hopefulLandlord:


Here are the explanations

1. Stars are actually smaller, science has the sizes wrong

2. Those verses are parables and the stars actually represent .............. (insert anything from perfume to chainsaws, anything goes while dragging several other unconnected BuyBull verses as proof) and the earth represents ............. (anything goes here too)

3. Those things have happened in the past and not the future

4. You're fighting my imaginary friend

6. Talk to the Hole-ly Spirit to help you understand

7. It will happen whether you like it or not, repent before it does so you can have mansions in heaven (what would one need mansion for in a safe environment and no risk at all is beyond me)

How are stars smaller? I hope you know that the sun is a star?

Nosu:
@ cute9gerian ,so in your own opinion, how was the heaven and earth created?

Read the big bang, read evolution, read other views and other religions if you wish to,read scientific research , don't base your whole life on a single book, life is too complex for that.

Xiadnat:
Denominations are borne out of peripheral issues. The central message of the scripture remains a dogma that is fairly shared amongst various denominations- the deity of Christ, SIN/Salvation.

If you read the bible in social/historical context and in its original language of Hebrew/Greek and Aramaic and in its entirely, you will find so called inconsistencies/contradictions dissolve.

I have a feeling that you are a kid mindlessly sifting through articles written by other people in an attempt to convince yourself that God/Bible isn't true. Might I suggest that you seek God yourself and come to your own conclusions sans other noises.

Good luck.

No contradictions in the Bible?
How many women visited Jesus tomb?
Matthew says that two people named Mary were there: Mary Magdalene and “the other Mary.”

Mark lists Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James (Joses), and Salome.

Luke Lists “the women who had come with him,” including Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and “other women with them.”

John mentions only Mary Magdalene.

So the resolution is quite simple.

I won't result to insult you to prove my point cause that's what kids do and you are clearly a kid.. Die first? let me guess,you are waiting for heaven You need to grow away from this fairytale..

Xiadnat:
Child,

Okay. Whatever you say. Just know though, your opinion is highly IRRELEVANT at the end of the day (or at the end of your life....).

Go ahead, do your thing. If you don't die first, you will get another chance to get it right. The day is coming.....

But, for now, whatever floats your little insignificant life boat.....

Bye.

That is in five billion years from now but before then there would be much better civilizations and advancement as clearly depicted in the picture unlike the Christians that believe the world is getting worse everyday and everything is a sign of end time to them and that end time is coming soon, so no, the Christians are wrong

shadeyinka:




Now, even if God doesn't exist as you speculate, the laws of Physics still validated the Christians point of view.
The sun will certainly die one day
The velocity of the earth will reduce
The whole solar system will collapse into the sun

So, you are wrong, the christians are right!

Xiadnat:
You are trying to convince yourself that the Bible has little to no truth and is flawed etc etc....

If you are sure about your opinions, then cease striving to prove yourself. The fact that you are trying so hard to prove the bible otherwise, means that you are struggling with (veracity of) your opinions.

[/b]It's like me arguing with my 3 years old tyring to convince him/her that santa clause and easter bunny and tooth fairy does not exist and Dr. Seuss's and all fairly tale children's books are flawed, has no truth and written by men.

[b]Better yet, do you see the problem in trying to convince or argue with a grown adult man or woman that Father Christmas and all other fairy tales don't exist. Do you see the foolishness and absurdity of it all?

That's what your threads are like--- trying to convince grown adults that Easter Bunny book aren't real. It's silly when you look at it that way isn't it? You look silly.


Just stop already, yes? Get on with life already since you are convinced of your convictions.

I'm not trying to convince myself that the Bible is flawed, it's too glaring already and I'm only trying to let people like you figure this out, it is your likes that go about preaching end time on the streets,going on mindless crusades when you should be doing something productive with your time.

It's a good thing you are getting my point already, Jesus is just like adults Santa Claus just some people are smart enough to grow away from it where as some dwell and base their entire existence on it and mind you I'm only seeking to enlighten those that wish to be enlightened,if you are troubled by my post from which I can see clearly,you can simply pass by rather than show your insecurities in your utterance relying solely on tantrums to make irrelevant points.

