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tctrills:
You began with a false premise. Please edit your title.
Joseph did not have the same authority as Jesus Christ.
If you had said, Joseph's authority had similarities with that of Christ, then no one will debate you.
No human had or will ever have the authority of Christ.
Lastly, the bible already tells you that the Word is God so again saying Jesus Christ is not God is false.
So clearly, you sold two falsehoods.

Now, this may be out of the scope of your topic but when the bible calls Jesus Christ the Everlasting Father, let me ask you, who are his Children?

Oh it's you lol

Let's start with this, I'm a jehovah witness, what's your religion?

tctrills:
You began with a false premise. Please edit your title.
Joseph did not have the same authority as Jesus Christ.
If you had said, Joseph's authority had similarities with that of Christ, then no one will debate you.
No human had or will ever have the authority of Christ.
Lastly, the bible already tells you that the Word is God so again saying Jesus Christ is not God is false.
So clearly, you sold two falsehoods.

Now, this may be out of the scope of your topic but when the bible calls Jesus Christ the Everlasting Father, let me ask you, who are his Children?

My post is just a comparison between both Jesus and Joseph. That's all

When i said "Jesus is not God", I meant is Jesus is not the Father, he's not the same person as the father. Only the Father is the one God.

immaculatesense:
I respect and understand your point sir. Whether you put 'a' of not, we both agree that Jesus is divine which the words 'elohim' and 'theos' (god) stand for. Also, we both agree that the Father is the Only One True God and He is greater than Jesus who is his son and Messiah.
If we all can agree on this, I believe the argument of the deity or divinity of Jesus is settle and the argument of the Father being his superior and his God as Jesus himself confess is simple. Let's put it this way so we can all agree.

Thanks.

JESUS IS GREATER AND GOD TO ALL OTHER CREATURE AND THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN ALL CREATION INCLUDING JESUS AND THE SUPREME GOD OVER ALL WHOM JESUS HIMSELF IS SUBJECT TO IN ALL THINGS.

On point
Unlike the trinity doctrine going around in churches today

MaxInDHouse:
Being with God from the beginning does not and will never make Jesus equal to God!

Anyone could have gotten that privilege as the firstborn of all creations! Colossians 1:15-16
Your own senior brother who is the first born of your parents may have some privileges more than you do because he has being with your parents before you that does not make him equal to either your dad or mum!

You nailed it ser

immaculatesense:
Sir, I respect your view and I have the same view too. But let me help you to create a balance. Your view is correct but not complete. Let me answer or rephrase your thoughts one after another.
1. Is Jesus same as God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus same as the Father? The answer is NO. I will clarify this in my last paragraph.
2. Is Jesus equal to God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus equal to the Father? The answer is NO. He was only equal 'with' not 'to' the Father. I will also clarify this in my last paragraph.
3. Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural? The answer is YES. But has the Trinity doctrine been rightly taught the way the scriptures viewed it by most denomination? The answer is NO.

MY LAST PARAGRAPH
The word 'god'-'elohim' (note that there is not capital letters in Hebrew and Greek) is a plural word that is used for anyone divine or special. Angels were known as 'god' in the biblical period. Study the story of Jacob wrestling with god (angel) Genesis 32:30. Remember Manoah and his wife saw an angel and the said they saw 'god'- Judges 13:22. There are numerous examples of angels been regarded as God all across the scriptures but those two examples are clear enough for that.
Men were also called god. Remember that even the Father through his angel called Moses god (elohim) unto pharaoh and Aaron his prophet- Exodus 7:1. Abraham was called 'god' (elohim) by the Canaanites, even though some versions changed it to 'mighty' and some 'prince' but the original Hebrew word was 'elohim.'- Genesis 23:6. In Psalms the writer clearly stated that 'elohim sits on his throne in the heavenly court and judges among the elohim- Psalm 82:1.
Jesus is god (elohim-) because he is divine/deity but he is not the Father- the one and only god who alone is above all. Jesus is below him but superior to all other god.
In the true Bible teaching of the Trinity, just like the word Bible is not in the scriptures, the word Trinity is not in the scriptures but the Father who alone is supreme and above all sent his son Jesus on a salvation mission (John 3:16-18) and after fulfilling the mission the Father through Jesus sent the holy spirit to guide and lead men into all truth (John 16:13-15). These three, united in purpose but distinct in authority as the Father is above the son and the son is above the spirit play their roles in the salvation of mankind. This is how the Trinity should be taught and not to make the three equal in authority as that is not true, but they are one and united in purpose.
Jesus is not equal to the Father. That should not even be a debate at all. Jesus himself declared severally that "My Father is greater than I am." And severally he always makes it known that he is subject to the Father's will and that the Father is his God- John 20:17. The son came from the Father but the Father came from no one. The son is god (deity/divine/worthy of worship) but the Father is god over all (deity/divine/worthy of worship).
Thanks you so much. I hope you will just include this in your view which is correct but not complete. Peace.

