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danvon:
Some people can clearly live without it.

Give an example of a human society that you know that can live without any form or type of morality.

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rekinomtla:
Then you should understand why I find it ironic when atheists criticize anyone or anything on moral grounds.

Still doesn't stop morality from being a human invention.

They as a society developed parts of that system, the parts exclusive to their culture. The moral rules common among mankind is known by intuition.

Good, you just admitted that they developed part of the system. What are the moral rules that are common among mankind that are known by intuition 2000 years ago.

bingbagbo:
Today, people are blaspheming their creator,... If only they had the least idea about who the creator really is and the consequences thereof

Allow the creator to tell people who he is and the punishment they stand to face for blasphemy. Why are you the one telling people? Let your God speak and act for itself.

rekinomtla:
"Morality is an human invention"

So a soceity that accepts pedophilia, cannibalism and human sacrifice is not morally inferior to one that doesn't?

Still doesn't stop morality from being a human invention.

Who invented the system of morality our ancestors in Nigeria were abiding by 2000 years ago before the coming of the Europeans and the Arabs?

At least people know him and he makes them laugh. Most people don't even know the names of the senators representing them in the national assembly.

He speaks the truth to the government, even if it's a facade , we at least see him acting. Other are just sleeping and continue to remain silent.

If Yahweh could not defeat ancient normadic people because the had iron chariot, na mordern people wey get nuclear weapons him wan defeat? Yahweh should not bring himself to a gun battle with his pocket knife oo. He'll be dealt with mercilessly.

Gungnir:
There is no way Christianity is unheard of or will be unheard of Meaning eventually it will get to everyone...

Understand and comprehend before you start jumping into conclusions...


Oh i see you an atheist. Imagine saying God is a title? Smh...

Christianity is unheard of in many parts of the world. Stop assuming. God is a tittle and not a name.

Emmytes:
So this begs the question, what happens to these millions of people and may never get to hear about JC till they die? Would they be punished for what they know nothing about ?!?

Those that speak on behalf of their God have already told you. One said they will be punished the other said they won't be punished.

Gungnir:
The ones before Christ came are not subjected to such,it's the one after Christ came that are subjected to such.

Before Christ, it was by the Laws laid down and offering of sacrifices to God that it all operated.

Now to.those that are yet to hear of Christ, it is already said that the earth will not come to end until everyone has heard of Christ/gospel before the earth will come to end. There is no way Christianity is unheard of or will be unheard of, it is one of the most popular religion in the world. It is tied to one of the most dominant monarchy in the world, that is the British monarch. It is also tied to the most strongest country and super power in the world that is America. It also has its name of its supreme being on the back of the most popular international currency, that is most widely used for foreign exchange, that is the dollar.

It also stands very symbolic at the Vatican, St Peter's the Basilica. Christianity is everywhere...

Please stop throwing empty assumptions around.

Christianity is not know to millions of people world wide.

What is the name of the Supreme being written on the dollar? God is NOT a name for a supreme but a tittle.

Go to India, there are many people that have never heard the word Jesus living in India. I have personally met some of them. In fact some years ago CBN the christian broadcasting Network aired a program about a guy that went to South Korea and meet many people that have never heared the word Jesus in their lives. Go to Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, China, Buthan, North Korea, Thailand etc you'll see hundreds of millions that have never heard the word Jesus in their lives. Move around and stop living on assumptions

danvon:
Evil was created by conmen to make people behave in order of the leaders they called it 'religion' or are you not atheist again

According to YOU and YOUR stupidity evil was created by conmen to make people behave.

danvon:
. Wrong!! wrong!! wrong!! According to Atheist there's no such thing as evil

According to YOU and YOUR stupidity atheist believe there is no such thing as evil.

butterflyl1on:
Shut up already. Atheists claim not to believe in God, Satan, Heaven, Hell, Curses, and everything spiritual so why get pissed when such that you claim does not exist are spoken at you?

It either you all are unanimously confused or you are indeed foòls.

Why won't he get pissed when someone wishes him bad? I don't have to believe in your silly mythical and fictional beliefs but I will feel bad when you wish me evil.

Remember when Felixmoron asked me to insult Yahweh and see if Yahweh won't harm me. He said I should insult Yahweh and tell him to kill me and see what will happen.

I do not believe in Yahweh but I felt angry that someone will use his stupid superstitious belief to wish me death. I quickly insulted Yahweh for all to see here and nothing happened as usual(he's not the first christian to throw that useless challenge my way). I insulted Yahweh not because he exist but to disabuse him of that stupidity.