Nothing you've stated here is productive and in no way relating to the topic so you should sincerely get a life

EazyMoh:
Chai! Na Sambisa forest they use represent us. It's better they skipped us altogether.

Nsibidi is also a Nigerian culture

Chris breezy on black panther

Leave him alone to express his culture Just watch as people will follow suite

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Don't be a nuisance,acting like you know what originality means or implies. Going by your deductions, you should follow through by not speaking English or using a phone so that you can be free. Be wise

It's obvious you have nothing productive to say thereby relying on your last line of hope which is throwing tantrums. Grow up okay, only you can free yourself.

damosky12:


Its unfortunate that the atheism of too many of you is built on lack of precise knowledge. What Genesis 1 primarily dealt with and described is the creation of the earth. Not universe. Genesis 1:1-2
[1]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep...
Yeah, because at that period the men who wrote the Bible saw the world from only their perspective and thought earth was the center of the universe and no knowledge of other planets

Talking about light years, see
Genesis 1:3-5
[3]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[4]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Common sense reveals that days had not started UNTIL light arrived earth. Whether or not it is billions of years doesn't count here, since there were no such thing as days, years, centuries until verse 5, when day was first invented. So, between Genesis 2-4 could have been trillion of years. … when the first set of light arrived earth.

Separation of day from night as shown in verse 4 CLEARLY connotes the structuring of day and night. Only fools will allow themselves to be confused by this lucid expression.

You must know that the Bible is designed to be studied and not read like a mere contemporary literature.

The reason it's put that way is because the men who wrote the Bible didn't know that the sun was our only source of light, they taught day was different from the sun,thereby shifting the sun creation till the forth day



Understandably, this may be too difficult for your brain.
Revelation 21:23
[23]And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
The sun is just a mere physical creation that reveals the light of God. That source of the stars, the life of the plants is this light. As shown by the bolded, light Himself is the lamb, Jesus. He is the source of the sun. He is the light that existed before the sun was made.
yahweh is now a sun, oh my geez

Elsewhere,
John 1:4-5
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 8:12
[12]Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

No doubt, He is the electromagnetic radiation that you are looking for. But, you may find this hard to grasp because your brain is only confined to time, space and matter.
And your brain is confined to fairy tales written by primitive men roughly 1700 years ago



. Funny how atheists pick on the most inconsequential of the limitation of their understanding to pose a foundation for their deluded comfort zone.

The word Rest as used in Genesis 1 (verse 2 and 3) is shâbath from where they got sabbath from. IT PRIMARILY MEANS CEASE . In other words, God ceased from His creation of heaven and earth. He had finished it!

Boy!

It clearly said God rested, stop remixing the Bible



See, God created the earth perfect.

Genesis 1:31
[31]And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Man spoiled things.



Romans 5:12
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

From the above, it is clear that death came into the world (for both living and non living creatures) because man (who was the sole authority) sinned and spoiled things.
Hence, all you see as unintelligent design, from deceases to the likes are from man. The Bible is vindicated on that regards. Except you'll delude yourself further.

So an omniscient God didn't see that man will spoil things

As for the last paragraph,
"The existence of vestigial organs in many species, including the human species, is hardly evidence for design; for they have no discernable function ".
It is so stupid that an atheist base such a belief on the limitation of his discernment without any incontrovertible proof of the redundance of the organ in question.

As for the extinction of animals, it really doesn't make any noteworthy point as God is not the one living on earth. He only created them and committed them to man as caretaker.

Its not easy to be foolish though.

The foolish one here is you,sorry to say, but bear it in mind that dinasuars existed roughly 65 billion years ago before man so how were they then kept under the care of man





The Bible answers on the structuring of creation. It may not be written with a scientific purpose or laced with scientific jargons, but contains answers that suffices for providing answers where science is limited.
For a book written before the birth of science to provide certain scientifically accurate answers as to how man is made from dust and decays into dust, how that there are billions of species of birds, animals and fishes, how that there are waters in the firmaments and on earth and evaporation takes place, etc, it shows that it should be considered.

