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Christianity EtcRe: Post Your 'Front Page-Worthy' TOPICS And LINKS Here by cosiocan(m): 1:59pm On Jun 16, 2015
Christianity EtcThe Holy Ghost Is The Only Begotten Son Of God. by cosiocan(op): 12:30pm On Jun 16, 2015
Apostle John in his letter warned the disciples, that they should not believe every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. And Peter also warned the saints, that there shall be false teachers among them, who privily (without notice) shall bring in damnable heresis, even denying Christ.
( 1John 4:1) ( 2Peter 2:1)
Ultimately, the seal or the evidence of the new testament is the Spirit of Christ, just as Paul verily said ; "our sufficiency is of God; who also had made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life". Urging the disciple that they should serve in newness of Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Thus, the apostles were Ministers of the Spirit of Christ and not some written laws. And Satan is not offended in letters but in the Spirit of Christ, because the Spirit is the seal or the evident of the new testament, even as circumcision is the seal or the evidence of the old testament. For this reason Paul reminded the Ephesians Church, that they were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, after that they believed in Christ. And John also encouraged the saints saying, "the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth and is no lie, and even as it had taught you, you shall abide in him.
(2 For 3:6) (Rom 7:6). (1 John 2:27)
For this course, Satan have as well introduced a counterfeit spirits to deceive if possible the very elect. However, most people would assume that all the spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is from God, consequently, they deny Christ in ignorance. The purpose of this study is to examine what the Bible reveals concerning the true Spirit of God.
John the Apostle wrote saying, "that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; AND TRULY OUR FELLOWSHIP IS WITH THE FATHER AND WITH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST". It's amazing how the Apostles and the Saints had their fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ alone, just as the Lord Jesus Christ himself commanded them, "that they should believe in God the Father and believe also in Him". Teaching them that this is eternal life, "that they might know Him the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom God has sent". But today, we worship and fellowship with three persons, whom we called father, son and holy spirit.
(1 John 1:3) (John 14:1, 17:3)
Apostle Paul in his doctrine to the Ephesians and to Timothy wrote saying; "there is one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” And to Timothy he said, "For there is only ONE God, and only ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;". It is obvious Paul believes in two persons alone, the Father and the Son Jesus.
(Ephesians 4:6) (1 Timothy 2:5).
"And there is no other God but one and even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is only ONE God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and only ONE Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live". Notice, Paul says that there is “one God,” who is not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but “the Father.”
(1Corinthians 8:5-6).
For the root of all the commandments of God is this; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD. Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And on this Law hangs all other Laws and Prophets.
(Deut 6:4-5)
Even Moses commanded the believers to receive this doctrine as a mark in their right hand and in their foreheads.
(Deut 6:cool
Even Jesus also, was asked by one of the scribes, which is the greatest commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, the greatest of all the commandment is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord and thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
(Matt. 22:37) (Mark 12:29-30)
If we are required to love the Lord our God with all our heart, then we will have to understand who He is. Because it is impossible to love someone whom we do not know. And we can only know God if we take heed, being mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles. As unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arises in our hearts.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness. God was manifested in the flesh, (through Jesus Christ) and justified in the Spirit etc. The point is: God was justified in the Spirit. How? because, God is the person of the Holy Ghost in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their sins unto them, and for this reason, Christ himself urged his disciples saying, "though you believe not me, believe the works: that you may know and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him" and to Philip he asked, "do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? ". Even as Apostle Paul wrote testifying of this same truth saying, God had in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the world. Who is the brightness of His glory and the express image of God Person (not God persons). Hence we can infer, that God is the person of the Holy Ghost in Christ Jesus.
(1Tim 3:16) (2Cor 5:19) ( John 10:38, 14:10) (Heb 1:2-3)
Certainly, God the Father is that Holy Ghost in our Lord Jesus Christ, because God said to Mary through the angel, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Yet in another place, as Mary was espouse to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with Child of the Holy Ghost. Notice that the Child Jesus was called both Son of God and Child of the Holy Ghost, showing that God is that Holy Ghost in Christ.
(Luke 1:35) (Matt 1:18)
Meanwhile, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Person of the Holy Spirit in all the saints, because through Him we have access by one Spirit unto the Father
(Ephesians 2:18).
Christ himself illustrated this divine relationship, when He prayed for the unity of the saints saying, the glory which you (the Father) has given me I have given to them: that they (the saints) may be one, even as we (the Father and the Son) are one. I (Christ) in them (the saints) and you (the Father) in me (christ), that they may be made perfect in one. We can deduce from this illustration, that the Father is the person in Christ and Christ is the person in the saints. However this relationship is possible through one Holy Spirit.
(John 17:22-23)
As it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam Christ became a life-giving Spirit.
(1 Corinthians 15:45)
The key is that Christ became the Holy Spirit or the life-giving Spirit, because He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Holy Spirit: by which (the Holy Spirit) also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison. and God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Because He had predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself..
(1Peter 3:18-19) (Acts 3:26) (Ephesians 1:5)
In the Revelation of Jesus Christ unto his Apostle John to the seven Churches. Notice, that Jesus is He that holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, the first and the last, which was dead and is alive, He which has the sharp sword with two edges, the Son of God, who has his eyes like unto a flame of fire and his feet are like fine brass, who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, who has the key of David, the Amen, and the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
