₦airaland Forum

Problemkid1:
Bro the thing here is that you came late. We're not denying that our country is not better. We know that our country has already fvcked up big time, our government has taking us to the wrong place. But your brothers here the ones denying Everything, instead of them to accept that their country is not unstable but they will keep denying it and still lying untop and that is why we are also doing the same thing. You should start from the beginning of the thread and see how it goes. Most of our nigeria brothers are no more interested but your foolish brothers will still bring something bad about nigerians/Nigeria to provoke the nigerians so that they will continue the argument again. They don't want to let this argument go?

i agree its about time these arguments go.. i mean any rightful thinking kenyan wouldn't compare Nigeria with Kenya, Nigeria is obviously richer but at the same we should all agree that there is a lot to be done about our governance, i am a die-hard pan-africanist and i wouldn't want these back and forth arguments about nothing blur my views on the current and future state of our beloved motherland, i take what is going on here as just a usual locker room banter and nothing more because the truth will always remain the truth.

Problemkid1:
Now you're talking like a educated person. But your foolish brothers are the ones claiming they're better than others except South Africa! You should direct that message to them.

you are also not doing justice to the ordinary nigerians by denying the obvious social problems in nigeria today, nigeria being the largest and the richest black majority country on earth should be doing better that its currently doing. i salute ordinary nigerians for bringing nigeria to the point it is today,if only the nigerian system function as well as great nigerian exports such as nollywood, and the music industry, nigeria would be five times what it is today, nigerian government just like all other sub-saharan countries have really let down its people, direct that anger towards them

Problemkid1:
But we're not starving now like you people. We're in 2019 may according to your brother tlann or Tylann

what i have found out while following this thread is the foolish African pride on show. Kenyans, Tanzanians and Nigerians are all shouting how their various countries are great, but the facts are there for everyone to see, we are all poor, to keep denying these fundamental facts is like endorsing the corrupt and inept leadership of our various countries, yes there are positives in every country but the negatives far much outweighs the positives. Lets keep talking to one another but not at each other. please let civility reigns even as we display our arrogant patriotism.

gallivant:
Ongata Rongai Town, Kajiado County

86th largest town in Kenya but it's growing fast

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5330/30472251713_c82640462f_h.jpg

Ronga, i use to live around nkoroi before i moved out of nairobi, a nice town by the way,rich too!

samorobo:
Long story.
Do you agree that those were 3d images, and that you posted them to create an impression that massages kisum's ego

this schools are already operational i wish i had the current photos, supper beautiful schools though, your Govt should adopt this design. the round one is the crown jewel, i have never seen such a beautiful public school, the toilets are all water closets. seriously, me i don't engage in hopeless argument, when something is good its good and it should be commended. there are many things i admire about nigeria too.

samorobo:
Your last two pictures are 3d images. Hit this thread with real image, I mean actual image if what's on ground. In the meantime bye

you wanted real pictures here they are, these schools are testefully designed, they have modern kitchen, dinning halls, two basketball courts, two swimming pool etc. so come slowly on kisumu.

samorobo:
Your last two pictures are 3d images. Hit this thread with real image, I mean actual image if what's on ground. In the meantime bye

scroll down or even visit kuoni trust, the contractor website and see for yourself, some are completed others are at various stages of completion, around 90% complete i have also given you a least of the schools just google and see for yourself. remember this is phase one. there are upto 3 phases. another one.

another kenyan city surrounded by nature just like Nairobi, Jealousy will one day kill all of you Nigerians. Kisumu kiboko bay, come watch Hippos as you enjoy the cool breeze from lake victoria.

more photos of Kisumu public schools, these are schools located in the so called slum belt, spot the difference with the crumbling public school infrastrature you people have in nigeria, cant even compare, so shut up. when you are still sitting on stones in your public schools Kisumu is building futuristic public schools.

these are just some of the schools the german government has completed constructing in Kisumu, remember kazikazi, these are public schools!
1.kasagam secondary
2.manyatta arab primary
3.kanyamedha both primary and secondary
4.migosi primary
5.nyamasaria primary
6,Bar union primary
7.Magadi primary school

google these schools and tell me if mwanza has anything close to these.

Kazikazi:
Kisumu city
Kenya's 3rd biggest metropole
Bicycles taxis

these bicycle taxis are actually very comfortable, even people in the middle class use them. kisumu is a long lying city, a plain, am even intending to start a bicycle sharing company there. look at beijing and the number of bicycles there, can you say beijing is poor because its people use bicycle, remember kisumu is the only UN millenium city in Africa, i wish you would visit there soon and witness whta the geman government is doing there with public school infrastructure and the AFD with the roads and housing initiative. soon you will be shocked.

