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Sixfiguresmart:
surah 2:87 Indeed, We gave Moses the Book and sent after him successive messengers. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clea...........
[b]surah 21:91 And ˹remember˺ the one who guarded her vagina, so We blew into her our spirit, making her and her son a sign for the worlds.
.....wing you the quran that you do not read. Thank me for it. This is the truth that your mullahs are concealing from you. That antichristian guy has suddenly ran away. he has been attacking christians for a years rather than taking same time to read his quran.

Jesus is a human incarnation and any human incarnation is exactly equal to Jesus. Here, you should take the meaning of the word ‘Jesus’ as any human incarnation in general and not a specific human incarnation. Misunderstandings and quarrels come only due to lack of sharp analysis of background. Even the human incarnation is a Triune since it contains the son of God (human medium), divine Father (first energetic incarnation) and the unimaginable God (You can call unimaginable God as Holy spirit in approximate sense. Actually, unimaginable God is non-mediated and Holy spirit is the unimaginable God mediated with formless energy.).

The unimaginable God (Parabrahman) is unmediated (Nirguṇa). The same unmediated God can be mediated by a portion of the creation (Saguṇa), which (medium) may have form (Saguṇa-Sākāra) or may not have form (Saguṇa-Nirākāra). Parabrahman mediated by energetic body having form is God Datta and the same Parabrahman mediated by formless energy is Allah. In Christianity, the same Parabrahman mediated by energetic body is Father of Heaven and same Parabrahman mediated by formless energy is Holy Spirit. In Hinduism, Parabrahman mediated by energetic body having form (Saguṇa-Sākāra) is God Datta and Parabrahman mediated by energy having no form (Saguṇa-Nirākāra) is called as ‘Yakṣa’ that is referred in the Upanishat.

concho:
I might not type well because I lack coordination right now .
My girlfriend of 4 years came back from a one week church program to tell me that the Man of God said I’m not the right person for her .

I am already making marriage plans before she brought this up .

I would actually just walk away on a norm, but she is actually the best thing that has happen to me over the years .

Don’t even know how to start going about this , I am very confused

Someone should help me please

Marriage is in no way connected to salvation or mokṣa. Salvation means the liberation from your worldly bonds when you have worldly bonds. Escaping from developing any worldly bonds and thinking that you have got salvation is a bogus salvation.
It is just like saying that you never failed in the examination because you never wrote the examination! Having developed worldly bonds, when you are able to come out of those worldly bonds due to your attraction to God, it is the true liberation from the worldly bonds and is called salvation. Mere salvation without any attraction to God is not only foolishness, but is also a waste.

Due to the attraction to God, the existing worldly bonds should naturally drop away, without any force. That is the real salvation. There should be a competition between your bond with God and your worldly bonds. In that game, the bond with God should win over the other worldly bonds. How can you use the word salvation or liberation unless there are worldly bonds that bind you? When you are not bound, where is the question of liberation?

As a soul, you must pass through the path stipulated by God for souls. You should not compare yourself with Śaṅkara or Ṛṣyaśṛṅga. Śaṅkara was the Incarnation of God Śiva. So, there was no question of salvation in His case. Even Ṛṣyaśṛṅga, got married to the daughter of King Daśaratha called Śānti. It was only in his childhood that he was brought up isolated from the rest of the world and women.
But when youth came, he got married to Śānti. Sage Jaratkāru was advised by his departed ancestors to get married and produce children, otherwise, they would fall down into hell. Sage Jaratkāru got married and produced a son called Sage Āstīka, who became a very important sage.

If you get married, you may produce a great son like Śaṅkara, Rāmānuja, Madhva or Vivekānanda. The duty of the soul is to get married and produce children, so that the human race is extended in the service of God.

When God descends on earth as an Incarnation, there must be co-actors and plenty of audience to serve God by giving Him entertainment. Hence, it is the duty of every soul to get married and have children. As per the commandment of the Veda given to souls, every soul should get married and produce children (Prajātantum mā vyvatchetsīḥ…—Veda).

Even God Hanumān, the purest celibate, got married to Suvarcalā, when His departed ancestors advised Him to get married and produce children. They warned Him that salvation is not possible unless one gets married. The meaning of this is that unless one is tied by a rope, where is the question of liberation from the bond? Mokṣa means the liberation from bonds. God has created this system of forming bonds and subsequently getting liberation from them. Getting bound is like entering the game and getting liberation is like winning the game.
God comes to this world in human form to preach and uplift us. He is called Human incarnation of God. One shall meet the present human incarnation and learn divine knowledge from Him.



Go to the following web site and read the divine knowledge presented there.


-By Shri Datta Swami


www.universal-spirituality.org


Universal Spirituality for World Peace

advocatejare:
Nigerian and African Muslims are the most brainwashed group of people ever.

>>> They are raised to believe that Arabic name is better than their tribal names. They rank their Arabic name higher than their tribal names
............. by the local name.

>>> They are raised to believe that Arab culture is their culture.

The Unimaginable God exists in every divine form of every religion and in every divine form of every sub-religion of Hindu religion. The candy is one and the same and the forms of candy-statues only differ from each other externally. Hence, every divine form of every religion is absolute unimaginable God because the merge of the Unimaginable God with any medium is perfect so that the unimaginable God became the imaginable medium retaining His original unimaginable nature without interfering with the properties (guṇas) of medium.
The scripture of every religion in the world was written by the same one unimaginable God and the written contents (syllabus) is one and the same even though the culture and language differs from one religion to the other. The goals and paths prescribed by scriptures are one and the same because the goal and author is one and the same God.

Certain defects appeared in the scriptures due to insertions made by some ignorant followers and due to this, no religion shall be rejected and none should convert in to other religion. If you filter these impurities, all religions become only one religion called Universal Religion based on Universal spirituality.

Then, religions differ only externally by different cultures and languages. Every devotee can exist in one’s own religion and simultaneously be a member of Universal religion just like a citizen in India belongs to a State Government and simultaneously to the Central Government!
Unimaginable aspect is beyond imagination, which is neither imaginable matter nor imaginable energy. Energy or space was created by God (Tat tejo'sṛjata..., Ātmana Ākāśaḥ...- Veda), which became matter (Ākāśāt vāyuḥ...- Veda) and awareness (Annāt puruṣaḥ...- Veda) in due course of the process of creation.

These three fundamental building components of the creation (inert energy or Rajas, inert matter or Tamas and non-inert awareness or Sattvam) are called as three fundamental qualities (Triguṇas) because they depend on the substratum called God. Hence, the Unimaginable God without creation or these three guṇas is called nirguṇa or attributeless and the mediated God is called saguṇa or with attributes.
The various permutations and combinations of these three fundamental qualities in various proportions generate different qualities, which are associated with mediated God as divine qualities and associated with souls as good and bad qualities. The three qualities are always associated together even though one may become predominant and such predominant quality is called the pure single quality as per scriptures.

Go to the following website and read the divine knowledge from there,

-By Shri Datta Swami
www.universal-spirituality[.]org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Sixfiguresmart:
surah 56:66 We have been penalized.

By who?

Did you notice that allah..... Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

what does Messiah mean to Muslims?

God is the divine Father hence He is in a respectable post like a King hence use the word 'We'.

Devotees treat God as Father and God is the Divine Father and not the biological father. If God is the biological father, all the male souls and female souls that are created must be brothers and sisters, in which case marriages should not take place. If God had a wife and if His wife carried on each soul as the child in her womb and then delivered the child, in such case God can be the biological father.

God has created the soul like the biological father and the nature or creation or Prakruti has created the body for the soul by the power of God only. Inert Prakruti can’t be the non-inert biological mother so that we can give equal credit as given to the mother. The process of birth of the child from biological parents is quite different from the birth of a soul with body from God and nature. There are several occasions when God created the soul with body by His will as in the case of the birth of God Viirabhadra from the hair-lock of the head of God Shiva. Here, God created nature while the biological father does not create the biological mother.

Hence, when the Gita says that God is the father like seed giving birth to a tree (Ahaṃ bīja pradaḥ pitā), it means that God is the creator of the seed, which does not mean that He is not the creator of earth that forms the body of the plant. Here, the simile is not a complete simile because God created the earth as well just as He created the seed. Simile shall be taken as a partial comparison only. God is said to be the intellectual as well as the material cause of the creation (Abhinna nimittopādāna kāraṇaṃ Brahma). Hence, God is the Divine Father, who is the total cause for the soul and its body.

