₦airaland Forum

http://www.ynaija.com/we-are-not-negotiating-with-boko-haram-jonathan-backtracks/

Jonathan Backtracks on BH negotiations. He is in a state of frenzy and confusion. Virtigo in Abuja!

Are these the words of a winning president?

Msauza: I guess Nigerias time bomb has already exploded at the hands of Boks & Boks, the real Jihadists!!

And they had all the time in the world to stop it before it exploded.

But they failed to.

"China gave Nigeria a $1.1 billion low-interest loan, it was announced this week, and in return China can expect more Nigerian oil, going up from 20,000 barrels per day to 200,000 by 2015, Agence-France Presse reports."


Read further about how a country was sold for a pittance.

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-looking-nigeria-crude-oil-has-been-trying-win-favor-nation-investing-west-african-country


This country wants to show Africa how to go back to slavery. But it's in the nature of the West African to act in this way.

They are, after all, the same people that sold their brothers and sisters into slavery...for a pittance.

NaijaPikinGidi: Tell that to yourself ... You must be looking for a shoulder to cry on right now! Not mine please!!!

Cry about what exactly?

Are you sure you're talking to the right person, this Sunday afternoon?

NaijaPikinGidi: Make a clear statement you CrayFish!

It's clear. Don't feign confusion.

I'm impressed! You're probably the only Naai-gerian that knows not to say: "Make clear statement".

South Africa's taught you well.

South Africa's tattooed on your heart!

agaugust: that is south africa's domestic time bomb waiting to explode. will be worse than Rhino poachers

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Oh really?

A time bomb that will explode when?

Like never?

A handful of people are a timebomb? South Africa has competently dealt with threats in the past. Unlike the Naai-gerian incompetent lot who allowed boko to become a problem.

Fail!

NaijaPikinGidi: Desperado! Just go jump off a cliff. End your misery fast!

Consumed by South Africa is you. Completely and totally. That much is obvious. So, why of the two arguments will you choose?

Interesting to note you've sidestepped the issue.

Chinese companies are already building roads across Nigeria in contracts worth $1.7bn

Almost exactly the amount that was "loaned" to Naai-geria SMH.

They have been hired with their money, which will still be paid back. Classic move by the smart, double-dipping Chinese. As expected, silly move by the "mugus" of loogoz.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23269004

NaijaPikinGidi: They'll argue on even the commas in your comment, when nothing else can be comprehended! walahi!

He hasn't ranked it. He's just given us a loong list of patriotic statements.

We will wake up tomorrow and the rankings will still be where they are.

So we will leave him and his commas.

NaijaPikinGidi: Desperation setting in CrayFish style!

That's why you've become a one-liner? It's indisputable, what I've posted.



You're on the underside of a debate at again.

You can't do anything about South Africans' superior arguments Naai-japigoon.

We have better universities. Simple as that.

NaijaPikinGidi: Not even at gunpoint will I be forced to admit to your wishes especially when I am in my own space elsewhere on planet earth! It hurts you so much that I have your history, present and future all figured out ... all thanks to doing what I do and continue to do! Sensitive ... must be your acknowledgement of the depth of my knowledge and access to state and public info which scares and bewilders your sensitivity! I can do same with most other African countries!

I am loved beyond measure in my Nigeria and am welcome like royalty by your hostesses, politicians and people who work for my assigned objectives in your backyard! Until you describe the current state of the South African hearts you are your own greatest nemesis!

Only if you could read your comments above! Childish rambling!!

Oh then it's even worse!

South Africa has you consumed when you (as you'd have us believe ) don't even live in it?

It's better for you if you just admit the truth. This argument that you want to now put forward will work against you.

It's obvious that Naai-jeria's just been bought for a pittance.

Says "Ginger" to Naai-jeria:


GINGER

So that is what a country is worth these days....sorry to say but you might have just sold your country to China



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-http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-1-billion-infrastructure-loan-china-180321812.html-------------------------


Nigeria: $1 billion infrastructure loan from China
Associated Press Jul 8, 2013
ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) — Nigeria's finance minister says President Goodluck Jonathan's visit to China will finalize $1.1 billion in low-interest loans for much-needed infrastructure in Africa's giant, from airports and roads to a hydropower plant.

Minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala told The Associated Press she is also looking for Chinese investment and increased trade with Nigeria.

She also said "China is desirous of increasing its lifting of Nigerian oil." The petroleum minister is among senior Cabinet members on the trip along with several state governors. She said as U.S. demand for Nigerian oil has fallen, India and China have taken up the slack.

