₦airaland Forum

TayserMahri:
Man, your head is so effed! I hope you're an old mofo!

oh touched a nerve in this mother.fvck.er! that how i like it, now i know my point has reached the intended recipient now ya'll can go on and compare apples and oranges can't you even see how you are embarrassing yourselves idiots on fishing expedition. by the way i ain't even 28 if that qualifies to be called old. bye

tylann:
Ethnic federalism will never happen in kenya
Just forget about it

no matter how you dismiss me, its already happening, after the referendum, these counties will be consolidated and the bigger picture will emerge, you may call me tribal however you like but that does not change the facts, am probably more patriotic than you will ever be. my wish is for a cohesive, stronger and prosperous nation, you are yelling tribal and when a vote is called now you will run to your tribal cocoon, stop deceiving other Africans, come back home and help sort these mess, then and only then will you qualify to lecture others.

tylann:
We will give them and take Pemba since our borderline will extend towards Tanzania

now this is where we agree. if the icj rule in favor of the Somalis, the precedent will be replicated across the eastern and southern African coast up to south Africa, in the interest of peace and stability, the Somalis will never get the court to rule in their favor.

tylann:
Yes that is what iam talking about .
Especially in Africa it won't work

listen up dude, Nigeria has never had the kind of tribal politics we have in Kenya, infact Kenya is an isolated case in Africa. Nigerian have regional power arrangements like north, south east,south west, south south. so there has never been ethnic, even biafra was not purely an igbo affair there were other tribes too, plus Nigeria has more than 200 ethnic communities so you can balk anise the country into 200 regions, can you? on the other hand we have 42 tribes and only five that are engaged in cut throat competition for power. the sooner we weaken the center to a point that the presidency is nothing but bones the better for us, one day you will remember this post and say that i made sense, just wait until 2022!!

tylann:
And in you own perspective can ethnic federalism work in kenya
Tribalism is very rife in kenya bear that in mind it gets worse during election years

and what breeds tribalism? first answe that question and you will get your answer, remember tribalism is very much overt in kenya. go through the numerous proposals at the BBI and see what every one is presenting, maximum of 22 regions is the most common proposal. and what do you think these proposal is going to look like once they are drawn? do you think kalenjins will share reion with luos or luos with luhyia or even kisii's with the maasai? you know better that these!

theenchanter:
the biafra war didn't start as an ethnic crisis but a coup to remove the ruling, according to d coupist "highly corrupt" leaders, the coup failed n led to d Biafra war.

Niger delta avengers feel they're cheated cos their region has oil n FG gives them 13% derivation which they feel it's low.

I dont know which is worse between nigeria n kenya in terms of tribalism.

these fellow kenyans do not understand history, please help me enlighten them

tylann:
That is why iam telling you if you give the big 5 tribes ethnic federalism you will only worsen the situation
What do you mean they cant tolerate each other
My mother is a kikuyu and my father was a luhya and they tolerated each other that is why tylann is here
Those big 5 tribes intermarry , trade ,live together etc
Kenya needs ethnic cohesion not division in the name of ethnic federalism

see you are trying to divert my thought process, am not talking about family life, even me i have a kamba and a kikuyu as an inlaw, but when it comes to politics 101 even your wife whose kikuyu will side with his people that is the nature of our ethnic politics, divisive and dangerous

TayserMahri:
You see you are funny. You claimed you arent Kisii by tribe but you live in Kisii land as an explanation of your failure to respond to Yobeezy's question in Abagusii. And here you are saying the counties as constituted now are along ethnic lines. Dont you think you should know better? That virtually all counties except a infinitesimal few are multi-ethnic? Where do you place a county like Nakuru that stretches from Naivasha all the way into the north rift? Is Nakuru for kyuks or kales or Maasai? What about counties like Mombasa, Nairobi, Kisumu, Laikipia etc? Do your homework. Unless you want people forcefully ethnicised. How would you divide Nakuru county by ethnicity for instance? Why are you so slow? Where would we draw the lines? The former provinces were never done on an ethnic basis, which is why they were 7 not 42. Rift valley Province for instance encompassed Bantus, Nilotes and even cushites. I can see you are coming from a very shallow ethnocentric point of view with your 99 % allusion. Had you lived outside you would know better. Typically the 99 % was replicated in very few places such as central and Nyanza. The rest of the country was pretty much a mishmash.