Mbakuthegreat:
@Yobeezy
@Jonraid
@kikuyu1
@tylann
@rvp2018 (You too)

Low IQ fools use your brains. Africa is the most underpopulated continent in the world, DRC is half the size of Europe, so its Europe which is overpopulated, now imagine if our lands reflected its population? We would have strong economic and militaristic powers in Africa, which is exactly why they the west doesn't want Africas population to grow while at the same time making sure that their population grows by taking in migrants and paying their women to have more kids. Living standard doesn't matter, economic power and militaristic power matters. While Botswana has a high living standar(and rising gdp) it will never be able to come up to the economy of that of a bigger population like Nigeria or to its militaristic power. Botswana differiante from the rest of Africa and its neighbouring countries. Botswana was a protectorate and was not colonized by white people and it found its minerals after independence and is one of few african countries with nationalized minerals. The reason Botswana has maintained it success of high living standard is because foreign governments didn't put its mind to infiltrate it successfully and import revolution, poverty and hunger unlike in many other African countries, and Botswana is a story of good leadership. Look at Lybia, it used to have one of the highest living standard in Africa until the west overthrew Gaddafi, now the country is shattered with war, poverty and hunger. Living standard didn't matter as long as they didn't have the capacity to defend themselves, Lybia has 6 million people.

In every continent the countries with the highest populations are the ones with the biggest GDP and Military. The biggest economy in Asia is China(1.3+ bilion people) followed by Japan(120+ million people), India(1.3+ billion people), and Indias economy is rising quickly and will surpass Japan eventually because its still an EMERGING economy. Indonesia with 260+ million people is rising quickly also and if it remain it stability, the order of Asia top GDP in the future will be China, India and Indonesia. Japans population is declining and they are thinking on taking in more migrants to maintain their economy, just like countries in europe are taking in migrants and paying their women.

In Europe(not counting in trancontinental countries such as Russia and Turkey) German has the highest population(80+ million) and also the highest GDP. It is followed by France and U.K which have the next highest populations(both 65+ million), and the next 2 highest GDP. Italy has the 4th highest population(60 + million) and 4 highest GDP, then spain has the 5th highest population and 5 highest GDP.

In South America its the same, Brazil has highest population and highest GDP, followed by Colombia and Argentina whom also follow the next highest GDP after each other. The same in North America. U.S has the highest population and highest GDP. Mexico has the second highest population(120+) and is a country filled with corruption which creates disfunction to the economy but still it has the third largest GDP after Canada(37+ million), closely behind. It will easily surpass Canada if it gets its act together and become stable.

So i hope you see a pattern now, and see that it shouldn't come as a surprise why Nigeria has the biggest economy in Africa, all while its politically unstable. Also the reason why China will surpas U.S.A economically it thankly due to its high population which gives it a big advantage. China already work as one unit and they can quickly make economic reforms which in U.S takes time.

The reason Nigeria can be deemned as Africas saviour is because of its big population, it has the ability to become Africas superpower and defend Africa and help it develope. But that is only if it get its act together, along with DRC. These two countries can be Africas salvation. I can't emphasize enough how important population growth is for Africa. Botswana is almost twice the size of Germany but only has 2 million people while Germany has 82, if Botswana with its current form of stability had the population of Nigeria it would be a world power military and economically. Low population is one of the reason the French colonies are still being looted by France, in Burkina Faso it was the big young population who went together and overthrew the puppet president but it's much harder in Gabon with its low population. The more people you are the more you will demand control of your resources. In the french colonies its not the africans who control the resources but french companies which is why you don't read about african billionaires from these colonies. The french president has been going around spreading propaganda that africans are overpopulating the world because it will be harder for them to continue looting Africa with a bigger population who will demand control of their resources.

A country like Botswana would never be able to defend itself from the west because it lacks any kind of power, it just has high living standard. Poverty is a bigger problem in U.S compared to Luxemburg(600 thousand people), Luxemburg has the highest living standards in the world, but unlike U.S, Luxemburg is not a superpower, whether economically or military. Botswana will suffer economically because of its low population just like many europeans are doing right now, it won't be able to mantain its economy and living standard because it will suffer an aging problem faster than the rest of Africa and it will either need to take in migrants to mantain the GDP and living standard or find another way to higher its population.

A bigger population give rise to a bigger variety of better leaders and a bigger population also has a higher chance to overthrow bad leadership than a smaller one. In China, their revolution 70 years ago was because of the high unemployment(had a population of 500 million people then), but today they have a strong leader which has uplifted them out of poverty and they see how things have changed for the better, going from one of the poorest countries in the world, to become the superpower it is today. Most chinese support its government. Development always comes with good leadership, its not a matter of how big the population is. You can have low population and poor development, high population and high development(Japan(or China)), vice versa.