People mock at God Brahma, who married Goddess Sarasvati even though she is His daughter. Is she His biological daughter? If so, where is her biological mother. If you say that since God Brahma created Sarasvati, she must be His biological daughter only. Then, God Brahma created all the human beings as He created Sarasvati. In such a case, all the human beings must be sons and daughters of God Brahma alone and should not perform marriages within themselves. When you criticize others, you must examine yourself. In the same way, God created Adam and Eve, who became husband and wife.

Kobojunkiee:
You no dey read?

You are told by at least 2 witnesses that Jesus Christ died, rose in 3 days after His death and then ascended into Heaven with the same body He had here on earth.

You are also told in the very same scripture, that man rejected Jesus Christ in the beginning. and His return over 2000 years ago is God offering man yet the same chance that was offered to man in the beginning, again, not as an imposition but an offer of redemption to mankind.

When you don't understand even the basics of what is clearly written in scripture, all your efforts to argue anything regarding it will always appear meaningless.

Human incarnation results when unimaginable God merges with imaginable devoted soul selected by God for the sake of some important work to be done in the world for the welfare of the souls. The process of the merge of unimaginable item with an imaginable item is also unimaginable. Only the process between two imaginable items existing in this imaginable creation is imaginable.
For example, gold and copper are imaginable items. Both these metals merge homogenously to form a solid solution, which looks like one item (gold), but when viewed through microscope, both metals appear as different atoms.
This means the merge to become one item is only external, but, the merge internally reveals that both these imaginable items did not become one item in the actual sense. This state (externally as one item, but, internally as two items) exists for anybody as the constant uniform single state. Regarding the case of unimaginable God merging with imaginable soul, the process of merge is unimaginable due to the omnipotence of God.
The human incarnation will appear simultaneously to different human beings in three states:-
1) As 100 % God if the devotee is with 100% faith.
2) As mixture of God and human soul in various proportions like solid solution of gold and copper according to various proportions of faith and doubt of the devotee and
3) As 100% human soul if the devotee has no faith. Krishna appeared in these three states simultaneously to Vidura, Dhrutaraashtra and Duryodhana in the same time while giving cosmic vision in the court.
Since devotees like Vidura are very very rare, I mentioned the second and third states only in the view of majority of devotees, who have partial faith or no faith. The first state is Monism of Shankara, the second state is inseparable dualism (like gold and copper in solid solution) of Ramanuja and the third state is separable dualism (like two different blocks of gold and copper).
This is told in the Gita that God results as per the view of the devotee (ye yathā mām…). Based on the worldly logic of imaginable items existing in the imaginable creation, we shall not discuss the state of unimaginable and omnipotent God.
Go to the following website and read the divine knowledge from there,

-By Shri Datta Swami
www.universal-spirituality[.]org

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxwPeghu3cM
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

MaxInDHouse:
Who is your own God and which continent first had an encounter with your God?

Human incarnation results when unimaginable God merges with imaginable devoted soul selected by God for the sake of some important work to be done in the world for the welfare of the souls. The process of the merge of unimaginable item with an imaginable item is also unimaginable. Only the process between two imaginable items existing in this imaginable creation is imaginable.

For example, gold and copper are imaginable items. Both these metals merge homogenously to form a solid solution, which looks like one item (gold), but when viewed through microscope, both metals appear as different atoms.

This means the merge to become one item is only external, but, the merge internally reveals that both these imaginable items did not become one item in the actual sense. This state (externally as one item, but, internally as two items) exists for anybody as the constant uniform single state. Regarding the case of unimaginable God merging with imaginable soul, the process of merge is unimaginable due to the omnipotence of God.

The human incarnation will appear simultaneously to different human beings in three states:-

1) As 100 % God if the devotee is with 100% faith.

2) As mixture of God and human soul in various proportions like solid solution of gold and copper according to various proportions of faith and doubt of the devotee and

3) As 100% human soul if the devotee has no faith. Krishna appeared in these three states simultaneously to Vidura, Dhrutaraashtra and Duryodhana in the same time while giving cosmic vision in the court.

Since devotees like Vidura are very very rare, I mentioned the second and third states only in the view of majority of devotees, who have partial faith or no faith. The first state is Monism of Shankara, the second state is inseparable dualism (like gold and copper in solid solution) of Ramanuja and the third state is separable dualism (like two different blocks of gold and copper).
This is told in the Gita that God results as per the view of the devotee (ye yathā mām…). Based on the worldly logic of imaginable items existing in the imaginable creation, we shall not discuss the state of unimaginable and omnipotent God.

AntiChristian:
God needs not visit humans to know them! God knows everything even before they existed!

My own questions are why your God wasn't kind enough to forgive Adam but decided to make others inherit the sin but not his good?

And why did your God have to come and die for the same sin he ought to have forgiven and forgot?

God created human beings in the beginning of the first phase of creation (Kruta Yuga), in which all the human beings were just following the instructions of God like the robots following the programme fed in to the machine heads. In such stage, there is no freedom of soul. All the instructions from God were always exceptionally good and there is no bad information. There is no need of knowing good and bad when the brain is totally surrendered to God (Tameva sharanam gachcha... Gita).

Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good. You will not verify the word of God through your analysis and examine whether it is good or bad. God takes the total responsibility of soul in such total surrender (Yogakshemam... Gita). This Adam and Eve represent the males and females of the humanity existing in Kruta yuga, in which total surrender from one side and total responsibility from the other side exists. They must abide to the word of God whatever it may be.

The concept of God here is that a totally surrendered soul need not have the knowledge of good and bad when the soul is simply following the word of God without any trace of freedom. When freedom is given to the soul, then, there is a need of exposure of good and bad through exposure of scripture and the soul has freedom to decide to choose good or bad. When this situation comes, the responsibility of God goes away and this is said by God to them.

The tree of knowledge of good and bad was created by God since the time has come to give freedom to the soul. Adam and Eve violated the word of God based on the freedom of soul only. Change from continuous trend is inevitable in the nature. The change from the trend of continuous total surrender has already come in the minds of the souls and hence God wants to give freedom to the souls to relieve them from the stress of continuous specific trend. It is the will of the divine Father only to give freedom to His children on one side and on the other side is also warning them to be careful about the bad.

Giving freedom is inevitable and at the same time, the warning of God withdrawing His responsibility to protect them is also paining the heart of the divine Father. Do not forget that such tension also gives entertainment to God and do not misunderstand God as the unfortunate victim of the tension! Full freedom and total responsibility of protection do not go hand in hand. Since freedom is decided by God, the warning is given so that human beings read the ethical scripture of God and be careful in selecting good.

In the stage of freedom, the additional problem is the pollution of scripture and deep analysis is to be done to isolate the word of God from the insertions done by human beings affected by Satan. Adam and Eve were also affected by Satan. Satan appeared as sweet and good like the insertion in the divine scripture. They followed the advice of Satan as the word of God due to incapability in the analysis.


The divine Father is very much concerned for the happiness of souls created by Him. Hence, He gave freedom to souls, which was misused by the souls to get punishments of their sins. Even though the sins were done continuously, the punishments were not arranged continuously following strictly the sequence of deeds. The punishments (tensions) were arranged alternatively with fruits of good deeds (happiness) so that the boredom of continuous happiness disappears. By this, the problem of boredom was removed.


But, some people are seen with continuous tensions and so they criticise God for not doing such above said arrangement. The reason for a specific situation like this is that the souls worshipped God to solve their problems and get happiness. God was forced to do this. But, the basic principle of His constitution is that no fruit of good deed can be given without doing good deed and the punishment of a bad deed can never be cancelled unless the soul is reformed.

Based on this, God postponed the present punishment to future life cycles with interest added so that the present punishment disappears. He brought the good fruits arranged with increased values from the future life cycles with lesser values to the present birth and gave happiness. The ignorant soul is thinking that the punishment is cancelled and good fruit is given by God even though it did not do any good deed.

Due to this, the future life cycles are leftover with punishments only without good fruits in the intervals. Hence, we shall never worship God for getting any benefit and our true love to God must be without aspiration for any fruit like removing the tension or granting benefit. Without understanding this background, we criticize God unnecessarily. Actually, we must criticize ourselves only.


While clarifying your doubt, we must carefully understand the comparison of a human being with a robot. If God had not given any freedom to human beings, there would hardly be any difference between a human being and a robot. For some time, let us think that God did not give any freedom to human beings, which was actually the condition during the Kṛta age. In the Kṛta age, human beings were exactly like robots in the sense that both act as per the information available to them. But there is a slight difference between the Kṛta Age-humans and robots. The Kṛta Age-humans got information directly from the external world. Robots, on the other hand, get information only from the information-chip inserted into them by the scientist who designed them. The scientist, after all, draws information only from the external world. So, the information fed to the robot is indirectly from the same external world. Thus, at this point, the difference between Kṛta Age-humans and robots disappears.