i talked about major tribes in Kenya being the problem, not the minor ones, and to respond appropriately, yes the cities and major towns are cosmopolitan but that does not change the tribal nature of the politics there, can a luo be elected governor in nakuru? read my line of thought very carefully, you are saying nyanza and central what about western for the luhyias and lower eastern counties for the kambas, or kalenjin counties from baringo to uasin gishu. the counties are drawn on ethnic lines, even the two gusii counties, 95% are gusii with small luo population as indegenes

tylann:
The guy is predicting doom for Kenya with his useless ethnic federalism

did i ever claim anywhere that am from the abagusii tribe? i also asked you that since you know kisii county well, how many communities are indegenious to kisii county, i told you am from ong'icha, ruga in kisii county.

gallivant:
I am not from any of those tribes but which tribe do you suggest are the most educated? I want to hear this.

i will not go into all that but if you are kenyan,you will know.

gallivant:
What a tribalist retard. Ethnic federalism will never be accepted by Kenyans. I am still looking for the Azam energy drink in Kisii. Maybe a shot of that will clear my mind and I can understand your points better without bias.

then why did kenyans propose the formation of 14 states under the BOMAS draft largely based on tribal lines? do you know that that was the most inclusive constitution making process on earth? only to be torpedoed by the criminal state!

tylann:
Ethnic federalism destroyed Yugoslavia

Look at Ethiopia and Nigeria who are practising ethnic federalism are they any better than Kenya

ask a Nigerian an honest question, has federalism help in sharing of the national cake equitable? for instance, in Nigeria, the richest region is not the ones which has produced the highest number of presidents, the north has had around 40 years of presidency in Nigeria yet they are the poorest! in kenya, kikuyu/kalenjin has had 56 years of power in kenya, and you know the result, skewed resource allocation, their tribesmen dominate the civil service at all level despite not being the best educated, is this how you want us to move forward?

tylann:
Some counties in Kenya are multiethnic
Stop looking at nyanza alone
Look at the whole of kenya

Ethnic federalism Will create more problems than it will solve

Just give any African country that ethnic federalism has worked

stop looking at the minor tribes, they have never been the problem, the problem with kenya are the five major tribes. they can barely tolerate each other. kikuyu, kalenjin, luyhia, luo, kamba. all these tribe have exclusive counties, stop looking at the other minor tribes they can be accomodated by the major tribes that they are close with culturally and politically, for instance the GEMA nation

TayserMahri:
You have no shame suggesting ethnic federalism. Almost as if you live in Mars. Ethnic federalism would be a death knell. Forget about it! Will never happen. You have to be very naive to believe that your ethnic leaders would not be or would be less corrupt. They are the same people in power now. The voters in Kenya havent arrived at that stage yet. Voter IQ is what am talking about. Even in your local constituency people still vote for leaders who are proximity-wise closer to them despite the lot of you being Kisii people. They wouldn't vote for someone who is from the next village if there is one from their own village. If that is what you suggested to BBI then note that it has already been dismissed.

you are the one who is stupid! what about the county we run now, ain't they structured on ethnic lines, only that they are small in size. dont you know that all the luo counties are 99% luo? what are you even saying, the former provinces weren't they structured along ethnic lines? we are already a tribal society, why not make it official, everyone on his own. Belgium is ethnic federation, Switzerland is an ethnic federation, Germany is an ethnic federation, Spain is an ethnic federation. what are you telling me that i don't know.

