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debosky:
Clichy is seen as a weak link in the defence and is continuously targeted.

he's been the weakest link all year according to zonalmarking: http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/02/02/did-manchester-united-deliberately-target-gael-clichy/

tkb417:
If Nani and Evra play on opposite sides, Evra will probably die at d end of d game cos he never stays in one place! Space or no space, Nanis pace and skillz will be too much for him

But Rafa, that boi dey try! Energy is his middle name

the thing with nani is his unpredictability. evra will probably shackle valencia cos valencia is a one-way traffic. defenders know where he wants to take the ball to, so are his team-mates. this is why rooney is more likely to score from valencia's delivery than nani. nani on the other hand is so unpredictable. his markers don't know what he wants to do and his team-mates don't know as well. he is a difficult customer to handle.

@cougar
So Nani no get footballing brain? Lol. I think he's just a bit selfish atimes when it comes to delivering the killer pass to kill off opponents! I still don't know why he didn't pass the ball to Rooney after clichys howler.

Was pissed!

nani is an enigma. just like berbatov, he polarizes opinions. you either love him or hate him(especially his theatrics). he has no football brain but it's amazing how he manages to generate stats despite his frustrating attitude. against arsenal, he was average but his tenacity got us the first goal and his relentless effort caused clichy to handle the ball that led to the penalty. had rooney scored, it would have been another nani assist. as at 2nd of november, nani has 23 assists and 10 goals in 31 games for man utd. it's an amazing stat for a player with zero football brain.

Sunderland dey come oh!

I don't wanna remember what they did to us in d first leg. That was one of our worst performances so far this season

attack sunderland with 2 strikers and they will fold before half-time.

ritchboy:
Because Fergie will never give Walcott 50 yards between the back line and the goalie. . .

so why can't arsenal copy that blueprint and stop exposing themselves to counter-attacks?

Because:

A. Arsenal always afford United more space than United do Arsenal.

B. Nani is a much better player than Walcott. . . If ordinary Albrighton dey disgrace Evra anyhow, i can only imagine what Nani would do to him.

a) why afford united the space knowing what united are capable of doing? this isn't rocket science, is it?

b) i am sure nani will be shackled against evra cos evra won't underestimate him like arsenal defenders do against nani. if i were arsenal's manager and i am playing a familiar foe like man utd, i will keep it compact. the forward line and the defence line will not be more than 40 yards away from each other. no silly high lines where the midfielders are 50 yards away from the defence line and leave a space enough to fit the titanic.

ritchboy:
Outside the league nko?

This your Nani thing is spiraling out of control. Nani had far more space to do his thing than Nasri did. I can also say no defender in the league is capable of shackling Nasri Walcott if isolated with space in-behind. . . WALCOTT!

which walcott? theo walcott? evra is his antidote. once walcott sees evra, the 110 yards of space on the pitch becomes 0.5 yard for walcott. i don't know about other defenders but walcott has never had a good game against evra in 4 seasons.

Nani is a good dribbler, no doubt. It doesnt really matter how good a defender you are, if you are left completely isolated against a very good dribbler(or a very quick player, or both) like Clichy was at times, you'll get owned. If not the first time, then the second, if not the third, then the fourth.

how come clichy can't shackle nani but evra can shackle walcott? it's not only about isolation. a defender must know how to defend. when to stay tight or when to go head on with a winger. rio ferdinand has not committed a foul in the league since april. that is because he's an excellent defender. a good defender must not make more than two tackles per game cos his positioning should be on point to avoid last ditch tackles.

tkb417:
Nani is good one on one but I think Rafa can hold him if its a big game

Rafael knows how to rise up to huge games but can be useless against unsung heroes!

There are times Nani can be useless too. I can also add that Nani is just living up to his worth after a few years in d doldrums

nani can be useless but he never fails to deliver one moment of genius per game. just look at his stats despite his many mistakes and rubbish football brain. if nani sorts his football brain(knowing when to pass and when to deliver a quick cross), he will be better than ronaldo. nani's stats is ridiculous.

ritchboy:
Starboard has some serious daddy-issues. . .

