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JackBizzle:
Nice one bro.

I am very calm in real life. I learnt how mad religious people can be very early as my very own cousin threatened me with a knife for "disrepecting Jesus". Na only nairaland i get mouth.


But every once in while, I let righteous anger get the best of me. There was a day in my office where I had to blast a colleague for interjecting with her religious bullshite. I didnt respond to her when she said "Jesus loves you" to me randomly- which made her to start asking me if I am a real christian that likes christ. I simply told her that I cannot love christ as i am not a homosexual that is into Jewish men. You should have seen the reaction on her face. Some of my colleagues bursted out in laughter.

. You can't help but let righeous anger get the best of you when dealing with some of the over zealous Nigerian religious people. They hate me because of the way I go against this their tithe brouhaha or talk down on some of their pastors sometimes.

They TRULY BELIEVE that if you talk bad about their pastors something bad will happen to you. I speak bad about their pastors openly, I try to let them know that these tithe, first fruit, seed sowing, divine favor sowing etc are not necessary. It will NOT make them rich. I always cite real life examples starting with myself. They listen angrily and can not counter because they know any telling them the truth. Some just say may God show me the way and open my eyes bla bla bla. They still don't know am an atheist. Most of them don't even know what atheism means. They don't know that there are people that don't believe in God. They feel everyone is either a christian or a muslim. .

JackBizzle:
I remember one of my friends arguing with me about tithe. He said tithing will bring further blessings. I then asked him that why then is he broke and asking me for money since he has been tithing for over 5 years. He got angry and left. The next time I saw him, he was looking for a partner for his business. I then asked him jokingly to tithe more so that he would have enough money to start his business. He just kept quiet at first then switched the conversation to his business proposition.

Money is the only thing that silences a hungry Nigerian.

You'd be suprised that they'll even support you sometimes against their own when you have money and they know you are going to give them. Nigerians only care that you have money and you are going to give them. They DON'T CARE how you make your money, they DON'T CARE about anything at all, all they CARE about is that you HAVE money and you are going to GIVE them. They can only talk behind your back but when you come to them they will do as you say. They will even bring gossips to you to report those that are saying bad things about you to you just to enter your good books.They keep reporting themselves to me everyday while I sit back and laugh at them all. I am seriously enjoying the show.

2 years ago I went to the hospital to visit a sick relative, prior to going there I had already informed my mum that I was going to help my widowed aunt settle the remaining bills for her sick daughter when I get there and my mum told her. When I got there her church people were there praying for my cousin that was already recovering very well, but the way they went about the prayers was just crazy, instead of silently praying and going there way they started this mountain of fire kind of prayers inside a hospital oo, disturbing other patients and the doctors, one female doctor came and told them to just stop it and they started saying that their prayers was disturbing the doctor and her spirits that are tying the people down on their sick beds, openly suggesting that she's a witch or some demon that's why she was telling them to stop praying, bla bla bla.

I was shocked. I immediately jumped in and told them to shut up or they will be thrown out. It almost lead to a physical altercation. If their useless shouting works then why were they there in the hospital in the first place I told them. They should have taken my cousin to the church and prayed for her and shout all they want instead of coming to the hospital. I was suprised when my aunt came to my support ooo. She supported me and told them to stop it. She knows that if they annoy me and I leave they will have to pray for the money to come down for her. They know she's an underemployed widow, they also know that she needed money but they didn't come with 1 naira to help her out, only to come and be shouting and disturbing people inside the hospital with their useless prayers. I was shocked that she supported me. She did not tell them to tone their shouting down she just told them to stop it.