South Africa is the legacy of apartheid and when the whites took their land the tribes weren't millions and they weren't united, today they have increased their population and are right now fighting together to get back their land because its many of them. In Namibia they are not as vocal because they are a low population. Its much harder for foreigners to come in a country like Nigeria with over 150 million people and control all their resources because the people would ''eventually'' start an uproar, the bigger population you have the more the people are going to demand control of their resources which S.A is demanding right now. The reason Nigeria has one of Africas biggest army is because of its population advantage and it has one of the highest GDP not because it is an economically superpower in Africa, its all due to its big population, because bigger population creates higher GDP since it means more workers. Imagine if Nigeria got its act together politically and lowered it unemployment, it would surpass all European countries economically because it has a population advantage.

Botswana has no power, only high living standard. If the west attacked Africa right now, what power would we have to defend ourselves? Botswanas inpact in helping Africa stopping the war would be nothing compared to a country with lower living standard but a bigger population like Kenya or Tanzania. Use your brains for god sake. Do you people even know what the ''catch up effec'' is? Read about it: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/definition/catch-up-effect

Low IQ is why Africa remains poor, if you remove africans from africa and replace them with any other non africans it will prosper.

you have really taken me to class, these is actually true.

samorobo:
You are right. But can you be compassionate a bit, next year drought is going to be disastrous and will only bring famine to their arid land

lol! yo gotta love Nigerians, pretending that they are sympathizing with our plight but deep inside they are envious as witches of osogbo

Kazikazi:
Don't run from the truth.Where is this place?

those makeshift structures you see are market tents not houses where people live. the residential areas are pretty descent. ask your brother who has refused to go back to nigeria, chinedu is married from those sides, he will tell you kiboswa is way tooo descent to be put side by side with makoko. i don't know ojuelegba...etc

edon21:
tylaan can't waste my precious time with you bro
you do think that studying in the states is a big dream . don't you? well , fyi it's not. you'll still have to struggle like everyone.
and I'm currently in owerri Nigeria if you care

Stay home and build owerri so that after some years we will come and compare owerri and awendo market centre ;Dplease do not go and drown in the mediterenean, we are tired of burying your nigerians, oh how i long for the day nigeria will be set free by young nigerians. just sorry for you.

this is what more than 40 years of oil wealth as brought to nigeria, filth everywhere, these people don't even know how to take care of their environment, SAD!!

as soon as september, these will be the new face of slums in nairobi, this is not a dream its ongoing as we speak, the first occupants will move in in september, watch out makoko dudes

obaaderemi:
Your people are running away to ordinary Somalia, you are here talking about Europe and Gulf countries. So you mean,your government sanctioned slavery of your people in Gulf countries with a MOU?

Probably sold by Nigerians whom we will soon kick out of this country once and for all. for your information, i have friends and relatives who are working in the Gulf who earns an average of Kes.100,000.00 tax free every month, how many Nigerians earn such kind of monies, you are here talking and you cant even pay your civil servants. recently our Govt formed an authority that will directly link kenyan job seekers with foreign companies, does your cattle rustling govt have such initiatives in place? all you know is raid graves and sell body parts.NKT

lagos slums
agege
Ajegunle
Amukoko
Badia
Bariga
Bodija
Ijeshatedo/Itire
Ilaje
Iwaya
Makoko
Mushin
Oke-Offa Babasale
Somolu
Ikorodu

nigerians please hide lagos, atleast that abuja is special, but lagos, filthy, congested, polluted, smelly. you guyz have a floating slum! is this even possible, how do these people even poo. or they poo on the lagoon. SICK

samorobo:
Nonsense if the amount of people living in kibera is more than that in lagos can't your common sense if you have any tell you that we would have held the slum capital title world wide

do you want us to bring up the number of people living in kibera like condition in lagos verses the actual numbers living in kibera? just imagine Nairobi has approximately 5 million people whereas people living in slums alone in Lagos is well over 10 million, Lagos has the worst air in the entire africa, soon you will be worse than Beijing in terms of air pollution. the only frightening thing is that your people won't be able to afford air like the chinese, clean up your act men. or choke to death

samorobo:
You are trying to heal your wound.

@your last pic that is the real kisumu which is exactly what Kazikazi posted a canal

there is no wounds to heal, just plain facts.

samorobo:
Trying to sound responsible. Anyway let me answer as one.

