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KingEbukasBlog:
You always dont have a good understanding of the argument before you start making baseless arguments and accusations.

The argument was drawn from our understanding of how our minds work ; Intentionality of our mental states which has to do with object directedness or aboutness of something. And this behaviour of mental states of finite minds like us only point to the existence of an ultimate mind . Material objects don't have such ability only mental states do .

You guys keep making bogus and empty assertions always. I don't have time for your endless sophism. All I do is just cut the chase and show you how empty your assertions are. How did we jump from mental states pointing to the existence of an ultimate mind? Where is the foundation for this empty assertion.

Our mental state is evidence for our mental state. God's mental state can be demonstrated through which mechanism?

KingEbukasBlog:
Where is the video to prove this ?

intentionality and consciousness have been used as evidence for God a long time before Craig picked up the argument.

I'll look it up and drop it here if I see it.

Craig coined the argument the way you presented it. The argument is totally empty because it lacks foundation and evidence.

KingEbukasBlog:
Something only mental states can achieve . So have you seen correlation or should I show it ?

You have demonstrated the mental ability of any God how? Show me the mental ability of any God. Am waiting.

jimmyjenseng:
Lol! I can't stress myself over the invalidity of the argument. Why call this a logical argument in the first place! Here's you saying:

1. if god doesn't exist, pig doesn't exist
2. Pigs exists
3. Therefore god exists.

Your first premise is built on baseless assumption OK?

His first premise is based on a very useless assumptions and lacks total foundation and evidence . He'll then open his mouth and be talking rubbish. Even the proponent of this nonsense fallacy William Craig has dropped that nonsene after his argument was totally destroyed by Aman.

KingEbukasBlog:
What are intentional states of consciousness?

The ability to think about other things at will.

KingEbukasBlog:
I just have a feeling he does not know and he is just trying to pooh pooh the argument without having an understanding of the subject of the argument . It's the typical atheist way anyway .

I know what the statement means. You just made the statement without foundation? What made you to make the statement? What is the relationship btw intentional states of consciousness and the existence of God? How have you been able to establish that intentional states of consciousness can NOT exist without God?

You made an empty assertion without any foundation and you want any body to take you seriously.

OLAADEGBU:
I can show you the evidence but will you believe it if I do?

Sure. Show me the scientific evidence that shows that the universe is 6000 years old.

KingEbukasBlog:
We have arguments whose conclusions logically follow their premises. Let me produce one of them and see how you'd destroy it :

1. If God does not exist, intentional states of consciousness do not exist

What kind of very empty assertion is this? . What is the relationship btw intentional states of consciousness and God? How have you demonstrated that intentional states of consciousness can NOT exist without God?

2. Intentional states of consciousness exist

Yes it does. We are yet to demonstrate how it has anything to do with any God and why it can not existwithout any God.

3. Therefore, God exists .

What a very ridiculous conclusion.

Please logically destroy this argument , I'm waiting.

I fail to see the argument you've presented. Don't tell me this hogwash is what you call a logical argument. Na wah oo .

OLAADEGBU:
They are for anything that will negate the Truth.

Which truth?

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution is a lie and is not scientific. If you knew a little about science you would know about the "Golden Ratio."

I don't care about evolution. All I know is that the only God whose signature appears in nature is Allah.

hopefulLandlord:
succinct!

whenever I talk about the possible validity of Islam over Christianity with Analice107 she'll go "we'll find out when we die" LOL

The fear of death is one of the major reasons people adhere to religions.

As the saying goes all religions were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of a few.

If God is real we will have God not arguments.

But then theist are not able to convince other theist of the existence of their own version God.

KingEbukasBlog:
If in 2017 you haven't read various studies which have revealed that man is hardwired to be religious then you should stop using the Internet.

The surfeit evidence is man having too many religions since the beginning of human existence.

https://www.nairaland.com/3771249/introducing-implicit-theism-think-born

Will you stop your fallacies. If man is hard wired to be religious then which religion is he hard wired to believe in?

