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naijababe:
Humanitarian yes!!! An endless cashstream to continue to support it as it is, is not feasible. BTW I'm not talking about people who just happen to get sick on a visit. I'm talking about people who have GPs but do not live here and just come to mooch off the system and there are plenty of those!!!

blame those people, don't blame the system.

buzugee:
they are not running a gestapo organization. its a humanitarian thing. they are not oing to turn you down because you are a tourist. even the american system will not turn you down if you are a tourist (though you will have to wait for 10 hours in the county hospital). medical staff chasing targets ? if you dont chase targets you will have no drive and no purpose (like what you see in african countries ), people getting drugs on prescription when it is cheaper to buy it ? well that is not a nhs negative point. thats a human negative point. if i decide to help someone out and they take advantage of me, i am not the one with the problem, the person who took advantage of me is the one with the problem, and rest assured that people who do this kind of behavior are mostly foreigners

this is the reason i think nhs is the best. they take care of everyone free of charge whether young, old, white, black, male, female. that is what health care should be all about.

naijababe:
When I say inefficient, I mean things like health tourists, medical staff chasing targets. People getting drugs on prescription when it's cheaper to buy it and so on

it's still the best health care system in western europe. most of the other countries in europe have insurance schemes tied to their heath care. you are in a country of abundance and you are still complaining. maybe staying in holland or germany for 2 yrs will change your perception!

mbulela:
it has to be more than that o!

well, that's what i heard. blackpool game postponed and i blame o'shea for it. what a boring weekend this will be with others leapfrogging united's pole position.

mbulela:
O Shea to start tomorrow.

rafael will start. oshea has never been a man utd quality. words on the street was fergie slept with o'shea's mom in one of those pre-season tours in ireland.

buzugee:
hehe maybe their treatment program is sectioned. like from the ages of 20 to 50 you are on ya own. anywhere outside of that ? we got ya back  

the fact that anyone can get free health care here in the uk makes nhs peerless in my opinion. germans are also subjected to health insurance schemes like the americans which is bullshyte. don't they also have the worst case of obesity in the whole of europe? germany and nigeria should be mentioned in the same breath. the uk's health care system is loads better.

naijababe:
Replace with a more efficient system that will still employ most of those currently employed. NHS no dey Germany or Holland o, yet they still manage to take care of their sick

from their cradle to their grave like the nhs here? i doubt it.

Mr_TA:
I am strangely not looking forward to the Blackpool game. Freezing hard pitch at their stadium and just hope the players are ready and up for a fight.

we should beat blackpool easily. afterall, the elite team was rested during the week with the b team playing like camels against the hammers. i am so glad fergie now knows oshea and evans have regressed. until they prove they are bang in form, they should never come near the first team again.

debosky:
Sharon
Get this into your head - shyte na shyte.

wax must be in your ears - i am not sharon and i reiterate shyte isn't shyte. what i consider shyte is platinum to you(arsenal fan). what ferguson considers a woeful season will be celebrated by wenger.

debosky:
Glad to see you've admitted the above.

Let me use another analogy for you.

There are two pieces of shyte, one was excreted into a pit latrine, the other was excreted into  gold plated WC with automated butt wipe. Can the latter piece of shyte now claim that because he was released into better surroundings he was better?

Answer: No - a piece of shyte is a piece of shyte, regardless of where it got pooped. 

Now leave me be you silly scumtwats.

a piece of shyte could have class. this is why the saliva of david beckham on ebay is worth more than d'banj's mansion. if beckham decides to put his shyte on ebay, it would be worth more than your 3 bedroom house in onitsha. o'shea is shyte - every man utd fan i know has always reiterated that but his quality of shitness is better than the best quality arsenal can ever produce in terms of laurels won. it says a lot more about your outfit than john o'shea.