Is this the part where i'm supposed to say "is it the same Nani player x put in his pocket"?

there's no defender in the premier league capable of shackling nani. simply put, nani has disgraced all the full-backs he's played against!

tkb417:
Rafa can keep anybody in his pocket

Ask Ribery

rafael won't keep nani quiet.

kay_pumpin:
You don't have to buy it,it is as clear as daylight.Who helps Sagna?Of course Nasri tracks back and it is obvious.I am not in anyway alluding to Clichy's impeccability,but Arshavin is useless in tracking back,never mind his inconsistent attacking stint.

this is also a good point. there also appears to have been a correlation in clichy’s loss of form and the arrival of arshavin as a regular in the arsenal team. any isolated full-back is going to have difficulties and it should be pointed out that the defensive protection offered by arshavin down the left is pretty much non-existent. it is also probable that clichy's two back injuries have had a more lasting impact that is commonly appreciated. given that these injuries were stress fractures and so developed gradually, it is probable that he has played through some considerable pain.

tkb417:
@Cougar
Nasri shytes on those people even in their positions

Who is tiote?

nasri shytes on tim cahill?  nasri shytes on cheikh tiote? this nasri hype has gotten ridiculous. are we talking about the same samir that rafael da silva kept quiet for 90 mins? i am now sure nasri shytes on messi.

balotelli is an arrogant prick. pretending he doesn't know who wilshere is.

tkb417:
So Nasri plays in Central midfield for me too.
Hehe

ahead of which players? cahill? nolan? modric or tiote(the destroyer)?

debosky:
If we had an LB who was at least good attack-wise, I'd take him over Clichy in a heartbeat. At least we'll excuse the poor defensive form because of his attacking ability.

truth be told, clichy has been very poor. what has happened to clichy is the question on the mouths of most arsenal fans i talk to. his best season was 2007/8(after ashley cole departed) and i thought he's destined for greatness. that season, clichy produced 6 goal assists. the statistics seem to support the perception that clichy has gone backwards. in 2008-9, clichy made no assists all season. in 2009/10, there was one and so far this season there has been just one.

in that same period, evra has created 11 goals for man utd and ashley cole nine for chelsea. yet it is not just in his attacking play that clichy seems to have regressed. he has been a regular in a defence that has consistently been more fragile than arsenal have ever been under wenger – and he has become one of arsenal’s more error-prone players.

tkb417:
@Cougar
Can u remember d PFA team of last season?

Can you remember the names of d those in d midfield? Valencia, Giggs, Cesc and who else?

there was no giggs there. they were valencia(rm) cesc(cm) fletcher(cm) milner(lm)
the penultimate season had ronaldo(rm) gerrard(cm) giggs(cm) ashley young(lm). . . . .giggs played in the central midfield that season.

tkb417:
@Cougar
I'm sayin d midfielders? Do they have to choose according to roles? As a matter of fact, I can choose 4 wingers in d midfield and I know UEFA can do that too

the pfa won't put four wingers in the midfield. remember we are talking about the pfa team not uefa/fifa team.

kay_pumpin:
ok!

good man! "eq". . . .what has emotional intelligence gotta do with a pub forum? i detach myself emotionally when i come here. no need for deploying some eq to faceless, heartless beings. emotions are for the romantics which i ain't. i think i am alright with with the iq.

kay_pumpin:
Unapologetically!All i am saying is,each thread has it's own share of ridiculous and jaundiced posts.

arsenal fans are the worst. go back and read the comments prior 13th of december - nasri metamorphosed from a tin god to the best player in the world. after the match, gaynners legged it and most of them didn't comment on these pages for several days.

Miss-cued!You think yapping inanities on the net makes you more of a man?Off the net,most of "quiet ones"'s got balls larger than the titanic and prefer the real battle.

Anyway,make una continue with una banter.It makes for a good laugh sometimes.

if you think i don't have the gall to put my words in action then you thought wrong. where i come from, i call it as i see it. it's not about trying to be a roy keane or sammer.

dipo2much:
The cowards are those who use the anonymity provided on a forum like this to insult people endessly. Ppl like Starboard,that is. All that is front of them is a keyboard and pc so they just sit and curse ppl when they bear their minds. A forum contains people you are smarter than and people who are well advancd than you are IQ-wise. So you should be able to read someone's comment and just move on. Not bit.chin cos u think u've finally found somethin to girl over

i ain't trying to brag here but if you argue with me like you always do here in public, i will call you a fool. anonymity my ass. what effort does it take to call a foolish person a fool to his face? what are you going to do? sock my temple?

kay_pumpin:
In my tribe?

arsenal fc is your tribe, isn't it?