In the case of the Kṛta Age-humans, no scientist inserted any information-chip into them; they themselves filled it with the information directly grasped by them from the external world. The robot, however, is dependent on the scientist to feed information into its information-chip. Leaving aside this matter of detail, the Kṛta Age-human, who did not possess freedom, is exactly like a robot in the aspect of acting as per the information available.

As time passed, the Kṛta Age humans felt bored. Robots, of course, never get bored and can go on working mechanically as per the program in their information-chip. This again is another difference between a human being and a robot. A robot plays a game of chess using the ‘intelligence’ programmed in its chip by the scientist. It merely executes actions based on the various possibilities of moves in the game. The Kṛta Age-human being was also just like the robot playing chess. Based on these similarities, it was stated that human beings in the Kṛta Age were just robots.

Considering the large number of similarities, it was stated that human beings in the Kṛta Age were robots in the sense of a metaphor. Saying that a person is like a lion is a simile, while saying that the person is a lion is a metaphor. Both the simile and the metaphor indicate similarity between two items, while also acknowledging their differences. Neither the simile nor the metaphor suggests an identity between the two items compared. But in the case of a simile, the differences between the two items compared are larger than in the case of a metaphor.

Once God gave freedom to human beings, after the Kṛta Age, the differences between human beings and a robot increased. The robot continues to play chess based on the program in its information-chip whereas the free human being does not play as per any fixed program or policy. The freedom given, allows the human being to freely choose to follow its information-chip or not follow it. This freedom creates a huge difference between a free human being and a robot which never has any freedom. It is due to this freedom given by God to humans that God can never be blamed for the wrong choices made by human beings. Human beings alone are responsible for their own choices. If human beings had continued to be like robots, which never have any freedom, then God, who is like the scientist, would be held responsible for the behavior of human beings.

Also, there is no need to blame this freedom given by God. In spite of giving this freedom, there are some human beings who still continue to follow their information-chips like robots. All human beings have not exercised their freedom. All have not deviated from the policy of behaving as per the information chip. Had all human beings deviated, it would be correct to blame the freedom and its Giver. But after granting this freedom, some human beings deviated from their programmed behavior while others did not. Hence, you cannot file a damage suit against God for granting this freedom. If upon granting freedom to human beings, all human beings had universally deviated from the programmed behavior, your advocate could have argued your case. But due to the absence of any such uniform behavior, you cannot support your case with arguments. In that case, your damage suit will be disposed with no costs!



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- By Shri Datta Swami
(Universal Spirituality for World Peace)

How can one introduce spiritual knowledge to the people suffering from problems?

[Shri PVNM Sarma asked:- People are consulting priests to solve their worldly problems and priests are suggesting various types of worships of various forms of God. How can one introduce Your spiritual knowledge to such people?]


Swami replied:- The people mentioned by you are totally different, who belong to Pravrutti only. Their sole aim is the solution of their worldly problems alone, using the miraculous power of God. God is only an instrument to achieve the worldly goal. People fix a fan in the house for the purpose of enjoying air. Fan is the instrument and the goal is to enjoy air. If the fan is serving their purpose, it is ok. If the fan does not rotate and give air or if the fan gives hot air, the fan is immediately removed. Similarly, by doing the specific type of worship to a specific form of God, if their goal is not achieved or if something opposite happens to them, immediately, such form of God and such type of worship are withdrawn. Of course, God also tries to help them in achieving their worldly goals because in the beginning, every system is defective as said in the Gita (Sarvārambhā hi doṣeṇa…). A small child goes to school only if you give it a chocolate, which is inevitable in view of the beginning ignorance of the child. But, when the child grows and is going to study PG degree in the University, neither does the grown up student ask for the chocolate nor do the parents give him the chocolate even if asked. Similarly, God goes out of the procedure of the divine administration and helps every soul in the beginning. But, as time proceeds, the soul is expected to turn towards Nivrutti, in which the goal is selfless love to God to form a real and permanent bond with Him so that whatever is good for the soul, God does it irrespective of its worship.

The bond with God is transformed from prostitution bond (asking practical boons for theoretical worship) or business bond (asking practical boons for practical worship) to issue devotional bond (doing practical worship due to real love on God without aspiring for anything in return from God). If God does not give the desired boon (the fan does not rotate at all), the devotee feels that God did not give the fruit for some good purpose only. If God gives the opposite result, the devotee feels that God gave such a result for some good purpose only. The faith here is that whatever is the response from God, all that is only for the good of the devotee alone. This truth will be realized by the devotee in course of time. In this path of Nivrutti, God is the goal and not any worldly desire. This does not mean that God will not help the soul in Pravrutti. God is the ultimate Lord of both Pravrutti and Nivrutti.

naijaclass:
In Christian hamartiology, eternal sins, unforgivable sins, unpardonable sins, or ultimate sins are sins which will not be forgiven by God. One eternal or unforgivable sin (blasphemy against the Holy Spirit), also known as the sin unto death, is specified in several passages of the Synoptic Gospels, including Mark 3:28–29, Matthew 12:31–32, and Luke 12:10, as well as other New Testament passages including Hebrews 6:4–6, Hebrews 10:26–31, and 1 John 5:16.


Bible scholars please throw more light to this

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins


The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.


If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.


If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God


You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.






Punishment given for a sin is only to change the mind of the soul and purify it. There is no trace of revenge in this. The hell is an indication of the intensive love of God to the souls through which God wants to reform the souls. The hell indicates the hectic effort of God put on the soul to reform it and not to leave the soul for its fate.


A father may leave his son since he is not changing inspite of all his efforts. But in the hell God puts serious effort and succeeds to change the soul. Therefore, even thousands of fathers cannot be equal to God. God is not leaving the soul without changing it and this point is indicated by the punishment and hell.


Therefore, there is no point of excusing the Prarabhdas if this true basis is understood. God will try to change the soul through preaching as far as possible. Punishment in the hell is the last resort. Once the soul is reformed all the sins are smashed since there is neither the necessity of preaching nor the necessity of punishment.


The Divine Father is taking the best care of each soul. Even the punishments given by God here on earth and hereafter in hell, only indicate His anxiety to reform the sinful soul, which is His child. Hell is the reflection of God’s highest kindness, which helps in reforming souls. Hell is not the reflection of His anger or desire for revenge. If we understand this very subtle point, we will be very peaceful about things taking place in this world. There is no error taking place in the divine administration.

God gave freedom to all souls so that they could do whatever they felt was good. God helped the souls in determining what is good and what is bad by preaching to them through holy scriptures, holy devotees and holy Incarnations. Freedom means the complete freedom for all souls in this creation to act in any direction, without the slightest force on the mind, either here or in the upper worlds.

God always preaches to every soul to bring the realization of the truth to the soul and to reform the soul. The soul is expected to realize and get reformed only through this knowledge introduced into the mind of the soul. It is the only way the soul can be saved. The only force used by God on the mind of a sinner is imparting knowledge. He does not use any physical force or miraculous power to reform the sinner.


-By Shri Datta Swami
www.universal-spirituality[.]org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Maynman:
Stones were regarded as sacred in ancient Israel.
The worship of sacred stones constituted one of the most general and ancient forms of religion; but among no other people was this worship so important as amo

The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone or painted on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a direct photo. The statues and photos are only models representing the concept, which is knowledge. The form of statues and photos is mainly human form, which represents the concept that the Lord always comes to this world in human form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam). Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord would come in any other form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill the demons and nobody worshipped such forms during their time. But Jesus, Mohammad, Rama, Krishna etc were the human forms worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas.

The Lord will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes partial to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi).
Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue for you. You should go from school to college and then to university. This does not mean that when you leave the school, the school should be destroyed.

The school must exist for the future batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are not necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and temples should be broken. They should be protected and must be respected as the models of divine knowledge for the future ignorant devotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form, which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah).
For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti).
Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees.

But the other rituals like offering food, burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the air pollution harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be avoided.

Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only but not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijya should not be done to the inert objects. In the name of the statues, people are stealing the food and money. The statue and photo is not taking the food or Gurudakshina.

The people behind the statue are taking those things and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with ignorance. Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the priest and not the managing devotees. The business of the merchants by selling such materials in the temples should be stopped, because such materials are not even heard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge to the devotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only.

Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless devotion and divine knowledge and the priest must do only ‘Jnana Yajna’ in the temple and not the ‘dravya yajna’ as said in the Gita (Sreyaan dravyamayat).

Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is only cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business is connected to removal of the fruits of sins and getting the fruits of good deeds, which are not done.
All this is false, because the theory of ‘karma’ says that one has to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never get the result of any good deed without doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam…kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be preached in the temple, which must be ‘nishkama karma yoga’ i.e., sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is condemned and not the temples or statues, which are the models of the divine knowledge.