Oil & gas sector is taking a new route now.
Dangote refinery
Nigeria lng
Just read on those two

the only problems is oil and gas wont help you anymore, who will buy the adulterated fuel coming from that conman's refinery, almost every country in africa is discovering oil, Kenya and Uganda oil, Natural gas in tanzania and mozambique. east, central and southern african market is sealed off from you, its called comesa if you don't know. that leaves you with west and north, and every west african country now has oil and/or gas. woe unto you. you are doomed with that refinery, you should have made hay while the sun shone.

tylann:
Dodoma Tanzania capital city

even RUIRU is much more developed than that shithole

obaaderemi:
The whole of Kenya is already wiping the asses of its white settlers at home by handling them their best land to plant tea and flowers.
Meanwhile your youths are also drowning to get to Europe, not to talk of Kenyans slaving away in Arab countries or the ones also sold in Libya.

You wish men, that is not kenya. Thats Nigeria, plus you have just said how important FDIs are, these tea plantations are FDIs, so what are you saying. our people who work in the gulf do so as a result an MOU between Gok and the Gulf countries, we don't go there illegally, its not our nature to emigrate illegally, look at every country we are in including south African, we are loved, because we value professionalism and not cutting corners.

obaaderemi:
Because Nigeria does not need international organizations headquarters to survive like Kenya does.
The main thing is foreign direct investment(FDI) and Nigeria gets a lot of that more than Kenya.
Don't you think that's what matters and not some glossed up headquarters that adds little to your economy?

what are these if not FDI, Have you seen the number of Kenyan reporters born, bred and educated in Kenya who are presenters and reporters in the above mentioned media houses? i can't even count, CGTN Africa is just like an ordinary Kenyan news channel. grow up this institution are the ones that attract foreign investments, 4G internet is everywhere even in the remotest parts of Kenya, we are leading in many things my friends. keep yapping there kibera, the number of people living in kibera-like conditions in lagos is bigger than the entire population of Nairobi. and you are here talking slums. SHAME, BIG SHAME.

Kazikazi:
I think we need more research on these people. They are worshipping white dudes to death. How can u give ur land then u starve and wait for food aid from same white dudes? Or why can't they force those white dudes to grow food crops on those farms?

Very strange people. I remember they had their first Attorney general after independence. a black man. Charles njonjo. A guy hated Africans! He refused to fly an aircraft with African pilot. He didn't even allowed black lawyers to practice. Charles njonjo retired. But I still can't understand his logic.remember, a guy was well educated.but he behaved as if his brain was "shitholed"

yet you drown every goddamn time trying to reach europe to worship the same whites you say we worship here, have you ever heard Kenyans drowning in the Mediterranean trying to reach europe inorder to wipe old white dudes asses. you guyz are the real slaves, always soiling the reputation of the black race everywhere you are. fruit pickers in italy are nigerians, prostitutes in the streets of major white countries-nigerians, you guyz can't tell us nothing just foolish pride,

obaaderemi:
The Kenyans always want to appear sophisticated to their white masters,so they would rather give their best land to white farmers to grow tea and flowers than give the land to local farmers to grow maize.

its working, don't you think so? i mean look at every reputable media house from cnn,aljazeera,cgtn,cnbc. to name but a few have their african HQs Nairobi. there has to be something special about the city. and its not just media, its financial institutions, major embassies, UN bodies, NGOs. which renowned brand has its African HQ in Nigeria or even Dar.

Kazikazi:
Look at this third biggest city in Kenya. Its kisumu.

Kiboswa,kisumu

do you even know where kiboswa is, kiboswa is a rural centre far removed from kisumu city, use your head.

Kisumu has never really needed traffic lights up untill now, rememember getting in and out of kisumu is easier than even getting in and out of nairobi, kisumu has supper highways in all directions. you can get to kisumu without even seeing the cbd. below are just a few roads going in and out of kisumu. plus kisumu is not a big city in terms of population that means that the traffic is pretty low, and being a city on the nyanzian plane we tend to use bicycles alot. get informed kazikazi

Kazikazi:
Do u think am here arguing with a starving nation? Are u not the one who receives food aid in 2019?
Mind u, Tanzania isn't in ur league of nations which starve to death.Go join with ur fellows in Turkana and wait for food rations.

But,I agree with u.Kenya isn't my mate. You starve! While we export food to all these starving nations.United republic of Tz is ahead

the only food tanzania can export to kenya is maize, because its not staple in tanzania and uganda, so its natural for kenya to import from you. just like kenya export irish potatoes to Tz. the Turkana story is old and tired, mind you that the people of turkana have started exporting oil and the largest aquifer discovered in their land recently, soon turkana will be the engine that power Kenya.

obaaderemi:
It's called "coming out of recession". Before the recession we grew at an average rate of 8%.The year before the recession, we had the third fastest economy in the world.And we have started growing again.

there is no day nigeria will ever attain those growth numbers again, only in your wildest dreams. nigeria,tanzania and to some extent south africa are commodity driven economies, and you know whats is going on with the prices of most commodities, as a matter of fact, if the prices of oil fall any further nigeria will slip back to recession.