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felixomor:
That doesn't change what I said.
I hope you dont have cognitive defects?

I don't care about what you said. I just told you what will happen to you after you die. Allah's judgement awaits you on why you refused to accept hos last messenger.

Same reasons people rape virgins believing it will cure them of aids. Same reason people strap bombs on themselves and go on suicide missions believing they will go to paradise and enjoy heavenly virgins.

Those that actually sell the human parts make money from them. A human head is sold for as high as 1 million naira according to some reports others sell it for far less but people by the parts there by making others rich in the process. That act alone will see to it that the business and act continues.

felixomor:
Or maybe you are afraid of the reality that you will account for how you live your life one day, after you die.
Eiya

https://www.masjidma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/unborn-atheists.png

You will account for how you lived your life in Allah's presence and explain to him.why you refused to accept Mohammed his last messenger.

felixomor:
Hehehe. Dullardmama EDIORT

First Show us where they and who made butterflylion to believe as you claim.

Lying Felixmoron.

felixomor:
Nobody is born gay.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/24/born-gay-transgender-lacks-science-evidence/

Nobody is born gay and your evidence for that is a rpaper that isn't peer reviewed which parts of it was disagreed on by the main person that conducted the study which the authors relied upon. Did Felixmoron actually read the link he posted?

From the link:

"However, the authors stress that the lack of scientific evidence does not mean sexual orientation and gender identity are choices".

The author of the paper shows his confusion here by saying this:
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“I’m not suggesting the statement [that gay and transgender people are ‘born that way’] is false,” Dr. Mayer, a biostatistician and epidemiologist, told The Washington Times. “I’m[b] saying there isn’t enough scientific evidence to support the statement.[/b]”

But he was countered by someone else:


Sarah McBride, national press secretary for the Human Rights Campaign, said The New Atlantis report is another instance in which Dr. McHugh espouses “his own personal prejudice against LGBTQ people.”

“His latest essay runs contrary to the overwhelming consensus of the medical community and would crumble if held up to any scrutiny, which is probably why he chose a publication that is not a peer-reviewed scientific journa[/b]l,” Ms. McBride said. “Despite McHugh’s obsession with attacking LGBTQ people, [b]neither he nor his co-author have ever published an actual research article on gender or sexuality in a scientific journal.”

Even the person who the report cites disagrees with some of their claims.

"The report cites several studies by J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University who has studied the concordance rate of sexual orientation in twins extensively".

Mr. Bailey said he agrees and disagrees with various aspects of the Mayer-McHugh report. He said the notion of fluid sexuality is plausible for women, but pointed to his own research demonstrating that sexuality is more fixed in men.

butterflylion:
I guess I did confuse you.

Sorry. You will get there some day.

Confuse ke? I was already there before na hence my laughter.

butterflylion:
Sorry my self seeking of truth showed me more than the stories you claim were "invented". I stopped believing and began "KNOWING ".

John 8:32

And you shall KNOW the truth and the truth shall make you free.

So this to me was not about any stories, it was about today and now IN MY TIME. The word had to be made flesh for me IN MY TIME.

without my time there would be no yesterday.

I hope i did not confuse you

. You feel say you don make sense abi? No be small thing. What ever makes you sleep well at night.

butterflylion:
You seem to be a bit too myopic for your own good.

The words spoken in scripture is applicable to all who fall into the same category for which it was spoken about.

If In Germany they are teaching a group of students chemistry would you say another group of students who need it in Malawi are also not being taught the very same chemistry?

They had zeal without knowledge. They chose to act in zeal but against the laws and ways of God. They had the desire to spread this gospel but had no knowledge.

Proof of what I am saying was when Jesus was to be arrested and Peter cut of the ear of one of the soldiers Jesus quickly reprimanded him by telling him to put away his sword.

Cease from being myopic.

That means this verse also apply to all women because fall into the category.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35
"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints , women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church".

They had the desire to spread the gospel but had no knowledge as you claim and God didn't teach them but stood by and watched them commit mass murder, enslave people, colonize them, all in their quest to spread his word and bring people to him abi? Interesting.

felixomor:
Funny enough the same person was the one who admitted he was indoctrinated into atheism by a white man.