Okonjo-Iweala said the loans are part of $3 billion approved by China at interest rates less than 3 percent.

She leaves with Jonathan Monday night for the four-day visit starting Tuesday.

Msauza: In Nigeria surely Kapsch Group could have made a killing. Instead he could have brought along his Austrian partners and bank all 100% stake. Before long the whole of Nigeria will be foreign owned and that is just starting already. Watch this space!!!

Like it will happen with China in a jiffy!

NaijaPikinGidi: Another business man will soon be selling SANDF to SELEKA. More desperate excuses indeed? Like I mentioned not too long ago, you all have failed to rebut my factual reply to Mike..ZA, and as such anything more you say with regard to Kapsch's 65% toll cash earnings is a noisy waste of time! Deal with it and move. My summary still stands!

An excuse to what assertion exactly? There's no summary. You've put forward unconnected arguments from infrastructure ownership to god knows what else.

Shooting in the dark a la crocodile Dundee.

The initial argument was that "south Africans build nothing" and that our roads are owned by foreigners.

How have you proven that? By producing a services agreement? Is that how your mind works?

You're shifting more than the sands in the Namib desert. The strategy is to make noise and hope that something sticks. Well, nothing has stuck.

We all know that when you Naai-gerians talk about Seleka, that's when you've lost.

Your factual issue about the contract? Why does that need to be rebutted? And why exactly is it a noise-making issue? It's a services agreement.

I don't follow? I doubt that you do either, by the way!

NaijaPikinGidi: You'd like me to be in SA? Keep wishing! Keep hoping! Keep guessing! You are doing just what we are trained to make you do!

Why would you admit it? I wouldn't admit it, either. But it's pretty obvious you're enjoying the sun of SA, away from the stress of Biafra, where you come from.

That's why you're sensitive about everything South African.

You're wishing to be loved and accepted and you want to make sure that you're safe in South Africa.

Your mission here is to try and change South African hearts so they love you.

It's sad really.

NaijaPikinGidi: The CrayFish is awake? And alive too Give Nigeria a reason anytime soon ... and we will show you what we mean! Pronto!!

Like what reason? You have enough reason already. You have people doing as they please in your economy. That's reason enough, I think.

In fact, you should be thankful to South Africa for showing the world that your frontier market could be engaged.

We believed in exploiting you when no one else did. Well, other than the oil people. You should be grateful that we've allowed you an opportunity to enslave yourselves to the world and to be recolonised.

NaijaPikinGidi: CrayFish on a mad, aimless and cowardly rampage!





Emptiness of the highest order and more delusions just to satisfy your need to ventilate from your smelly behind! You and your MsauZA, and Mike..ZA ( -- brothers in stupidity), will continue to beat about the bush rather than address the simple points of fact that I have made! But how about one more chance to rebut my original response to Mike..ZA? I am reposting again below:





Respond if you truly can!

Truly to what, exactly? To the initial belief that Kapsch invested in the hounding of our roads? Which belief I see has fallen by the wayside?

Or to the belief that Kapsch have South Africa a loan? Which belief I also see hasn't been advanced further that all of one page?

What have you proven exactly? I don't see anything that's worth making noise about, by you?

A businessman sold his stake to Kapsch after he'd been awarded a contract.

How does that then mean that " South Africans build nothing". I don't follow...? Er, how about the actual roads that the toll gantries are on?

So, where exactly is the issue here?

NaijaPikinGidi: Only if you could read the JOKE that you consistently make out of yourself. Until you "dazzle" above your 33% capacity you are actually brilliantly stupid! Thanks to my professional background you'll always be confounded by my currency, ways and means with regard to information I share about your South Africa. Yet, I seriously have not shared anything unusual or out of the ordinary to give you the threatening feeling that I live in your South Africa. KAPSCH ... kapish!!

If it's not Mr Seleka claiming he lives in the US, it's NaijaPigoon/All4Naija claiming he doesn't live in SA!

Funniest thing!

Your professional background? Where? In Hillbrow, selling computer or phone spares?

Sure, dude.

NaijaPikinGidi: You dare, we act in full measure! Spineless South Africans ... evidenced in all your national endeavours! Full of bark and no bite! You must humble yourselves to let your Nigerian teachers teach you the politics of diplomacy and military engagement!

How could you possibly be dared?

Of course you'll make the above statement because there's nothing else to say?

Your economy is already infiltrated - with complete submission from you lot.

Now, you want to talk about possibly...perhaps possibly closing the door after the horse has bolted.

Funny.