Certainly, neither idol is God nor God is in idol. The idols are in the human form indicating that alive human form of God must be worshipped and every idol to be worshipped is initiated with the special ritual called as Praanapratishthaa (initiation of life), which doesn’t mean that the idol becomes alive by this ritual.

It means only that if the idol is added with life, it becomes alive human form and you should finally catch the human form of God (Satguru), which is relevant to humanity. The Veda says that God is not in idol and the secondary scripture says that idol worship is for beginners only. It is only the worship of a representative model.

The national flag is a representative model of the nation and saluting the flag is saluting the nation since you can’t take an aeroplane to move around the nation in order to salute it! Why people criticizing idol worship are keeping the idols and photos of Jesus on cross in churches and houses? Why are they keeping the albums of photos of their kith and kin staying far to see those with feelings of love?

The idol worship definitely improves the theoretical devotion, which is the mother of practical devotion (service and sacrifice). But, you shall not sit in this beginning LKG class only throughout your life and waste food materials in the worship of idols and rituals (By pouring milk on idol, by burning ghee in fire, by burning sticks used for cooking in the name of Dhuni, by burning oil lamps, candles and fuming materials even if there is no necessity etc.,), which can be offered to God and distributed to beggars dying with hunger.

Idol worship means worshipping the representative models of God to improve theoretical devotion even though God is not directly present in idols. It is just like satisfying the theoretical love on seeing the album of dears. God enters only a human being on this earth for propagation of true spiritual knowledge and can be directly worshipped as Sadguru.

The inert statue is associated with life initiation (Praanapratishthaa), which doesn’t mean that the inert statue becomes alive! It only means that the inert statue shall be associated with life for direct worship, which is the contemporary human incarnation as worshipped by the top most devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas. They didn’t worship the statues of energetic incarnations like God Vishnu or the statues of past human incarnations.

Idol worship is not recommendable if the true concept is analysed. But, it is inevitable to the human devotees in the beginning, who can’t accept human incarnation due to ego and jealousy towards an alive co-human being. The Gita says that every beginning is inevitably defective. In order to remove this jealousy towards co-human beings, it is advised to serve the humanity as God to remove the repulsion between common media and to recognize the alive human incarnation or God in the common human body. The worship of the statues must not involve wastage of food materials except bath and external decoration for attraction.

. Idol worship is essential for the beginners, who can’t accept the human form of God due to ego and jealousy. Of course, neither idol is God nor God is in the idol. The idol is only a representative model of God like the national flag representing the country. The Veda says that God is not in the idol (Na tasya pratimaa...). The Hindu scripture also says that idol worship is meant for beginners having little intellectual analysis (Pratimaahyalpabuddhiinaam). But, it should not be discarded for the beginners.

LKG class is meant for beginners and the only expected thing is that one should not sit in the LKG class throughout his life. You can ask the mockers of idol worship ‘are you not having photo albums of your kith and kin, who are staying far from you?’

The idol worship certainly develops the theoretical devotion, which is the mother of practice of sacrifice and service to God. If the person doing idol worship has to go to hell, the LKG students as well as possessors of photo albums also have to go to hell. If some people of a religion talk ignorantly, don’t generalize your dislike to all the people of religion and to the original founders of the religion. You must respect every religion in this world viewing the original state of the religion neglecting the adulterations done by certain ignorant followers.


While doing worship, be careful to utilize materials properly and don’t follow the blind traditions thinking that such traditions were established by ancient sages. All traditions are not from the time of sages.

Many traditions followed today are blind, developed by middle-age priests, who were really uneducated, spending all their time in blind recitation of the scripture without knowing its meaning. Such traditions can be very easily proved to be meaningless. Wastage of any material, especially food, in worshipping the representative models as statues and photos. This is foolish and irritates God with anger.


For example, a light lit before statue or photo of God has nothing to do with God. First of all, God is not in any inert medium. He always enters a human being only for the sake of preaching right knowledge to humanity. Except this one case of human incarnation, worship of any item of creation as God is only indirect worship of representative model (any item of creation selected by you) of God. You can worship any item of creation as God and you should remember that such item stands for God and not really the God with which God merged.

Such indirect worship is also not wrong, especially in the case of beginners, who are trained in theoretical devotion and the fruit is development of theoretical devotion in which no material is to be wasted. Such inert models can be washed with water, be wiped with cloth and be decorated with flowers and other ornaments so that the vision of statue or photo can inspire to develop theoretical devotion in the minds of devotees. Except these modes required to maintain an inert model, other modes of worship are foolish, which involve wastage of food materials.

You need not lit a light with oil or a candle before the statue in the day time or in night when electrical lights are switched on. Light is required for you only and not for God at all. God is the light of the lights in this world (Tasya bhaasaa… Veda). Actually, God is not in the statue and even if present, He does not require any light. You alone require light for the vision.

When light is there alternatively (like Sun in the day or electrical bulb in the night), what is the necessity of this oil-light or candle? In the ancient days, there is no electrical bulb in the night. Hence, oil lights or candles were lit in the night for the sake of vision of people. Hence, you are wasting material that can be donated to poor people, who do not have electrical bulbs in the night. The oil donated to poor people can be used in their food so that their life lights can be lit through which they can also serve God!

God will be pleased by such donation and will be furious by such wastage due to foolish tradition. Similarly, why do you waste milk etc., in washing statues? It is again wastage of food, which can be donated to poor and beggars. If you are rigid in pouring milk on statue, collect it carefully in a plate kept below the statue and use it as food. Food is created by God to maintain the life lights of human beings and not to waste like this! I assuredly tell all of you that God is furious to such foolish actions.

Don’t pour milk in the snake-abode, which is simply wasted, being absorbed by the soil. If you want to give milk to serpent, you leave some milk in a cup so that the serpent may drink it when it reaches its abode or some other poor creature may drink it. You should watch the consumption of milk properly by standing far to see that it is not wasted. All this is giving food to other living beings (Bhuta Yajna).

Sometimes, you are burning one lakh oil lamps or candles! Be sure that God is terribly furious for such blind action. You are burning ghee, the most precious food material in the fire altars. The fire in which the ghee or food fried by ghee is to be burnt is not this physical fire. It is the hunger-fire of a beggar in which precious food material is to be burnt.

The fire burning on sticks is Laukikaagni or Bhautikaagni. The fire in the form of electricity is also another form of the above fire only called as Vaidyutaagni. Both these fires are inert and no food should be burnt in these two forms. Both these forms are only used to cook food, called as instruments of sacrifice (Yajnasaadhanam) and not to be worshipped in sacrifice (Yajna-upaasyam).

The fire, which is to be worshipped by the sacrifice of ghee-food (called as ghee like calling an oily food as oil through ‘Lakshanaavrutti’, which is calling one part by its associated part) is the Vaishvaanaraagni or Devataagni or hunger fire existing in poor hungry people (Aham Vaishvaanaro… Gita).

Krishna asked the wives of sages to sacrifice the food (prepared to burn in physical fire due to blind tradition) for His hungry friends. God Kapila preached her mother in the Bhagavatam that a fool alone burns ghee in fire altars! You must analyze and get true knowledge for correct practice to get the grace of God without being trapped by foolish people following blindly such ignorant traditions. Such ignorant traditions are not from sages, but, from the foolish priests of middle age, who never understood the meaning of the Veda. Similarly, don’t burn sticks in the temples of Sai Baba in the name of Dhuni. He burnt so since He lived in a condemned Mosque in which poisonous creatures were constantly moving. Why do you waste so many sticks to just tell that Sai Baba maintained a Dhuni? You must understand the context of circumstances in which He burnt such Dhuni. He will be extremely pleased if you donate these sticks to poor people to cook food.


While serving poor and beggars, treat such human beings also as representative models of God in the place of statues and photos so that you do not waste any material and at the same time you are trained in the theoretical devotion, worshipping them as representative models (Pratika) of God. Both targets (1. Not wasting food materials and 2. Worship of representative models of God) are served by this way. You can serve a spiritual preacher also in this way which is coming from sages as good tradition.

Such path is called as ‘service to human beings is service to God’ (Manava sevaa maadhava sevaa). By this way of worship, don’t conclude that every human being is God since human being is only kept as representative model of God. Direct service to God is possible only when the served person is human incarnation. Indirect service is a training, which improves the theoretical devotion.

This training (in which human beings are worshipped as representative models of God instead of statues) also helps you to reduce jealousy towards co-human beings due to which only you are missing the human incarnation. Even the statues are in human form indicating towards worship of alive human incarnation only as the next stage.