If you have money and they know that you'll give them they will support you. Unless if you foolishly start telling them that there is no God to their faces in a mocking and disparaging way or you tell them that the bible or Koran is a lie in a mocking way, only then will you enter wahala even as a rich person. But if you do it subtly they will tolerate you and support you sef, so long as they know that money will reach them from your side.

hopefulLandlord:
yeah but I have to admit Nigerian theists are consistent and would call anybody richer than them thieves, kidnappers, corrupt and ritualists amongst many other adjectives regardless of religious affiliation

many Nigerians regard dangote as a ritualist and even think whoever its many trucks kill is a ritualistic sacrifice despite the fact that he's a Muslim

they also believe almost all our politicians are ritualists too that have human heads in their wardrobes where hard currencies are vomited on daily basis despite the fact that all our politicians are theists

although I must add that being an atheist makes the rumours much more believable as most Nigerians believe no one can get rich without some supernatural backing, be it from their own imaginary friend (Jesus Yahweh Allah) or imaginary enemies (witches, wizards, Mermaids, spiritual herbalists, cults, pagan gods etc) so once someone doesn't give credit to one of their imaginary friends for the successes, it must automatically mean that the successes come from their imaginary enemies, its a dichotomy to them and there's no middle ground

Nothing more to add since you've said it all.

hopefulLandlord:
a broke open atheist is a walking cliché, such an atheist is in fact enforcing others to believe in a god lol because most theists think their lives would be way worse without their imaginary friend and a simple look at a broke struggling atheist that can hardly get by is proof, according to them, that god exists although a broke theist isn't proof god does not exist, classic eating cake and having it

. You'd be surprised that they also tag rich athiest as rituallist.

LightandDarkness:
Surprising how "tolerant" people can be when you're rich, successful and providing for them. Not like I would know, I'm broke

They have to be tolerant oo. If they vex for me then they'll have to go and meet Jesus himself and tell him to give them the money na. If they vex for me no money will come out, so them just dey vex dey tolerate me and me am seriously liking it. Am beating them and forcing them not to cry.

They find me more of an enigma, and conclude that am over educated or I lived with white people too much and they have brainwashed me, else how can I be saying that their superstitions are not real bla bla bla.

But being previlage to have access to many things because of money has taught me one thing, and that is that Nigerians ONLY worship money, especially the christians. Money is the only God that they believe in and knows that truly exist. Forget what they always say, just follow their actions because actions always speak louder than words. Money is the only God Nigerians worship.

My advice to all atheist in the house is, don't ever come out as an atheist if you don't have money. It's suicidal. If you have money they will tolerate you, they might not accept you but you will be tolerated and respected.

JackBizzle:
I feel the op.

Life as an atheist in nigeria is hard. Worse is if you dont have money.

Atheist without money in Nigeria? Na death be that oo. Most people around me ONLY tolerate my skeptical utterances because I feed them. They don't even know that am an atheist but they just tolerate my comments only because I feed them. They get angry when I tell them that juju is fake or if I advise them to work things out instead of praying. Some months ago my in law brought TB Josuah's miracle water to the house and was trying to give my daughter to take for her fever, I rejected it and told her that her medication is enough. The inlaw took offense, she saw me as weird but didn't complain much cos she came to beg me for money. There are many other incedence like this.

I don't go to church or mosques. I don't follow them to pray and engage in other religious activities. When the bring their superstitions to me I point out to them that they are not real, I always apply caution though.

Am am enigma to most people around me. They really want to get mad at me but they can't because I feed them and am seriously liking it.

butterflylion:
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I never created a boogie man when you already started by laying the foundation in your own words that IT IS YOUR OPINION!

so all the above is still your opinion. That's all there is to it.

You are creating a boogie man and beating it what ever way you like.

I also told you that scholars agree that the gospels were written anonymously. The titles were assign much later by others. No body knows who the authors were. The were anonymously written. Take away the assigned tittle you can not show me that Mark wrote the book of Mark by reading the gospel. No where in the book does the author claim that he wrote the book or that he knows Jesus and has ever met him.

felixomor:
Inside your dull brain
Everyone is always lying on your head.

See how they hav disgraced you above again.

Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did , so why are you crying?

butterflylion:
Well you already defined the "believe" you keep mentioning to be the below


Believe: hold (something) as an opinion; think.

So this comment of yours is obviously strictly YOUR OPINION!

