₦airaland Forum

Emmytes:
Don't question God. He works in mysterious ways and his ways are not the ways of men. It's all part of the grand plan.

Mariangeles:
So...why don't you mention all your kinds so y'all can gather as usual and gossip about GOD...

Mariangeles:
You know...the day of the week your kind create silly topics just so you can remain relevant

Mariangeles:
It's not Sunday... just in case you don't know

frank317:
Only God reserves the right to hate hia enemiea ans burn them forever... he is more like do as i say dont do as i do

butterflyl1on:
Would you have known my language if I did not tell you? Would you know Adams language is he does not tell you? Would I know your language if you did not tell me?

I am done.

butterflyl1on:
I repeat, verbal isn't always vocal and vocal isn't always verbal. I have advised you to read and research but you seem stuck in the 19th century.

I will leave you to it.

butterflyl1on:
This is you speaking still with the mindset that conversation can only be Conversation if it is complicated.

Mishka the husky has been taught to say, I love you, I am hungry etc and says them.

What you give him to eat when he says I am is hungry is not his concern. What he knows is that he has communicated with you and you have responded. That is conversation

butterflyl1on:
It's so sad to see how proudly ignorant you have become.

Vocal isn't always verbal and verbal isn't always vocal.

You can do your research. I read wide. Something you obviously never do and only focus on the bible which you detest.

butterflyl1on:
Sorry I have to break my word because your nonsense is killing me.

So now conversation can only be Conversation if it is COMPLICATED? wow.

I suppose your kids who do not understand or use big words like antidisestablishmentarianism or floccinaucinihilipilification etc must not then be having a conversation with you when they say "daddy see" or "I want mummy".

Everybody is taught what and how to speak. Until you get this you will keep making an ignoramus of yourself.

Conversations are not complicated. It's simply, speak and the other understands. The same words you can deliberately make complicated just to pass a message to come whom you see as also complicated, someone else can pass the same message in a very simple way and with simple words to another.

Dalaman wake up and stop being proud of your notorious illogicalities.

butterflyl1on:

It does not. But trust some to want to "force" it to be via physical speech. You are a traditionalist vaxx I am sure sometimes things are communicated to you via revelations an dreams. Or you even find yourself holding conversations in your dream.

butterflyl1on:
This will be my last response to you over this issue as I cannot afford to be exposed any further to your illogicalities..

The problem you are having (as always) is with the word CONVERSATION.

Here are videos of people conversing with robots


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pKczGG19uo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhVu2hxm07E


Robots simply give our what they have been taught (programmed) to do.

Animals do same.

If talking with a robot is called A CONVERSATION even when it is programmed, then what do you think talking with a dog or a parrot is called? Remember the dog or parrot is also programmed through teaching.

So what is it called? A monologue?

I am done.

butterflyl1on:
What language is spoken in your village? Is there a place with no language? Who taught your ancestors the language they spoke?

butterflyl1on:
More of your illogical award winning nonsense. *facepalm*

A conversation is not carried out due to duration but a conversation can be a singular sentence or question or even word.

Eg. Hungry? (question)
Answer : yes

That is conversation.

Or

Happy? (question)
Answer: perhaps

That is conversation.

I think I have had enough of your illogicalities for one day. Thanks for the time.

butterflyl1on:
Let me ignore the rest of your illogical rambling and focus on the first comment.

You say conversation is not just about words right?

You say we express our thoughts and feelings and ideas right? How?

Is it not through words? Facial expressions often do not count which is why we have punctuation, exclamation, coma and so on in language.

Is it not through words we express our thoughts, feelings or ideas?

When you teach a dog that food follows such words as "I am hungry" it has learnt it and like mishka the husky who has been taught how to say "I am hungry"he now knows that he can only say this when he is hungry as food would follow.

If that isn't intelligent conversation then I wonder what is.

expression
noun
the action of making known one's thoughts or feelings.
a look on someone's face that conveys a particular emotion.

Again I ask you, how do we EXPRESS our thoughts or feelings?

How do you know animals are angry, happy, sad? Again let me use dogs. Would you say they have no expression as a whole? And since a dog has been taught to say words (mishka the husky) what else is left?

butterflyl1on:
Now you are not dragging about name given you are now shifting to language spoken? How does the language alter the fact that a name was given?

In your village are eagles called eagles in your local dialect? What manner of idiocy do you like pushing forward?


In my dialect, which is yoruba animals have their own man given names like

Alligator -Ahọnrihọn
Pig -Ẹlẹdẹ
Vulture -Igun, Gunnugun, Gurugu, Akala
Hawks – Asa
Palm Bird -Ologiri
Sparrow -Ologoṣẹ
Peacock -Ọkin
Squirrel -Ọkẹrẹ
Rabbit -Ehoro
crickets -Okinrin and so on.

Our original language was not English. English does not belong to Africa, same way Yoruba does not belong to America. However, regardless of the language forms, man still names them as he pleases. You cannot translate Ọkẹrẹ (squirrel) to mean squirrel in english BUT YOU KNOW IT IS SQUIRREL. you can not translate Ehoro (rabbit) to mean rabbit in English BUT YOU KNOW IT IS RABBIT.

what language did we have before in my zone was it not Yoruba before English came? Who taught the Yoruba speaking tribe the names to call these animals? How did they know what to call whichever one?