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SALVATION

1) Salvation means simply liberation. Generally, devotees pray God for salvation. But, they don’t know from what they desire the salvation! The word salvation is a general word. When You specify the item from which You desire the salvation or liberation, the meaning of the word salvation changes from one item to other from which liberation is desired.

2) Generally, the desire of majority of people is to get liberation from the worldly miseries and tensions while the soul is alive in this world. This is the ‘Jiivanmukti’ or liberation from worldly miseries while alive. Several scholars suggest meditation in the name of Yoga to get such salvation. But, as soon as the meditation is over, again miseries are attacking and hence, this is not the remedy at the root level.

It is only a temporary first aid treatment for the wound caused by miseries. It is just like putting wet cloth to lower the temperature of the body caused by fever, which is due to infection from germs. The root level treatment is to kill the germs by using antibiotic medicines.

3) Similarly, You have to analyse to root cause of the misery, which is the punishment stipulated by the constitution of God for the sins done by the soul in the past births and present birth. These sins are done due to uncontrolled excessive fascinations to self and own family members. If the fascination to self and family is in controlled level, sins are certainly avoided.

The only way to reduce family fascinations is to develop more fascination to some other item and that item can be none other than God. The personality of God is also more attractive if all the details about God are thoroughly obtained from spiritual knowledge. The servant of God propagating spiritual knowledge in the world gets more and more digestion of it, which develops more and more fascination towards God.

4) The fascination towards family bonds is real due to practical sacrifice done to these in the service of these bonds. A real fascination to God can be identified when it weakens the other real fascination to self and family. The reality is proved by the practical service done to the family.

Such real fascination to the family can be cut only by another real fascination to God, which is the practical service to God. Reality of love lies in the practical sacrifice of service and sacrifice of fruit of work only. Hence, the servant of self and family gradually becomes the servant of God. Such diversion of fascination through service from family to God can alone control the sins so that the liberation from miseries while alive becomes possible.

5) As the sacrifice through service increases more and more, the climax of devotion appears for the servant of God. Then, he becomes fully engaged in the service of God so that there is no time and energy to think about doing a sin for the benefit of self and family. In such case, there is no place for sin and misery in the life of the soul and this type of salvation has full proof from all sides. This is the salvation in Pravrutti attained through Nivrutti.

6) Another type of salvation from miseries is getting reformation of the soul and not doing any sin from today onwards so that God cancels all the pending punishments provided the reformation is real forever. This is getting salvation from miseries through Pravrutti itself. The fruit for this salvation and above said salvation is one and the same as far as salvation from miseries, while alive, is concerned.

But, in the former salvation a real advantage of having bond with God is achieved as a separate profit. In the latter salvation, avoiding loss by avoiding miseries is obtained. Of course, avoiding loss is also a type of profit only. But, the latter salvation is real substantial profit, which is achieved by the real devotee of God or the servant of God alone.

7) There was very good control of sins in the souls in ancient times since much concentration on the spiritual line was given. When I came as human incarnation called as Rama, there was no need for Me to exhibit miracles since every soul had natural control over sins. I simply exhibited the ideal behaviour of a human soul in this world and all the people respected it since they were following the same ideal behaviour.

When I came as Krishna, the ideal behaviour of human being is lost to some extent and attraction for miracles increased in souls, which were aspiring the help from God in cancelling the sins done by them. Today, the condition is worst since souls are only attracted to the miracles of God aspiring His help in getting success in doing sins due to over fascination to self and family! These ignorant people don’t understand that such unjust materialistic progress doesn’t give happiness to them or to their families. In addition, miseries have to be faced for the sins done.

9) As Rama, I left the kingdom and went to forests indicating that God alone is the king and the soul shouldn’t aspire for the position of God. When My left half (Shakti) asked My right half, the preacher (Shiva) for the path to cross this worldly ocean (taarakam), the preacher-half said that the path of Rama shall be followed, which is not to have aspiration for the kingship of God. Hanuman had miraculous powers, but, became the servant of Rama, who didn’t exhibit any miraculous power. This means that miracles are not necessary for theists, who must concentrate on the good qualities of God only.


Liberation

Liberation while associating with gross body and without it shall be analyzed carefully along with total liberation.

[Mukti means simply liberation. Jevanmukti means liberation from the bond of fascination to worldly bonds here while this gross body is alive in this life itself. This means that the worldly bonds exist, but, there is no fascination to these worldly bonds here, which is not liberation from these actual worldly bonds here. Videhamukti means the liberation of the soul from the gross body or sthula sharira (first body), which is burnt after death. Deha means that which is burnt by fire (dahyate iti dehah). Even after death, the soul is associated with energetic body, which cannot be burnt since the body itself is made of energy. This energy is in the form of nervous energy called as vaasanaa or sukshma sharira or subtle body, the second body.

Apart from nervous energy in the form of ideas, inert energy also exists as the minor component of the second body (manomayah praana shariranetaa - Veda). Major component of the subtle body is nervous energy (sukshmastu vaasanaamayah). The major component or sukshma (subtle) is a bundle of ideas (vaasanaas) that leads the minor component or inert energy called as Praanasharira. The awareness or nervous energy without ideas is called as causal body or Kaaranasharira, the third body, which is present in the ideas as the composing entity like gold in jewels. The cosmic inert energy having very subtle nature, called as cosmic energy (space) is the cause for the third causal body (awareness), which (space) is called as the root-causal body or Mahaakaarana Sharira, the fourth body.

Beyond this fourth body, only unimaginable God exists. All these four bodies come under the category of creation or imaginable domain. Hence, if the soul is liberated from the fascination of worldly bonds related to the first gross body here, such liberation is called as jeevanmukti or liberation from fascination of worldly bonds related to first gross body. The next videhamukti doesn’t mean liberation from worldly bonds since worldly bonds continue after the death also. Only the bonds related to this earth-world are liberated. The bonds related to upper energetic world (like bonds with associating departed souls) start and hence, we can never say that the worldly bonds (existing as surrounding atmosphere) are totally removed.

If the fascination to worldly bonds disappears here as well as there while the bonds still exist around the soul in detached way, it is called as vimukti as said in the Veda (Yavat na vimokshye…). In such case, the soul exists as pure awareness without fascination to this world and upper world. Even though both worlds exist surrounding the soul, such total liberation from entire fascination to both worlds is called as vimukti (total liberation from both worlds).

The maximum stage of salvation up to which this soul can reach is the soul existing as pure awareness or third body, even though it is externally associated with both worlds. The soul can never reach the state of fourth body or space beyond which only unimaginable God exists. If the soul reaches the fourth state or space, the soul itself disappears being the awareness. The fourth state or space is subtle inert energy (aakaasha) only, which is generated from the unimaginable God.

Hence, the soul even in its ultimate third state also (existing in association with first and second bodies in this world and upper world respectively) is without any fascination since it is filled fully with the fascination to God only and this state is called as vimukti or ultimate salvation by the Veda. In this state only, God merges with the soul to become incarnation, which is the monism of Shankara.

Shri Paramahamsa told that even sage Shuka is travelling still in the infinite space (Mahaashunya), which means that the soul or pure awareness can never reach the fourth state to become inert, which means that the soul is converted into a state of inert stone as extreme punishment! Even if the soul becomes inert subtle cosmic energy and a stone (since awareness can become inert energy, which can become matter), it can’t be converted into unimaginable God. Conversion of imaginable in to unimaginable or vice-versa is impossible (Avyaktam vyaktimaapannam- Gita). The unimaginable God also generated the inert cosmic energy by unimaginable power only and this is not modification or physical conversion.

Hence, the soul in the third state while remaining as pure awareness merging with unimaginable God is the ultimate salvation, which does not mean the disappearance of association with both worlds, but, only means disappearance of total fascination to both worlds, which indirectly gives the estimation of total fascination of the soul to God. Even the unimaginable God is always associated with His creation (both worlds) and its bonds and is entertained continuously with bliss due to absence of fascination to this creation and its bonds.

In such case, this petty soul imagining actual detachment from world and its bonds is foolish! Shankara described God as always liberated (Nityamuktasvabhaavam) and this means only that God is always liberated from the fascination to world and not actually liberated from the world and its bonds.]



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1) Salvation means simply liberation. Generally, devotees pray God for salvation. But, they don’t know from what they desire the salvation! The word salvation is a general word. When You specify the item from which You desire the salvation or liberation, the meaning of the word salvation changes from one item to other from which liberation is desired.