You guys hide behind your imaginary God to throw you stupid and evil wish on others. Let my enemies die by fire, may God consume all my enemies, may God shame my enemies bla bla bla. My all those that disbelief never know peace, bla bla bla always baaing and meehing while projecting your evil wish on others while hiding behind an imaginary God that can not even say hi. You always have to say and do everything for it. Ridiculous fools.

butterflyl1on:
I quite agree at the words in bold. Atheists are like baskets with MANY BIG HOLES in them. Always asking but never being able to retain or give out in return as all they ever receive never gets retained.

Ogbeni, you can't give what you don't have. An alleged all powerful and living God loves someone endlessly as you claim and it is you that is telling the person. Can't you see how delusional you are?

frank317:
hehehe... we all go through pain at a time in our lives.. i will not deny having lost a loved one or gone through a tough ordeal. what I dont understand is why you think any pain I must have gone through has anything to do with your imaginary God. Is ur God synonymous with pain? Well, what ever pain i went through in the past, i dont think it has anything to do with ur nonexistent God.
Your God does not exist and is not capable of stopping or increasing my pain or joy.

He claims his God has never stopped loving you, yet he is the one telling you about it.

Many of the foolish things this people say always.

butterflyl1on:
God bless you and I pray you heal soon and rediscover this God who never stopped loving you despite all your hate toward him and all your impudence.

So there is this God that has NEVER stopped loving him, YET you are the one telling him? Just listen to yourself. If the is a God that loves him endlessly, then why are you the one telling him? Why not allow the said God to tell him, himself? Can your God do anything on it's own? Is it alive? Why is it depending on you to do EVERYTHING FOR IT?

Enough of your empty platitudes abeg. Alow your God that you claim has never stopped loving him to tell him that himself and express the said love himself. Stop killing yourself and doing things on behalf of an alleged God that is Almighty, can do all things and created all things. Let your God do things by itself, if it is alive, real and not imaginary.

Stop pouring water into a basket with many big holes, it will never be full.

SQred:
Society isn't a monolithic entity. There are lots of societies and they tend to have differing moral principles. Saying you derive your morality from society doesn't make any sense because you aren't specific on which society you are referring to.

So again, on what basis do differentiate right from wrong?

Society isn't monolithic that is why morality differs from society to society. A person raised and living in Saudi Arabia gets his morality from the Saudi society and his morality is different from a person who is raised and living in Sweden.

The same applies to a person raised and living in Iran to a person raised and living in US or China.

Everybody gets his or her morality from their various societies.

Athiest get their morality from where everyone gets his or her morality from which is the society.

butterflyl1on:
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Why would you even consider that the universe can have one, two or three or many creators? Let's set aside the absence of any clear direct evidence for this. What I want to know is why you would even have such a notion about the universe probably have a creator or creators and are simply seeking evidence for or against your already existing notion. Why?

Because the universe looks like something that could have being a creation of something or somethings.

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If you do not have thought of what God should be why then do you need a definition from me? Surely my definition wouldn't make any sense to you since you say you have no thoughts of what God should be.

So I am giving you a blank slate now to simply imagine what a God should be like and if it satisfies you, then you can go ahead and answer your own question.

You asked me if God exist. What is God? What is your understanding and definition of God?

butterflyl1on:
You don't know. But do you believe in this possibility?

The universe can have one, two, three or many creators. It's a possible. But in the absence of any clea ad direct evidence of the creators, I'll simply say that I don't know.


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I am actually being very plain and not playing games. If you are asking me for a definition and an explanation of what God is in a clear concise manner this simply means you have your own view or definition of who or what you think God is or SHOULD BE. So I asked you to feel free to define or explain him in your own way and then answer your own question using your own definition and explanation. This is fair enough isn't it?

Its not fair. You asked if I believe in God and I asked you to explain what God is in clear terms so that I low exactly what you are talking about. I do NOT have thoughts of what God should be that is why I said you should define and explain what God is s the we know exactly what you are talking about.

butterflyl1on:
How so?

Does the universe have a designer or group of designers? I don't know. We've not been able to detect them as humans. So I don't know.



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Your answer suggests that you have an expectation of what you think this God should be or should be defined as for you. So you define this God and answer for yourself.

You'll never stop playing yiur games. You asked me if God exist and I told you to define and explain what God is in a clear and concise way so that we know exactly what you are talking about.




