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cabali:
Is it me or is this a new chelsea playing . . . . . .

arsenal are weak.

too many tackles in this match. both teams should relax.

nateevs:
How do you know Bosingwa is fit?

andy gray mentioned it.

damn. terry should have been booked there. he still bullies referees.

dayokanu:
Dem don deyb molest clichy again

kalou is killing him.

what a shot from clichy!!!!!

ancellotti is tactically daft. . . .playing ferriera against nasri? ivanovic is fit, bosingwa is fit. why not play bosingwa as the right back.

chamotex:
I have a feeling Arsenal will win tonight.
Chelsea cant keep molesting them every match.

that will happen after drogba retires.


what a chance. . . . . .van persie?? ??

ElRazur:
Dude, I do not give two monkeys right now. I have watched you wax lyrical about things that are very simple, yet you missed so I won't let this one go.  The point is Koseni cannot be blamed soley for the goal. You have tried in vain to divert the attention here. Just stop it.

it's a matter of opinion. i have shown you the digital images. it was a long ball from van der sar and koscielny is doing a midfielder's job getting into that position. it's a wrong move. i understand why some fans are saying wilshere should have tracked back and get into koscielny's position but that is asking an 18 yr-old rookie to think like a veteran. kos knows wilshere is not that experienced and yet he gambled by leaving his position to be exploited. in that regard, kos messed up and his wages should be deducted.

High line or Sitting deep is not the point right now, but the fact that you try to give some weak arguement that Koseni should not have gone up (Even though technically, this is what he is supposed to do tactically).

vidic and rio will not leave their positions to contest for the ball in that area of the pitch. this is why they are highly rated and koscielny is not. this is not the french league where he came from. he needs to get his bearings right. if you are going for the ball, make sure you win it. if you are not sure of winning the header, stay put and hold your position. the blogger is high blaming wilshere for koscielny's irresponsibility.  

cougar left his wallet in his back-pocket and his pocket was picked but el razur should have chased the robber so el razur should be blamed.  
that incident would have been avoided entirely if i didn't put my wallet where it could be stolen.

ElRazur:
Dude stop talking unecessarily.

Arsenal always played a High line with CB and LB providing covers or pushing up when needed.  Hence why you will see someone like Clichy running with the ball on the side to get cross in or why you will see Koseni in the box of the opponent at crucial times.

The point is your argument is flawed in regards to the original point you are trying to make.

man utd don't play high line against the big teams and they also have evra and rafael marauding on the flanks. arsenal are too defensively weak to be playing high line. you don't have the calibre of defenders to cope with it. the reasons why teams score plenty of counter attacking goals against arsenal is the "ineffective" high line. if you defend deep, you are not going to be caught via counter-attack like gareth bale/van der vaart ripped you open at the emirates or rooney/nani did last season at the emirates. wenger should learn from his past mistakes.

ElRazur:
We are not sitting deep defensively, but playing a high line so as to close them down. So on that count alone, your argument don fall apart. But ride on, let me watch you carry on.

high line against man utd? no wonder arsenal have not won in 11 games against chelsea and man utd. no wonder arsenal are also prone to counter attacks. until wenger learns to defend deep and contain, his team will continue to suffer.

ElRazur:
Go back and read the link and study the frames included.  I swear, I am not convinced you read the thing and understand am well well.

i have read the link. the blogger is saying wilshere should have quickly tracked back to fill in the space koscielny left behind but my own argument is koscielny shouldn't have left his position in the first place. darren fletcher had the ball there not cristiano ronaldo or batistuta(players who can hurt from long distance). arsenal can defend deep - why get attracted to the ball like they must nullify every threat in any area of the pitch. there's no harm letting the opponents have the ball 40-50 yards away from goal. just have the back four position and you are safer than forcing it.

if kos had stayed in his position, it would have been 2 man utd players versus three arsenal defenders. fletcher and wilshere were almost on the same spot and i am sure wilshere would have fouled fletch or slide-tackled him.

[img]http://desigunner.files./2010/12/koscielny-forced-out-of-position.jpg?w=450&h=196[/img]

kos going for that ball resulted to this

[img]http://desigunner.files./2010/12/rooney-free-to-pick-nani.jpg?w=450&h=200[/img]

be honest, which is worse?

proudly9ja:
Maybe if Wilshere did his job of contesting for that header, maybe, just maybe Kos wouldn't have NEEDED to move out of position. Wishere made two mistakes, one he did not contest for the header and two he did not cover for Kos when the latter went out of position.

i disagree. there's no problem letting united have the ball in that area of the pitch as long as arsenal's back four are in position. fletcher will have to shoot from 40 yards to score and he's not that talented. apart from counter-attacks, arsenal's biggest problem is when their defenders get too attracted to the ball. vermaelen made loads of mistakes last season because he gets too drawn to the ball. the space he leaves is the space their opponents exploit and score. that has to change.