"Jesus is God" is an ambiguous phrase. I would rather say Jesus is a God. While the Father Jehovah is the GOD.

According to 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 and Deuteronomy 6:4, God is just one person, the Father. Nothing else.

If you are asked who's the true God, what would be your answer?

StillDtruth:
Corny boy, you are just proving that jw turn people to mad zombies.

If not, state where in this thread did I say Mohammad committed more evils than Catholics?

Lol.
Your first paragraph is unnecessary. And so you know, I think for myself. Not a zombie.

The fact that the Catholics were claiming Christianity yet they were committing evil doesn't mean that Christianity itself is bad or not the true religion.
Same with Islam. Cos they have history of violence and stuffs doesn't necessarily make their religion wrong.

StillDtruth:
Clearly because you really did not want to see the painful Truth they are saying.

Painful truth about what ser, that God is Trinity?

Jesus and the early Christians only believe in ONE GOD.

StillDtruth:
Trinity is just a concept men come up with describing what they see.

It is no different from when people call a boy and girl who are always together "a couple"

What did the inspired Apostles and early church see?

gohf:
ah thought I was the only one who found it confusing

gohf:
I think you should change the title from "same" to "similar" authority

I love it that way

Zaheertyler:
So Joseph having the same authority as Christ is real doctrine?
Okay oo
Everybody get freedom of speech

Just a comparison.
Read well

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense!🙄🙄🙄🙄

Zaheertyler:
Hidden glory in creation
You calling him an angel means you don’t believe In the trinity

Did Jesus teach trinity?
Did the Apostles teach trinity or believe in it?

What did they believe?

1 COR 8:6 NLV
But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live.

John 17:3 NLV
And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Jesus and the early church believed that only the Father is the true God. Nothing like trinity.

StillDtruth:
See oo MaxinDHouse is still a Muslim. That is why we see him display acts of Madness and resorts to Lies exactly like Muslims do, when he starts losing an argument.

And because of this character and poorverty is why he chose to connect with JWs, so that he can be eating from 2 sides i.e. Muslim and JW.

See his confession here.

You're not knowledgeable at all

Before Mohammed started his movement, Catholics (Christians) were already committing atrocities and evil way more than Mohammed later did, does that mean christianity itself is bad?

StillDtruth:
This is a misleading formulation especially as you are not paying attention, to the word "our God" which is very specific throughout the First Testaments.

Thus, it is misleading to formulate the question "is Jesus equal to God?" When the bible clearly shows that He is God's Son Who sits at the Right Hand of God.

So, really if you truly wanted to appreciate the Trinitarian views, you can see what they mean.

And this is why half truths are very very dangerous especially as this view comes from Catholics who are devils themselves who know and used the wicked power of half truth and have therefore created this unprofitable argument and division

Your post makes almost no sense to me especially the third paragraph

Versitee:

Just like Pharaoh king of Egypt gave Joseph authority to rule Egypt, is the same way God, the Father gave authority to his son Jesus.

Mat 28:18 NIV
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Gen 41:39-44 (Joseph/Pharaoh story)

Does Jesus having all the authority in heaven and on earth mean he has same authority with God?
Study Paul's inspired words carefully in the scripture below;

1 Cor 15 NIV
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Pharaoh was greater than Joseph the same way God is greater than Jesus.

Is Jesus same as God?
Is Jesus equal to God?
Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural?

The answer is capital NO!

achorladey:
If any man thinks he is a worshipper of God but does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he is deceiving his own heart, and his worship is futile.  