Yet at the end of each message it was written; He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches. It does not take a genius to know that the Son of God is the same Holy Spirit speaking to John.
(Rev. 2-3)
Interestingly, this is how we know that the Son of God abides in us, we know it by the Holy Spirit whom He has given us. Because he that is joined unto the Lord Jesus Christ is One Spirit with the Lord
(1 John 3:24). (1 Corinthians 6:17)
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His only begotten Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”
(Galatians 4:6).
Verily, the Holy Spirit is crying out, “Abba, Father!” Because He is the Son of God and He is Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Remember, this is Him who cried in prayer to God saying, “Abba, Father!, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”
(Mark 14:36)
If the Holy Ghost is another person as you supposed, then he cannot cry out “Abba, Father!
What exactly is a Spirit? According to the Strong’s Concordant, along with many other Greek Dictionaries, a spirit is a “mind.” When God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, He was sending the mind of His Son into our hearts. Therefore, God asks us through Paul to “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.”
(Philippines 2:5)
The mind, or Spirit, that Christ had was the Spirit of His Father. “For he whom God had sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
(John 3:34)
Hence, Apostle Paul stated clearly; that if the Jews should turn their hearts to the Lord Jesus, then the veil of Moses shall be taken away from their hearts. "Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". And if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
( 2 Corinthians 3:16-17). (Roman 8:9).
"Neither is there salvation in any other person of the Godhead: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
(Acts 4:12).
Therefore examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
(2 Corinthians 13:5).
Hence, Christ said, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing". "And by this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit".
(John 15:5). (1John 4:13)
Nevertheless, Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but ye know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.” So many have assumed that Christ was speaking about another person because He said, "another Comforer". Take note; he said the world cannot receive him, because they cannot know him.
(John 14:15-17)
However, the Spirit of Christ that came upon the saints is indeed another Comforter, different from the Speaker because He was no longer flesh and blood, according to the seed of David. But He became a Live giving Spirit, which is the Son of God. Yet He is the same person.
Take a look at a different verse that uses the word "another". “And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. And it was so, that when Saul had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.” Saul became another man, yet the same person.
(1 Samuel 10:6, 9)
Unfortunately, because Christ said, "Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost". Presumptuously, we have all concluded that Christ said, baptise them in the name of God the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Moreover, it was clear enough that both the Father and the Son have the same personality and most vividly the same name, the Father by inherence and the Son by inheritance. For in Christ dwells all the fullness of Godhead bodily and the Holy Ghost came in the name of Christ.
(Matt. 28:19) (Col 2:9)
Obviously, without any contradictions, Jesus Christ in all his teaching made mention of only two names saying, "I am come in my Father's name and ye receive me not" (John 5:43) and in another place He said, "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name (or my person)". (John 14:26)
Therefore, there are only two divine names or persons in the whole of the scriptures; the name of the Father and of the Son alone!
Evidently, the words of Agur the son of Jakeh comfirmed this truth, even the prophecy said, who had ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who had bound the waters in a garment? Who had established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Notice that this prophecy inquired us to search out and believe in only two names; the name of God the Father and of the Son Jesus Christ alone!
(Prov. 30:4)
Most appropriately also, in all the epistles of the Apostles to the Saints, from the epistles of Paul to the Romans even unto Jude, they all sent their greetings and prayers for the Saints in the name of God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Son Jesus Christ alone!
Therefore, it is obvious that Holy Ghost is not a person of his own but A SPIRIT from God, with Jesus Christ himself as the person of the Holy Spirit.
According to these passages the Holy Spirit does not come through Christ; rather, Christ himself is this Holy Spirit. And There is only one God and He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Of course, some will ask how is it that John said that, Jesus Christ was God? For he wrote, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
John 1:1)
Now let us consider other titles Jesus Christ was given; the Word is God and the Word is also the Lamb and the Word is also the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
Behold the Lamb of God (John 1:36)
Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David. (Rev 5:5)
It takes a simple mind to understand that Christ was called a lamb and a lion, not because he is an animal, instead, because He has the personality of a Lamb and of a Lion.
Even so, Christ having all the personality of God the Father is called God.
For it pleased the Father that in Christ should all fullness dwell.(Col 1:19)
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person and being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name. (Heb 1:3)
No doubt, even Paul the Apostle believes that Christ obtained all the personality of God by inheritance not by inherence.
Interestingly, Jesus Christ himself declare his total subjection to God saying, "for as the Father has life in himself; so has He given to the Son to have life in himself". And "my Father is greater than I" and verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do. And Paul shedding more light to this subject wrote, "for Christ must reign, till he had put all enemies under his feet. For God had put all things under his feet, But when He said all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him. And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”
(John 5:26) (John 14:28) (John 5:19) (1 Cor 15:26-28)
Most profoundly, Apostle Paul wrote; "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.
(1Cor 11:3)
It is evident therefore, that the only begotten Son of God is totally subject to the Father. And any doctrine that makes another person or spirit equal with God the Father is apparently blaspheming God.
Christianity EtcRe: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 11:48am On Jun 16, 2015
MrPresident:
Sir, no offense, but you are undoubtedly the worst joke of any christian I have ever interacted with on this forum.

