christ's companions.

Thus, it is settled that you Jws are Lying in Denying Christ Jesus and blaspheming Him in calling Him an angel even after you have confessed that "angels worship Him." and that "He is above them".

That's why he's the archangel. God set him above his fellows/companions. Of course he is greater than the rest of the angels but he's not equal to God In anyway

Now about worship, what does it mean to worship God in spirit and truth?
Who did Jesus say we should worship in spirit and truth?

Falling down and bowing to someone is what true worship is all about?

Gabrielshow24:
I thought, one of your masters - Janosky - alluded to people being angels!

Also, I thought Max's usual rhetorics is that you all agree and are of one mind🤨..

Is that also a lie🤨?

Jesus is my master.

I'm not an angel, did Janosky tell you he's an angel?

Please if you don't have tangible things to contribute, you might wanna stay off my post.

Gabrielshow24:
Then are you not "an angel"? 🤨

I'm not angel

Gabrielshow24:
Are you not part of the "other" borns? 🤨

Of course

Gabrielshow24:
Even though, for the sake of simplicity. I dignify, your out of context use of firstborn🤧.

I hope to see what you plan to achieve from this🤔!!!

You have no business here I guess

Gabrielshow24:
What then is your definition of companions? 🤨

KJV
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Kjv used "fellow"

Dictionary meaning of fellow;
(also, attributively) A person or thing comparable in characteristics with another person or thing; especially, as belonging to the same class or group.

If Jesus is the firstborn or first begotten, so who are other borns?

StillDtruth:
So, they never even got a chance to be His companions[/b].

So, you have no ground!

So who were his companions?

MaxInDHouse:
Please say "Hi" to me on Whatsapp i lost your contact after changing my phone.

Okay ser

StillDtruth:
https://www.nairaland.com/8348639/spoke-moses/3#134301182

Did you not see Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11.

Or when He grew up, Mark 5:6.

Do you not see that the angels declined honour and rejected worship?

Hebrew 1 NIV[i]
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]
8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]
[/i]

I'm more interested in verse 9, who were Jesus's companions? And why did God set him above them?

This shows that Jesus is in the same category or group with the rest of the angels but God set him above them, why?

Because Jesus is God's firstborn son. He's very unique because he is the only being created by God directly. He's got only begotten son.

So that's why in some cases Jesus allow people to bow down to him but this is different from the worship we exclusively give to God in spirit and truth. Have you seen God and bowed down to him before?
Worship is way more than just bowing down to someone.

John 4:23,25

StillDtruth:
Now you are behaving like Satan and being a serpent.

First, I pointed out that people bowed down and worshipped Him. 2 things they did

But here you are stretching and bowing down to Ooni and trying to twist it and pin it on me.

Whereas no where did I say bowing down means worshipping them.

So if you have no reasonable thing to say against the fact that Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11 and when He grew up, Mark 5:6 where all angels declined honour and rejected worship., then go in your shame and tell your Jw congregation that they are Liars and children of Satan.

The worship he received is same as worshipping the Father in spirit and in truth right?

Is paying homage to someone all what worship is about??

tctrills:
Don't worry, let me make it so simple so you will catch up

Yes, the Father is the One True God and so is the Son just as you believe the Father is the one Saviour and so is his Son. Apply the same knowledge to this.
The Bible tells us that Jehovah is the Everlasting Father but yes he has a Father. Let's Look at some verses to learn what the bible says about Jehovah.
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

Here Jehovah tells Moses that he came to Abraham using someone else name and not his name Jehovah. This clearly tells you that they are two very different people. The bible can't be more direct than this.

Even David in Psalm 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

David had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus was his Lord.

Let's look at many other examples

Jehovah Is the Lord of the Sabbath
Genesis 2:2-3 – "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it."

Jehovah established the Sabbath at Creation.
Exodus 20:10-11 – "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God... For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

The Sabbath belongs to Jehovah.
Isaiah 58:13 – "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honorable..."

Jehovah calls the Sabbath 'My holy day.'

Jesus Christ Is the Lord of the Sabbath
Matthew 12:8 – "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."
Mark 2:28 – "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
Luke 6:5 – "And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
If the Sabbath belongs to Jehovah, yet Jesus declares Himself the Lord of the Sabbath, then Jesus is Jehovah.

