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Kobojunkie:
1. According to Scripture, Jesus Christ was instead born a descendant of David. You, however, choose to assert that instead Jesus Christ was born of the same breath of life as David, meaning that when David died, he did not receive eternal Life as all the righteous of the Old would have?

If Jesus Christ is David, are you insisting here that when the awaited resurrection of the Jews takes place when Abraham, Isaac, Moses, and all the others are raised from the dead, David will not be among those to be raised from the dead then unto Life in the Land of Canaan as well?

2. According to the teachings of Jesus Christ, the one who is the Holy Spirit is the very Spirit of Truth that lived right inside of Jesus Christ while He was here on earth. The Spirit of Life also lived inside of Jesus Christ while He was here on earth and for this reason He was said to have been full of Grace(LIFE) from His birth. So, if the Spirit of Life and Truth which already existed on the inside of Jesus Christ from His birth are responsible for His overcoming death, doesn't that mean He was the Son of God even from His birth?

3. Also, what do you mean that Jesus Christ is the Adonai. Adonai refers to the Most High - the Almighty Himself, so How can the Adonai be the Son of Elohim when according to Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit which He asked the Father to send is the Spirit of Truth and He, the Spirit of Truth is subject to Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 25 - 26 and John 16 vs 8 - 15?

AllenforGOD:
Let me demystify way more better..Jesus said"I IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IN ME"what king of perspective are you demystifying?Jesus is the SON OF GOD,HE IS ALSO GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT,"HOLY BLESSED TRINITY"your words are exclusively devoid,inconsistent,abitrary.

God the FATHER
God the SON
God the HOLY SPIRIT.UNDERSTOOD

AllenforGOD:
Guy correct,consistent words,GOD IS GOD HIMSELF,GOD IS JESUS,GOD THE FATHER IS HOLY SPIRIT.LOVE UR PERSPECTIVE.THEY ARE THE "HOLY ONE BLESSED TRINITY"

Kobojunkiee:
1. What manuscript of the book of Roman contains the terms in bold abeg? The image attached is of the greek writings and there are no Hebrew words contained. Where do I access this manuscript that includes the Hebrew references you have there?

2. Where does this claim of yours that the flesh is the breath of life come from? Also, where is it written that Elohim is responsible for preserving David's flesh so Jesus could live like a man?

3. Where in scripture are the statements in bold found?

4. So, did יהוה/Jehovah‎ state somewhere that only those who know how יהוה/Jehovah‎ is the Father of the messiah can have the Spirit of יהוה‎/Jehovah in them? Where?

Maynman:
Elohim simply means gods in Hebrew language.
Baal is an elohim.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Truth, the one you refer to as the Holy Spirit. He revealed this to you when He said in John 14 vs 6 that He is the Truth, Life and the Way. He also affirmed this in John 16 vs 1 - 14 where He stated that after He is gone, He will send you the Spirit of Truth as your Helper. For this reason Jesus Christ first had to go away for His very own Spirit to then take over in His stead as Leader, Teacher, Helper etc., - John 14 vs 15 - 25 - in the lives of all those submitted to Jesus Christ in Obedience.

Jesus Christ is not YHWH and YHWH is not Jesus Christ. Instead, Jesus Christ is a separate agreement/Covenant from God's Old Covenant Law, YHWH.

Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant is a forever Covenant God made with Abraham and the descendants of Israel, the Constitution in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

Kobojunkie:
This is wrong!

Instead, YHWH is the name of the Law given by God to His Covenant between Abraham and His descendants in the Kingdom of Canaan. So Whenever the people referred to YHWH, they referenced God by the Law that existed between the Almighty and the children of Israel. Much the same was as Jesus Christ is the Name given by God to His Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God. Two different Laws, yet the same God..

ochibuogwu5:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for He shall save his people/brethren from their sins." (Matthew 1:21 kjv)


It is contradictory for people to be saying, *a believer sinned*, sin in itself whether by thoughts, desires, imaginations or actions is *UNBELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED* because *INSIDE JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED THERE IS NO SIN AND THERE IS NO CAPACITY TO SIN* thus "And ye know that HE(JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED) was manifested to take away our sins; and IN HIM IS NO SIN." (1 John 3:5 kjv)


Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:4-10kjv)



This scripture above especially 1 John 3:5 entails that *as new creation life carriers, we must tell Jesus to excuse us, that there is something that I want to do but it is not resident within this Your New Life hence let me walk outside of you and get involved with it then later I will return back to you*


That thing is *sin* and just like the prodigal Son, you will be able to use your free-will even inside the new creation life(born-again lifestyle) to forcefully break-away even as Jacob fought God and prevailed, within the new creation life, you can still fight with the Holy Spirit and reject/frustrate the mercy and grace of God then walk-away *to enjoy the momentary pleasures of sin/the flesh*.



The Father is always willing and ready to receive us back, if we genuinely return unto HIM thus "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9 kjv),
However, we might not be too sure of returning thus "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." (John 5:14 kjv)
Even the case of Ananias and Sapphira, who did not have the opportunity to return and repent.



As believers, let us not take the mercy and grace of God even within this new creation life for granted thus
"To the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Ephesus write: These are the words of Him Who holds the seven stars [which are the messengers of the seven churches] in His right hand, Who goes about among the seven golden lampstands [which are the seven churches]:

2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.

3 I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.

4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love].

5 Remember then from what heights you have fallen. Repent (change the inner man to meet God’s will) and do the works you did previously [when first you knew the Lord], or else I will visit you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and repent.

6 Yet you have this [in your favor and to your credit]: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans [what they are doing as corrupters of the people], which I Myself also detest.

7 He who is able to hear, let him listen to and give heed to what the Spirit says to the assemblies (churches). To him who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant to eat [of the fruit] of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God." (Revelations 2:1-7 AMPC)

MaxInDHouse:
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MaxInDHouse:
No imperfect human can exhibit all the nine attributes of God's Holy Spirit because we are born and brought up in sin. But that doesn't stop the Holy Spirit from exhibiting it's own WORKS in the gathering of imperfect humans.

So even though imperfect humans have their individual flaws the Holy Spirit will make use of them to exhibit it's own attributes so that an observer can SEE that something is not normal in the gathering of imperfect humans!

For instance, in each imperfect humans the flesh is at work so each human will have his or her own flaws like:

sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties Galatians 5:19-21

You can't find a single human who has none of this in him, at least one or two of these will manifest in an imperfect human no matter who he is because these are the WORKS of the flesh and we are flesh.

Yet with each human fighting against his or her own flaws {Romans 7:15-20} God's Holy Spirit will organize them and by the time you look intently at the outcome of their gathering you will SEE {Matthew 5:14-16} that as a group these imperfect humans each with his/her individual flaws are able to exhibit all the attributes of God's Holy Spirit because the Spirit is WORKING in their midst! Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

So have you seen any gathering of imperfect humans where such is happening?

Has the spirit you're talking about being able to work out LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in any gathering of people? Galatians 5:22-23

Maynman:
Holy means complete
Spirit means breathe.

Holy Spirit means spirited.
Know the origin of your words, Yahweh worshipper