kikuyu1:
Dude,the funds will not be handled by Angels! After maybe 4 or 5 election cycles as we mature and discover national,county and personal roles in development,I've no problem devolving up to 50% of revenue. But,counties must also make efforts to raise own revenue not rely on gov teat!

let me tell you something, either you don't live in Kenya or you are feigning ignorance, Kenyan politics will never mature or be tolerant, we missed that train 50 years ago. corruption is rampant in the counties i agree but at least for the first time the turkanas are building there own infrastructure despite the corruption. before, did you ever heard of such projects there, the NFD region was neglected and forgotten land, but with devolution they are slowly emerging, before where were those monies going, if not the the private pockets of criminal kalenjin and kikuyu elites. they impoverish this country for 50 years, 50 years, thats why many Kenyan tribes demanded true federalism in the bomas draft except the kikuyu politicians who ganged up to water it down, mark my words, Kenya will get federalism. its only a matter of time

gallivant:
Federalism is about to destroy Nigeria and Ethiopia. It might be best if implemented in Tanzania. This is basic knowledge for anyone not drunk off Azam energy drink in Kisii.

how is federalism destroying nigeria? and if you read carefully what i wrote, i said TRUE federalism not just federalism, if you don't understand something just ask and you will get an explanation. why are you not giving examples of the countries with true federalism such Germany,united states, Belgium, Spain among many progressive societies with true federalism. of course i don't expect you to understand because you are probably a sympathizer of the ruling criminals from central.

kikuyu1:
You'll truly regret real federalism-sociopolitically we're not there yet. You're looking for a quick fix to our poverty which isn't wholly founded in politics but in the economic template that runs the entire world.
I touched on this earlier,let me summarize: early 70s a barrel of oil was 2-2.50 USD. The Arabs instituted a sale boycott after the 1973 loss to Israel pushing up prices 3x-OVERNIGHT!!
At the same time price of our tea,timber,coffee, cocoa etc remained stagnant. Yes,corruption, incompetence and negative ethnicity haven't helped us but the oil shock is still being felt generations later.
You should know skewed economic systems shortchange us regularly. Under invoicing and transfer pricing are actually the least harmful. Some trade agreements are set in stone backed up by force. Heard of the Pact Coloniale- the French agreement with their (ex) colonies? Til recently they kept 85% of their currency in Paris! I could go on and on but hope you see the picture.

but you will agree with me that our political structure is largely for the inequality in Kenya, pre 2013, my village had never seen a tarmacked road, now we have them, we did not have even a modern market now they are there, go to oyugis and homabay towns and see how the little devolved fund are transforming the countryside, what if we could devolve 50% of the functions of national government and funds? africa is not europe, in africa politics dictates development. the sooner we get true federalism the better for us.

tylann:
Show us the govt data you said

are you disputing the above list?

Yobeezy:
That guy is a Tanzanian, yesterday I mentioned him with kisii language but he didn't reply.

do you want to tell me that kisii county is only made up of the omogusii, you see you don't even know kenya, climb down from your tribal high horse kijana, what is the tribal composition of RUGA in kisii county?

tylann:
Does Lagos have all these facilities you are talking about

thats a good question, and if you been reading my posts, i haven't said lagos is heaven, but its still better than Nairobi, and if you've been reading what the Nigerians are saying, a city is not just about skycrappers, there are many things that count for a city to qualify as livable. the day Kenyan govt will build jogoo road, juja road, Mombasa road and waiyaki way to the standard of thika road and outer ring road is the day ill believe they are serious about Nairobi, plus of course the full implementation of the affordable housing schemes.

tylann:
Let me ask you a question has your kisii governor performed any better than mike sonko

way way better, its not even close, one of the best in the country, Kisii refferal is one of the best in the former nyanza region, feeder roads have been paved, gusii stadium is so beautiful constructed, ECDE facilities everywhere, what has the thug in Nairobi done, other than water grasses in Nairobi in the name of beautification.

mtisTheQubit:
ati gava ya Kenya ilisema ati 60% ya nai ni ghetto..ako kamsee shida ni nini?

