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n0m0705: I wouldn't rush to condemn Fellaini yet because there was no player that really performed well under moyes last season, I reserve my criticism till he starts playing under van gaal.

The comparison between him and Martinez is the issue here.

raumdeuter: He still insisted

I remember He posted one graph like that to support his argument.

The kind megedefegede yarns wey stats don cause for this thread ehn..

raumdeuter: https://i.minus.com/jbkw8YCvEYDOzt.jpg

Bwahahahhahahahhahahahha

coogar: then don't consider yourself logical if you can't ask questions. what are you doing here? you should be shopping with those brain-dead bimbos

I never asked you for any explanations, did I?

Young has been a massive failure at united... Simple!!

coogar: [s] you are a disgrace!
even after you were told young didn't assist any goal from set play in the last 2 seasons, you still continue to press for irrelevant stats.

why do you nigerians like to expose your inaptitude publicly like this. if young had no set play assists or goals in the last 2 seasons, how was he able to best valencia in productivity?



after you have been sonned?
your lack of decorum is the only reason you are still debating. young assisted no goal from set play last season or 12/13.....

come & explain how valencia still came short....[/s]
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Still waiting for the stats I asked for, bros..

coogar: de gea - best goalkeeper in the league.
young - best english winger by a country mile.

young is the truth!
he gets few games & his productivity matched tony valencia(your idol) without young breaking sweats. if young is a flop, what is valencia. why are you such a coward to answer that question?

I already answered that question when I replied afrodoc's post. Go back and read..

coogar: this is where your deductive reasoning should be questioned. young achieved in watford, he overachieved at villa. so why is he a flop at united? did he lose all those talents or injury has hampered his career at united?

Who fücking cares about the reasons behind his shameful failings at utd?

No dey ask me 21 questions jare- Ain't Curtis Jackson!

coogar: [s] this is the question i would expect any man with a functioning brain to ask himself. the record shows the injury is the problem & not that young cannot perform. even with his injury-hampered career at united, he has outperformed valencia.[/s]

Rawbish!!

coogar: [s] so why are you bellyaching?
menstrual cramps? ulcers? appendix or you swallowed cyanide-laden garri? louis van gaal values young, SAF valued young. the statistics put ashley young as the 2nd most productive winger in the last 8 seasons.[/s]

Tosh...

coogar: if you keep telling yourself that, it might become the truth in your lucid dreams. young shat on your idol. your escape was trying to ridicule the stats by bringing nasri/hazard into the debate until the stats destroyed your argument.

what else are you going to use your excuse?

You chickened out after your rubbish stats were found out to be skewed and lopsided as usual.

I'm still waiting for what I asked for oo

coogar: go & swallow a container of tylenol. the pain of the past must hurt.

Despite language barrier/ changes in environment etc, de gea improved significantly within two years to become arguable the best goalkeeper in the league while cleverley and your 29yr old hunch-back god are still fighting for the role of "worst man utd player ever".

Too bad!!

coogar: see this flip-flopper.
you told us minutes ago that young epitomises what a winger should never be & i have just laid out his catalog of individual awards. his statistics shytes on any winger in the premier league bar nani or perhaps hazard.

Why should I be concerned with what he did at watford and villa? What's my business with those teams? A player has turned out to be one of the worst things to have happened to man utd for a while now, you are here talking about his exploits 6-10 years ago.

Swerve Abeg!

coogar: nah - you are the one getting caught out with brainless statements. a winger that has conquered the top 2 leagues in england & managed to make the team of the year twice epitomises what a winger should never be?

Young in a utd shirt, is worse than pius ikedia!!

coogar: i can see the pain in your texts.....you were probably on a suicide watch when your dreams turned into nightmares concerning de gea. ;DD

On the contrary, I was very happy about the boy improvement. Until Cleverley and young do the same, both players remain Uber rubbish!!

coogar: •championship player of the year
•premier league young player of the year
•PFA team of the year 2007/8
•PFA team of the year 2008/9

these individual awards won by young suggest you might need to go for a brain scan.

When you keep on making references to his performances at watford and Aston villa when I made it crystal clear I'm only interested in what he has done in a united shirt, it means you need to see neurologist. Afro DOC won't charge too much, based on the man united brotherhood ish!!

Afro DOC- over to you before his psycho-neurosis spirals outta control!!

coogar: like the ill-disciplined wayne rooney?
de gea wouldn't have gone that way. mistakes were bound to happen as he was filling the shoes of the great van der sar & those shoes are huge.

united scouted him for almost 2 years. eric steele came back to tell fergie he's the real deal. we had the option to sign bigger names but fergie opted for this old & made him his #1. how could you have doubted fergie's judgement on de gea?

Even if he was scouted for 20 years, he was still gonna fail at man utd if he was destined to...

coogar: in a united shirt, valencia is the worst winger the whole planet has ever seen.