*foreign countries brought religions to you
*non of them serves the true God of heaven
*they brought to you the doctrine(written in bible) of their national Gods & you hve become slaves
*the only way out of slavery is know true God through the same bible(doctrines) they brought

if there is a hospital for brain-transplant, I would gladly shoulder the cost, for some people here on nairaland. grin grin grin
anyways, let me continue to cast my pearls before swines, for the sake of those who will be saved. When I said the doctrines of their national gods. I don't mean the bible but I mean the fundamental doctrines of the so called Christianity called the Trinity. Because with such foundation, the bible will profit you nothing.
Christianity EtcRe: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 10:28am On Jun 12, 2015
MrPresident:
exactly why we dont need religion, because the less religious a nation is the more strength.
China, Japan, Israel(to ur surprise), are in top list of less religious countries. while shiithole countries like our beloved nigeria, somalia, sri lanka, fiji, iraq, etc are the top religious.
you do the maths!!

Liberians were fasting and praying in the streets waiting for jewish yahweh to remove ebola,

but it took the scientific research and medical experiments of the non-religious nations to cure them.

use your tongue to count your teeth. wink cheesy
no dog becomes fat through eating of bones after the flesh has been eaten. Check out the origin of all Religions we have in Africa. Roman catholic from Europe, Anglican from Europe, Penthecostalism from American, Hinduism from China, Buddhism from Europe, Islam from the Middle East. Non of these nations serves the true God of heaven. But they brought down to us the doctrines of their national gods. And we have becomes slaves of their gods.
The only way out of this slavery, is to know the true God of heaven through the bible (the written words of the most high God)
Christianity EtcRe: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 9:29am On Jun 12, 2015
MrPresident:
our mates in other parts of the world are advancing technologically,

we are here reciting chapters and verses of a persian history book,

we are still praying for a god to remove malaria,

but we cant keep our environment clean to avoid mosquitoes,

shame!!!
little do you know that Religion is really the strength of any Nation.
Christianity EtcRe: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 9:06am On Jun 12, 2015
johnw74:
Just on that last sentence,
That Spirit from God who became Jesus Christ, was first the Word who was with God, and who was God

God and the Word are two persons:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the Word was God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. ...