Shut up! Quote exactly where I said that you fool or remain a lying Felixmoron.

felixomor:
Exactly what he does in all arguments.
Nothing more.

Does the 10 years old that you know who owns a car drive an uber?

butterflylion:
Keep singing the remix or is it merix of I was made to believe upandan.

If you were indoctrinated repeatedly first into Christianity and then indoctrinated into atheism by your white Germans it's not my fault that the back and forth indoctrination caused you some trauma which you are still battling with. As for me I was not indoctrinated and neither was I made to believe anything.

Dream it, shout it, sing it, write it, all you want, it would not make it true.

So long as you did not invent the Jesus stories you were only indoctrinated and made to believe in them. Deny all you want but that remains the fact of the matter.

All you have is belief.

butterflylion:
Yes they did all that but are those the instructions of God and manner of living that God gave?

However they had zeal without knowledge

Proverbs 19:2

It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.


Romans 10: 1-4 mark the words


Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.


Self explanatory!

But christianity is what it is today because of them and what they did to make it grow.

Why are you quoting some verse about Israelites and their zealous ways as written in the bible to me na? Were the conquistadors Israelites? Or were the European slave traders and colonizers Israelites?

butterflylion:
Sorry I wasn't made. You who were made to believe and we're indoctrinated into Christianity yet you had the free will to step away and you still shout " I WAS MADE, I WAS MADE TO BELIEVE" upandan.

I don't think you realise how effortlessly you are playing yourself.

Deny all you want but its a fact that you were made to believe. Christianity is a BELIEF system. You did not write any part of the Jesus stories, you were only made to believe them. If you were indoctrinated and made to believe the Mohammed stories or Brahma stories you would have been singing a different tune by now.

butterflylion:
dominion
noun
sovereignty or control.
the territory of a sovereign or government.

Keep on playing yourself.


control
noun
the power to influence or direct people's behaviour or the course of events.

Keep playing yourself


sovereignty
noun
supreme power or authority

Keep playing yourself.

The dominion given to man was total. Man could take life but God Adviced against it by saying love your neighbour as yourself but of course those who reject God also reject his laws. Reminds me of atheists!

If you read my post well you would realise your last statements are simply spoken out of your ignorance.

Keep playing yourself.

That means most of the people that spread christianity reject your God's laws because they didn't love their neighbors as they loved themselves. They forcefully enslaved them, killed many of them, took their lands, dominated them and forcefully convered them, colonized them and on and on. Things that had nothing to do with love. The slave merchants and colonizers brought christianity to us in Africa. Keep playing with yourself.

butterflylion:
Chai.

You keep saying I WAS MADE TO BELIEVE! by who? My slave master?

Sorry I was not indoctrinated. Indoctrination and free will choice do not mix.

You think by saying I was made to believe repeatedly would make you right?

Kontinue!!!

Yes you were made to believe the Jesus stories by people around you. If you were born into an Islamic home Iran and living there you would have been a Shia muslim and believed in the Shia version of Islam and it's stories.

hopefulLandlord:
Muslim heaven is a male teenager's dream

Christian heaven too has nothing to offer, The Bible doesn't say much about what heaven is supposed to be like. Most of the claims about heaven are exaggerations of the Bible. The Bible says the Gates are made of pearl. What are the gates for? Are they made just as an excuse to irritate clams? Are the gates supposed to keep someone out or to keep souls from escaping?

The sales pitch for heaven is that there is only happiness and no sorrow. But it also says that many people's loved ones won't be there. Since they can't feel sorrow about that, are they ecstatic that their loved ones are being tortured forever? Either your memories are removed or your human empathy is removed. Is it really you that is left over once some parts of you have been removed?

If life matters to me now, it will always have mattered to me, even when I am gone. Death cannot change that.

Your best hope is to be locked in a gold cage with your memories of having an actual life being erased just so you can kiss ass for eternity.

Life is pleasant, death is serene. The transition might be troublesome but we all have to go through it. You shouldn't fear death so much. Heaven and hell are imaginary. You should reject the indoctrination. Life is much better that way.

