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butterflyl1on:
It remains my problem alone you say? It hurts me you say?

How can it hurt me yet you are the one lamenting and angry?

Of course it hurts you that is why you are projecting your pains, sorrow and misery of holding onto the mythical writings of others and making them your God on others that reject it and mock it. Do you have any God apart from the unknown writers of the bible and their obvious mythology and fiction? No you don't. The writer of the bible are your God and as such you have to throw their mythical writings always at others and hold onto it even when you know it disagrees with the reality you see around you. It hurts deeply and the only way to feel happy about it is to assume and project that those that challenge and mock it are also in pains like you are.

butterflyl1on:
So the scriptures were right after all. The Bible is obviously correct and you are not. Carnivores especially lions can eat herbs and will not die.

So the bible is correct right? Let's take that and show me how correct the bible is.

So accordingto the bible lions were originally created to eat herbs and plants as food. What happened and at what time did they suddenly change and started eating flesh? When did their dentation change to accomoadate a cannivourours lifestyle?

Can a lion live ONLY on grass? Why do lions starve to death when there is no prey even though there are abundant grass? At what time in history did lions stop eating grass and started eating flesh?

You must show that the bible is correct by providing this answers, since you know something about the reality of lions that we don't because the bible said so. So go ahead we are waiting.

butterflyl1on:
You rant and attempt to provoke a hostile response from me but I will not fall for that.

Hate the scriptures all you want. Imagine it to be unreal all you want, that would not mean it is not real. Your very heady position against it as an atheist cannot vaporise it no matter how hard you try.

Daily people have experiences connected to it and receive joy (something a lot of you atheists are obviously lacking).

In all the comments I read here from atheists all I see is hate, pain, sorrow, deep misery as they try to project their sorrow and misery on everyone else and also on a God they already decided does not exist yet cannot stop talking about and cannot stop hating.

I have made my comment to those I deemed fit and you are simply a troll to be ignored. Enjoy!

The scriptures is just like any other man made book. It has so many lies it it. Nothing shows the bible to be false and Jesus a liar than the promise to those of you that believe in him to have the ability to do greater things than him. That includes YOU. You inability to do any of the incredible things written about Jesus shows that your belief is false and that Jesus was a liar, remember it was a PROMISE he made to those of you that believe. You can keep making things about me by using emotional outburst about me being in pains, sorrow, deep misery etc. It won't make them true. They are just yiur empty projections. I won't stop challenging your deeply held beliefs in ancient mythology, fiction and folklore. You are here trying to defend the ancient mythical narratives of the Jews that says all humans came from one man and one woman and stories that includes snakes conversing with humans and all and yet you want people not to laugh and mock you for holding unto such ridiculous fictional stories.

The only person in misery, pains and sorrows is you because you have to hold onto obvious mythology and accept the thoughts, ideas and mythical stories written by ancient Jews as true. You get angry because others discard it while you have to hold on to other men and their mythical stories as true. You've made them your God and hold onto every nosense they wrote. I know it hurts you that you have a lower ancient Jews to think and reason for you. Keep wallowing in your pains and delusion. It remains your problem alone.

butterflyl1on:
Darkchild64 I am speechless for you. I don't think you have the mental capacity needed to argue with me. Please the next time you see my moniker looking at a thread you are also on, quietly exit before I comment.

Why isn't his self confessed mentally unstable person talking about mental capacity? You are here trying to defend ancient Jewish mythology, fiction and folklore and you are still talking about mental capacity needed to argue. What mental capacity is needed when talking about fictional mythology and folklore?

butterflyl1on:
How can a grown man be telling me that since a parrot tends to speak (even though it repeats what it hears, it still does so by speaking) that a fellow animal like a snake could not possible be able to speak as well and be able to use this to converse with a human as a parrot would.

A snake can NOT speak, it is impossible just the same way that a human being can not fly like a bird from point A to point B. It is impossible for a snake to talk. Provide a snake talking and having a conversation or shut up. Snakes ONLY talk in book of mythology, fiction and folklore. In such books sbakes not only talk but converse with humans, donkeys also converse with humans, a human being lives inside a big fish for 3 days, stars fight along side humans in wars, the sun stands still so that people can go on their genocidal killings, a flood covered the whole earth like 4500 years ago and the whole of humanity had to start afresh from the family of a about 8 people, a man walks on water, turns water into wine, died and resurrected from the dead, heals people at will, resurrects another dead man from the dead, walk on water, PROMISED those that believe in him the ability to do GREATER THINGS than him if only they believe in him.