This is simply you creating a boogie man so that you can hammer it and beat it what ever way you want.

thank you for saying that is strictly your own version and funny enough your own version seems to be borrowed from Islam. Could that be the reason why you always use Islam when talking to a Christian? What I see is a person who rejects anything outside his worldview simply because he isn't adaptable. Yet your own worldview is also rejected by others even other atheists as well. I have conversed with spiritual atheists and atheists who believe powers exist so even your fellow atheists would disagree with you on this. So may I ask, since you reject the miraculous which is simply supernatural (spiritual) intervention, what would you say man is? A spiritual being in human form with a soul or a spiritual being or just soil and dirt?

I always use Islam to show what belief systems are. A formulation of human beings.

Saying that powers exist without being able to demonstrate and provide evidence to show that those powers exist is nothing but a waste of time and admittance that you are not stating the truth. I have given you a specific example from the bible that shows that the claims of Jesus are simply not true in reality. According to the Jesus story he promised people that believe in him including YOU the ability to do greater things that he did if only they believe in him. You very much believe in Jesus but you can not do any of the things written about him because the promise is fictional same with all the miraculous events written about it. If it's true you shul be able to do as he promised, the fact that you can't simply shows its not true. You believe in Jesus but you can't do any of the things he saidyou will be able to do because the promise is simply false and fictitious. It's not about making claims of powers, it's about demonstrating them clearly for all to see and believe after all the bible talks about believers having some incredible abilities so that others will see and believe. No such thing exist in reality. If it's true YOU should be able to demonstrate it because you truly believe. It's easy to talk about powers. Go ahead demonstrate them and show that they are real.

Again your comment is strictly your opinion. Again you mentioned it here as your opinion and since they are your opinion why do you always want to pass your personal unverifiable opinion as fact and always attempt to hammer it into others that your opinion HAS TO BE ACCEPTED as the way it happened when they are simply AN OPINION.

Where did I say that my opinion has to be accepted? Stop making things up and running commentary on them. I simply said I am telling you why I reject the stories bad in what you asked me.

[b]Scholars worldwide in large numbers say you are wrong[/b. Historically and based on use of language they have been able to connect the gospels to specific people and have already mentioned. Even the Bible itself in many places always mentioned the writer of specific portions or scriptures. Like the book of John, Mathew, mark, luke, Pauls letters to churches, etc. So if you say the writers are anonymous even while their names are found in scripture and scholars confirm much of this would it not be right to say you are also parading YOUR OPINION around as fact without personal research?

Completely not true. The scholarly work and concensus that showed that Mathew wrote the gospel of Mathew is what? The scholarly concensus is that this books were written anonymously. That is the consensus.

Where in the book of Mathew did the author reveal his identity or state who he was? If you take away the tittle assigned by the early fathers to the book how will you know who the author of the book is? where did the writer specifically state who he was or claim authorship of the book? Same with Mark and Luke. Where did any body claim authorship of those books. Where did Mathew claim he wrote the book of Mathew? Give me the scholarly concensus that's states that the gospel of Mark was not anonymously written.

Yes whether he was crucified or not is not your problem of course, the only problem you have is that he rose again and did the miraculous! If you are willing to accept he was crucified why then did you first deny the method of his death? Does it matter how it was portrayed when ultimately he was crucified? Whether you believe or not would not change the story would it?

Dead people do not raise from the dead only in fictional narratives but not in reality. Even if he was crucified he died and after that his followers decided to invent stories after that to continue his movement. As I said I am iling to accept that he was crucified and he died. Anything after that is pure fiction.

felixomor:
Go and answer their questions
Ediort.

Shut up and stop telling lies.

felixomor:
Oh so you see that they got your stupidity with their questions.
And u cant answer as usual.....
And u open your mouth "liar liar"
Mscheww
I dey shame for u

Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did. Shut up and desist from being a lying Felixmoron.

felixomor:
Dullardeen
First Answer the ones you were asked above.