The fact anyone here is trying to tag "lameness" as an exclusive right of a particular set of fans is in itself lame.That said,there are a million and one ways corrections can be made without insults that makes the giver cuts across as an embittered personae.I am sure if that is how much most of these e-hardmen give it on the street,most of them wouldn't be here typing with their fingers intact.

you miss the point. the fact that the quiet ones don't diss doesn't mean they are not saying "Bleep cougar" under their breaths to themselves - but never in cougar's face. at the end of the day, that they just don't have the balls to say it doesn't mean they are innocent.

kay_pumpin:
On the real though,how do guys feel when they launch all these e-insults and vitriols at some random dude you MAY never see till you leave mother earth.

It's insanely laughable.

the e-insults result from provocations and stuffs. no one really sets out to insult the other members but you have to admit some lame comments especially from the lads in your tribe are sometimes embarrassing. some of you are cowards in the sense that you don't have the balls to say these things apart from murmuring it under your breath while some have the balls to say it like it is.

dipo2much:
Your argument is lame. If Chelsea have become a 'big club' or games involving chelsea with any of the top teams regarded as 'big game',then same applies to city. City have followed the footsteps of Chelsea buying the 'best available' players. If Chelsea became a 'big club' by doing that,then city are big too.
How the fck do you play against tevez,yaya toure,David Silva,Kolo toure,ballotelli and the likes,challenging for the title, and not say its a big game. They didnt finish top four cos the top four played 'big' . Totts are a very good team and city have nothing to be ashamed of finishing just behind them. Their run in the ECL is enough evidence for you

no it doesn't. chelsea became a big club by winning two league titles on the bounce under jose mourinho. man city are yet to achieve staying in the top four let alone winning the league. you cannot compare chelsea to man city at any level.

dipo2much:
You are the only one who thinks so.  Bale/Nasri Haba,Sharon. What else could Nasri have done to earn your nod? Nothing. Purely prejudicial

nasri has disappeared in all the big games he's featured this season. where was nasri against chelsea? where was he against man utd? those are the big games.

tkb417:
@Cougar
Why would you use formation to pick your players?

Is dt how FIFA and UEFA do it?

I don't think so.

of course, that's how they do it. otherwise, fifa/uefa will name 8 strikers, 2 defenders and a goalkeeper in the last tournament. to arsenal fans, nasri is god but to united fans, he's nowhere! 1 assist in 14 league games? some gaynners do have them.

ritchboy:
Nasri has only taken one penalty in the league. Aren't you the one who always says "which is easier to score, a penalty or a tap-in"?

Like i said before, Nani has also been brilliant and i'm not going to debate that. But Bale ahead of Nasri is scandalous. . .

my formation had a role to play in choosing bale ahead of nasri. nasri isn't a touchline hugging wide player. he likes to tuck/cut in. if i were playing 4-2-3-1(arsenal's formation) then nasri will be ahead of bale. but in a 4-4-1-1 formation, nasri won't fit into the format just like bale won't fit into arsenal's 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formation.

Ibime:
@ Dr,

I don't know who is arguing with that buffoon Sauron.

A word is enough for the wise but the dude keeps harping on. From arguing that Kanu was not old to arguing that Kanu could have been a late bloomer if Wenger gave him the chance. Demented arguments.

stop exhibiting your foolish genes on a public forum. kanu wasn't 30 in 1999. prove he was or shut up. besides that, i have also shown a player can bloom late. development does not really stop for any player. antonio di natale and luca toni are living examples of players who didn't turn it on until they were 25 yrs plus. fat ibime, you are a fool. your fatty acids must be distorting your logic process.

ritchboy:
Nasri has what, 8 goals in the league alone?

with at least 2 of those goals being penalty-kicks. 1 assist in 14 league appearances is also very poor. abeg, this shouldn't even be debated. nani is the most productive player in the whole league. he contributes at least a goal in every league game.

I can only imagine what Nasri would've done to Clichy if he were a United player. . .

Anyway i'm not going to debate Nani vs Nasri. But Gareth Bale? GTFOH!

nasri did nothing to rafael. what could he have done to clichy?

ritchboy:
And yet if the league were to end today, Nasri would win player of the year easily!

nani will win the player of the year easily. 5 goals + 11 assists in 15 league appearances surpasses whatever nasri brings to the table. besides that. when the two players clashed head to head. nani disgraced clichy but a 20-yr old brazilian kept nasri in his underpants for 90 mins.

dipo2much:
^^
Gawd!! See Beef. You wont put Nasri on that team? Stop being a girl,sharon.

stop being a lunkhead. nani and bale have been better than nasri this first half of the season.