2) Generally, the desire of majority of people is to get liberation from the worldly miseries and tensions while the soul is alive in this world. This is the ‘Jiivanmukti’ or liberation from worldly miseries while alive. Several scholars suggest meditation in the name of Yoga to get such salvation. But, as soon as the meditation is over, again miseries are attacking and hence, this is not the remedy at the root level.

It is only a temporary first aid treatment for the wound caused by miseries. It is just like putting wet cloth to lower the temperature of the body caused by fever, which is due to infection from germs. The root level treatment is to kill the germs by using antibiotic medicines.

3) Similarly, You have to analyse to root cause of the misery, which is the punishment stipulated by the constitution of God for the sins done by the soul in the past births and present birth. These sins are done due to uncontrolled excessive fascinations to self and own family members. If the fascination to self and family is in controlled level, sins are certainly avoided.

The only way to reduce family fascinations is to develop more fascination to some other item and that item can be none other than God. The personality of God is also more attractive if all the details about God are thoroughly obtained from spiritual knowledge. The servant of God propagating spiritual knowledge in the world gets more and more digestion of it, which develops more and more fascination towards God.

4) The fascination towards family bonds is real due to practical sacrifice done to these in the service of these bonds. A real fascination to God can be identified when it weakens the other real fascination to self and family. The reality is proved by the practical service done to the family.

Such real fascination to the family can be cut only by another real fascination to God, which is the practical service to God. Reality of love lies in the practical sacrifice of service and sacrifice of fruit of work only. Hence, the servant of self and family gradually becomes the servant of God. Such diversion of fascination through service from family to God can alone control the sins so that the liberation from miseries while alive becomes possible.

5) As the sacrifice through service increases more and more, the climax of devotion appears for the servant of God. Then, he becomes fully engaged in the service of God so that there is no time and energy to think about doing a sin for the benefit of self and family. In such case, there is no place for sin and misery in the life of the soul and this type of salvation has full proof from all sides. This is the salvation in Pravrutti attained through Nivrutti.

6) Another type of salvation from miseries is getting reformation of the soul and not doing any sin from today onwards so that God cancels all the pending punishments provided the reformation is real forever. This is getting salvation from miseries through Pravrutti itself. The fruit for this salvation and above said salvation is one and the same as far as salvation from miseries, while alive, is concerned.

But, in the former salvation a real advantage of having bond with God is achieved as a separate profit. In the latter salvation, avoiding loss by avoiding miseries is obtained. Of course, avoiding loss is also a type of profit only. But, the latter salvation is real substantial profit, which is achieved by the real devotee of God or the servant of God alone.

7) There was very good control of sins in the souls in ancient times since much concentration on the spiritual line was given. When I came as human incarnation called as Rama, there was no need for Me to exhibit miracles since every soul had natural control over sins. I simply exhibited the ideal behaviour of a human soul in this world and all the people respected it since they were following the same ideal behaviour.

When I came as Krishna, the ideal behaviour of human being is lost to some extent and attraction for miracles increased in souls, which were aspiring the help from God in cancelling the sins done by them. Today, the condition is worst since souls are only attracted to the miracles of God aspiring His help in getting success in doing sins due to over fascination to self and family! These ignorant people don’t understand that such unjust materialistic progress doesn’t give happiness to them or to their families. In addition, miseries have to be faced for the sins done.

9) As Rama, I left the kingdom and went to forests indicating that God alone is the king and the soul shouldn’t aspire for the position of God. When My left half (Shakti) asked My right half, the preacher (Shiva) for the path to cross this worldly ocean (taarakam), the preacher-half said that the path of Rama shall be followed, which is not to have aspiration for the kingship of God. Hanuman had miraculous powers, but, became the servant of Rama, who didn’t exhibit any miraculous power. This means that miracles are not necessary for theists, who must concentrate on the good qualities of God only.


Liberation

Liberation while associating with gross body and without it shall be analyzed carefully along with total liberation.

[Mukti means simply liberation. Jevanmukti means liberation from the bond of fascination to worldly bonds here while this gross body is alive in this life itself. This means that the worldly bonds exist, but, there is no fascination to these worldly bonds here, which is not liberation from these actual worldly bonds here. Videhamukti means the liberation of the soul from the gross body or sthula sharira (first body), which is burnt after death. Deha means that which is burnt by fire (dahyate iti dehah). Even after death, the soul is associated with energetic body, which cannot be burnt since the body itself is made of energy. This energy is in the form of nervous energy called as vaasanaa or sukshma sharira or subtle body, the second body.

Apart from nervous energy in the form of ideas, inert energy also exists as the minor component of the second body (manomayah praana shariranetaa - Veda). Major component of the subtle body is nervous energy (sukshmastu vaasanaamayah). The major component or sukshma (subtle) is a bundle of ideas (vaasanaas) that leads the minor component or inert energy called as Praanasharira. The awareness or nervous energy without ideas is called as causal body or Kaaranasharira, the third body, which is present in the ideas as the composing entity like gold in jewels. The cosmic inert energy having very subtle nature, called as cosmic energy (space) is the cause for the third causal body (awareness), which (space) is called as the root-causal body or Mahaakaarana Sharira, the fourth body.

Beyond this fourth body, only unimaginable God exists. All these four bodies come under the category of creation or imaginable domain. Hence, if the soul is liberated from the fascination of worldly bonds related to the first gross body here, such liberation is called as jeevanmukti or liberation from fascination of worldly bonds related to first gross body. The next videhamukti doesn’t mean liberation from worldly bonds since worldly bonds continue after the death also. Only the bonds related to this earth-world are liberated. The bonds related to upper energetic world (like bonds with associating departed souls) start and hence, we can never say that the worldly bonds (existing as surrounding atmosphere) are totally removed.

If the fascination to worldly bonds disappears here as well as there while the bonds still exist around the soul in detached way, it is called as vimukti as said in the Veda (Yavat na vimokshye…). In such case, the soul exists as pure awareness without fascination to this world and upper world. Even though both worlds exist surrounding the soul, such total liberation from entire fascination to both worlds is called as vimukti (total liberation from both worlds).

The maximum stage of salvation up to which this soul can reach is the soul existing as pure awareness or third body, even though it is externally associated with both worlds. The soul can never reach the state of fourth body or space beyond which only unimaginable God exists. If the soul reaches the fourth state or space, the soul itself disappears being the awareness. The fourth state or space is subtle inert energy (aakaasha) only, which is generated from the unimaginable God.

Hence, the soul even in its ultimate third state also (existing in association with first and second bodies in this world and upper world respectively) is without any fascination since it is filled fully with the fascination to God only and this state is called as vimukti or ultimate salvation by the Veda. In this state only, God merges with the soul to become incarnation, which is the monism of Shankara.

Shri Paramahamsa told that even sage Shuka is travelling still in the infinite space (Mahaashunya), which means that the soul or pure awareness can never reach the fourth state to become inert, which means that the soul is converted into a state of inert stone as extreme punishment! Even if the soul becomes inert subtle cosmic energy and a stone (since awareness can become inert energy, which can become matter), it can’t be converted into unimaginable God. Conversion of imaginable in to unimaginable or vice-versa is impossible (Avyaktam vyaktimaapannam- Gita). The unimaginable God also generated the inert cosmic energy by unimaginable power only and this is not modification or physical conversion.

Hence, the soul in the third state while remaining as pure awareness merging with unimaginable God is the ultimate salvation, which does not mean the disappearance of association with both worlds, but, only means disappearance of total fascination to both worlds, which indirectly gives the estimation of total fascination of the soul to God. Even the unimaginable God is always associated with His creation (both worlds) and its bonds and is entertained continuously with bliss due to absence of fascination to this creation and its bonds.

In such case, this petty soul imagining actual detachment from world and its bonds is foolish! Shankara described God as always liberated (Nityamuktasvabhaavam) and this means only that God is always liberated from the fascination to world and not actually liberated from the world and its bonds.]



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*PRAYER POINTS ON TODAY'S OPEN HEAVENS:*

*(Tuesday, September 20, 2022)*

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(John 14:13-14; 15:16)

15.Thank you Father for answered prayers.
(1 Thessalonians 5:18).

#GodBlessOurNatio.......... as your own, someone's else writing or work. The original author of these prayer points is the Holy Spirit. So, share, but don't share His glory with Him in the process. Remain blessed, as you obey, in Jesus' name.

You pray God sincerely without asking His help in return. Your prayer must contain true love without aspiration for any fruit in return. You must leave the decision to God. God will solve all your problems.

Concentrate on the intensity of true love to God and in such process, you should not think anything about your problem. Your true love to God must be based on the attraction towards the personality of God and not on the attraction towards the fruit of your solution.
You must remember the example of a mad fan, who spends from his pocket for the glory of his pet cinema hero or pet political leader without any help from the other side and commits suicide on the death of his pet hero or political leader.