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butterflyl1on:
I asked 3 separate questions why answer just one?

Let me post them again so you would answer properly.

DOES A DESIGNER OF THE UNIVERSE EXIST?

I don't know.

DOES GOD EXIST?

Give the simplest and most detailed definition of God so that we know exactly what we are talking about.

DOES YAHWEH EXIST?

NO.

butterflyl1on:
DOES YAHWEH EXIST?

No.

butterflyl1on:
Who are persecuting atheists?

Which imaginary God is persecuting anybody?

butterflyl1on:
And that translates to ON HIS BEHALF?

you are a shame to your educational system and whatever educational background you possess.

Are you Jesus? Why throw tirades when Jesus is insulted? You do everything for Jesus on his behalf. You speak to people on his behalf by telling people about him, how he allegedly operates, what he wants, how he wants it, and things people need to do to get to know him. Just yesterday you were busy telling us how he does certain things. You do all these things always even when it is alleged that it is Jesus that wants to be in a personal relationship with people and not you. But everday you are all over the place doing everything for this Jesus and never allowin him to do anything for itself after alleging that he is alive and can do all things . You speak for Jesus, throw tirades on his behalf when he is insulted and on and on. When will you allow Jesus to do anything by himself? Isn't he no longer alive?

butterflyl1on:
Wow you no longer have the ability to know a lie when you see one

So lying has eaten deep into you like this? You are the one lying and claiming I am.

First you said I made a declaration and when you realised that the declaration you claimed was you drawing your own inference from a comment I made and not that I actually said what you claimed you now switched it to I AM DOING IT and no longer that I actually declared it.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not have any shame left in you. When you lie you do it so effortlessly that you deserve a spot in the Guinness world records book as the most effortless liar.

Ogbeni where is the comment? Where did I say that an imaginary God is persecuting anybody? Show it or admit that you lied .

danvon:
I have seen the hypocrisy of many atheist today I stand by what I said earlier practice what you believe hopefullandlord I have doubted your atheism ever since you denied the evolution mythology

Many christians believe in evolution. In fact the Pope believes in evolution.

butterflyl1on:
Olodo

So now I am doing it and no longer that I declared it? Chai

You said I declared it and I said show me where and you posted a comment where you made that inference from as your evidence without even being able to know that you are simply projecting your own inference and not my words at me as your truth and now you have shifted from declaration to doing?

In fact even kiddie television in black and white you had no access to not to even mention night classes.

Ogbeni why are you throwing tirades because Jesus was insulted? Are you Jesus? When will you allow Jesus to do anything by himself? Is he no longer alive?

You declared that calling Jesus a Dog will get someone the tirades he deserves and some.

butterflyl1on:
How are Christians persecuting atheists? Stop trying to hide your shameless self. State your claim with your evidence or for the second time tonight be known as the liar you are.

After caught lying you are now shouting liar, liar up and down as if it means anything. WheRe did I say any Imaginary God is persecuting anybody? Where is the comment?

butterflyl1on:
Do you know what the term ON HIS BEHALF MEANS? and do you have anywhere on that post where I said anything close to the term ON HIS BEHALF?

In fact I now believe that even night school you did not go.

You don't have to say it. You are doing it. Why throw tirades when Jesus is insulted? Are you Jesus? Why not allow Jesus throw the tirades by himself? Isn't he alive anymore?

butterflyl1on:
What are the persecutions Christians are putting atheists through? Or you cannot say them again after claiming Christians are doing so?

List them out let's have fun with them. Since you claim my comment is me speaking for God then it's only logical to also say that Christians who are persecuting you (as you claimed) are doing so for God or better yet, it is God doing so through them. So list the persecutions.

Ogbeni, where did I say an imaginary God is persecution anybody? That is what you are to show, did you make it up as usual?

butterflyl1on:
I guess you at least went to night school



How does your claim tally with your post. You made an inference from a post I made and claimed that was what I said when the comment you claim I said that in is saying something different. Are you sure you are not high on something cheap?

Is your psychosis escalating?

What is the post saying? You happily stated that calling Jesus a dog will keep getting him the tirades he deserves and some. You get angry when Jesus is insulted and you throw tirades on his behalf. Are you Jesus? Why are you getting angry and throwing tirades when Jesus is insulted? When will you allow Jesus do anything for himself? Is he not alive and all powerful anymore? Why is a weakling like you that is suffering from mental illness throwing tirades at people on his behalf?