Ibime:
Can you develop at age 30?

if kanu was 30 in 1999, then he is 41 now? ibime, you will always be a fool.

tkb417:
@Cougar
I can't see Ando in your list! Is he not fit? He shd be there cos Scholes is out

I agree with you, 2 strikers against Sunderland will be ideal for us: but even without Welbeck, they have Bent and Gyan.

You know what Vidic and Rio are the best in the bizniz so I'm not scared of even a Messi/Torres combo

If we can keep possession and attack dem, we'll kill dem

any two of carrick + ando + fletcher should be good enough for sunderland.
meanwhile, what's your mid-term report on the league. can you name your team of the season's first half?

mine will be. . . .

cech

rafael rio vidic baines

nani tiote modric  bale

van der vaart
                  andy caroll

hannie:
Wenger used Sagna to stunt Eboue's development after he utilized Eboue's attacking instincts as selling point coupled with age to offload Lauren . . .tell me something new!

Why hasnt he gone for someone to liquidate Clichy since Gibbs cant stay fit to save his life ? why do we forever keep factoring in Song as an alternate CB ?

he did exactly the same thing when he used henry to stunt kanu's development. for all those who think wenger loves african players, he does not. . .he uses them as lab rats to develop players for his national team.

debosky:
Heck since we're comparing CR7, we might as well go and look at embryos conceived in CR7's home town in Portugal and say they have a potential transfer fee of £80m.

like bebe?

StarBoard:
@cougar,
Shocking analysis,but it's duduspace,so nothing is new.

even his comrades know he's deluded. what more can we say?

tkb417:
Rio is really fuming on twitter on the postponed match between us and Chelsea

Is it true Anderson/Vidic woulda missed d match? Hahaha. Na wahala be dt oh.

I just hope we can win that match anytime its played cos its really gonna make us widen the gap between and those pretenders!

We are playing Blackpool in January! Good

Sunderland are here again!!!! I'm scared mehn cos we need 3 points this weekend cos Arsenal and Chelsea might end draw! We must give our best and beat Sunderland. Ill take a one goal victory

rio has a right to fume cos chelsea got out of jail with that postponement. against sunderland, we must start two strikers. sunderland won't have welbeck so they will be limited going forward. berba and rooney must start. carrick/fletcher. . . . .nani and js park on the wing and the famous four at the back. 4-4-2 is the way to go. we will beat sunderland 2-0. we are not chelsea!

duduspace:
fair enough eldee, but would you really say Rooney doesn't have that potential if for example Man City wanted him and Manure played hardball to get as much money from them as they could? I'm sure even Fergie when he bought CR7 never thought of an 80m transfer fee but he knew he was buying quality paying 18m for an 18 year old.
What potential transfer value exactly would yu place on Messi despite the fact that he hasnt even commanded a transfer fee of any sort and might never if he remains with Barca (80m? >80m? 200m?).

When I made the statement, the farthest thing from my mind was an 80m transfer I was only drawing parallels between buying an 18 year old prodigy and then selling him on for a whole lot more when near his peak in his mid 20s, I am as amazed as you are that Debo equated it to saying he would be sold on for the same amount CR7 was sold for. With what I see of Hazard though, he is one who could be easily worth between 40m - 80m within the next 6 years if he continues to progress as he has. Keep in mind though, the fact that potential is often not actualized.

another disgraceful comment from mumuface's stable. ronaldo was bought for 12m not 18m. the same 12m wenger paid to buy walcott. why isn't walcott a world class player after almost 5 years with arsenal? eden hazard has got potential just like welbeck, carlos vela, djalo and kakuta. it's potential which still needs to be developed by a good handler and state-of-the-art training facility. ronaldo's sale is a one-off. madrid's obsession made his transfer fee to skyrocket and florentino perez already promised madrid faithfuls he would get cristiano ronaldo at any cost. it does not mean eden hazard or kakuta will command the same transfer fee. matter of fact, they can never be rated that high. ozil(a more well rounded player) isn't even up to 20m.

and mumuface is a recidivist. he is hopelessly deluded. even the most passionate gaynners on this thread are beginning to see the flaws within the team but honourable mumuface will still be here beating his chest that they are ready to challenge for the league. i tire for mumuface. just watch out for him when they face chelsea/united at the emirates. . . . .he will still tell us arsenal are ready and will beat the big two.