Why don't you tackle the writings of Hinduism, Buddhism, African traditionalism and the likes, they are simply not as accurate as the Bible.
You don't consider debating their stances. Yet, you engage in rational rigour to fault the Bible without success. That goes to show how much insecure you are, trying to give yourselves strong basis to encourage your delusion.

The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, contains the Truth when correctly interpreted.

The Bible contains little or no truth and it's so primitive and flawed, it teaches that the earth is flat, pillars hold the earth,the earth has four corners, the sun revolves around earth and so on, it is in no way scientifically important, it was written by primitive men who knew not where the sun went to at night and who believed that everything they couldn't explain in the world was magic.

LMAO, is Christianity the originality of Africans, a borrowed religion from the white man that you enslave yourself in. Only you can free yourself

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That's how slaves think, shackling themselves under the originality of others, thinking theirs is a waste. You can be free from slavery today.

Are you in anyway trying to justify slavery

DoctorAlien:


What, other than Divine Mercy, could offer the option of slavery/forced labor to a people who surely deserved death/destruction -- against whom the armies of Israel had been brought for destruction -- because "their iniquity has reached its full measure"(Gen. 15:16)?

The Satan I know is mostly portrayed as red with horns or black

danvon:
If Jesus is white isn't it obvious that Satan would be white too? What's the complain about

Jesus is portrayed as a white man, Mary as a white woman, the angels in heaven are all white men, Adam and eve are white couples,amongst the 12 disciples there is not a single black man in sight, what more do you need?

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Who is the white man's God? You seem enslaved to the rumours that God is the white man's God. Who told you? Free yourself from mental slavery and media manipulation.

It is you who lack content and originality,atheist,agnostic and free thinkers alike, look at a situation, analyse it and decide its true or not with the possibity of correction,change if a better theory or approach pops up, you and your religious cohorts on the other hand read a single book given to you by a white man, written by primitive men who knew not where the sun went to at night with no direct source or author,no room for correction and decided that every word in such book is infallible.if this is not mental slavery, I wonder what it is.

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You clearly lack content and originality, another sign of mental slavery. You are so used to follow follow of what others say.

1."The six days creation"

Firstly the world was not created in 6 days. It just didn't happen that way. But - you say - to God a day is like 1000 years. Well - come on! If God is omnipotent and he's writing a book for people to read and understand - don't you think that God knows how long a day is? I mean - doesn't one have to assume that God isn't stupid? So - even if a day is 1000 years that takes the age of the universe up to what? 12,000 years? Where did the other 15 billion years go?
We are seeing stars and galactic clusters out there that are 10 billion light years away. That means that what we are seeing came from stars 10 billion years ago. That's how long the light takes to get here. if the universe were merely 12,000 years old, we couldn't see any stars that were more than 12,000 light years away.That would be less that 100th of our own galaxy and we would never see any other galaxies because the next closest galaxy is 2.2 million light years from here. The Bible is wrong. End of story.
But - you might say - maybe God just created the light in transit to make it look like there were stars out there older than 12,000 years to fool all those scientists with no faith. Well - besides the conclusion that God must hate smart people - if God did something to mislead people - if God created light to fake the age of stars - doesn't that make God a liar? Are you calling God a liar?

2.The Creation of the Sun

According to the writers of Genesis, God created the Sun half way through the creation week. They also explain what God did during the first "days". But without a sun, there were no actual days. Without a sun to rotate around there were no "mornings" or changes in the time of day. Likewise, without natural sunlight, plants could not have grown and survived. Plants were created, however, before the Sun. If the length of time is billions of years per day, then it is very much impossible that plants could survive before the Sun was created.