That Spirit from God is a person- a being from everlasting

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was anointed from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth ever was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no springs heavy with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I was brought forth.
Pro 8:26 before He had made the earth, or the fields or the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there; when He set a circle upon the face of the deep;
Pro 8:28 when He set the clouds above; when He made the strong fountains of the deep;
Pro 8:29 when He gave to the sea its limit that the waters should not pass His command; when He appointed the foundations of the earth;
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".(John 1:1)
The Word is God and the Word is also the Lamb and the Word is also the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
Behold the Lamb of God (John 1:36)
Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David. (Rev 5:5)
It does not take a genius to understand that Christ is not an animal because He was called a lamb and a lion, but that He has the personality of a Lamb and of a Lion.
Hence, Christ having all the personality of God the Father is called God.
For it pleased the Father that in Christ should all fullness dwell.(Col 1:19)
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person and being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name. (Heb 1:3)
Therefore, Paul believes that Christ obtained all the personality of God by inheritance not by inherence.
Christianity EtcRe: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 8:02am On Jun 12, 2015
johnw74:
Just on that last sentence,
That Spirit from God who became Jesus Christ, was first the Word who was with God, and who was God

God and the Word are two persons:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the Word was God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. ...


That Spirit from God is a person- a being from everlasting

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was anointed from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth ever was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no springs heavy with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I was brought forth.
Pro 8:26 before He had made the earth, or the fields or the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there; when He set a circle upon the face of the deep;
Pro 8:28 when He set the clouds above; when He made the strong fountains of the deep;
Pro 8:29 when He gave to the sea its limit that the waters should not pass His command; when He appointed the foundations of the earth;
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;
Who is wisdom? Proverb 8 tells us
that He has a mouth, and speaks. Now Paul wrote, “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of
God.” (1 Corinthians 1:24) and in another place he said, “But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.” (1 Corinthians 1:30) Christ is Wisdom,and is speaking in Proverbs chapter 8. “When there were no depths, I was brought forth when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth.” (Proverbs 8:24, 25)
Christianity EtcRe: The Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 12:13am On Jun 12, 2015
Just as the children of Israel could not understand that Law of Moses. But their minds were blinded.
Even so the world cannot understand the mystery of the gospel of Christ
cosiocan:
God the Father is that Holy Ghost in our Lord Jesus Christ, because God said to Mary through the angel, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And in another place, as Mary was espouse to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with Child of the Holy Ghost. Notice, that the Child Jesus was called both the Son of God and Child of the Holy Ghost, showing that God is that Holy Ghost in Christ. That is, God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself
(Luke 1:35) (Matt 1:18) (2Cor 5:19).
And Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Person of the Holy Spirit in all the saints, because through Him we have access by one Spirit unto the Father
(Ephesians 2:18).
As it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam Christ became a life-giving Spirit (or the Holy Spirit).
(1 Corinthians 15:45)
In the Revelation of Jesus Christ unto his Apostle John to the seven Churches. Notice, that Jesus is He that holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, the first and the last, which was dead and is alive, He which has the sharp sword with two edges, the Son of God, who has his eyes like unto a flame of fire and his feet are like fine brass, who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, who has the key of David, the Amen, and the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. Yet at the end of each message it was written; He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches. It does not take a genius to know that the Son of God is the Holy Spirit speaking to John.
(Rev. 2-3)
And words of Agur the son of Jakeh confirmed this, even the prophecy said, who had ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who had bound the waters in a garment? Who had established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Notice, that this prophecy inquired us to search out and believe in only two Persons; the name of God the Father and of the Son Jesus Christ alone!
(Prov. 30:4)
Therefore it is obvious that Holy Ghost is not a person of his own but A SPIRIT from God and Jesus is the name or the person of the Holy Spirit.
Christianity EtcThe Person Of The Holy Ghost by cosiocan(op): 6:43pm On Jun 11, 2015
God the Father is that Holy Ghost in our Lord Jesus Christ, because God said to Mary through the angel, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And in another place, as Mary was espouse to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with Child of the Holy Ghost. Notice, that the Child Jesus was called both the Son of God and Child of the Holy Ghost, showing that God is that Holy Ghost in Christ. That is, God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself
(Luke 1:35) (Matt 1:18) (2Cor 5:19).
And Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Person of the Holy Spirit in all the saints, because through Him we have access by one Spirit unto the Father
(Ephesians 2:18).
As it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam Christ became a life-giving Spirit (or the Holy Spirit).
(1 Corinthians 15:45)
In the Revelation of Jesus Christ unto his Apostle John to the seven Churches. Notice, that Jesus is He that holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, the first and the last, which was dead and is alive, He which has the sharp sword with two edges, the Son of God, who has his eyes like unto a flame of fire and his feet are like fine brass, who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, who has the key of David, the Amen, and the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. Yet at the end of each message it was written; He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches. It does not take a genius to know that the Son of God is the Holy Spirit speaking to John.
(Rev. 2-3)
And words of Agur the son of Jakeh confirmed this, even the prophecy said, who had ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who had bound the waters in a garment? Who had established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Notice, that this prophecy inquired us to search out and believe in only two Persons; the name of God the Father and of the Son Jesus Christ alone!
(Prov. 30:4)
Therefore it is obvious that Holy Ghost is not a person of his own but A SPIRIT from God and Jesus is the name or the person of the Holy Spirit.
Christianity EtcFrom Glory To Glory by cosiocan(op): 2:34pm On Jun 05, 2015
There is a surface of the covering cast over all people, And the veil that is spread over all nations.
(Isaiah 25:7)
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord Jesus Christ, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(2 Corinthians 3:16-17)
In Christ Jesus we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
www.nairaland.com/2338492/christ-himself-holy-spirit
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An2elect2:
humbled by defeat. Yea..sounds more like
An2elect2 I like your understanding of the Lord Jesus. I pray that God may preserve you unto the Love of God in Christ Jesus and that you do not fall away after the error of ungodly.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 7:18pm On May 28, 2015
Syncan:
See how you confuse yourself? From your own quotes, Christ came in the Father's name yet you call him a person different from the father, but the Holy spirit will be sent in Christ name yet you can't call him a different person.