Young epitomizes what a winger shouldn't turn out to be- he should always be used as an example when a manager wants to illustrate terrible occurrences to his players!!

afrodoc: Summary of d epistle NONE OF THESE OGEDE PLAYERS IS PRESENTLY GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A WINGER FOR UNITED

This obvious fact is what cooger doesn't want to accept. He feels young is an upgrade on Valencia but the truth is that both of them are rubbish

coogar: see this bush man....
so you expect that kid not to improve when he first joined? jeeez - there was a big room for improvement. wasn't he 19/20 when he joined - so how could you have expected him to remain stagnant?

Bush baby... A player Having the talent is one thing, him reaching his potentials is another issue entirely. we have seen young players with huge reputation fail to live up to expectations and their careers going south in the process. We are lucky DDG didn't fall into this category.... Let's leave it at that.

coogar: buhahahaha - his stats murdered valencia. hypocrisy is saying young is a horrible signing when he has shown he has been more productive than tony valencia.

In a utd shirt, young has been one of the worst wingers Britain has ever seen!!

elampiro:
In contrast, Ashley Young is not getting younger and he has not had a great season in United as we saw Valenica and Nani did for us. Young has been getting worse by the season

This..

coogar: you are a bush man.....
the talent was glaring even in that first season you were after de gea's case. one match in madrid changed all that & the media sheep became believers overnight.

what coogar can see from 10,000 miles away, dademola can only see with a magnifying glass.

You saw nothing, bros..

If de gea didn't work on his weaknesses and still continued to flap at every cross & parrying almost every shot to the path of onrushing strikers, he'd prolly be watford's 2nd keeper by now.

coogar: i reiterate, you are a bush man....
criticise the talent, you can't criticise his injury. his injury isn't his own making.

our medical facility is inferior. hargo said so when he left. van gaal had to order for a new training pitch - we lost more players to injuries on the training pitch than on matchdays.

Oga, I say I'm not interested in your feeble excuses abi na by force??

For whatever reasons, Ashley young has been a horrible signing for us, period!!

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which is even the more reason you should listen to me. y'all nearly killed de gea with criticisms then but i remember telling you guys his problems were teething problems that would soon be over.

If de gea didn't overcome his demons, virtually everybody will still be on his case..

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now i am telling you run of injuries is more to be blamed than lack of talent in ashley young and you're still being stubborn. a cursory glance of ashley young's record on transfermarkt site will tell you he's only had one season fairly injury free.

That's the ish...

I really don't care for the reasons behind young's horrendous form in a Red Devils shirt, same way I don't want to know if nani was once better than CR7.

SailorXY: what happens to our dear Anderson?

Fat ando is now one of the teletubbies.

coogar: i have moved on. when you make another error concerning any of my favourite players at OT, i will be back to challenge you. for now, take the crown from valencia & place it very well on young's head. bow down to him when you are done.

Talk is cheap..

Bring the stats and lets see!!

I reiterate; young and cleverley are the worst calamities to have befallen us since the unfortunate munich disaster- take that to the bank and open a fixed deposit account with it!!

elampiro: Dadehmola, Cleverley played very well yesterday. Let's hope for consistency.

When DDG 1st arrived at oldtrafford, I remember he was often criticized by you, starboard( I think), and myself. With his impressive displays the following season till date, did anyone of us continue with the criticism?

If there are visible signs of improvement in Valencia, cleverley & young, I'd be 1st to admit it here- I won't have problems doing so, afterall their improvement will be in the interest of the club.

coogar: open your rectum wide open & take the stats you asked for.

young murdered valencia in goals/assists - young is 10 times more creative than valencia. numbers don't lie, dademola. i know this must be painful to see your ecuadorean idol dragged in the mud.

however, statistics are facts!

Instead of the rants, kindly Give me what I asked for oga..

coogar: [s]go & use balm to rub the bruises from the body blows you have received already. young did not cop any assist from set plays in the last 2 seasons. young didn't score any goal from set play in the last 2 seasons.

what other excuse would you put up for valencia? oh yes.....valencia played sometimes as a full back & that hindered his stats? hmm - or valencia has 3 testiclës and it's the reason he couldn't hit perfect crosses?

young is valencia's father on the wing!

take your defeat & stop moaning[/s].

Give me the stats I asked for and leave story for tortoise Abeg!!

elampiro: He has removed one season for you already.

I need the ones for hazard and Nasri.

He should remove them and prove to me that Nasri and hazard have been better than Valencia and young, since he said stats don't lie

elampiro: He has removed one season for you already.