To quote a friend: "Heaven's supposed to be this really great place, right? So how come a third of the angels got pissed off??"



NB, a must read for every atheist

I don't miss believing in a concept of heaven, because I don't want immortality and I have no interest in pursuing it. But I won't deny a sort of bereavement I went through when I put aside belief in an afterlife, simply because I realised I wouldn't be seeing my loved ones again. There was a time when I honestly believed death was not the end and I would get to see my grandmother, among others, whatever comes after. Losing that belief was, in a way, like losing her again. Even though it was at the end of the day an illusion.

Sometimes I think atheists too quickly dismiss theists' hopes for an afterlife as foolishness instead of empathising with how its an actual grief mechanism.

This is deep.

hopefulLandlord:
yeah, because you know gold would still be special even in heaven

. No be small thing.

butterflylion:
Kindly help me count how many times you used the expressions I made bold for you in your comment.

You keep playing yourself.

You must have been a kid even as an adult if anyone would make you believe anything outside your own will.

So in your case YOU WERE MADE TO BELIEVE. No wonder!

Well in my case like I said earlier, I grew some real balls and did my seeking myself without being MADE to believe anything.

Ask the right questions and you would get the right answers..... Even from God especially when you ask with all your heart and sincerely.


My approach and yours are like black is to white obviously.

Regarding my last lost which you did not understand, your comments which I made bold for you show I am on point with that comment.



You must have been kobokorised or a gun put to your head to have MADE YOU BELIEVE!

You were made to believe everything I wrote up there. Your religion is based on BELIEF. What did you seek on your own? Which part of the Jesus story did you witness on your own without anyone making you to believe it? Did you witness Jesus ascending into heaven? Did you witness his virgin birth? Did you witness him tell people that he is the son of God/God? Did you witness him feed the 5000, walk on water, turn water into wine, raise the dead or perform any miracle? Did you witness him being crucified , resurrect or ascend into heaven? Which one did you witness and which story were you indoctrinated with and made to accept?

Everything you believe you were made to do so through indoctrination. You did not witness anything about the stories on your own and your were not provided with any hard and irrefutable evidence before you believed. You were only indoctrinated and made to believe.

butterflylion:
You just played yourself again

This your kryptonite strong men.

Thank you for once again confirming the worldwide repulsive atrocities of 100 years of atheistic control.

God did not have to interfere Afterall he already gave man DOMINION over the earth to subdue it. God keeps his word.

You are the one that actually played yourself.

So dominating the earth includes killing millions of people ? Why then do you pray to your God for protection and thank him for providence in general?

[This world is a place of tests and preparations and he gave us guidelines on how to pass the tests and prepare. But those who reject such guidelines such as atheists do would show their rejection by commiting mass genocide of people due to their hatred for God and all he stands for.

Who would you then blame? God or his rejection?

So Moses rejected God because he was a mass murderer. What about christian Roman emperors that went about killing many people and forcefully converting them to christianity? According to you they also showed their rejection of God abi? The conquistadors and Americans that killed 10s of millions of the native Americans while spreading Christianity to them also rejected the ways of your God according to you abi? The slave traders and colonizers that enslaved Africans and forcefully and systematically converted them to christianity while killing millions of them in the process also rejected this God of yours abi? Well done , keep playing with yourself.

butterflylion:
Stop projecting your failures on others. I know you think everyone was indoctrinated like you.

Nah men! Some of us actually grew up, grew balls and made decisions of our own regardless of what we saw or met.

Pls tell me which decision did you make on your own. Did yoo make any decision about Jesus being born by a Virgin or were you indoctrinated and made to believe the story the story? Did you make any decision about Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead or were you indoctrinated and made to believe the story? Did you make any decision about Jesus healing any sick person or were you indoctrinated and made to believe the story? Did you make any decision on Jesus claim to be the son of God or were you indoctrinated and made to believe the story? Did you make any decision about Jesus being crucified for crimes he did not commit or were you indoctrinated and made to believe in the story? Did you make any decision about Jesus raising and ascendinh into heaven or were you indoctrinated and made to believe in the story? Which one did you decide personally for your sef and with one were you indoctrinated with and made to accept the story? Have you ever meet any Jesus or were you indoctrinated and made to accept stories, ideas and beliefs about him?