Jesus: In the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Cosiocan: No you are wrong Jesus, there are only two persons, the father and the son.
The Father is name or the person or (the Will at work) of the Holy Ghost in Christ. And our Lord Jesus is the name or the person or (the Will at work) of the Holy Ghost in us. And the Holy Ghost is A Spirit and not a person.
#for there is one Body of Christ and one Spirit of Christ#
And #A body without a spirit is dead#
Therefore Jesus has one Body and one Spirit with the Father. And of the fullness of his Spirit we have all received.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 6:43pm On May 28, 2015
Scholar8200:
Then explain Acts 13:2 One day as these men were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Dedicate Barnabas and Saul for the special work to which I have called them.
Who actually called Barnabas and Saul?
Paul, an apostle, called ( not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.
(Galatians 1:1)
Hence, Paul denied or was ignorant, if there be any third person of his calling.
But the truth is that there is no third person. Jesus Christ was the Holy Ghost that called them.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 5:14pm On May 28, 2015
Scholar8200:
Matthew 10: 19,20 hear Jesus speaking-
19 But when they deliver you up, do not be anxious about how or what you are to speak; for what you are to say will be given you in that very hour and [f]moment,

20 For it is not you who are speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. This is still referring to the Holy Spirit

John 1:32,33
32 John gave further evidence, saying, I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and it dwelt on Him [never to depart].
[The Spirit descended on Jesus Christ after baptism-Two Persons here!]

And I did not know Him nor recognize Him, but He Who sent me to baptize [j]in (with) water said to me, Upon Him Whom you shall see the Spirit descend and remain, that One is He Who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the One that baptizes with the Holy Spirit


You need to understand that just as Jesus did not come in His Own Name but that of the Father, the Holy Spirit also did not come in His Name but that of the Son. See the following:

John 5:43
43 I have come in My Father’s name and with His power, and you do not receive Me [your hearts are not open to Me, you give Me no welcome]; but if another comes in his own name and his own power and with no other authority but himself, you will receive him and give him your approval.

John 17:6
I have manifested Your Name [I have revealed Your very Self, Your real Self] to the people whom You have given Me out of the world.

(The Holy Spirit was sent also to reveal Jesus' Name -His Very Self both to and in the believers)

Paul alluded to this is Galatians 1:16
16 To reveal (unveil, disclose) His Son within me so that I might proclaim Him among the Gentiles (the non-Jewish world) as the glad tidings (Gospel), immediately I did not confer with flesh and blood [did not consult or counsel with any frail human being or communicate with anyone].