There is nothing that shows that christianity is a LIE and the Jesus is a LIAR, like the failure of that promise. . All these things ONLY happen in the book of mythology and fiction and and in reality.

butterflyl1on:
If all animals inclusive of lions were to eat herbs do you think man would have need to be afraid of lions or carnivores today? Or would you then argue and say that the lions could not have obeyed and lived with Adam in harmony if they ate herbs?

In the videos I posted even as carnivores lions can still be subject to man when they learn to love you.

I know where you argument is headed and I decided to end it quickly for you.

If you know anything about the digestive system of carnivorous animals like Lions you'll know that they can NOT even digest herbs. If they eat herbs they will die. You don't need to go to such great extent to defend obvious mythology of the ancient Jews that KNOW nothing about the reality of the world .

So it is two Jewish people that are responsible for the human race abi? Listen to your self and cry. You are a ridiculous mor0n.

Liberal leftist in Europe are worse than Islamic Fundmentalist in their stupidity. They always refuse to tackle Islam head on. They feel Islam is some distant problem when Islam and it's problem is knocking on their door right in front of them. They keep treating muslims with kid gloves all in the name of political correctness. They don't know that Islam is a virus that needs to be killed and quarantined immediately.

I like the Americans because they have the conservatives / Republicans that will NEVE allow Islam and breeding space in their country. The Europeans and toying with something that will consume them, they don't know.

Muslims need to be treated the way they treat others in their own countries period. Europeans need to treat muslim migrants the same way muslims treat non muslims in Muslim majority countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq etc.

Europeans should NOT tolerate muslims and their madness. Muslims will leave their usless war ravaged lands, come into Europe and be brandishing swords shouting that Islam will take over Europe someday. What utter madness and the foolish Europeans will be looking at them instead of kicking them out immediately.

Percocet:
Funny!
A man of God with armed escorts

While his church members are arming themselves with anointing oils and handkerchiefs

And pictures of their GOs(who are using armed police officers).

frosbel2:
A god who creates hell for the torture of his creatures for all eternity is not worthy of WORSHIP.

Thankfully this god does not exist except in the minds of brainwashed religious folk.

Not that I believe in hell. But assuming hell exist and there is a God that sends people there for unbelief and other things, then such a God doesn't deserve to be worshiped.

Lalasticlala.

Another new twist. Both apostle Sulieman and Miss Otobo are fools. I knew her "confession" was shaddy.

She revealed damming evidence to show that she and the apostle had something going. Even the apostle could not discredit her evidence, instead he went off saying she's cursed bla bla bla. At a time he even denied ever knowing her until she released her bank account details.

Ogbeni, Obiwest Utchaychukwu . Pls shut up! .

kolawoleibukun:
take this picture take console yourself

Is the Apostle ministering to her from the gospel of John? Why is she naked?

Apostle John's wife is just playing her role as the Nigerian wife.

jchioma:
Could it be because man created God in his own image?

Sure.

So guy insults God and God believers starts insulting him and calling him names. Are these people God? Why can't they allow God insult him or fight back himself? I laugh when christians attack muslim for fighting for Allah, because it's exactly the same thing christians do, they speak for Yahweh, fight for Yahweh, get angry for him and insult people on his behalf ( Is there anything Yahweh can do that Allah can't ). They d everything for this God who can't do anything for itself. Christians should allow their God to do something by himself since they claim it's alive.

sharpwriter:
chai....it seems you are talking true o. A babe just cited up there that he rolls with yahoo guys for northern cyprus. God see everything sha. Maybe he has really repented

I know him very well. He's a scammer .

sharpwriter:
Are you serious? Hope no be say e offend yu before?

No, I've meet him in one of my trips to Cyprus back in the days. He was a masters student then in one of the universities there. Years later he became a pastor. He's my friend on facebook.

I know Dr Anyi Obi personally. He's a scammer.

PastorAIO:
It can also mean that he follows a different moral code that does not value the lives of those millions so much.

A moral code can even consider the death of those millions as a Good thing.