“The Genesis writers didn't understand the nature of darkness either. He said that God created light (somehow before the sun and stars were made) and then "divided the light from the darkness" (1:3-4). Light, however, is not something that can be separated from darkness. Light is an electromagnetic radiation from an energy source like the sun or stars, and darkness is merely the absence of light. Without light, there will automatically be darkness. No god is needed to separate or divide light from darkness. We know that today; the prescientific Genesis writers didn't.”
We know, and would assume, that the writers of Genesis clearly did not know that the Earth revolves around the sun, that days and nights are effects of the Earth's spin, that light is electromagnetic radiation, and that darkness is the absence of light.
Whoever wrote the text of Genesis were clearly fallible, pre-scientific Human beings. If God had inspired these texts, although it could not have inspired a technical liturgy because the words did not yet exist, it surely would have dictated or inspired text that wasn't out and out erroneous.

3.The Day of Rest: Is God Really All-Powerful?

“Why would an infinitely powerful God even need six days? Wouldn't he have the ability to create everything in an instant? And, why would he have to rest when he was all done?”
"God, the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist" by Prof. Victor J. Stenger (2007)5
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The seventh day is a sign of the mythical assumptions of those who wrote the Genesis account. God is omnipotent and omniscient. Yet, it took the seventh day resting? And working out if its creation was good? It is not true that an omnipotent (all-powerful) being ever needs to rest. It is also untrue that an omniscient (all-knowing) being ever needs to wonder, ponder or think: It simply knows, and instantly. So, we immediately arrive at the conclusion that the seventh day is allegorical, symbolic and mythical, based on human imagination, and not on divine truth.

4. Unintelligent Design

Taken from: "Evolution and the Unintelligent Design of Life: Inherited Traits, Genetic Dysfunction and Artificial Life: 8. Conclusion: Unintelligent Design" by Vexen Crabtree (2007)
Genetic diseases afflict not only mankind, but also all other animal species, and all other forms of life down to the simplest bacteria and harmless single-cell lifeforms floating in the oceans. In all these species and in plants there are seemingly endless cases of genetic flaws and problems. Perhaps the best indicator of how badly life is 'designed' is the stark reality that 99% of all species have gone extinct. The food chain requires that nearly every living being survives by killing other creatures to eat for food, and species naturally expand to use up all local resources, limiting the success of other species. Everywhere in nature, predator-and-prey chains are central to life. This isn't a design for life, but a design of strife and violence. The genetic defects of nature, and the violence and strife of the natural world, indicate that life was not designed by a good-natured creator god but maybe by an evil one. My favourite phrase to describe all of this waste and bad design is one I picked up from Paul Kurtz in the Skeptical Inquirer:

“The existence of vestigial organs in many species, including the human species, is hardly evidence for design; for they have no discernable function. And the extinction of millions of species on the planet is perhaps evidence for unintelligent design.”
Paul Kurtz

5. Conclusion

The seven day creation is not literal, there are illogical and unscientific errors that would not have been apparent to the authors but which are highlighted on this page and by science. The shape of the Earth is not flat. The Sun does not revolve around the Earth. The creation of light and the sun happened independent of each other, and there were 'days' before the sun was created for the Earth to rotate around. The order in which animals, plants and other elements of life appear in Genesis contradict the order that appears in the fossil record and the order of creation of the stars, the sun, etc, also contradict what we know scientifically. The logic is flawed behind the 'day of rest', an all-powerful God does not need rest. In short, the separation of creation into a seven day period is a useless and outdated creation story riddled with errors. Such beliefs, now called creationism and fundamentalism, have set us back as a species through the (often violent) suppression of basic science.
Genesis was written by fallible Human beings, not God, and is proven to be a false record of creation. It also shows many symptoms of being a piecemeal, fragmented myth that has been edited and rewritten over time so that it hardly even makes internal sense. It contains no moral teachings and nothing educational. It is an irredeemable anachronism that we ever teach our children its pointless myths. It should be purged and forgotten.

You should rephrase that as you'll rather remain the slave of the white man's God

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Slaves of satan are here gnashing teeth against God. I'd rather be a slave of Abraham than a slave of satan.

danvon:
You didn't answer any of my questions okay maybe I should rephrase

Which God are you worshipping?