ElRazur:
What else did he say?  

Did he not mentioned how Wilshere didn't do some stuff and suggested it may be down to inexperience? Did he not also mentioned that the back two were in a stretched position and caught with two deadly forwards coming towards them?  Come on now, no dey do me wayo.

Here is the exact quote

" Wilshere is ambling around in loads of space completely unaware of his responsibility. As a direct result, Koscielny is forced to come wide and the defence was stretched. "

fact remains koscielny was dealing with a secondary problem going for that header.  the primary problem is not leaving acres of space behind where united forward players can run into. let fletcher win the header - what danger does fletcher carry in that area of the pitch? nothing!

p.s. wenger is sensible after all, van persie starts, fabianski starts, walcott starts.

ElRazur:
Read the link please. I am too tired for a long debate. Take time to read the first link I posted. You know, the one proudly naija took his time to read. Thanks.

i read the link and the blogger also felt koscielny shouldn't be going that far up the pitch to win a simple header.

ElRazur:
What I like about the analysis is that people appeared to blamed Koseni for the goal, but this guy analysis showed it is more down to Wilshere inexperience as Koseni was caught in a stretched position.

why was koscielny contesting a header that far up the pitch without considering the huge gap he would leave at the back? unless instructed to do so by wenger(which is moronic), koscielny should get the blame for that goal. when a centre-back makes as many tackles as kos makes in a single game, then it's obvious his positional discipline is appalling.

[quote author=Becomrich? link=topic=575284.msg7417075#msg7417075 date=1293472154]I get your point now. What this pictures are, are cities in Nigeria. And you can see that if place some cities with others, at the same scale. The nigeria govt is telling lies about the census figure of states.

The map that has ondo state show you the oil well in ondo state , while the map that have akwa ibom state show you the oil well in akwa ibom state.

But the Nigeria government is paying akwa ibom 9 billion naira a month and paying ondo state state 2 billion for oil derivation. Which is unfair.[/quote]are the same number of barrels of oil produced in akwa ibom and ondo state? are there more people in ondo state than akwa ibom? what is the land mass of ondo state in comparison with akwa ibom? those are the statistics you need to provide not maps.

[quote author=Becomrich? link=topic=575284.msg7416870#msg7416870 date=1293468679]cou-gar  , keep your mouth shut you  illiterate. Go to school and get off the internet.  And I dont know how  illiterate like you now have access to the internet.

legislature has nothing to do with it. It is Jonathan and his ministers who rules Nigeria. The  legislature are just legal arm of government who make laws. Jonathan is the one collecting the money and he knows where this money are coming. Not the  legislature which he has been blaming for everything he does wrongs.

The truth is , they have been running this scam for a long time. Even Bayelsa state, Jonathan home state   does not have that have up to ondo state but he gives bayelsa about 5 billion a month and give ondo state about 2 billion and Akwa Ibom about N9 billion .

We can see the location of the well from satellite picture. I can post all of the state. And there is fraud involve the way the derivation are made. State which does not produced east are give oil derivation.  Not only that the derivation is done in sure a way as to favour state from the Old east state.

I check the daily satellite picture of Nigeria direclty from NASA server around the world. and I am telling you, they are telling lies.

The daily satellite pictures are updated everyday, because there are times when the cloud block you from seen some places.

The PDP have been running scam on Yoruba people. And they Yoruba should not vote for this people. Only evil people do this thing to others. If you are a good person, you dont do that. And the Yorubas do not want bad people to rule them any more.[/quote]i have nothing to say to you other than you are a pillock. you are just talking without laying down good points to back up your opinion. all i keep seeing are maps that have nothing to do with elections or whatever. i must assume you are drunk. come and have a proper debate when you are through with your mental shutdown hangover.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=575284.msg7416801#msg7416801 date=1293467661]Bon Jour, Becomrich,

Serious questions for you.  I don't understand how I'm supposed to read the satellite maps - all of your maps!  Also, you talk of Jonathan "giving" money to different states.  It's not coming out of his pocket, and it's not arbitrary.  We have a legislature and finance ministry, etc., that play huge roles in divying out oil revenue.  I do agree that PDP party will not get support in SW, but Jonathan as an individual is gaining in popularity amongst some. My mom says she likes him; does that mean she'll vote for him? I didn't ask. But, if old Yoruba women think he's a nice guy, he might just make it.

Anyway, I'm not sure you're serious.  [/quote]the dude is a clown. i still don't know the relevance of those maps in the elections.

BlueDiva:
^^^^^
Typical Sauron. . .
What happened to your old id?

i am not sauron. do i have to complain to the police about this before you guys know i am different? yeeeesh!