For instance I have heard many christians (not all but only the really disturbingly wacky ones) claim that the genocide of Canaan was a Good thing. God's justice in fact.

Hitler's highest goal was to get Lebenstraum for his people. Anything that facilitated this was good, even the killing of millions.

Very good illustration with the genocide of the Caananites. Even Christians consider some kind of genocide as good.

danvon:
I'll just smile at this , typical atheist not surprised sha

You have comprehension problems.

bassette:
Stop being limited in your thinking. That she didn't mention names in public doesnt mean she didn't mention them to him privately. Everyone involved in this matter from day one is known to each party involved so chill..

Its a lie . If this latest is take to court I fully assure you that no name will be divulged. This is just an act. They are all playing a script.

ikennamadu1:
if na u ... u go name the person weh send u... no come here dey form better person....

Why won't I name the person ? The apostle needs to know who his enemies are.

These pastores and their endless acting. Name the politicians that gave her the money. This lady made very damming allegations with strong evidence. Her bank details revelations which the apostle didn't deny is enough evidence to show that here was something going on btw the two of them.

danvon:
okay how about this

Can't you read? Na wah oo.

rekinomtla:
Muhammad.

Good, if Muhammad and his cronies can invent the Sharia moral system that is accepted by close to 2 billion human beings as the best form of morality, then what makes you feel that of your religion isn't also man made? There are over a billion Hindus that subscribe to their own moral system that includes the caste system of living. If humans are the creators of such moral system then what makes you think yours is not a system that was created by humans? How did you know that the moral systems espoused by your religion is divine? Is it because other humans told you?

Objective truths doesn't depend on people's opinions. Hence, if morality is objective then it doesn't require everyone to agree with it truths. People might disagree on moral issues from society to society, but that doesn't show that morality is an invention of humans.

Morality is NOT objective. It varies from society to society and period in history. The fact that every society forms it's system of morality is enough evidence to show that it is man made. If morality is objective then everybody will agree to it, but it is not. Even your bible has many moral codes that are distasteful to both believers and unbelievers alike. When Slavery was the order of the day yiur God was issuing laws in support of slavery. He was even telling the people how to sell their daughters into slavery. When people didn't know what genocide was your God was telling his chosen men to invade other cites and kill everybody including infants and animals. When incest was allowed Abraham the founder of your religion married his sister because at a time in human history invest was prevalentin many societies.
You can not practice half of the OT morality and not be arrested in the mordern world today. Even inside the bible you'll see how morality evolved from the OT to the NT.

Morality is not objective. Is homosexuality objectively wrong? What about polygamy?

While for starters, atheist's claim morality is an invention of humans. So depending on who you are and where you from, if racism is accepted, it's morally fine to be a racist in that society.

But if your from a society that condemns it, it's morally wrong there. Hence being a racist is neither objectively immoral or moral. It just depends on which moral system you were born in. With each society inventing its moral codes.

Racism is wrong only because our morality has evolved so much to the extent that we see it as wrong today. 300 years ago in America and Europe no body thought it was wrong. The people actually thought it was wrong to equate blacks to whites. I repeat society is what determines morality. Even today I can bear arms as a citizen of the USA if I come of age but I can never do that as a citizen of Nigeria. Uptil now women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia till sometime around July this year that they will be allowed to drive. Every society invents it's Moral codes. I was in China for the first time in November last year and I saw laws and a moral system that is very different from ours.

Which is why I'm saying atheists don't believe racism is objectively immoral. In the distance future racism could be widely accepted and it would no longer be wrong.

Racism is objectively wrong because HUMANS have rallied and refined their morality to the point where they see it as such. Read the bible and see where Yahweh was advocating for Racism. He warned his chosen people NOT to marry from other tribes and races, told his chosen men that they can enslave others in certain ways but they could not enslave their fellow Hebrews in such ways. Morality is a human creation, back in the days the people used God and religion as an enforcing mechanism. People invent the moral codes and use God and religion to enforce them. That's all there is to it.

Well, do you agree with them? Do you think they did nothing wrong given the society they lived in?

Society determines everything. Were the ancient Jews right to sell their daughters into slavery as part of the injunctions given to them by Yahweh? What about stoning their disobedient children to death as commanded by Yahweh?

danvon:
Here

You can't read? I said according to you are your stupidity atheist believe there is no morality. How does that equate to me saying that evil is not a creation of men?

danvon:
But don't worry I understand obviously you don't believe in morality so there's nothing wrong with lying in one post and saying something else in another.