Do you reason at all?

Same is applicable ALL OVER THE WORLD REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN.

In Hindi an ant is called chentee, a bear is called bhaloo, a butterfly is called titalee etc why do they also have their own animal name versions?

Please dalaman stop throwing these your illogicalities around like an award. I am tired of seeing them

butterflyl1on:
SMH how does one deal with this level of ignorance daily?

You are mentioning their names and still asking me what names did Adam give them?

LMAO

I guess DOG is not name. Let me use dog as an example. Dogs at some point were said to have come from wolves (so says science) so this means that the first "dog " was named dog by man so as to differentiate it from wolves.

Or were you thinking a name is something like Charles, akin, Gilbert and so on?

No wonder you argue with so much ignorance.

Another example. When man makes a discovery of a new life form or insect or virus or bacteria strain THEY NAME IT!

E. G Salmonella enterica serotype Typhi IS A NAME FOR TYPHOID IN THE STOMACH. Man named it so. Ordinarily it was just something very tiny swimming around in the intestinal walls but naming it gave it a class disctinction which is what names do. So stop thinking names like Charles or uche or dalaman were given.

Chai I Don die over this level of ignorance.

Genesis 2: 19 - 20




That scripture says he gave names to the ANIMALS, BIRDS AND LIVESTOCK. it did not say he gave names to the elephant, the lion the eagle the goat.

They had NO IDENTITY before. He gave them identity by such names as elephant, goat, eagle, etc.

butterflyl1on:
Is that not conversation?

When you began school as a child dalaman your teacher would say things like A + M is AM, B +A + G is BAG and would ask you to repeat it and you would do so repeatedly. Over time they increased the words and you began making sentences with them. Were you not also taught speech and sentences for sake of conversation as a child? Are you not today REPEATING what you learnt or were taught?

Humans too have limitations in speech. We also cannot speak the language of animals well enough no matter how hard we try. In the human speech angle we also have humans with human speech defects so just like animals they struggle to make words or be coherent.

If you tell a baby born today to give you advice on the Fulani herdsmen problem what do you think the baby would tell you?

But ask this baby again 10 years later AFTER HE MUST HAVE BEEN TAUGHT AND OBSERVED.

same thing with animals. No animal knows what you are saying until you teach and they observe then to their ability they would respond INTELLIGENTLY to what you say which you have already taught them.

butterflyl1on:
Well I say you are ignorant.

So animals lack understanding yet when you tell a dog to sit, he does. A dog can understand as much as 165 words. No dog can understand words except when taught and also by observations.

No human can understand what words mean without also being taught or by observation.

Humans also repeat the words they have also been taught or were you born with the ability to speak and understand words right from the moment you popped out?

What were you first words to the midwife or Doctor Who brought you out of your mother dalaman ? Was it liar liar? Or was it Akuya?

butterflyl1on:
LMAO here he comes again typing without thinking

Smh

Every man born today is an Adam in his own right since we all decended from him. No animal is named except by man. No animal is born with a name tag. Man CHOOSES his name for him.

We are Adam in the flesh and as we discover more animals we name them which by extension is still the fulfilment of the instructions given to Adam by God in the Garden

This is simple enough. I am sure that by deliberately bringing the explanation DOWN to your level it is now better understood.

butterflyl1on:
Was it God who named the animals?

butterflyl1on:
Before words are produced, the brain calculates how wide or how thin the vocal cords need to be and how lightly or firmly the tongue touches the vocal cord.

You said these animals are not smart enough yet they are smart enough to say words you consider sophisticated.

Be they repeating Strings of words, those words are formed into sentences like

I love you

Are you working

You are bothering me

I am well thank you, how about you?

I am hungry

Etc

These are not just words anymore but a speech pattern. Sophisticated you say but they are doing it and you better believe it too.

No animal is supposed to [b]even form a single word of human speech but here we have them excelling in them and even being able to hold Conversations (although taught) [/b]after all even humans are taught language and speech and what to say right from childhood. If animals are taught, so were humans.

1Sharon:
It makes sense to believe Adam and Eve were black

butterflyl1on:
Please I do not have the time to begin another round of ignorant banter with people who know nothing about scripture as the atheist they are yet want to argue it out like they are genuinely curious to know about it positively.

Sin brings condemnation and does not mean there was no pain. Eden was not heaven because it was a physical place with physical animals and physical people.

All the sensory organs were in man so he could feel, taste, hear, smell, etc.

The Bible talks about no weeping or sorrow in heaven with regards to no more death and no more sadness. However since heaven is a spiritual place then of course there would be no pain there as God deemed fit. But there would be pleasure and joy and laughter.

Adam was to take care of the garden and tend to the animals, how would he be able to perfectly carry out this role without even the smallest degree of pain as a sensation but not necessarily a "painful" pain.

butterflyl1on:
Why not ask the grass to get a stop watch too where they recorded the time.

butterflyl1on:
And you forget this



But this lion for one hour daily would feast on luscious green grass along with grain and eggs. Why did it not die?