I laugh in nihilism!

I do not believe in whom you call a "dead hippie" whom you claim died over 2000 years ago yet you still say he does not exist. I do however "know " he rose again for my sake. Same way my own father may take a bullet for me he chose to take bullets for me and for that I am eternally grateful.

You do not know anything. You only believe that a story told about a man that lived and died 2000 years ago rose from the dead for your sake. You've never meet any Jesus so you can not know anything aabout any Jesus. If I ask you to describe how Jesus looks like based on your claims of knowing a thing or two about him you will begin to cry baa baaa meh meh. You don't know anything you only believe in stories you were indoctrinated with. Many music's also believe that Mohammed ascended into heaven on the back of a winged beast from the masjid Alaqsar.

I know you were a follow follow Christian in your days and not a berean! So do not blame anyone for your eventual loss of direction.

Person wey dey waka for road and dey see the sign boards clearly and can read them no dey miss road. It's not like someone who is always looking down at others feet and following their steps without knowing if the person they are following can read or can even see.

Were you drunk before you typed this because I really don't know what to make of it.

butterflylion:
Yet with all the atrocities you claim Christians have carried out, just 100 years of "permitted" atheist communism reign brought about over 200million murders of the religious. A figure that dwarfs the atrocities of Christians by a ratio of 200 : 1 despite the fact that Christianity has been around for milleniums more.

Cry me a Noah' s flood. And your God stood by and watched as athiest were slaughtering his alleged beloved creations abi? What a mighty God you people really serve. He even watched as Hilter and his people slaughtered over 6 million of his "Chosen ones" without being able to do anything.

chemystery:
Lol, it is better I wail what you believe in so you don't start asking me for proof of what I wailed. I want to wail Noah's flood. For now, I believe in it .
All I'm waiting for is the START command.

Meanwhile, I never mentioned anywhere to you I believed in big bang so ask me first before you start making false assumptions.

I tire oo. Just because he was indoctrinated and made to believe the baseless assumption that some dead Jewish hippie that died over 2000 years ago created the universe every body must believe in one assumption or the other. I laugh in Hebrew.

Bolaji21:
I sympathize with you. But I need to remind you that christians are the most persecuted in every part of the world since the death of christ.

Its not true. Christians have persecuted many people all over the world. Christianity has been the religion of dome of the biggest empires in he world. Empires that enslaved and colonized others, alot of the religion was spread through conquest, so what exactly are you crying about?

butterflylion:
Of course only you would call it trash o wise one.

Your atheism is eating you up. So much hot anger for whatever does not agree with your idea of atheism remains your kryptonite.

My words are objectively spoken so I do not expect it to make sense to a subjective being which you are as an atheist.

Why are you getting all emotional on me na? I've told you where to go if you want to vent out emotionally. Adding the word objective to your hot pile of thrash wouldn't stop it from being a hot pile of thrash. As the saying goes: You can put a lipstick on a pig but it still doesn't change it from being a pig.

butterflylion:
Dalaman you will not force me to stoop to name calling today because I know is what you would enjoy.

. Are you on break today?

butterflylion:
Wrong! Go and read on the history of science and you will see that religion actually birthed science and development as you know it.

Nobody tells you, you will burn for not doing what God wants. They give you the truth and the options and you choose whichever you feel you want. Your choices bring about your reward.

Afterall will the same person pick you up and toss you into some "imaginary fire"?

You also say the Bible stories are lies so if they are lies then the characters also did not exist. The locations did not exist. The events surrounding such stories did not also exist wouldn't you say so?

If you say the Bible stories are composed of impossibilities would you say it's an impossibility for the universe to spring up from nothing to something?

One who is God must have those characteristics otherwise he isn't God. You are human and your characteristics confirm you to be human and you cannot use your characteristics to equate those of a God.

In a nutshell all you just spoke about is simply your limitations talking.

What is this pile of hot thrash? But seriously did you truly believe you made any sense with this pile of hot thrash? Na wah ooo.

butterflylion:
Your very first words and the application of the word " ALSO" shows your confirmation of my words. The rest which you wrote was just a very sad attempt to clean an already ingrained filth below the surface of a plate by vigorously trying to clean the surface.