Stop being a dolt

Lie lie Felixmoron. Move along.

hopefulLandlord:
Chemystry, I can relate bro, its like you echoed my thoughts with good precision

I have to add however that my own is slightly different from number 1 in that they don't assume everyone is a Christian, they just assume everyone is a theist or more narrowly either a Christian or Muslim, so it goes more like "I believe everyone here believes in (a) God"

Its always like that in Nigeria. Some Indian once said he was a Hindu in Abuja and the people around were just looking at him confused including my mum. They expected him to be a christian or muslim.

felixomor:
Just
Look @ everyone confirming your stupidity above.
Chai i am ashamed....
Hian

You just confirmed your status as a liar and you are still yapping nonsense. Where and when did I say that the Romans invented the bible? Show me Mr lie lie Felixmoron.

felixomor:
SHUT up there and receive sense.

Felixmumu the lair. After lying that I said Romans invented the bible you are now telling me to shut up after daring you to provide evidence to support your lies. Lie lie Mr Felixmoron.

Once a blockheaded idiot, always a blockheaded Idiot.

rhektor:
You believe that the story was formulated yet you accepted some part of it as true based on what dalaman?

Yes the stories were formulated. Read what am saying and stop asking me the same question over and over. I believe that there was a man behind the lengend. All I believea about the story I've stated, which is a man wanted to start his own movement and angered the establishment and they had him killed after which his followers continued his movement after he died by inventing stories about him and spreading them and gaining new members.

Your version now is the authorised version of the event that happened thousands of years ago right? Yet you failed to give me an accurate account of the events that happened to your family line just about hundred years? Now tell me why anyone should take you serious?

I am only stating why I reject the stories of Jesus as presented. These stories have no evidence at all to back them. Let me ask you my own question. Answer it and don't run away from it.

Historians did not mention the stories of Jesus as told by his followers any where in history and there is no archeological/physical evidence to show that these events happend. By evidence I mean, there is no cross, no body knows where the tomb of Jesus is(the two different tombs we have in Israel are just symbolic), no bust of Jesus exist any where, nothing tangible exist at all about him that will count as evidence only stories that are mostly contradictory. Example there is no evidence at all to show that Jesus raised anybody from the dead . We only have written stories from unknown sources. How then do you know that it is true?

Lengedary and mythological yet you foolishly believe part of it? The atheist community will be very proud of you right now

I've told you what I believe. Do you have any evidence to show that the stories are factual and not legendary/ mythical?

Suddenly you accepted something that nobody could tell you it was written by anybody. An authorless story appeal to you because you can not disprove it all together therefore you feel all you should do is to accept some part and reject some part so as not to be accused whenever you are cornered? Even Darwkin accepted an apologized on live TV. As for you on this faceless forum you arrogance won't even let you accept not to mention apology keep it up dalaman

Why the emotional melt down na. What is it? It's true nobody knows who wrote any of the gospels. Church tradition assigned authorship to them.

Take away the tittle assigned to the book of Matthew by the church fathers. How you you know that Matthew wrote the book of Mathew from reading the book? Did any Mathew claim authorship in any part of the book?

What exactly did Dawkins apologize for?

This is the greatest problem you have ever had, you battle with it day and night as this is the major part of the said formulated story that you are still trying and working hard to reject, how can you then tell me it is not your problem when you droll over every Christian post on nairaland to disprove the same story?

Stop this emotional melt down. It won't help you when discussing with me. I reject the major parts because they are fictional and simply untrue. If the major parts are true you should be able to demonstrates it your self. You believe in Jesus don't you? According to the stories he promised YOU the ability to do greater things than him. If it is true you should be able to do that. But you can't do any of the things written about him despite your great belief because it is simply untrue. The major part of the story reports things that are impossible and only happen in fictional and superstitious narratives and not in reality.

felixomor:
The man has dodged these question so many times.
He once told us the romans invented the bible out of desperation.

The guy is out of touch. He feels he is qualified to argue simply because he sees other atheists arguing.
You even see him dabbling with science when it's obvious he has no business there.


By the time he gets trapped and cant bail himself out he resorts to insults and repeating your statements.