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coogar: [s] words coming out from betfred says he's a strong candidate for the captain.



which stupïd credence? that midfield needing fixing has won more league titles than any team in the league. how are they doing it? carrick & cleverley beat the crap out of chelsea, city, liverpool, arsenal, etc. surely, it's your lack of memory that needs fixing.



he posted a MOTM performance last night alongside young. he murdered the inter midfield when he came on & should have had a penalty before the game went into a shootout.



you need spiritual deliverance!!!



are you high on pubes? which stüpid set plays. tell us the set plays young copped last season to have exactly the same creativity stats as valencia despite playing 920 league minutes less than valencia?

when people run out of ideas, they look for straws to grasp. how many set plays assists have young copped at united? this is how you people peddle lies in the name of trying to sway arguments. in case you have lost focus on the argument....

young - 2 goals/3 assists(open play)
valencia - 2 goals/3 assists(open play)

young played 1028 mins
valencia played 1947 mins.

explain how young's set plays influenced the stats or tape it shut & admit you know nothing about football statistics. most of you here are just media sheep. read what the media say & form idiotic opinion based on what you have read instead of doing your own research.



it's not my business what podolski generates for arsenal. don't colour the argument with endless stream of distracting bullshyte. i have proven young has more productivity in his left foot than valencia & the 20 generations before him. i have also proven that amongst hazard, young, valencia & traitor nasri......valencia is the weakest winger.

if you have any evidence that disproves my theory, produce it or take your loss as usual on this debate[/s].

Oga, remove the goals and assists that came from setplays and get back to me! I don't need all these meaningless epistles!!

coogar: you didn't see the game, stop being a false witness.

Cleverley was useless just has he has always been- man up and admit it!

coogar: we used giggs & oshea before cleverley even joined the first team. all kinda players have played in united's midfield.

.....which lays credence to the fact that our midfield has needed some fixing for a while now. unfortunately, air-heads like cleverley haven't lived up to billing!!

coogar: but he captained united at rooney's expense. don't lie - you had ulcers when you saw tom cleverino leading the team out.

I was hoping to see a changed cleverley, only for the sideways and clueless 1diot to further buttress the fact that a leopard never changes its spots!!

coogar: if your conjuctivitis wasn't so acute, you woulda seen the numbers up there. valencia came last in every category.

The exact reason why I said you need orepthal...

Why haven't you removed setplays like you'd always do when it comes to rooney's stats?

Give us a complete breakdown like you'd do when fatboy is involved!!

If na by stats, pelligrinini should be preparing a 50m bid for Podolski as a replacement for Nasri and silva, probably because the German's numbers were more impressive than what the two etihad guys posted last season!!( correct me if I'm wrong)

coogar: rooney & co musta been super worse to have been taken off @ half time.

He was useless..

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coogar: widely seen as a solution to whose urgent problem? where was this solution when cleverley marshalled the midfield to win the league by 11 points in 12/13? urgent solution ko, urgent soluble substance ni.

Yeah,he has been marshaling brilliantly to the extent that we've had to use jones, giggs and even Rooney in games and even call scholes outta retirement and get an extra year sef..... All within the last 4yrs.[/quote]The only area where cleverly marshals, is cluelessness- he is a disgrace!!

coogar: no winger can be as worse as valencia in the league. it's just that english fans love players who work hard, this is why valencia have a career in england.

it doesn't matter if he's effective or not. run hard, pass hard, tackle hard and english fans would show their love. this is why gareth barry is far more adulated than carrick or cleverley. it's the british culture & this is why they fail in international tournaments.

an english fan will tell you kuyt is better than berbatov....

I need Nasri and hazard's numbers in comparison with young's, since you said numbers don't lie.

When you are ready, holla. I don't need all these epistles!!

coogar: how so?
young scores in every 495 mins, valencia in every 897 mins. that's a difference of 400 mins between them.



expensive players are usually more talented, no? why would you compare chelsea's best player to ashley young just because valencia is a flop? it doesn't make sense.

i ain't pulling any irrelevant stat.

Oga cooger oo... You said numbers don't lie, isn't it?

Oya prove to me with numbers, that hazard and Nasri aren't worse than Valencia or young!!

I no go gree if you chicken out as usual oo

coogar: it simply shows you didn't see the match. 9 changes were made at half time. only blackett & cleverley remained. cleverley had to come off for hernandez in the 70th minute & our midfield simply collapsed afterwards.

Your captain was subbed off after a lethargic performance as usual- live with it!!!

coogar: we desperately chased an expensive berbatov in 2008 when we had tevez, rooney, ronaldo - it must have said so much of them to SAF.

it musta said so much of ronaldo for madrid to chase bale & rodriguez. it musta said so much of messi for barca to chase suarez & neymar.

you should be analysing football in a nursery school.

You are actually comparing the pursuit of Vidal and strootman, who are widely seen as the solution to a very urgent problem in the team, to our pursuits of berba in 09 and Madrid's purchase of Rodriguez??