I cannot afford to go back to your previous post and the many remarks about me that has nothing to do with being the wisest on NL of which you and your committee of worst fools keep peddling

You're now the wisest dude on NL
Sorry I didn't realize that earlier

achorladey:
In your brains of the personality that ended as a worst fool following MaxInDHouse

I no say na you
The wisest

johnw47:
false jw cornyboy

u loving to join other false jw's paranoia and lies, of course,
your paranoia is fear:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Lol na you get this moniker too
It wouldnt be a surprise if you manage this moniker too

achorladey:
Emusan is inside your lying and manipulated brains saying Achorladey = Emusan

One attribute of Jehovah's Witnesses is to project their failings, failures, lies and manipulations on others.

You are looking for what to debunk being one of the worst fool on nairaland

You're the wisest person on NL

achorladey:
In your lies and manipulations filled brains inherited from the madness and insanities peddling brains of your brother in Jehovah's witnesses

Where is Emusan
You don tire to run both monikers at the same time

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you dey fall my hand walahi talahi!

The guy is completely empty, all his brains could fathom now is whatever comes out of the mouth of JWs.

Remember that he's no longer attending any school of thought so he keeps mimicking the last things he was able to grab during his days at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses and since he can't find a better place of worship he's stuck in the middle of nowhere! Matthew 12:43-45

He can never think of anything other than whatever JWs raise as topic that is why he's always following us bumper to bumper as if we owe him!

Good evening ser

achorladey:
Denials and lies setting in as usual typical of Jehovah's Witnesses when cornered



That's why your brains was asking



If not madness and insanities peddling laced with lies and manipulations you won't raise that question after months of having no conversation. If it has nothing to do with you your brains won't raise. What a load of disturbance this is.



Are you are peddling wanderings about the life of others as means to cite as examples that look Achorladey left Jehovah’s witnesses and his life is now miserable. Chai mentality of Jehovah's Witnesses



Even MaxInDHouse admits your a worst fool for saying and believing so. It changes nothing that you are both worst fools on nairaland.



I am denying that I am Achorladey and not Emusan. load of madness and insanities peddling brains obtained from MaxInDHouse



When caught in their madness and insanities peddling they project it on others. The brains peddling fooling around was the one peddling wandering around about others.



The meaningful one about your God in Exodus 3:14 led to denials, lies and manipulations.

After the long hibernation you are still carrying your failings here and there about accusing others of what they are not.

Haha
You're alone

MaxInDHouse:
Isolated knowledge in form of garbages!

Haha

achorladey:
Looking for ways to wriggle free after being caught in denial of Nah



Be my guest



I am not interested in what you want to take, I am particular about what I know not feel of which you are denying



Part of the gift of being in this world

What you think you know has nothing to do with me. I don't really care. Me and MaxInDHouse know that you own both monikers. You can deny it all you want.
Instead of fooling around, just move the f on.

If you have a meaningful topic to discuss, hit me up.

Kazeemakeem:
They party and drink bear

So what's bad in that?

achorladey:
I don't feel it, I know it. Knowing is different from feeling. Adding imagination to colour your denials, lies and manipulations. You definitely cannot stop me from gaining knowledge or making research about what I know and want to know.

We on same page. If you feel that you know, who am I to take that from you? Enjoy!

achorladey:


I don't need to feel that way. I simply know that you got fooled and ended up being a worst fool on Nairaland based on the leading of MaxInDHouse packing lies and manipulations into your brains about other people

Like I said, if that's how you feel, who am I to stop you from your imagination?

achorladey:
You figured it out that you ended up being a worst fool on Nairaland

If you felt that way. Anyhow

achorladey:


I am talking about the one captured in that your NWT in the book of Exodus 3:14

At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.”*+ And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”


I don't have to tell you I believe in that God or not before you know the one I am talking about and that your NWT never in any instance said that God has an organization

Jehovah's organization or God's organization is a concocted concept made by man to pack lies and manipulations into your brains. I was there before you even if you spend your whole life in that your so CALLED BETHEL many of the pilgrimage site for Jehovah's witnesses

Nah

achorladey:
Better for you. Stop looking for who decides to become atheist after leaving your religious organization called Jehovah's organization or people you will use as example that their lives became miserable after leaving that religious organization I know is a concocted concept made by man. God does not have an organization called Jehovah's organization.

Anyhow
Don't know which God you talking about anyway