The Son is revealed in us by the Spirit hence it would be superficial to dwell on just the peripheral gifts, tongues etc; this was the primary purpose of the Spirit's coming.

Take note of in Whose Name the Spirit was to come:

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you.
(all quotes from AMP version)

This clarifies it. Hence the Relationship between true believers and the Spirit is no different from that that was between Christ and the 12 but in a spiritual, deeper and more intimate level.
Also see Revelations 1:4,5

4 This letter is from John to the seven churches in the province of Asia.[c]

Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come; from the sevenfold Spirit[d] before his throne; 5 and from Jesus Christ. He is the faithful witness to these things, the first to rise from the dead, and the ruler of all the kings of the world. This two verses (from NLT) specifically points out Three Distinct Personalities!
What exactly is a Spirit? According to the Strong’s
Concordance, along with many other Greek
Dictionaries, a spirit is a “mind.” When God sent
forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, He was
sending the mind, or thinking of His Son into our
hearts. God asks us to “Let this mind be in you,
which was also in Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 2:5) The
mind, or Spirit, that Christ had was the Spirit of His
Father. “For he whom God hath sent speaketh the
words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by
measure unto him.” (John 3:34) Let us examine what
the Bible says about a spirit.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 5:13pm On May 28, 2015
Scholar8200:
Matthew 10: 19,20 hear Jesus speaking-
19 But when they deliver you up, do not be anxious about how or what you are to speak; for what you are to say will be given you in that very hour and [f]moment,

20 For it is not you who are speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. This is still referring to the Holy Spirit

John 1:32,33
32 John gave further evidence, saying, I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and it dwelt on Him [never to depart].
[The Spirit descended on Jesus Christ after baptism-Two Persons here!]

And I did not know Him nor recognize Him, but He Who sent me to baptize [j]in (with) water said to me, Upon Him Whom you shall see the Spirit descend and remain, that One is He Who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the One that baptizes with the Holy Spirit


You need to understand that just as Jesus did not come in His Own Name but that of the Father, the Holy Spirit also did not come in His Name but that of the Son. See the following:

John 5:43
43 I have come in My Father’s name and with His power, and you do not receive Me [your hearts are not open to Me, you give Me no welcome]; but if another comes in his own name and his own power and with no other authority but himself, you will receive him and give him your approval.

John 17:6
I have manifested Your Name [I have revealed Your very Self, Your real Self] to the people whom You have given Me out of the world.

(The Holy Spirit was sent also to reveal Jesus' Name -His Very Self both to and in the believers)

Paul alluded to this is Galatians 1:16
16 To reveal (unveil, disclose) His Son within me so that I might proclaim Him among the Gentiles (the non-Jewish world) as the glad tidings (Gospel), immediately I did not confer with flesh and blood [did not consult or counsel with any frail human being or communicate with anyone].

The Son is revealed in us by the Spirit hence it would be superficial to dwell on just the peripheral gifts, tongues etc; this was the primary purpose of the Spirit's coming.

Take note of in Whose Name the Spirit was to come:

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you.
(all quotes from AMP version)

This clarifies it. Hence the Relationship between true believers and the Spirit is no different from that that was between Christ and the 12 but in a spiritual, deeper and more intimate level.
Also see Revelations 1:4,5

4 This letter is from John to the seven churches in the province of Asia.[c]

Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come; from the sevenfold Spirit[d] before his throne; 5 and from Jesus Christ. He is the faithful witness to these things, the first to rise from the dead, and the ruler of all the kings of the world. This two verses (from NLT) specifically points out Three Distinct Personalities!
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 1:09pm On May 28, 2015
Syncan:
See the way you avoid light and remain where you are. I quoted this earlier, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," a place where Jesus himself mentioned the three distinct persons, but you turned a blind eye to it, now you want St Paul to add Holy Spirit when talking about the particular office of Christ which is reconciling man with God. The Holy Spirit always has His specific role.
Jesus Christ said, "I am come in my Father's name and ye receive me not" (John 5:43) and in another place He said, "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name (or my person)". (John 14:26)
There are only two divine names or persons in the whole of the scriptures; the name of the Father and of the Son alone!
Therefore it is obvious that Holy Ghost is not a person of his own but A SPIRIT from God and Jesus is the name or the person of the Holy Spirit.
Don't confuse yourself with letter but learn from the Spirit of Christ. "Baptising with the name of the Father and of the son and with the Holy Ghost" is the truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 11:33am On May 28, 2015
Syncan:
Religion is not confusing us, people speak on subjects based on the degree of knowledge they have on it. There is however the truth and knowing it alone sets one free.