wewe ndo uko shida, hii ndo list ya nairobi ghetto halafu subtract the remaining estate uniambie ni wapi si ghetto.
kawangware
kangemi
kariobangi
kariadudu
dandora
huruma
maringo
jerusalem
ofafa
maringo
baba dogo
gomongo
mwiki
mathare
mathare slum
kibera
most of dagoretti
most part of wanye
kayole
pipeline
the mukurus
most part of eastleigh
kiambiu
mlango kubwa
deep sea.........

the list is endless and i know you know what i mean by concrete slums, some of the estate i have mentioned above makes entire constituencies, some have small pockets of middle class housing devt. like dago but mostly slums. now from the list above, can you compute the total landmass as a percentage of nairobi estates, plus the list isn't.

gallivant:
Poor coward Tanzanians would rather hide behind Kenyan anonymity because they can't stand on their own feet. Join the list of pathetic Tanzanians my friend.

rant however you what, it will never change the facts that the Nigerians have provided here. let me tell you something, in life there are two kinds of envy, black and white envy. black envy is when someone progress makes you uncomfortable thereby prompting you to plot his downfall, white envy is when someone success makes you uncomfortable but instead of plotting his downfall you find a way of achieving the same, i smell a lot of black envy from you towards the Nigerians, if they are such a failure why did we go to benchmark with their BRT? because what you keep saying is nothing good can ever come from Nigeria. am sorry for you man, the soon you accept the facts the better for you. what do we say in Kenya; ACCEPT AND MOVE ON

the biggest problem with some Nigerians is that they are not very patriotic, whenever something small goes wrong in their country, they are all over the media bashing the Govt and its devt. record, maybe this is how you express your patriotism, i will never know. and i know that these kind of ranting might have prompted Kenyans to believe that we are way ahead of Nigeria and hence the creation of this thread , so now when you actually unleash the true picture of Lagos and other Nigerian cities, not the ones shown on BBC and Aljazeera, people actually are like damn i din't know Lagos has that kind of infrastructure? the beauty of life is to accept that someone is greater than you, we cannot all be equal, Kenyans lets accept that Nigeria despite all its shortcomings is still the giant of Africa, we are an emerging economy with great prospects, but trying to prove something that will never add value to your life is insanity, i use to believe also like many Kenyans that Nigeria was a lost cause, a backward society. stop getting your news from BBC, CGTN and the rest, youtube is free, take a tour of Nigeria from the comfort of your living room and maybe, just maybe you will understand that Nigeria is not our mate. its sportsmanship, asiyekubali kushindwa sio mshindani.

Problemkid1:
You know my problem here. My problem here is that, you're not close to me? I would have take you to a nice place I spend my last money on you. You're truly a pan africanist

thank you my brother, i already enjoy the discussion here, i already feel like you are here in my living room. Tbh with you, i get pissed off when someone is trying so hard, despite the reality, he is still pushing that Nairobi is greater than Lagos, i mean what metrics do they use to justify these fallacious claims, public transport in Nairobi is hell, do they tell you how many man hours Kenyans are loosing everyday in Nairobi trying to get to work, our own Govt data says that nairobi is 60% slums, don't just think its the tin shack houses only, there are numerous concrete ghettos in nairobi with 10 by 10 rooms where sometimes more than 10 tenants share one bathroom and one toilet almost 80% of nairobi Eastland fall under this category, most nairobi estates don't even have playgronds, public primary/secondary schools, social halls, public health facilities etc, and the ones that are there were built in the 80's and you know why? the plots allocated for these projects have been grabbed, our architect body says that for nairobi to regain its former glory massive demolitions will have to be undertaken.