Quote where I said the Romans invented the bible you shameless liar. Just quote it and show that you can speak the truth for ones. Mr Felixmoron the lie lie master. Don't come and play the stupid usual games of yours by trying to change it into another talk. Just show quote where I said Romans invented the bible. Mr lie lie.

I find it funny that Mr sleeping brain is talking about science. Felixmumu.

butterflylion:
I don't understand! How can you accept ANY PART of a story you have no way of verifying? Even if you accept a very little part according to you and that little part is that there was a man that was trying to create his own movement which angered the religious establishment and they had him killed.

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As I said earlier, I believe the stories were formulated after a person that existed by his followed who wanted to continue his movement. I just try to filter through it and accept what is humanly possible and discard what isn't.

That isn't in any way a little part. It's a huge part of the story. You believe Jesus lived and you believe he died or was killed but either way HE DIED! Then you begin telling your own stories which you have no proof about that he did not die in the manner described and never rose again after 3 days.

Your account is as unverifiable as the one you reject so why would you then CHOOSE to believe your own account and not the other one you reject?

I just try to filter through it and accept what is humanly possible and discard what isn't. My own account is very humanly possible. The account I reject is simply untrue because it has fictional events and narratives that are just humanly impossible and can never happen in reality. If those stories are true then we will be able to see evidence for them and I stated that Jesus promised those people that believe in him the ability to do greater things than him but those that believe in him can't do any of the fantastic and incredible things written about him because it is simply untrue. It is on this basis that I chose to accept my own version and reject the other version.

If you say those events are not naturally possible this then takes us back to your stand as an atheist who seeks verifiable evidence for events but you have no problem believing Jesus simply existed as long as none of the miraculous events are included.

It has nothing to do with my stand as an atheist. Those narratives are simply fictional because they are untrue. They are just legendary and mythological. I try to form my opinion on what is humanly possible and what is not based on the report. The miraculous parts are fictional.

Also if you say his followers wrote about Jesus in such a fantastic manner would you also say those followers wrote about themselves in the same fantastic manner and eye witness accounts of their own lives even after Jesus was long gone was also part of the advancement of your "Jesus fraud claim"?

Nobody knows who wrote any of the Jesus stories? The stories were written ananonymously, not by people who witnessed the events or people who knew Jesus or ever met him but by people who lived very long after he died. People later(early church fathers ) on had to assign authorship to the books to give them legitimacy and chose the ones people were to accept as the true ones(Gospels) out of the many others that were in circulation. As for the followers what ever that was written about them is just part of the propaganda since it was written by people that wanted to promote the religiousmovement.

Would you also say that documented third party accounts of how these followers died while declaring the gospel was also part of the propaganda?

Yes. Completely.

Here is your comment below



You are saying two different things there and cancelling out your comments by yourself.

First you say YOU DO NOT REALLY BELIEVE HE DIED IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THE STORIES DEPICTED BUT BELIEVE HE WAS KILLED. (statement one)

(Now statement two)

YOU SAID WAS HE CRUCIFIED OR STONED TO DEATH YOU CANNOT REALLY SAY.

BUT STATEMENT ONE ALREADY SAID YOU DO NOT BELIEVE HE DIED IN THE MANNER DEPICTED WHILE STATEMENT 2 SAYS THE DIRECT OPPOSITE WHEN YOU SAID YOU CANNOT SAY FOR SURE HOW HE DIED AFTER SAYING YOU BELIEVE HE DID NOT DIE AS DEPICTED.

Kindly clarify.

Whether he was crucified or not is not a problem to me. All I believe is that he was executed in one way or the other. I am also willing to accept that he was crucified but how it was portrayed in the stories is what I do not believe.

butterflylion:
In short you reject the miraculous accounts but accept everything else.

Since you said the below

I don't accept everything else. I just accept a very little part of the story which I have stated. Which is that there was a man that was trying to create his own movement which angered the religious establishment and they had him killed.

This means you have no verifiable proof that Jesus existed but simply believed based on what you read or were told.

believe
verb
accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.