If you say that man is hard wired to be superstitious then I will agree with you but religious? That remains a lie. Religion isn't natural to man but being superstitious I believe is natural to man.

OLAADEGBU:
I must say that I partly agree with your summation here, it is pretty obvious. Saying that sin, sickness, suffering and death came before Adam is not congruous with the gospel truth.

Where is your scientific evidence to show that he universe is 6000 years old? Or do you now acknowledge that you've been telling lies all the time?

KingEbukasBlog:
But bro , you do realize that man has the propensity or is hardwired to be religious . Man also has strong emotional ties to his religious beliefs . So your claim is totally incongruous with the nature of man .

Man is more of an emotional being than a rational one and coupled with his propensity to be religious ? I don't see any level of science advancement that would make man disabuse himself of his religious beliefs .

I mean can you compare the level of superstitious beliefs anywhere to what Asians have ? Yet they are seemingly at the helm of scientific and technological advancement . Look at Islamic states like Dubai , they recently appointed a minister for artifical intelligence and with the level of scientific and technological advancement going on there they are still intransigent with their religious beliefs . Even many citizenx of European countries who claim to be less religious depend so much on revelations made by horoscopes , psychic reading and the likes .

No matter what, man will be drawn to what appeals to his nature - this is a fact .

More fallacy. Religion isn't natural to man. If it is then tell me the name of man's natural religion.

rekinomtla:
It is, go to the comments section at the bottom of page.

Ohh ok.

rekinomtla:
Sound familiar?

Correct the link you posted then cos this isn't what is found in the link you provided.

OLAADEGBU:
Copped out again.

Your evidence to show that the universe is 6000 years old is what?

rekinomtla:
Why do you plagiarize other people? Copying them word for word then presenting their thoughts as your own? You've been called out on this before and you still doing it, why?

Why do you accuse him of plagiarism? You posted a link to where he allegedly plagiarized the materials only for me to go there and see nothing at all. This is your link below.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-globalreligions/turns_out_jesus_really_did_rise_from_the_dead/


Not even a word of what he wrote down can be found on the link you posted.

Martinez19:
Batman visited me secretly. Then he died, resurrected and went to another galaxy. I have an empty coffin as proof.

Mtewwwwwww, stupid theist

At least you have an empty coffin. In the case of Jesus there is no empty tomb that exist anywhere. Nobody has ever shown where his empty tomb is only empty stories that where formulated decades after he allegedly resurrected.

OP stop telling lies. Most scholars do NOT agree that the empty tomb is a historical fact. Only christian scholars agree that the empty tomb is historical. Jews, Muslims, atheist and other scholars that look at it all disagree.

The empty tomb is not a historical fact . What we have for the empty tomb are ONLY MYTHICAL stories written many decades after the alleged events. Do you know what a historical fact is?

I know you guys can't stop telling lies for Jesus.

He doesn't look like someone that is bereaved. He's smiling as if he's attending an APC exco meeting.

What the hell is this?

Martinez19:
I think ea adeboye is the greatest religious theif in Nigeria, maybe aside from oyakhilome. World wide, I don't think he is on the same level with td jakes, benny hinn, Joel osteen, creflo dollar and copeland. I stand to be corrected.

I really don't understand why people allow fake charlatans like Creflor Dollar, Paula White and Benny Hinn to swindle them. These guys are not even good at what they do compared to the others.

The greatest religious thief in Nigeria is Chris Oyahkilome.

bloodofthelamb:
PEOPLE LOVE IMAGES...S[b]OME HAVE SWAPPED THE TRUE JESUS FOR THIS MAN'S PICTURE..[/b]

SATAN YOU ARE A LIER...AT THE END THE SON OF GOD WILL BE GLORIFIED.

Is there any picture of the true Jesus?

KingEbukasBlog:
You still have time sir but tick tock tick tock ...