TayserMahri:
Make sure you voice your ingenious solutions in the upcoming referendum. We don't want empty noise makers.

i have already voiced my opinion to the BBI when they held there sittings here in kisii town, my take is that we go the Ethiopian way, Ethnic federalism, let every one develop at there own pace, use there resources however they wish, elect leaders they believe we deliver for them, not ethnic kings whose only objective is to run the country a ground through wanton looting of the country's meager resources. time has come for a honest restructuring of kenya, we cannot keep lying to ourselves, let those of you who want to continue electing mediocre leaders like Waititu and Sonko have your own states to do with as you wish, those of us who want to elect technocrats like Ongwae nyong'o and oparanya should also have our own states.

obaaderemi:
cossano, they say you are Tanzanian.

am kenyan from kisii county, don't mind them., can't you see these people just like baseless arguments? majority of them here comes from regions that are sympathetic to the status quo in my country, take whatever they tell you with a pinch of salt. look at the kind of governors they are electing to manage the so called most developed city in Africa, Nairobi, a known criminal and they expect kenya to prosper, never under the sun, no matter how loud they keep yapping here, the reality sinks in once they log off from nairaland and face the reality that is nairobi's endless traffic jam, chaotic transport sector and lack of social amenities in 70% of nairobi estates. i mean how can one elect Sonko for Nairobi Governor and expect better from this illitrate and known criminal, i weep for Nairobi and Kiambu, that is why we demand true federalism when referundum comes.

my country Kenya is beautiful, no doubt about that, but every Kenyan know that just like any other sub- Saharan Africa country, our politics have really dragged us behind, someone has posted that Nairobi holds about $54 billion dollars with an economy roughly about $99 billion, can't you guys see the problem? how can one city hold about 60% of its nations wealth, what happens if Nairobi is drowned in nuclear bomb? its time real federalism is introduced in Kenya to decentralize some of these excess wealth in Nairobi. everything in Kenya is about Nairobi. political patronage and tribalism is killing Kenya. no meaningful development will ever come to Kenya with its current political structure. you got to give it to Nigeria on this one, at least every state in Nigeria you can find a billionaire and a descent capital not in my country

w1234:
Listen here carefully
Citizen TV and KTN TV show nollywood movies the question is who watches them ?? Only housemaids and semi illiterates watch them and maybe you of course

Conduct survey on kenyans on what they like to watch nollywood will not nor Nigerian music will not feature
But Tanzanian music will feature not Nigerian

Wacha kuharibia kenya jina hapa ww umelipwa ama

are these housemaids,housewives and semi-illiterates not Kenyans, stop dismissing what you don't understand

Acadavah:
Has any kenyan not see this drink?

thank you man, this drink is so popular in kenya right now that any kenyan pretending not to have seen it is just a bloody liar.

w1234:
Not ours you are not a Kenyan

Bring the figures here tylann wants to show you something

my friend am Kenyan, believe what you will, but know this, Nigerian is greater than kenya, in many aspects, we are doing better in some aspects as has been alluded before, so let me leave it here. you are the type of Kenyans that don't see the problem with this country, a true Kenyan should learn to speak the truth even if its not popular, so many people do like the truth coz it hurts... we are living in a messed up country it is the percentage of mess that you guyz are trying to defend here..so what! and if you go back on the post i have made nowhere have i defended Nigeria, am making like for like comparison, not painting a whole country with one big brush like some of you hypocrites, i know Kenya, i was born in nairobi, went to school there from primary to college, lived in mombasa btwn 2006 and 2008, lived in kisumu and now kisii where am back home, i know Kenyans, we start shit.. get a life and see that this country is headed for tougher economic times, tell me this? what sort of economy grows at 6.3% with negative job growth? and you are here celebrating mediocrity. no wonder the country is being run a ground under your own eyes. i am a proud african, i'll watch an african production over hollywood anytime anyday. kama hiyo ndo ushamba wacha niitwe mshamba.

mtisTheQubit:
to be fair i dont listen or watch that crap..its just me

it doesn't matter whether you listen to it or not, the fact is majority of kenyans know more about nigeria through thier music and movies, its one of the biggest export, even tanzanian entertainment industry is bigger than ours.