So to you the existence of Jesus IS TRUE!

How then would you categorically claim the miraculous aspects in the said stories were invented and not all the stories Afterall the miraculous aspects are also part of the stories.

No I don't accept the existence of Jesus as true because believe according to the dictionary also has a second meaning which is

2 Believe: hold (something) as an opinion; think.

This is the believe I have about Jesus. I don't accept his existence as true I only hold it as an opinion. The miraculous aspect are obviously fictional because they are simply untrue. They describe events that are humanly impossible. Example Virgins can not humanly give birth. A human being can not be brought back to to life after dying and being buried for 3 days, no human being can walk on water unaided or restore the amputated body parts of another immediately at will without any medical procedure. But that isn't just it, Jesus promised those that believe in him the ability to do greater things that what was written about him if only they believe in him. Non of his followers can do any of the things he was written to have done. Meaning it is simply not true.

Also you said the below

If Jesus wanted to create his own religious movement would he not have been the one to write about his miraculous stories by himself and not third party witnesses? Would he not have been the one to write about his death and resurrection even when it never happened and not third party witnesses?

If the third party witnesses were the ones who documented events why then would you say Jesus wanted to create his own religious movement? To whose gain?

So based on your comment as well you BELIEVE he did die in the manner he did. Why?

No, people will believe more if others wrote about it and claim they witnessed the events. People believe more when stories are written about others compared to when they write the stories themselves. I'll believe a narrative more where witness relate it and say there were with you over the one you alone will tell me especially when it has some fantastic reporting to it.

As I said earlier it was his followers that raised his status and started writing the stories many years after he died because it was his followers that wanted to continue the religious movement after he died by inventing fantastic stories about him and telling it to others.

I don't really believe he died according to the manner in which the stories written about him stated. But I believe that he was killed. Was he crucified or stoned to death? that I can not really say but I believe he was killed and the movement he started was continued and spread around by his followers with great vigor after he died.

vaxx:
the historical figure Muhammed exist. there is More than enough evidence that buttress the claim. the islamic version of his story might not be accurate though.

Jesus existence can be debated.

I think this question is irrelevant. you should rather challenge the doctrine of believer in regard to their faith on how it does not make sense to the society and why everybody should be Atheists. because of the goodies it has to offer.

I am not for universal atheism. I don't want everybody to be an atheist. You are NOT the one to tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

butterflylion:
So without any verifiable proof, you simply believed as an atheist that a man named Jesus once existed. Note I said verifiable proof.

Are these " stories" you said were invented verifiable to you?

Plus would you say ALL the stories about him were invented or some of them? If you say some of them, which ones?

Please answer my questions calmly.

There is nothing tangible that I can use to verify or prove his existed. The only thing provided to show that he existed are stories and it is based on this stories or part of them that I beieve that he existed.

Most of the stories about him were invented, example his virgin birth, acts miraculous wonders like raising people from the dead, walking on water, turning water into wine, events that happened when he was killed like the resurrection of dead people that walked round the city of Jerusalem when he was killed, his resurrection and post resurrection appareances.

Again what I believe is that there was a man that lived and tried to create his own religious movement by claiming that he was the son of God. That angered the religious establishment and they killed him after he died his followers formulated stories about him and elevated his status to God saying that he was alive and was coming soon to take them back to heaven with him.

butterflylion:
So you stop at "you believe" . Why would you as an atheist BELIEVE a man named Jesus once existed when you had no proof shown you for you to confirm?

Remember you said in your own words
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So can you tell me what made you then believe a man named Jesus who is behind what you term as a legend once existed?

Remember this is not an argument so try not to turn it into one. These are rather simple questions you should already have answers to especially since you said you believe a man named Jesus existed.

I've stated it already. I just believe that the various Jesus stories weren't invented out of thin air. I believe that there was a man behind the stories.

butterflylion:
Please this is not about muhammad so leave him out of it.

You BELIEVE or you KNOW a man named Jesus existed?