You've not shown the lie. What exactly are you on about? Seems you have comprehension problems.

danvon:
Trust nairaland atheist first you were arguing with me that evil is not a human invention now you've swapped here

When did I argue with you that evil is not a human invention?

rekinomtla:
There's a difference, when christians criticize the sharia system of morality they do it believing it is inferior to their own, they believe it's in error, incorrect.

Atheists believe morality was invented, no ones morality is inferior to anyone. Nothing objectively wrong in atheism. An atheist can look at those pics you posted and seriously claim there's nothing objectively wrong about racism.

You've just made my point we all criticize people's moral codes if it disagrees with the one we subscribe to. I asked you who created the sharia system of morality and you refused to answer. I'll ask again, who do you think created the sharia system of morality?

Morality is a human invention, it doesn't matter if that is what atheist think, that is the fact of the matter. Morality is a human invention that is why it varies from society to society and period in history and is always evolving.

Why would an atheist claim there is nothing objectively wrong with racism? Give me 3 good reasons why any atheist will claim that there is nothing objectively wrong with atheism.

That's because they were seen as less than human. That's a mistaken belief on their part. And just because it was popular doesn't mean it wasn't considered immoral, evil people commits evil acts even though they know it's immoral.

The society is what determines what is right and wrong. When Slavery was said to be right, almost everybody had slaves. The founding fathers of the USA and early presidents were all slave owners because slavery was allowed and legal. Now you can't even profile a black man in the US because it is considered to be a crime. Their morality has evolved.

They were also seen as less than human. How do you know these people wer killed for amussment?

Ps could you please remove those attachments.

Even if they weren't killed for amusement, the people at that time saw NOTHING wrong in smiling and posing close to their lynched bodies. It was a thing of pride to them because it wasn't a wrong thing to do then. Now it is a wrong thing to do and nobody living in the US today can try it.

Ok, I'll take the images down.

rekinomtla:
While that's the point, if atheists truly believe that, they sure don't act like like it when they strongly criticize people on moral grounds.

How don't they act like it. I can criticize your moral principles so long as I feel it doesn't agree with what I feel is right or wrong. Isn't that what we all do? Christians for example criticize the sharia moral system, a system of morality muslims believe was given to the world by God himself. But many christians criticize it because it doesn't agree with the system of morality they subcribe to. Who created the sharia system of morality? Pls answer the question and don't run away from it.

That it's immoral to kill or torture someone for fun.

It wasn't immoral to torture people for fun 2000 years ago in ancient Rome. Gladiators(who were mostly slaves) fight to the death for the amusement and entertainment of the people. They hacked and tortured each other to death for the amusement of the people and it wasn't considered as a wrong thing then. The slaves owners that owned the gladiators used it as a business ventures.

We don't have to go to far. The images below are pictures of your average Americans when slavery was permitted and allowed some hundred of years ago. They saw nothing in torturing and lynching blacks. At that time slavery was allowed and so was the torture and killing of blacks for amusement.

They were happy to take pictures around the dead bodies of tortured slaves. NOBODY living in America today will try this madness.

danvon:
Show me a society that exist without any form of religion
I said some people not societies, people like Hitler Stalin killed millions not as if their body damaged or something

Many excluded tribes in the Amazon jungle that have been discovered have been shown not to have any form of organized religion at all.

Killing millions doesn't mean you have no morality, it just means that you disregard the moral codes concerning killing others. Hitler was a law abiding German citizen before he became the leader, those close to him said he always told the truth, he hardly tell lies, he hated gays and considered them as evil people, he was a law abiding citizen, he wasn't ever arrested for breaking any German law as a private citizen. He didn't go about raping, stealing, committing acts of fraud, committing murder, and breaking the law at will. He abided by the German laws and the military code of ethics as an officer.

He knew that stealing, rape and murder was wrong but disregarded them anyway. Doesn't mean that he doesn't believe or had no morality at all. Many pastors have been caught pants down with people's wives and children, despite their constant castigation of adultery and fornication. Doesn't mean that they don't have morals, it just means that they chose to disregard it.