When there is no account between you and God, the response from God will be spontaneous. But, be sure that you are not following My advice based on the principle that God will respond quickly in this way. It should be a natural way of attraction towards God.

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You awaken tomorrow to find headlines around the world: Science has definitively proven that no god exists - anywhere in the universe. All the religious leaders concur.

How would your life be different?

Would you lose your job? Would your friends abandon you, or would you abandon friends? In what ways would how you spend your time change? Would your expectations for your future change - for the next day, next week, next month, next year, next decade? Would you suddenly lose talents?

Etc.

Brushing the question aside by claiming such a proof is impossible only ducks the question. Millions of atheists around the world enjoy fulfilling lives without needing a god in it, while many millions cannot envision a life without a god in it. What is it that a god adds that cannot be lived without?

Salvation (Mokṣa) is liberation of soul from the fascination to the worldly bonds. Close union (Sāyujya) is the tremendous attraction to God. First Mokṣa or Sāyujya?, is the question. Both are not mutually interdependent. Sāyujya is the main and sole aim of all the Spiritual effort. First is Sāyujya and Sāyujya is the entire goal. Once Sāyujya comes, Mokṣa is a spontaneous by-product. Mind can be attached to one God or multiple world only.
Mind can’t attach itself to both because the true attraction or real love or pure devotion can exist either with God or world. Of course, in the path of Spiritual effort, both the bonds co-exist. As the devotee is progressing in the Spiritual path, the bond with God is strengthened more and more and the bond with world is proportionally weakened more and more.
If you compare the starting and the ending points of Spiritual journey, in the starting point, the bond exists with the world only and in the ending point, the bond exists with God only. In between these two points, both bonds exist simultaneously with varying strengths during the journey.
In the initial state of Spiritual journey, an effort is to be put up to leave the worldly bonds and to attach to the bond with God. In this initial state, one has to try for Mokṣa from worldly bonds and Sāyujya with the bond of God. In this state, Jesus told that one shall hate the worldly bonds, which indicates the effort of the devotee to hate the worldly bonds. Here, the word “hate” indicates only a temporary detachment from the worldly bonds.
Jesus fixed the highest goal in this effort so that at least people will be successful in detaching from the worldly bonds temporarily. If the temporary detachment itself is suggested as the goal, the devotee will not be able to succeed even to get a trace of detachment. Such detachment from the worldly bonds is very essential in order to find time to attach with God through Spiritual meetings etc. There must be some effort to attain Sāyujya with God and to do this effort, some detachment from the worldly bonds is essential to find time to devote oneself to God.
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jiggaz:
If Salvation is eternal, what does the Bible mean when it said if we “sin wilfully” after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth there is no more sacrifice for our sins?
.........s’ eternal sacrifice for us and are saved forever from the coming wrath of God or indignation against sin.[/b]
I hope this blesses you.
Glory to God!

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Reformation is a golden opportunity given by God to us. It consists of three steps. The first step is related to knowledge. It is realization or jñāna yoga, which is identifying the sin through analysis. The second step is related to emotions and it involves sincere repentance before God with deep devotion to Him, which is bhakti yoga. The third and final step, is the practical step of karma yoga in which you should not repeat the same sin in your life. Many fail in the third step. It is of no use because the third step is practical and the first two steps are merely theoretical. A person can be said to be reformed only when he does not repeat the sin practically. Some clever people try to exploit this concept thinking that they will reform their souls, just before death! Such over-intelligence brings double punishment as no one can cheat God since He is omniscient!

It is perfectly correct to say that a soul cannot remain idle; simply keeping silent without doing any action. This is clearly told in the Gītā “Nahi kaścit kṣaṇamapi”. Even the Veda recommends action “Kurvanneveha karmāṇi…”. God never asks you to become inactive like an inert stone. Such inactivity is not only impossible but is also useless in the spiritual path. You have to learn both activity and inactivity in life. Inactivity should be applied in the context of doing or even desiring to do a sin.

In other words, one should avoid doing or even desiring to do a sin. Activity should be applied by ordinary human beings following pravṛtti in doing good deeds that help society. Activity should be applied by exceptional devotees following nivṛtti in doing God’s work. The Gītā stresses on both activity and inactivity in the context of these two separate paths respectively. In both these paths, you should do the work without getting attached to the fruit due to selfishness. When you are detached from the fruit of the work, you can do the work perfectly by concentrating your entire energy on the work (Karmaṇyevādhikāraste—Gītā).

Devotees like Śaṅkara, Meera etc. jumped straight to God’s work, avoiding all worldly work from their very childhood. It is a direct jump to salvation from the worldly bonds which is called as sākṣānmukti and is attained by forming a very strong bond with God. Devotees like Rāmānuja, Janaka etc., walked towards the same goal of salvation from worldly bonds passing through all the four states of life, which are known as the āśramas. This gradual walking towards the goal is called kramamukti and is applicable to the majority of human beings.
Severe Punishment Without a Serious Sin
Sometimes, we are punished here severely, even though we have not committed a sin, which is deserving of such a severe punishment. We get confused in such a situation thinking that God is cruel and a sadist. Such thinking is only due to our ignorance. In fact, the punishments for our sins are usually given only in the upper sub-world called hell. The reason is that we should not be disturbed in this sub-world called earth or Martya Loka while performing our worldly and divine duties. The upper worlds and sub-worlds are called bhoga lokas, which are places for enjoying the good and bad fruits of our deeds.
Earth, on the other hand is called a karma loka, which is a place for doing deeds. This is the general rule, but there are some exceptions to the rule. One exception is that intensive sins done here are punished here itself immediately. Another exception is that sometimes, the punishment for a sin committed in the previous birth is received here on earth. This happens in the case of killing animals for food. The killed animal thinks while dying that it too will kill the killer in the same way. So the animal of the previous birth is reborn as a butcher while the butcher and the consumers of the meat in the previous birth are born as animals and are killed by the butcher. In both these exceptions, the soul receives severe punishments here due to intensive sins committed previously in this birth or in the past birth respectively.
The case mentioned above, in which the soul is severely punished here in spite of not having done an equally severe sin in this birth, is different from the above two exceptions. In this case, since no severe sin has been done in this birth, as per the general rule, the soul should not be punished here for any sin done by it in the past birth. Why then is the soul punished here severely? This case is covered under another exceptional rule. Note that God is all-in-all. He is the Maker of the rules, and is beyond all the rules. Whenever He breaks any rule, it is only for some good purpose.
All these rules regarding a soul’s deeds and the rewards and punishments for the deeds are only for the soul’s reformation. God does not give any punishment to a soul out of revenge. He is the Doctor who is treating the patient. The soul is the patient, who is to be cured. Sometimes, God feels that a person will be benefited and his or her reformation will progress better if some punishment is given at a certain time. So, He brings to the present life, a punishment which the soul was supposed to face in a future lifetime. It is like the premature withdrawal of a deposit from a bank, which leads to a loss in the value of the deposit. So the punishment, when preponed to the present, reduces in value.
This is a benefit to the soul. Additionally, it accelerates the reformation of the soul. So, the soul gets a double benefit! This exception is made in the best interest of the soul. It is like the Supreme Doctor, God, deciding to increase the dosage of antibiotics for a patient, deviating from the regular treatment plan, to speed up the recovery of the patient. This exceptional rule, like all other rules related to the administration of the deeds of souls, clearly shows the loving kindness of God, the Divine Father for the souls, who are His children.
God gave freedom to all souls so that they could do whatever they felt was good. God helped the souls in determining what is good and what is bad by preaching to them through holy scriptures, holy devotees and holy Incarnations. Freedom means the complete freedom for all souls in this creation to act in any direction, without the slightest force on the mind, either here or in the upper worlds. God always preaches to every soul to bring the realization of the truth to the soul and to reform the soul. The soul is expected to realize and get reformed only through this knowledge introduced into the mind of the soul. It is the only way the soul can be saved. The only force used by God on the mind of a sinner is imparting knowledge. He does not use any physical force or miraculous power to reform the sinner. The king tries to reform the sinner through physical force in the form of punishment, but such reformation is only temporary. Even the horrible punishments in hell cannot reform the soul permanently. Eternal reformation can never be attained through punishment. In spite of this defect of punishment, it is still used to reform the soul temporarily. Only the spiritual knowledge given by God-in-human-form can bring an eternal reformation in a soul.

Generally, the cloud rains everywhere and the rain makes the seed present in fertile soil to grow up into a plant. But a seed fallen on rocky soil cannot give rise to a plant immediately in spite of a lot of rain. Devilish or demonic souls are like the rocks present here and there on earth. The God-cloud does not use His miraculous power to change the rocky soil into fertile soil since God never interferes with souls using any type of force.