If you read that passage of scripture, Consider what the apostle was discussing about...The veil covering...


They could claim that God put the veil on them and therefore it cannot be removed. But the Apostle shows that it cannot only be removed, but even that it is removed by him who is the Lord. Hence, he says, now the Lord is the Spirit.

This can be understood in two ways without contradiction.

In one way, so that Spirit is taken as the subject, as though saying: the Spirit, i.e., the Holy Spirit, namely who is the author of the Law, is the Lord, i.e., works by his own free will: “The Spirit blows where it wills” (Jn. 3:8 ); “The Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills” (1 Cor. 12:11). And where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom; as if to say: because the Spirit is the Lord, he can give freedom to enable us freely to use the writings of the Old Testament without a veil. Therefore, those who do not have the Holy Spirit cannot use it freely: “You were called
to freedom” (Gal. 5:13); “Live as free men, yet without using your freedom as a pretext for
evil” (1 Pet. 2:16).

It can be understood another way so that by the Lord is meant Christ, as though saying: the Lord, i.e., Christ, is Spirit, i.e., has spiritual power. Therefore, where the Spirit of the Lord is, i.e., the law of Christ spiritually understood, not in a written code, but impressed on the heart by faith, there is freedom from every obscurity of the veil.

The apostle did not and cannot have said there that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. That (Jesus) they are eager to fix in there in bracket or otherwise was never in the original copy but can only be inferred, hence the need to infer correctly in line with the teaching of Christ and topic of discussion.
How do you explain this Doctrine of Apostle Paul to Timothy?

"For there is only ONE God, and only ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
(1 Timothy 2:5).

If the Holy Spirit is another person of Godhead
Why was not the name of your third person of Godhead mentioned?
Christianity EtcRe: A Thread For Catholics by cosiocan(m): 8:14am On May 28, 2015
Just as the children of Israel could not understand that Law of Moses. But their minds were blinded.
Even so the world cannot understand the mystery of the gospel of Christ;
"Which is Christ in you, the hope of glory".
But even to this day, when the gospel is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord Jesus Christ, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
( 2 Corinthians 3).
www.nairaland.com/2338492/christ-himself-holy-spirit#34165370
Christianity EtcRe: A Thread For Catholics by cosiocan(m): 8:07am On May 28, 2015
Just as the children of Israel could not understand that Law of Moses. But their minds were blinded.
Even so the world cannot understand the mystery of the gospel of Christ;
"Which is Christ in you, the hope of glory".
But even to this day, when the gospel is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord Jesus Christ, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
( 2 Corinthians 3).
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 8:02am On May 28, 2015
Just as the children of Israel could not understand that Law of Moses. But their minds were blinded.
Even so the world cannot understand the mystery of the gospel of Christ;
"Which is Christ in you, the hope of glory".
But even to this day, when the gospel is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord Jesus Christ, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
( 2 Corinthians 3).
Christianity EtcRe: A Thread For Catholics by cosiocan(m): 2:46am On May 28, 2015
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Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 2:06am On May 28, 2015
Christ said, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. And by this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
(John 15:5). (1John 4:13)
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op): 2:04am On May 28, 2015
Take a look at a different verse that uses the word "another". “And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.” Another man, yet the same person.
(1 Samuel 10:6, 9)
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Christianity EtcRe: Christ Himself Is This Holy Spirit by cosiocan(op):
@Syncan. The Holy Ghost is indeed another Comforter because He was no longer flesh and blood, which is the Son of David. But He became a Live giving Spirit, which is the Son of God.
Yet He is the same Person. "Hence He said, I will not leave you comfortless or orphans: I will come to you".
And also "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. And by this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
(John 14:18) (John 15:5). (1John 4:13)
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