john o'shea(man utd's shyte) - 4 league titles, 1 fa cup, 3 carling cup titles, 4 community shields, 1 champions league, 1 fifa world cup
arsene wenger(arsenal's diamond) - 3 league titles, 4 fa cups, 0 carling cup titles, 4 community shields, 0 champs league, 0 fifa world cup

o'shea has won everything in club football while wenger is still struggling to win carling cup and champs league.
now who is the smellier shyte?

debosky:
The same reason a broken clock will be correct twice in a day. I know you struggle to comprehend simple analogies, but give it another try.

shut up debosky. as useless as john oshea is, he has won more medals than any player in the history of arsenal. oshea is shyte but he's man utd's shyt and if our least talented player has won more meaningful titles than arsene wenger then i don't know what to say about arsenal as a club.

naijababe:
Labour my foot. The deficit will continue to rise under them since they are unwilling to man-up and do something about the welfare bill

but that problem won't be yours to worry about and there won't be ridiculous cuts now pinching ur pockets.

Dis Guy:
Labour is only best in a booming economy

You actually think they'll do things that much different?

they wouldn't be cutting everything in sight and hiking the university fees. i am seriously waiting to see how much foreign students will pay in the uni these days. imperial college will charge 40,000GBP per session.

naijababe:
^^^ Agree with you to an extent, but what's the alternative? Labour? Lib-dem? Personally, I think they are all as bad as each other, telling us what we want to hear to get elected. I am apathetic now, maybe I'm going to be voting UKIP at the next election

labour is the best. lib-dem are just idiots who got sucker-punched and had to break half of their promises.

dayokanu:
In a 4-5-1
How many attacking midfielders mark at all?

they all do. rooney plays that role for us. same as gerrard for liverpool, cesc for arsenal and even sneijder for inter milan.

They have 2 CM behind them who do all the marking and the role of the AM is to link up with the Striker, Drop to the wings to draw opposing DM's out of position,

this is one side of the coin(when they are in possession). what happens when not in possession?

In a 4-5-1 The wingers are the ones needed to fall back often.

Most times when Rooney is played as a winger is when he falls back The same role Muller and Podolski play for germany, retrieve the ball from deep, Double with the full back to stifle the opponent

rooney tracks back all the time. gerrard tracks back all the time and cesc tracks back all the time. it's called work ethic. get behind the ball when not in possession and reduce the work load of your defenders.

chamotex:
You people are getting it all wrong.
I'm not blaming Ozil for the loss or anything . . .I'm making and backing up my statement that Ozil that TKB has been screaming all season long does not fit into the United style of play . . . for a central midfielder.

i am not blaming him entirely for the loss as well but i am in agreement with you that he would be a luxury player for a united team that already had berbatov in the team. there's a reason we have the best away record in the history of the champions league and this is because we have hard-working players who defend from the front mostly. ozil will not fit into that system in europe. buying him would mean he's left out of the squad in difficult away fixtures which is simply a waste of money.

chamotex:
And when Ronaldo played for United, he rarely tracked back but Ronaldo is an exceptional player so he gets away with  it most times.
And when we play the bigger sides thats why Fergie tweaks his tactics and plays him up front with Rooney switching wide.

he got away with it because rooney and tevez sacrificed their offensive roles for the good of the team. however, in the games where ronaldo played as a winger in a 4-4-2 system, he tracked back to help his full-back. i saw nothing like that yesterday. real madrid just allowed barcelona players to do their damage. the score line flattered madrid. it should have been 9-0.

dayokanu:
Tell me if Fergie has the option to get Ronaldo now he wont get him? If Manure had the resources and Madrid would trade, Fergie would get Ronaldo in a heartbeat.

he will get him back and use him more effectively in a match of that nature. when united played barca in 07/08 & 08/09, ronaldo was the centre forward. he wasn't given any defensive duties. whether he lost the ball or not, he was not detailed to track back. rooney, park and tevez took care of that because fergie knows the strength/weakness of his prima donna.

dayokanu:
How on Gods green earth would Ozil a Pseudo support striker get near Pedro the Opponent Right winger?

but rooney and gerrard do that every week to track down their opponents.