You need blood tonic!!

PietroRico: chai.

Anyway, I'll love to see the look on your face when welbz and cleverley prove u horribly wrong this season.

I'd be the happiest person on earth.
I was one of de gea's biggest critics when he 1st joined the club but the dude don shut my mouth up.

Wetin dey pain me pass na say make person dey try give flimsy excuses for a player that's clearly not performing well, just because he is one of your favorites.

It

coogar: the lie detector test says you are lying. i have showed you their numbers and i have proven valencia is the worst thing that happened to united.

He isn't- young is..

coogar: young - £18m
hazard - £35m
nasri - £25m

compare like for like na!
i thought the argument was between young & valencia. why involve big money signings?

What does transfer price gotta do with the stats in question?

Pull out their stats and let's see oga!!

coogar: van gaal's weakness!
he has a soft spot for youths. so you are actually making my point.

We shall see..

coogar: yes, LVG said the weather & the atmospheric pressure tired out the team & he had to ring the changes much quicker.

So much for "your captain" to be yanked off at the hour mark after a typical laid-back performance



this is akin to if we get suarez, rooney would leave bütt-prints on the bench. vidal will cost £40m with a wage packet of £270k/week. why won't he be first choice with that kinda money?[/quote]We are desperately chasing an expensive midfielder, which says so much of cleverley's value to LVG.

coogar: even a kid of 5 knows that valencia has to be shipped out first before young. he contributes nothing to our football. he's idiotïc, there are more intelligent donkeys than valencia in bethlehem.

I reiterate: Ashley young is the worst calamity to have befallen the club since the Munich air disaster ( RIP to the dead )

coogar: young scores a league goal in every 495 mins. young assists a league goal in every 209 mins

valencia scores a league goal in every 897 mins
valencia assists a league goal in every 261 mins

elampiro lies, dademola lies, numbers never lie.

If I ask you to use the same parameters to compare young to hazard or maybe Nasri, you'd run away as usual.

Swerve joor!

coogar: he won't....
rafael is better than him offensively & defensively. look back to the seasons we have had. rafael has put in more delicious crosses than valencia who is very happy to hit it against his marker's knees for a corner.

when rafael returns, valencia won't have a career.

I feel Rafael's youthful exuberance might just be his undoing. We shall see.

coogar: and yet louis van gaal made him the captain in the penultimate game against roma?

Only for the captain to be yanked off after how many minutes?

coogar: cleverley will thrive under van gaal. i have predicted this before the friendlies. players who can pass & move are the ones that would suit van gaal's formation better. cleverley even did better last night than herrera.

If we get Vidal, cleverley will be the squad player he ought to be!

coogar: how can?
for a player plundering our vault with £300k/week, i want him to have a messi performance every week. how can i be contented with rooney playing shyte every week? if he doesn't score 50 goals this coming season then he's a bastärd!

This same yardstick can also be used to evaluate an Ashley young whose salary is in the same region as di Maria's ( if not more ), yet the Englishman isn't even good enough to clean the boots of the Madrid star.

If Ashley young doesn't perform upto standards this season, it means he's a true son of his father!!

coogar: everybody knows? are you sure?
i thought players who aren't in the tour are already out of the starting xi - according to dademola's logic.

If you want to compare RVP's status in the team to Rafael's, that's your headache, not mine.

coogar: young is on the left, valencia is on the right. how would a one-legged valencia displace young on the left? as far as the performances have gone under van gaal, young is certainly ahead of valencia..

When Valencia establishes himself as 1st choice RWB...with young having to train with the reserves, you fit carry placard go oldtrafford in protest!

coogar: it was only when a prehistoric manager with a prehistoric football tactics was at the helm that valencia had one over young. now we have a manager that wants vision, movement & running behind the defenders. young thrives, valencia failed.

Since his move to OT, Young's displays on the wing are single-handedly the worst the epl has witnessed in a while!!!

coogar: if he isn't, van gaal should have shipped him out now. or what's van gaal waiting for? why is it that cleverley is one of the players to have quickly adapted to the new system while crooks like valencia look like a deer in the headlights?

Guy, I have despised Valencia's football for a while now but if he is gonna be an integral part of LVG's setup ( which looks very likely), so be it.......as long as he ups his game.

coogar: football intelligence is what tom offers.

Patience Jonathan has more football intelligence than tom stupidly!

coogar: you are just wasting time....
you should take yourself & 11 members of your vigilante troops and force ashley young out of OT.......and escort him to burnley fc.

If he continues with his abduMUMUni football, LVG will kick him out himself..

coogar: i know you must be having ulcers seeing young producing MOTM performance in every game he's played. you need a doctor.

Same way rooney's form so far is giving you sleepless nights. You had Better relax