How can I know that a man named Jesus existed when I have never meet or interacted with him in any way. He isn't from my own part of the world and lived over 2000 years ago according to stories written down by people who I don't know and also have never met or interacted with in any way. I believe that a man named Jesus existed.

rhektor:
Dalaman version of history. You state it like you were there as it happens. Your hypocrisy is out of this world

I stated what was fictional. Virgin birth etc.

butterflylion:
As expected you prefer making no sense to the sense I wish to introduce to you.

We are talking about existence (life) and not death. I never mentioned the death of your 6th generation grandpa but his existence so your question which I should be the one asking you is did Jesus ever exist?

Let's start from the beginning before we get to his death. So tell me, do you believe Jesus ever existed?

Yeah I believe there was a man behind the legend just as I also believe that there was a man behind the Mohammed legend.

rhektor:
Now suddenly he was alive and died many years ago? But before now he was not real. You can go on an keep deceiving yourself and your beloved atheist community

There was a man named Jesus that lived about 2000 years ago. He died and after his death his followers started elevated him to a God. They formed stories about him, how he was born through a virgin (fiction ), how he performed many fictitious wonders like walk on water, turn water to wine, raise the dead etc, they said he was killed and later came back to life (fiction ) and claim he is still alive to this day (more fiction)

The real Jesus died 2000 years ago. Any additional story about him being alive remains fictional. That's why you can not even give me a basic description of him even though yu claim to interact with him.

You can't because you are dealing with a fictional being.

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Honestly you got time for theists' dumb back and forth. I've spotted the problem with that analogy already, but he couldn't. And they keep wondering why unbelievers diss em daily for their small brain. Lol

Unless he admit Jesus is dead, I don't see how his analogy is helping him.

I tire oo.

rhektor:
Does his death many years ago make him a fiction? Now you can see what you look like when you call Jesus a fiction.

Jesus is a mythology character. He is also dead just like my grandfather of the 6th generation thatbisbwhy you can not describe him. You believe he is alive but in reality he is dead. The Jesus you believe is alive is fictional. The real one is dead. He died about 2000 years ago.

butterflylion:
You don't seem to understand why he asked you for a description of your paternal grandpa.

You answered by saying your paternal grandpa of the 6th generation died many years ago. You've never meet him, you don't know him. You don't even know his name or have any idea about him because he died many years ago and your parents and grand parents never told you anything about him.

However despite all you just said regarding your 6th generation grandpa you still know you had one and he once lived.

You have no data to hold onto regarding him but there is proof all around you that he once existed. True?

There is proof your generation had a beginning even though you know nothing about that beginning but you know there was one. Your dad is proof of that, your grandpa is, your great grandpa is, your great grand PA thrice removed is and so on until you enter the place of no data such as you have said about your 6th generation grandpa. Am I wrong?

This is not argument so try not to start one. This is a simple question.

What is this pile of hot thrash? Unless if you agree that Jesus is dead I don't see how you are making any sense ?

rhektor:
Is this the description of your paternal grandfather? Is this how you answer questions? Is this all atheism taught you? Can't you be better than this? Oh no!
Now tell me how intelligent an atheist can be when you can not answer a question but avoid a simple question like an Ebola plague. Guy you Sabi dodge gan-an ni keep it up.

My paternal grandpa of the 6th generation died many years ago. I've never meet him, I don't know him. I don't even know his name or have any idea about him.because he died many years ago and my parents and grand parents never told me anything about him.

Jesus on the other hand is said to be alive. That you are comparing a man I admit is dead whom I do not know to Jesus who you claim is alive and feel you are making sense shows how inane your reasoning ability is.

rhektor:
Can you feel how unreasonable you are? Just tell me any ancient historian that wrote something to make think Jesus is fictional or fictitious

The Jesus character in the bible is no different from superman.

tintingz:
No where I said WebMD is not a medic source, I said I don't need more source because you won't find any medic source saying masturbation is not normal.

Nowhere WebMD said masturbation is not normal, it agree it is healthy.

He doesn't read the links he post. He's a yeye self confessed compulsive mastubator.