dayokanu:
[b]Ozil’s defensive task was to pick up Xavi, but Xavi simply moved higher up the pitch where Ozil wasn’t comfortable tracking him – that movement was part of the reason why Xavi found himself in an uncharacteristic centre-forward position for the first goa[/b]l. Xavi was able to leave the centre midfield area to Busquets, who kept things simple and distributed the ball forward excellently

yet more evidence mesut ozil was a liability for madrid yesternight. the player ozil was detailed to man-mark became the man of the match in the game and even got the first goal that set the tone of the match throughout the game. need i say more?

like zm said in that article, the fact that ozil wasn't comfy tracking xavi higher up the pitch simply means the german is not good enough at this level. of what use is staying idle when not in possession when the player you were supposed to be man-marking is deep in your heart of defence causing havoc? i have seen rooney several times sprint 90 yards to track down a winger or a striker and yet mr ozil was just standing like a pillar of salt admiring the architectural structure of the camp nou.

debosky:
So Ozil should've been marking Xavi IN THE BOX 8 yards from goal?   Amazing

xavi was unmarked to get into that position in the first place. a job ozil should be doing. was xavi standing 8 yards from goal when barcelona started the attack from their own half? please reason objectively. when you track players, you stay with them. ozil's function as a player was to offer offensively when in possession and defensively when not in possession. he did nothing throughout the first 45 mins and jose knew playing him against barcelona was a mistake. he can only fit in games where madrid would be in possession for large period in the game. he's a liability in games where madrid would chase their opponents.

How many contradictions can you make? His ego wouldn't let him go defensive, yet he brought on ONLY defensive substitutes? Quit talking rubbish.

you lack basic understanding of the game of football. he did not go defensive, he simply brought on players who would contain barcelona players and press more to the get the ball. without the ball, there's really nothing a team can do. the players responsible for the chasing n pressing were not doing their jobs.

If he had pride, why not take off the Ozil screwing up and put on a striker that can track back instead?

higuain was unfit to start the match and he's not that type of player as well. he's a centre-forward/poacher.

ALL his substitutions were defensive. Arbeloa for Marcelo was a defensive move - Diarra for Ozil was a defensive move.

Barca score 7 MINUTES after half time (after creating 3 chances in the first 5 minutes of the second half) and you're talking rubbish about Ozil being at fault.

arbeola for marcelo wasn't defensive, they are both fullbacks who love to maraud. diarra for ozil was needed because ozil wasn't even doing his duties defensively or offensively. a minus one if i may add. diarra was brought on to press for the ball when barca were in possession. he even played ahead of khedira and alonso.

dayokanu:
This is ridiculous.

Does anyone remember Benzema playing yesterday? Xabi Alonso? Marcelo.

Did any one notice how Pedro ghosted past Marcelo for the second goal or Marcelos role in the fifth goal?

or how the two CB and 2/3 DM were split for the first and 3rd and 4th goal?

Yet Ozil is the problem.

how did pedro get to that position in the first place? if the forward players were doing their jobs, pedro wouldn't sniff that area of the pitch. midfielders are meant to defend from the front when not in possession. when ronaldo was in man utd, he tracked back as a winger. the only time he wasn't burdened with tracking back was when he was a centre-forward with united. tevez tracks back, same as cesc, same as gerrard, same as scholes and yet a german player was having christmas party on the pitch against a talented outfit like barcelona, it's a shame.

debosky:
Ridiculous. . . .Ozil didn't play the ridiculous high line pierced time and time again by Barca. Ozil didn't fail to cut out a cross by Villa for Pedro's tap in.

there's what managers call. . . . . ."you defend from the front". ozil did nothing like that. barca simply passed their way from the back to the front with ozil(who was playing centrally just behind benzema) doing nothing. we see rooney, gerrard and sneijder tracking back to help their midfield, but ozil did none of that.