NaijaPikinGidi: Cause a provocation and see how Nigeria will swiftly get the party rocking! . We showed SA a snippet during your overzealous Yellow fever card provocation and you came apologizing on national and international television just as Zuma sent through to President Jonathan emissaries with a formal letter of apology and a promise to be of good behavior!

The argument was that you could do it at any time.

Now you're waiting for a provocation? Shifting the goal posts now?

What sort of provocation could cause you to nationalise companies?

No such provocation would need to happen anyway, seeing as your economy is already owned. What more could your owners possibly wish for now?

NaijaPikinGidi: The pain must be getting to hard for your brittle bones to bear! Enjoy your time!

The pain? Oh is that so? The pain that has caused you to become a one-liner?

This being something that invariably happens when you feel you wish to respond but find that you actually have nothing to say?

Sure dude.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm off to bed. I don't wish for you to be the last thing I see before I sleep. That will undoubtedly cause me pain.

NaijaPikinGidi: Shut your filthy vocal cavity! I am here hoping that you can dispute all my factual comments and all you can do is come up with baseless assertions of your own imagination. You have unwittingly agreed to the FACT that South Africa is surviving basically on Foreign Investment! The world owns South Africa You are a laughable lot! You point at Nigerian/Chinese bilateral pacts yet refuse to see how much better and more cost effective they compared to South Africa's wasteful and expensive investment deals with your foreign masters! When you get caught with your filthy hands in the cookie jar you begin to digress towards irrelevant tales. I know more than your head can ever know about how South Africa is run! Calculate 65% of US$500 million per annum and it tells you that we are more fiscally prudent in our choices and decisions on issues of national interest! Where in the world has anyone ever acquired a heavy long term loan at 3% interest rate? Nigeria just did that with China. Sadly your South Africa is heavily indebted with huge accumulated interests over and above the principal capital. Kapsch will keep squeezing on SA's balls.

The desperation of a Naai-gerian arguing for the sake of arguing.

Fiscally prudent? Where? At the point where you have to be given money by the Chinese? That's prudent alright.

Where has anyone acquired a longterm loan at 3%?

Nowhere! Which should tell you that this is not a loan. It's shackles in the form of cash. This is exactly how africa was colonised in the first place - with cheap gifts. You're taking the continent back!

In return, you'll hand over your resources and business to china.

What? You think the Chinese love you so badly that they can't help but gift you free money? Funny.

Now, let's see:

1. What exactly has Kapsch invested? They have a contract to render us a service.

2. So? In your mind, they actually provided a loan to SA? Really? When did this happen? When did they provide a loan to SA and how much was it?

3. What exactly do they own, other than a contract?

Do you even know who borrowed what from whom?

Once you've worked this out, then please explain to us what on earth is wrong with a loan that we are good for?

We won't exactly be giving our resources to our funders like Naai-geria will be to China.

Not that you even have the slightest inclination of the funding scheme.

We'll simply pay back the money like every other country borrows and services loans. South Africa pays its way. Naai-geria does not.

I don't see any ownership story here.

Msauza: South African companies are strategically trying to steal Alhaji Dangote's wealth by buying majority controlling shares in his businesses. Recently, South African companies have been flogging in Nigeria with the aim of having their hands on the businesses owned by the richest man in Africa. The magnate had on the past few months concluded a deal of selling his controlling majority shares of his flour company to Tiger Brand, South African owned company. He also further sold part of his shares of Dangote cement to PIC which are now looking to buy more of the stake. More of the PIC story can be read below:

http://leadership.ng/news/160613/south-africa-s-pic-invest-more-dangote-companies

Don't forget to point out to to the loudmouths sonder substance that the PIC is wholly owned by South African government and therefore, that's the people of South Africa owning those companies and attending shareholders meetings.

Msauza: Is funny how limited 33% South Africas brain capacity can beat and wallop fake 100% Nigerias brain power at their own tuff (Nairaland). South Africans wherever they go they conquer, No wonder some have even adopted rats tendencies of only sneaking out in the still of the night to make noise. They have resorted to this low profile behaviour for fear of being challenged intellectually.

Yup. It's because of the kind of people they are. All talk and noise, with no substance.

Most of their comments are now like what is quoted below.

Quite revealing and painfully embarrassing for them.

sambos994: You mean like in CAR?

2smooth2shout: the guy's a complete nutcase

Then I shudder to think how one might describe you.

NaijaPikinGidi: If we did it for your Aparthied sake to the British ... we have the power to do it to your spineless setups in Nigeria! Nigeria is not Zimbabwe! Again, just like SA laws that require majority local shareholding ... our laws are supreme and will have to be respected!

Fact is, you will never do it.

So, the above is just empty talk.