ElRazur:
On the basis of the evidence in front of us, I am of the belief that it makes more sense to play Chammy.

i disagree. rvp has to be given a chance to complete his own 202 mins before we can ascertain if chammy has a better form or not.

[quote author=Becomrich? link=topic=575284.msg7416681#msg7416681 date=1293466307]cou-gar , we have legal document how much the Oil companies are lifting in Nigeria and where they are lifting. Jonathan government and the PDP  have not be honest with the Yoruba people.

Just like they lied about population, they lied about where Oil is been lifted.


This is what PDP means to Yorubas, a destroyed economy

many economy are now destroyed.[/quote]i really don't get your argument. if pdp wins in yorubaland, it is because some yorubas have voted for them, no? what has it gotta do with oil companies?

ElRazur:
And what is RvP stat? LWKMD

I guess not much to write home about as he clearly has been absent for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ****breathe***nnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg time.

You really are not serious.

rvp has only played 184 league mins this season(just over 2 matches). chamakh has produced 1 goal in every 202 mins. so there's no empirical evidence that chamakh has done better than robin van persie.

BlueDiva:
Nothing baffling here.
It's the most basic and simplest of idea's that skips our mind most times.

speak for yourself. i am not as simple-minded as you are.

If the megastore doesn't have what you want, how the hell will nateevs have it ?

this is because tech-fit shirts are exclusive for all adidas brands. adidas made only 2010 pieces of those shirts and nateevs being a chelsea native might have clues on how to get it. this shirt is not your average chelsea shirt. it's about 150 pounds and i know chelsea have them because ashley cole wears it for chelsea.

ElRazur:
I have redrawn my formula.   Changed the signs to +

the new formula makes more sense.

The point is he lacks match fitness and it will take a while to get to such fitness by playing games. We agree on that right?

As it stand, Chammy have more matches, form and performance than RvP hence why it will be tactically a better option to play Chammy.

what is chamakh's form? 7 goals in 1,414 league minutes is good form?

[quote author=Becomrich? link=topic=575284.msg7416642#msg7416642 date=1293465868]Compare that to Akwa Ibom state that Jonathan pays N9 billion each month as derivation. While he pays ondo state about N2 billion[/quote]becomrich?, you are a clown!!

ElRazur:
Form = Matches = Performance = Class.

I'm not mathematics professor, but I do know how to add and do simple subtraction. If RvP is lacking form, I think he cannot have the rest of the qualities above.

form is not class. a crappy player can have a purple patch but it won't last for long. a classy player can have a bad form but his class will always prevail. form and class are two different things. chamakh is not even in form and i am yet to see his class. van persie has class and he should be starting ahead of chamakh especially in games like this.

what has the map got to do with politics? are you a serious individual?

debosky:
RVP is no average player - but seeing his appearances so far, he CANNOT bench Chamakh in this type of game. He is not match fit and needs games to get into his groove.

The issue is, benching your best striker for one who has barely played since August is madness against Chelski.

this is where we differ. rvp is not benching chamakh because of current form. he's doing so because of his fear factor. trust me, chelsea defence plus petr cech will be more comfortable with chamakh than facing van persie who has demolished them before. van persie will threaten chelsea defence more without needing to play well.

ElRazur:
This is probably my last say on this one to you and the other guy. Lol.

When in form, RvP is way ahead of Chammy. However, RvP is not in his finest form right now and hence, Chammy is a much better tactical option.

form is temporary, class is permanent. van persie has done it before, i back him to do it again. chammy hasn't done anything against big sides in this league. start him in the matches against the stokes, villas and west broms of this league. chelsea will swallow chamakh!

ElRazur:
**Palm*** Face***Sigh***

First we are talking about Arsenal. I keep telling you that.

Second, see debo's answer for you.

ignore debo's answer. chamakh is his flavour of the season. by spring, he will be hyping another player. in the summer, it was alex song.

And?

RvP is not back to full fitness so why use him ahead of a man who so far scored more goals, have aerial and physical presence threat (that is needed in today's game) than RvP.

why did rooney start ahead of berbatov(who is the highest goal scorer in the league). it's because rooney has a good record against arsenal than berbatov does. van persie also has a better record against chelsea than chamakh the jjc.

Come on now, you can not dislike Chammy THAT bad, that you cannot see how flawed your logic on this one is?  

PS
May be you do dislike him that bad.

i don't dislike chammy. i want arsenal to win this game and they can only do that by starting van persie. i'd rather have arsenal breathing own man utd's neck than chelsea. in my opinion, chamakh shouldn't even travel with the squad. let him watch from the stands or in his sitting room.  
bendtner and van persie should be enough.

debosky:
The pertinent question is, if Chelski had Carrol scoring for them, would they play DD ahead of him in a crunch tie if DD had been out since August? No

with drogba's formidable record against arsenal, only a fool of a manager would leave him out. thanks for bringing this up because the last time arsenal trounced chelsea, it was van persie's individual brilliance that got the goals. he's done it before, he can do it again. what precedents has chamakh got to worry chelsea? none! nang! nothing! there's a reason fergie started js park against arsenal - it had nothing to do with park's form cos he's been average this season but record book says park has a way of scoring against wenger's men.