Ozil wasn't at fault for failing to close down Xavi and leaving him free in the box to tap in the first goal, yet Ozil caused the defeat.  

so who should be tracking down xavi when madrid were not in possession? ronaldo/di maria on the flanks or benzema(the centre-forward)? of course, ozil should be doing the tracking down more. he was the weakest link in the mundial when busquets devalued him, he was still the weakest link yesterday against the spaniards. wrong starting line-up from jose.

NONE of Real's players did anything, with 3 DMs they still shipped three goals, yet it's Ozil's fault, not Casillas, not Ramos and Marcelo who were despoiled time and time again, but Ozil.

Only scumtwats can reason in this way.

dig your head out of the sand. diarra starting a game from 2-0 is different from diarra starting from 0-0. the pride and ego of jose mourinho would not sit back after going 2-0 down and play defensive. they had conceded 2 goals already, the onus had fallen on them to probe forward and get something from the game - and they ended up conceding more. nothing to do with diarra - but the players who conceded two goals earlier in the game.

tkb417:
@Cougar
I agree Lass shd have started but I still believe even with Lass, the possession footie Barca played wouldn't have been hampered. They were just too much for Madrid with Lass or no Lass

barcelona can have the possession, having 100% possession don't always win games. the main issue is staying compact and man-marking the barca players out of the game.

My point is if Carrick with his limited skills can be our material, then Ozil is more than capable to play for us

but carrick performs his tasks effectively against decent sides. carrick played 180 mins against barcelona in 07/08 and he shut down iniesta and xavi.

dayokanu:
Mourinho was clueless yesterday means he is not EPL quality.

Ronaldo was useless means he is not EPL quality, Same with Arbeloa, Sergio ramos, Carvalho, Xabi Alonso, Lass, Benzema, Pepe etc.

The irony is that at least 5 of them have played in the EPL and ruled the EPL. E.g Carvalho, Alonso and Ronaldo

Yet Ozil is to blame. Why not Dimaria or the other EPL icons

ozil was the worst player on the pitch last night closely followed by khedira. they were nervous, they couldn't cut it in the big stage and a young busquets neutralized the whole madrid midfield by dropping deep to help his defence and the way he pressed his opponents to quickly recover the ball.

StarBoard:
My point exactly.Something debosky fails to see for some reason. . .

gaynners don't see clearly. arsene wenger - "i didn't see it".

slimshay:
Na wa oh. Plus educated plus buffoon now feel it is open season on Wenger. Maybe ya'll need to be more enlightened. Only in the mind of pub footballers will Mourinho find a seat beside Wenger at the table of world football.

of course, mourinho's seat can never be beside wenger who has won nothing in europe. mourinho will sit beside sir alex, ancellotti, hitzfeld and pep guardiola while wenger will sit beside avram grant, roberto martinez, david moyes and ian holloway.

jay bee:
I disagree. I'd go with Debosky's view. If RM had started lass they had still get beat only that the scoreline would have been slightly different.
Any team that plays fancy football against barca will simply get beat. Ain't no 2 ways about it.

starting ozil meant real madrid played 4-2-3-1. with lass, the formation would have been different. lass is a defensive midfielder and that means the triangular runs of xavi, iniesta and busquets would have been easier to curtail. ozil offered nothing offensively and defensively, at least lass would offer defensively and they will rely on ronaldo, benzema/higuain and di maria to worry about starting the attacks.

debosky:
Who says? Even if Real played 10 defenders they couldn't have stopped Barca on the night. Lass' introduction did NOTHING to stem the tide - that is enough proof.

but you don't know that. barcelona can be stuffed. mourinho has done that before.

How long did it take Barca to go 2 up against Arsenal at the Emirates? Still the team came back and pegged them to 2-2, so again, there's nothing like 'the rest was history' in this matter.

firstly, arsenal are a hapless side and barcelona were playing away from home - reasons why they were pegged back.

No - Mourinho said himself there was nothing he could do to get a result in this game - he brought Lass on for damage limitation, not because starting Ozil caused the defeat.

starting ozil caused the defeat!

debosky:
I disagree - the fact that Barca scored THREE with three defensive midfielders showed you that they were simply unplayable.