Your attempt at laundering the image of atheism failed right from your very first words which I made bold.

Thank you for the affirmation!

You have no sense at all. The difference btw me and you is that I can agree that some atheist acted destructively because they were athiestand condemn them for tha. You on the other hand will lie, spin and twist the reality that your own religious book is filled with violence and even promotes mass murderers and child rapist that arw not different from the atheist you love to cite as the best of men and prophets in the eyes of your God.

butterflylion:
Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.

Religion has also made people act destructively. Nihilism isn't the only thing that makes people to be destructive religion equally makes people to ne destructive. Read your bible and see how religion and God specifically called for the destruction of others on religious ground or because the worship other Gods. Even the religious that claim that life has a purpose are equally destructive just like the nihilist that believes live has no meaning. One of the problems facing the world today is radical Islamic terrorism and it is a religious based problem propagated by people that believe that life has a purpose but are also very destructive.

And you wonder why we have atheists who believe that life is meaningless and say things like "life holds no purpose, we simply live and die so I see no reason to love or hate or condemn anything". A lot of atheists especially the militant ones believe man is just a chemical mix so nothing matters. We kill because we must and we do all other vices because we must. Afterall to them it's a part of the evolutionary process of the strong outliving the weak.

Just the way many theist also believe and kill for their God. Read the bible most of the Prophets and best people of God were mass murderers who killed and decimated cities and town purely for religious reasons. There is no difference btw Moses and Moa or Joshua and Pol Pot. All were mass murderers and while I can openly condemn and always condenm people like Police Pot and the rest you on the other hand can not condemn a mass murderer like Moses because you believe he acted on some Godly injunction. So many muslims are killing people today because they believe God told them to do that. Those that believe life has meaning and those that beieve life has no meaning have all shown tendencies to kill at same level. The US is the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon in a war that killed uncountable people but those that dropped the bomb and their comanders were all theist that believe that life has meaning. Most of the Nazi soldiers were even christians but they ended up killing 6 million Jews.

Dalaman spoke about intolerance being shown towards atheists in Nigeria and USA but most likely wouldn't mention the intolerance shown towards those over 200 million religious who atheistic communism murdered due to their intolerance.

A lot of those killings weren't done in the name of atheism but but for many other reasons. Moa for example starved like 20 milion people for political reasons. Those guys killed anybody that stood in their way regardless of religious status they killed many athiest as well. I condemn them and their acts totally, but that doesn't mean that religion has not enticed people or made them to fight wars. As I said if you read some religious books like bible and koran you will see where people are told and ordered to fight specifically for religion.

Over the years militant and nihilistic atheists have given the entire atheist population a terrible PR image and rather than they looking inward to fix their own self made problems they rather shift the blame on religion and get all vocal and insulting on the religious yet they speak of intolerance when they receive same back. Afterall according to majek fashek " you don't expect to sow rice and reap cassava" "what so ever I and I Soweth in this world, so shall we reap".

Just the same way that militant and radical religionists have given religions bad names and cry and wail.when given a state of their own medicine.

Bolaji21:
Your topic is a fallacy of overgeneralization. It's accurate to say SOME Christians prefer not to argue with an atheist. But that your topic is an inaccurate bold statement. The fact that your friend dodged your attempt to engage in argument doesn't mean that's what every Christian will do.

In my own experience, atheists are afraid (or maybe jealous) of Christians that know what they're doing. An average atheist will resort to mockery or sarcasm when he encounters such Christian. Atheism in Nigeria only thrive in anonymous forums like nairaland. Some self-acclaimed atheist here still goto church.

That's because Nigerians are not matured to deal with atheist. Even in developed and advanced countries like the USA atheist are hated and discriminated up on.

vaxx:
read this report.

NovemberAmerican Psychologist(Vol. 56, No. 11)

Just show the part of the report that says gays are mentally ill.

Religious people despise atheist for sure, they don't fear them.

vaxx:
I just provided an evidence that contradict it backing it with reasons. am a man of proof.

Is there any scientific study that show that gays are mentally ill?