You've not showed me your God's name or signature written on any part of nature ooo.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol . This is what happens when someone has a limited perspective of the issue . His argument is way off the point I was trying to make but I'm gona address it anyway . Allegorical interpretation of the bible is till congruent with tenets in Christianity . Evolution can be viewed as a process within creation - that God allowed the development of everything through the process of evolution . The literal interpretation of the bible is one of many numerous interpretations of the bible and the argument he is making is normally one which literal interpreters of the bible have against allegorical interpretation of the bible and is normally borrowed by atheists just the way they borrowed the theistic term 'God of the gaps' . Some Christians even interpret the bible literally but still do not agree to the 6000 year earth old claim by the YECs.

So yes my brother , evolution does not disrupt the harmony of the orthodox tenets of Christianity as he claimed . Allegorical interpretation of the bible has been with our early papas in church over 1500 years or so before Darwinian evolution .

But don't forget a non-Christian theist can still acknowledge evolution as process orchestrated by God .

It is very clear you do not know the implications of what you are saying. Biblical christianity is NOT compatible with the theory of evolution. You can deny it all you want but the reality is that it is not. I've seen many christians here clearly state that , I've seen others try to tell you that as well.

So which of the hominid apes did Adam evolve from? Where did the bible even suggest that? Where in the evolutionary trend does it state that women evolved from the ribs of a man?

Evolution does away with the first man and the first man, and if there is no first man as evolution suggest then there can be an Adam and if there can't be an Adam then there can't be an original sin and if there isn't an original sin then there can't be a Jesus who was sent to redeem people for their sins.

Some of the earliest church fathers didn't believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis because of the many problems associated with it, but they didn't subscribe to evolution either. To them the creation narratives were just symbolic events and stories that shows that God created the universe and that's all. Many christains do not agree with the literal interpretation of the biblical creation account but they will clearly tell you that you can not harmonize it with evolution.

OLAADEGBU:
I heard that you dropped the theory of evolution like hot potatoes. Do you believe in an old earth? Tell us whether you believe the earth is millions of years old and tell us why?

I've been asking you to provide the scientific evidence that shows that the universe is 6000 years old.

hopefulLandlord:
why is that brilliant? while its well said, it veers off the topic at hand; OP is not arguing for just a creator but for a specific creator who created things in a particular way, a literal Adam and Eve Creation, OP is a young earth creationist who is certain the world is 6000 years old

when Christians argue against evolution and "random chance" they're not arguing because such things show there's no "creator" but because those things go against the way they think the creator "created" the "creations"; evolution being true screws the entire tenets of Christianity from bottom to top cuz a literal Adam and Eve is very necessary as its the foundation on which Christianity is actually built

Evolution demolishes the idea of an "Adam and Eve," who are depicted as being created by "God" in the last part of Biblical Creation in the Book of Genesis. They are unrelated to any life form that came before them, per the Bible.

Without Adam and Eve . . . you have no disobedience based on them eating the fruit from the wrong tree.

Without this disobedience -- called "Original Sin" -- you have NO reason for "God" to later send a "Redeemer" for the human race (each of whose members somehow "inherited" that "Original Sin" LOL) . . . and that Redeemer = Jesus. Without Jesus, you have no basis for Christianity. . . . hence, the panic that Christians feel about Evolution, "Random chance" and their goal to discredit it and – instead – to pretend that a folk tale version of “Biblical Creation” accurately describes what actually “happened”

so when OP is arguing against random chance, he's not arguing just against it but also indirectly arguing FOR literal biblical creation

End of discussion.

Oga Felixmoron, Allah's signature is all over the place in nature. Where is Yahweh's own na?

KingEbukasBlog:
The joke's on you sir but I'll give you time to make this discovery

Be quiet pls. The only true God whose signature appears in nature is Allah. No other God has his name appear in nature but Allah the one and only true God.

You are a liar. The only God whose signature appears in nature is Allah. The one and only true God.