Starting Lass would've been like Mancini starting three DMs - no creativity, no attacking verve and no goals.

The battle was lost with the ridiculously high line the RM defence were playing - it simply NEVER worked all game, and their fullbacks were especially terrible. Both Ramos and Marcelo were murdered.

you don't analyse football like that, if the first half ended 0-0, barcelona wouldn't have scored 3 goals against three defensive midfielders in the second half. the first goal is always very important in big games as it sets the tone of the remaining minutes. real madrid conceded 2 goals within the first 28 mins or so and the rest was history. taking ozil out at half-time suggested jose mourinho knew he made a mistake starting him in the first place. barcelona simply coasted to the final whistle and the morale of their opponents had dropped by then.

debosky:
Clearly he needs to improve defensively, but when you have 'defensive' players like Alonso, Khedira and Lass chasing shadows all game, you wouldn't really expect someone like Ozil to now dominate midfield.

It's his first season in the 'big leagues' so it would be hasty to pass judgement so quickly.

that is not the point. should ozil have started knowing he was defensively poor? had lass started the game instead of ozil, madrid's midfield would have been more secured. by the time lass came on, madrid were 2 goals down and they had to come out of their shells to get something from the game. this exposed them more at the back and more goals were conceded as a result.

tpia@:
i cant help but wonder why africa's focus has always been on exporting her human resources.
did the african slavers have any other motivation besides money?
some things simply arent adding up.

greedy african chiefs stole africa's finest treasure and sold it to the white men. if our people don't have regards for their treasures and finest piece of art works, why should the foreigners?

donclemo:
by force you mean what History Do you know why Oba Ovonramwen was deported to calabar when he was the King of Benin.

go and read some history. the rivalry amongst the various clans played into the hands of the white men. clan x invites the whitemen to go raid clan y  because the king of clan x is obsessed with the guns, liquor and mirrors of the white men. what you don't know is there were slaves in africa even before the arrival of the white men. africans also enslaved their fellow africans. a situation the white men found amusing and they simply joined the party.

buzugee:
and this absolves the white man for his part right ? i see you been sniffing glue again right ? 

if you call your dad a "naughty person" in the presence of your friends, what do you expect them to call him? slavery was a standard practise in africa before the arrival of the white men. they simply took part in the normal practise - a tradition they met while exploring africa.

buzugee:
well if thats the case, stop letting them in. right ? the uk is an island. you cant swim into it. you either come through dover or heathrow. maybe gatwick. is it so hard to plug those itty bitty holes ? or are the rich 1 percent in bed with the govt to let in cheap labour so as to reduce their cost of production ?

so how do you stop letting them in? how do you discern between the genuine visitor and the one who doesn't plan to return to his home country? it's a complex situation. the only real effective method is to put a cap on the immigration. by doing that, they will reduce the percentage of the defaulters who lie they are students who would leave after their studies but ended up staying for the rest of their lives.

chamotex:
It's not because he had a bad game TKB. Seems like you are missing the point.
Defensive quality here doesnt mean he should go and play in defence or turn himself into a Vidic . . . It's about what he does off the ball and how hungry he is to get the ball back.

ozil is not premier league quality. he is too lazy defensively, his task was to track xavi hernandez and he failed woefully doing that. one can excuse ozil, khedira, di maria and benzema have never played in such a tension-soaked match before. di maria particularly looked nervous and fluffed his opportunities. barcelona won primarily because of the cohesion and quality of the interplay in midfield. their passing patterns in the centre of the pitch are the result of years of experience playing together, something real madrid couldn’t cope with. i can't wait to see the reverse fixture in april at the bernebau.

milehigh06:
uktrader,after your ancestors robbed africa of all her natural wealth you have the nerve to open that dump you call a mouth,b4 u talk,yankee here and will never ever want to come to your useless agbero of a country

fellow africans aided the white men to rob africa of her natural wealth. go and read a bit of history.