NaijaPikinGidi: I'm a Blockhead as usual!

Seeing as you've just dazzled us with your brilliance.

Amazing how you become a one-liner whenever your weak arguments get showed up.

You may live in South Africa, but you remain Naai-gerian.

Your thinking has improved, only marginally.

NaijaPikinGidi: Empty statements*

You have simply commented without backing up any of your statements.

Clearly, you prefer being a time waster.

NaijaPikinGidi: Can you quote where I stated that revenue had been earned? Due to ongoing litigations there is no revenue yet ... but the revenue is surely going to flow! Idiot who fails to read and comprehend! Until your COSATU and OUTA and civil society can win against SANRAL in court, the gantries have been built with borrowed money and SA is contractually obliged to pay up! Minimum ZAR2.7billion per annum! Stop fooling around senselessly.

Where did I say you said that?

I am simply telling you that your whole thinking is flawed.

And your understanding of the basic concepts rests on your ability to comprehend what it is that Kapsch invested in.

They have a contract. They did not invest in South African infrastructure.

The bone of contention is whether foreigners own our roads.

You have demonstrated that you know nothing about the Kapsch situation.

The IdI0T is you, clearly, non?

NaijaPikinGidi: Nigeria will continue to aim for more heavy investment deals with countries and institutions that have the interest of mutual benefits at heart. Nigerian/Chinese companies will continue to provide joint technical and management manpower for Nigeria's infrastructure development projects at the best costs and quality! Period!

Yes, of course. Using loans given to you by the Chinese.

Makes perfect sense.

1. Have them give you a loan.

2. Hire them using their loan.

3. Give them business using their loan.

4. Pay their loan back, with interest.

Mutual benefit,alright.

NaijaPikinGidi: You failed to counter my CORRECT statement of Kapsch Group's 65% stake in SANRAL's US$500million per annum toll revenue from gantries setup through foreign investments in SA's road infrastructure development.

This statement shows that you have no clue what you are talking about.

This is what happened...

Businessperson Moss Mashishi: The electronic tolling system component of the bid was awarded to Austrian company Kapsch TrafficCom and a black economic empowerment component owned by Matemeku TMT.

Approached for comment, Mashishi said his company was awarded the tender after he delivered the best bid to Sanral. Matemeku TMT later sold its stake to Kapsch TrafficCom. Now Kapsch TrafficCom owns the majority of the shares (65%) and TMT 35 %.

“The reason we sold our 51% stake to Kapsch TrafficCom was because the GFIP required huge capital guarantees in the region of R2-billion,” Mashishi said. “There were no financial institutions in South Africa prepared to give such guarantees. That was when we looked at Kapsch TrafficCom to provide those guarantees and we then sold our TMT (Pty) Ltd stake to them.”

This is also what heppened:

Kapsch: Vienna, July 26, 2013 – The recent developments regarding the share price of Kapsch TrafficCom are „incomprehensible“ explains Georg Kapsch, CEO Kapsch TrafficCom. The Vienna stock market reacted poorly to the disclosure that the commercial start of the Electronic Toll Collection System in Gauteng, a South African province, will not be effected mid July as previously considered. Kapsch was awarded the contract to implement the toll system in September 2009. The installation of the system was carried out quickly and efficiently however, various intended start-dates over the last few months have been postponed due to a variety of protests, interventions and objections. „The situation regarding the project has not changed over the last month, therefore there is no rationale for the sudden market reaction“, stresses Kapsch. „Our system is ready to go and we are calmly waiting for a definite date to start with the commercial operation.“

This is rubbish:

"Kapsch Group's 65% stake in SANRAL's US$500million per annum toll revenue from gantries setup through foreign investments in SA's road infrastructure development. "

1. There's no revenue yet.

2. Kapsch have a contract to collect tolls and manage the system.

3. The gantries did not contribute towards "SA's road infrastructure development".

4. The gantries are only a toll collection tool, which hasn't even started working yet.

5. The quoted text above tells the rest of the story.

6. When the contract has run its course (assuming it all goes ahead), what will Kapssch own again?

You're desperate.

You're better off going on your imaginary connecting flight, at the airport where there are no charging stations.

2smooth2shout: old story

we can decide to nationalize them, kick you out and Nigerians will still have their jobs. you'll lose

You can, but you won't. You can't afford to.

You want FDI.

You're stuck with your new colonialists: South Africa and China.

And you stup1dly believe that you're big boys. Political influence - for what, exactly? The ultimate objective has been achieved.

And Naai-geria is a willing victim. Like lambs to the slaughter.

Everyone makes money out out of Naai-geria.