Who told you slavery is evil and why?

Do you want Christians to start supporting slavery?

New question: Who makes up the world?

People just criticizing for no goddam reason

I'm a free thinker

My common sense tells me, and why it is evil? Subjecting someone to suffering and hard labour is evil and that's basically what slavery is all about

I'm inno way wanting anyone to support slavery

What makes up the world? In what context?

If common sense can't tell you that slavery is immoral,i wonder what will.

danvon:
Jesus said "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Matthew:7:12 I can easily vouch with this against slavery because I won't like to be a slave myself

"But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve."
Luke:22:26 Jesus is saying the greatest are made to serve not the other way round, anyone who considers himself great should help others Wealthy people should help the poor, Strong should help the weak.. this is also against slavery

But let see your reasons why slavery is evil just try@Op

danvon:
If I may ask, Why is slavery bad?

When you say the Christian God is a slave supporter... what God are you comparing with exactly Allah,Atum,Zeus? You must have an idea of a better God....

The simply fact that most Christians don't support slavery isn't that enough?

You should be asking the Nigerian's that were held captive in lybia why slavery is bad or maybe it's cause you or probably any member of your family havnt experienced it,so it seems normal to you, and yes I say the Bible God 'Yahweh' because this facts clearly are from his supposed Bible...And most Christians don't support it because the world don't support it and it is seen as immoral but funny enough the God you allegedly worship supports and order it.

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

THE FOLLOWING PASSAGE SHOWS THAT SLAVES ARE PROPERTIES TO BE BOUGHT AS LIVESTOCK

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25: 44-46

THE FOLLOWING PASSAGE DESCRIBES HOW THE HEBREW SLAVES ARE TO BE TREATED

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

THE FOLLOWING PASSAGE DESCRIBE HOW SICKENING SEX SLAVERY IS AND HOW TO SELL YOUR DAUGHTER AS A SEX SLAVE

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT BEATING SLAVES?

It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

WHAT DOES JESUS SAY ABOUT SLAVERY?

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

God created light on the first day and sun on the forth day, where did the light come from?
God created plants on the 3rd day and sun on the forth day, how did plants survive without photosynthesis?
God created the sun,moon and stars on the forth day, bear it in mind that stars are billions of other planets and sun's in our galaxy,he created earth within six days and billions of other planets in a day?
The Genesis story is so flawed.

philipogunti:
The genesis story goes a long way and can be interpreted in a variety of ways, but I'd like to pinpoint what I came up with after several researches. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Remember the heaven then the earth. So it shows the heaven was created before then the earth.
It goes on with “and the earth was without form and void" meaning the earth had bn created in the beginning with no specified number or figure for the creative period. Now what happens next is the productive period. The earth without form and void could practically be like other planets in our solar system ( jupiter, mars, Venus, Saturn etc). The productive period is most believed to be 6 days but I disagree it is 24 hour period but could have spanned for thousand of yrs because the 3rd and 5th day was a succession of seed growth. Days in God's viewpoint could mean a wide period. Reason is God is not governed by time, and he himself laid the rules of time that is why he can arrange the future. He's very powerful!
Does this in some way depreciate God's power because he didn't productively present the earth in a 6 day(24 hour) period. No it shows how God is orderly in everything he does and it shows in its creation. Think about the human body.

[quote author=adetayo234 post=63618565]if you are talking about virgin birth,there are several other ancient deities that were all born of virgins take Horus,mithra,Dionysus,krisna for instance

There was no virgin birth in the first place, wake up, this is the 21st century

Like if you thought it was a day to celebrate Mohammed Alli and Co

OLAADEGBU:


Facts like something came from nothing?

Didn't your God also come from nothing?

Welcome to Nigeria, a country where people would rather pay tithe than pay their taxes

The Bible supports slavery,so I'm not surprised

i thought mcgalaxy no longer sings, probably singing in another Galaxy so he is still on earth