. Both Jesus and Jehovah Are Pierced
Jehovah Says He Will Be Pierced:

Zechariah 12:10 – "And I (Jehovah) will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced."
Jesus Was Pierced:

John 19:37 – "And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced."
Jehovah declares He will be pierced, but in the New Testament, Jesus is the one pierced—proving that Jesus is Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Receive the Same Worship in Heaven
Jehovah Is Worshiped in Heaven:

Revelation 4:8-11 – "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come... Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power."
Jesus Is Worshiped in Heaven:

Revelation 5:11-14 – "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing... And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshiped him that liveth forever and ever."
If only Jehovah is to be worshiped, yet Jesus receives equal worship, then Jesus is Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Are Lord of Lords
Jehovah:

Deuteronomy 10:17 – "For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible."
Psalm 136:3 – "O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth forever."
Jesus:

Revelation 17:14 – "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings."
Revelation 19:16 – "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
If Jehovah alone is Lord of Lords, yet Jesus is called Lord of Lords, then Jesus is Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Judge the World
Jehovah the Judge:

Joel 3:12 – "Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about."
Jesus the Judge:

John 5:22 – "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son."
Acts 17:31 – "Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."
If Jehovah is the only Judge, yet Jesus is the Judge of all, then Jesus must be Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Are the Shepherd of God's People
Jehovah the Shepherd:

Psalm 23:1 – "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want."
Ezekiel 34:11-12 – "For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out."
Jesus the Shepherd:

John 10:11 – "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
Hebrews 13:20 – "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep."
If Jehovah is the only Shepherd, yet Jesus is also the Shepherd, then Jesus must be Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Created the World
Jehovah Created the Universe:

Isaiah 44:24 – "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself."
Jesus Created the Universe:

John 1:1-3 – "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Colossians 1:16-17 – "For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."
If Jehovah created everything alone, yet Jesus is the Creator of all things, then Jesus must be Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Are Worshiped as God
Jehovah Commands Worship:

Deuteronomy 6:13 – "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
Isaiah 42:8 – "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another."
Jesus Receives Worship:

Matthew 14:33 – "Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."
John 20:28 – "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
Hebrews 1:6 – "And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."
If Jehovah alone is to be worshiped, yet Jesus is rightfully worshiped, then Jesus must be Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Are the First and the Last
Jehovah:

Isaiah 44:6 – "Thus saith the Lord (Yahweh), the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
Jesus:

Revelation 1:17-18 – "Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore."
Revelation 22:13 – "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Jehovah alone is the First and the Last, yet Jesus takes this same title, proving He is Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Are the Only Savior
Jehovah as the Only Savior:

Isaiah 43:11 – "I, even I, am the Lord (Yahweh), and beside me there is no savior."
Jesus as the Only Savior:

Acts 4:12 – "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Titus 2:13 – "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
If Jehovah is the only Savior, yet Jesus is also the only Savior, then Jesus must be Jehovah.

Both Jesus and Jehovah Are Called "I AM"
Jehovah in the Old Testament:

Exodus 3:14 – "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
Jehovah declares His eternal self-existence with the name “I AM”.
Jesus in the New Testament:

John 8:58 – "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
Jesus applies Jehovah’s "I AM" name to Himself, showing His eternal nature.
Jesus claims the divine name "I AM," identifying Himself as Jehovah.

If you can't make your point in 2 to 3 paragraph forget it

And Jesus is not the one true God and nor is he the one Savior.

And for Exodus 6:3, Jehovah revealed him as the God Almighty and did reveal his name and he later revealed his name to Moses.

That's God Almighty not Jesus

immaculatesense:
You just box yourself sir.
If the Hebrew word for theos is El or Elohim (Which I agree)


Then the question you left unanswered is WHAT IS YAHWEH (JEHOVAH) IN GREEK? SIMPLE.

Abi the Jews abandoned Yahweh (Jehovah) when they started speaking adopted Greek Aramaic?
What is YAHWEH IN GREEK? OOOO

Jehovah is not same as Theos

Jehovah is the proper name for my God.

StillDtruth:
Now you have post to carrying the Law and all when no one mentioned any of these things.

And you have no thread stating directly that Islam is evil.

Let's just leave the issue.

Oya na

StillDtruth:
Now you are behaving like Satan and being a serpent.

First, I pointed out that people bowed down and worshipped Him. 2 things they did

But here you are stretching and bowing down to Ooni and trying to twist it and pin it on me.

Whereas no where did I say bowing down means worshipping them.

So if you have no reasonable thing to say against the fact that Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11 and when He grew up, Mark 5:6 where all angels declined honour and rejected worship., then go in your shame and tell your Jw congregation that they are Liars and children of Satan.

They paid homage to him. Nothing else

They didn't render worship to him as they did to God.

Worship In spirit and truth is not all about bowing down to someone.

Hope you get it?

tctrills:
I just did the research and provided you with the source. Or do you mean something else when you say research?

This wasn't for you

immaculatesense:
Me, research?
You don't know me.

Okay.
If Yahweh (Jehovah) is Hebrew, What is the Greek equivalent?

Thanks.

The Hebrew equivalent for "theos" should be El/Elohim.

I won't do your research for you.

StillDtruth:
The lines were you were using the Truth of Christianity not being a bad religion to cover try to cover Islam being a bad religion.

And your present answer in not declaring that Islam is indeed a bad religion proves it.

There is no sitting on the fence here, if you are not for Christ, you are an enemy of Christ.

Learn from the pharisees

They seem to "carry the law in head" yet they go against the law and do things contrary to the law.

Now did their actions mean that Judaism or the law is bad?

Check my previous threads, I have shared many post about Islam, but I don't do that anymore. I'm focused on teaching people the scriptures.