ElRazur:
You are not serious.

An alleged broom stick who so far don out play a sharp knife in terms of goals, match start, fitness and appearances. Mssscheeeew. I prefer to have you around when Arsenal is winning than any other time to be honest.

andy caroll has scored more goals than drogba. is he better than didier?

See this guy, so you agree he was benched based on his fitness, but you no want us to do so in real life? Given the fact that he is not fully fit when compared to Chammy? lol
You shoot yourself for leg for there I swear.

pro-evo had written their computer program long before now. they wrote it when van persie was out injured.

proudly9ja:
@ ElRazur
Honestly, if I'm to choose whether to be a ProEvo 2011 coach or be rated side by side Fergie, well, you know which Ild choose.

see wetin una dey cause. I'm actually on the same side with a ManU fan! annoying

don't mind el razur. proevo 11 chooses a default team based on who's injured or not. they have johnny evans in united's line-up ahead of ferdinand. should we then agree evans is better than rio?

debosky:
Fergie benched Berbatov due to a[b] tactical switch[/b]. . . . if Utd played the same formation as previously, Berba would've started. So don't compare apples and oranges.

by the same token, wenger should also start van persie ahead of chamakh due to a tactical switch.

Proudly has simply suggested using the same formation, changing out Chamakh and 'hoping' RVP will deliver. I have suggested doing something different.

chamakh will choke against terry. terry suffers when he's against a pacy forward. chamakh is not pacy.

Without the creative fulcrum of Cesc, it's not that surprising that the team was flat.

the general performance was rubbish. no need beating rvp or overrating cesc's absence. cesc played full 90 mins last season @ the emirates when united's midfield tonked arsenal.

RVP lacks match fitness and sharpness - that is the big difference.

and he will only gain the fitness/sharpness by playing him not by benching him. rooney lacked match fitness/sharpness when he started ahead of berbatov.

In the same sense, Rooney is useless because he skied a penalty into row 2,000 against a rookie goalkeeper. Nani is also useless for failing to score with an open goal with just the goalie to beat.

united were already leading. that can be alluded to putting their foot off the gas. rooney wouldn't have missed if united were searching for a winner or equaliser. wazza thrives on pressure likewise nani.

ritchboy:
RVP is easily the most technically gifted player to grace the EPL since his godfather(Bergkamp). . . Berbatov cant phuck with the Dutchmasters!!

which rvp? the one at arsenal or which one? berbatov is miles better than rvp with techniques.

Are you up for Nasri vs Nani?

[flash=640,385]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tx-R5jxpr4[/flash]

The bestestest goal of 2010!

nasri vs nani? nani scores loads of long rangers while nasri is pretty with the foot-work. it depends on the viewer's opinion - whether he considers long range shots as a better spectacle than maradona-esque foot work. for example, uefa considered ronaldo's goal against porto the best in europe in 08/09 but some will argue the goal(counter-attack) he scored against arsenal at the emirates was a better goal. i wouldn't go into nani vs nasri debate in that light. it will be tedious.

ElRazur:
This is Arsenal, not Man U. The thread for man U is out there some where.

We cannot afford to play a guy who is not in peak condition in a crucial match - That is, having him start the game IMO.

You don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Right now, RvP is more or less a sharp knife, I will play him once he transform into a gun that we know him to be.

if rvp is a sharp knife then chamakh is a broom-stick.

debosky:
So you'll bench your highest goal scorer striker for someone who has only scored a penalty all season?
That is plain unreasonable. . . .

fergie did so against arsenal and united won comfortably.

Rubbish - the same RVP played against Chelski last season didn't he?  Or has he suddenly gained a new ability to cause central defenders problems during his injuries?

by the same token, chamakh played at stamford bridge earlier in the season and he was invisible.

Chamakh has had a two week break so he will be fresh.

same logic applies to van persie or did van persie play last week?

This issue of 'dominating' top defenders is neither here nor there - what I do know is that he will cause enough issues to create chances for both himself and others.

he doesn't. he's mediocre. he should have scored at old trafford when van der sar spilled nasri's shot. chamakh's shot went off target(vidic's deflection or not).

dayokanu:
I am here to ask which tracks you would like me to play for Todays street jams that would start on this thread in the next 6 hrs

sauce kid - yebariba
ruggedy - a word is enough for the arse.

proudly9ja:
The game is totally 'winnable' with Chelsea's current form.

it's a london derby. i wouldn't pay attention to current form if i were you. in games like this, form flies out of the window.