Judas was like rocky soil. But due to his association with Jesus and continuously listening to His preaching, he realized, confessed his sin, and punished himself at the end. The priests of the temple never listened to the preaching of Jesus at all and so they never got reformed. They were like solid rocks. Judas was like soil having some rocky nature. So, the seed of reformation at least germinated in him, even though it germinated late.

For a person’s reformation, apart from the divine force of spiritual knowledge, the receptivity of the person’s mind is also important. There are some good souls with high receptivity for the knowledge. They are like good soil and they get reformed immediately on listening to the spiritual knowledge preached by the Human Incarnation of God.

Then there are some average souls, who are like rocky soil. They take some time to get reformed like Judas. Both these types of souls are reformed and saved. But there are some other souls like the priests who crucified Jesus, who have no hope of reformation at all. They are like solid rocks and they are condemned forever. This worst type of souls is punished in the liquid fire of hell forever. Their punishment is forever because such souls will never get reformed. They are kept aloof from mankind in the lives of wild animals, worms and so on (Tānahaṁ dviṣataḥ...—Gita). God’s attempts to reform are confined only to the first and second types of souls who are like good soil and rocky soil respectively. The moment a soul is reformed, it is saved forever.

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ObamaMessi:
I'm a very stubborn 19-yr-old boy and very troublesome. I just love violence and defying the authority seems like my daily bread. I've been sacked twice all because of my stubbornness. I've been dropped as headboy and expelled from school too. I've been poisone because I defied my mot.........o, Taraba. Pls how do I get rid of my stubbornness? I want to receive Jesus as my personal Lord and Saviour and make my ways right with God.

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future. When you ask some thing in present or some thing in the future, it clearly means that you are reminding Him about the corresponding reaction that is to be immediately implemented in the need. This indirectly means that God is not alert as you are.

This is insulting God. Due to such sin the requirement is not answered. If you are asking to protect yourself or somebody else, it indirectly means that He is not aware of the things to be done due to the irresponsibility and this also indicates that He is not as kind as yourself.

It means that God has potency to help but not kind enough to render the help. On contrary, it also means that you lack unfortunately the potency. It means if you fortunately have the potency you could have immediately responded and helped. Therefore, when ever you ask for anything it clearly means indirectly that God has some type of defect, which does not exist in your case.
When you ask Him to fulfill the desire it looks as if that your desire is constitutionally justified. But God is not positively reacting due to either lack of positive response immediately or due to lack of knowledge of the constitution or due to lack of kindness to help the needy. All these points are very very subtle. But God is the most subtle and therefore, the knowledge of this analysis will certainly restrict you from asking any fulfillment of your desire.

Never bring present and future before God. Confine to the past always before God. Look back at your past life. Hundreds of incidents are there where you were helped by God. Even if you dispose some incidents through the incidental probability of success or through the efficiency of your efforts, certainly there are plenty of instances in which the help from God is clearly evident. At least remember those few incidents and express your gratefulness along praise to God for His kind help that was already done.

The word Krutajnata means remembering the past help. Kruta means the past help done. Jna means identifying it by analysis. If you confine to praying the Lord and thanking Him always about the past helps from Him, the Lord will be immensely pleased. Then the present and future are spontaneously taken care of by the God. But do not adopt this technique with a mind that you will be helped by God in the present and in the future by following this procedure!

You should really follow this path and you should really forget the present and the future. When large number of people came to hear the message from Jesus, they were hungry by the noon. This point was brought to the notice of Jesus. He never asked God to provide food for those hungry people who came to hear God’s word.

Had He asked for that, He would have insulted God. God knows His responsibility very well towards the devotees who came there to hear about Him. God has the power to fulfill His responsibility even in the last fraction of second. Had Jesus told God to bless the devotees with food, it clearly means that God is not as kind as Jesus. Jesus never asked for any thing. He came to know that there were four breads. He took them and showed to sky. He thanked God for providing those four pieces of bread.

Immediately the present was responded and the four breads became four thousand breads. This application of analysis is limited to Nivrutti only. You should not extend this to Pravrutti. When you are hungry you have to beg the other souls because they are not omniscient to know that you are hungry. Pravrutti and Nivrutti should never be mixed.



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Akasha Tejah Prakaranam (The Topic on Space and Energy)

Note: This article is meant for intellectuals only

1. Ākāśaṃ śūnya māhuḥ ke, sāpekṣaṃ dravyaśaktisat |

Parasya sattayā syāttu, jagato'pekṣayā na saḥ ||

[Some say that space is absence of any existent thing, which is called as ‘emptiness’ or ‘void’ or ‘vacuum’. These people say that space is nothing or non-existent and is relatively existent only with reference to the existence of matter and energy. For these people, space is just conventional with respect to the rest world. This means that when matter and energy disappear, space also disappears spontaneously. With reference to the absolute existence of unimaginable God, the entire world is relatively real (which means that it is unreal by itself and real due to the gifted reality by God). In this angle, we also agree that space is relatively real just like the entire world.

In this angle, there is no objection at all from Our side. But some people say that space is relatively real with respect to the rest of the world, which means that space by itself is unreal and that its reality is the reality gifted by the rest of the world! This clearly means that space is unreal before the reality of matter and energy (rest of the world). The entire world is primary-relatively real and since space is one of the five elements of the world, We say that space is also primary-relatively real. But these people say that the world is primary-relatively real whereas space is secondary-relatively real. We object this concept.]

2. Tejo dravya cidanyo'yaṃ, ākāśaḥ sattayā samaḥ |
Jagadanyadabhāve'pi, svayamasti śruteśśrutaḥ ||

[These people say that when matter and energy disappear, space also spontaneously disappears since space is relatively real whereas matter and energy are absolutely real. The absolute reality of matter and energy is nothing but a primary-relative reality and the relative reality of space is nothing but a secondary-relative reality. This is just like saying that the relatively real world disappears spontaneously if the absolutely real God disappears (assumption).

This point is strongly opposed by Us. We say that even if matter and energy disappear, space exists without disappearing because space is as relatively real as matter and energy. Even if energy disappears, matter can exist. Similarly, even if matter and energy disappear, space can exist. The reason for this is that the Veda says that God created space in the beginning before creating any other item. This means that space can exist by itself even in the absence of matter and energy. If awareness is taken as a form of energy, space can exist even in the absence of awareness, matter and energy.]

3. Ākāśo'sti mahatvānna, svayaṃ nāsat sadeva saḥ |
Anyajagadvat dastyeṣa, sūkṣmaśaktiḥ svayaṃ yataḥ ||

[Here, the main point to be noted is that you need not say that the secondary-relative real space alone exists even in the absence of the rest of the world due to the omnipotence of the unimaginable God. This means that We are not saying that the omnipotent unimaginable God is maintaining the secondary-relative real space by virtue of His omnipotence because the secondary-relative real space can exist by itself based on scientific logical analysis itself. What is that logical analysis? That is – space is not secondary-relative real but, space is primary-relatively real like the rest of the world. In that case, is space energy? Matter? Awareness? The answer is that space is a very subtle form of energy.]

4. Caturbhūtavadākaśaḥ, śaktirūpaḥ na so'sti no |
Anyonyābhāva bahyo'pi, mūle nābhāva darśanam ||

[This means that space is also a primary-relatively real element like the other four elements, which are air, fire, water and earth. You may get a doubt that how space can be subtle energy since fire has already covered the item energy. Fire is gross energy and space is subtle energy. For that matter, all the five elements are forms of inert energy only. Matter is a form of energy. Even awareness, which is a specific work form is also a form of inert energy only. Similarly, space is a form of inert energy only.

No constituent of the creation is leftover, which is not a form of inert energy. The absence of space cannot be specially synthesized without affecting the existence of the rest of the creation. In this way, there is nothing like nothing in the fundamental phase of the creation. In the external objects, pot may not exist in cloth and cloth may not exist in pot. But, at the level of fundamental existence, either God’s absolute existence exists purely (before the creation) or along with it, the God gifted absolute existence of the creation (after creation) exists. There cannot be the existence of nothing at the fundamental level.]

5. Taraṅgadairghya sūkṣmatvāt, śakti bhūyastva mīkṣitam |
Vakratvāt paridhau kacci, dasat prabhavanāśagam? ||

[Subtle energy does not mean X-Rays etc., which are beyond the visible region in the electro-magnetic spectrum. The subtle nature of space means that its frequency is so high that its wave-length becomes so low that human mind or present instruments cannot grasp it. Due to such subtle wave-length or due to such high frequency, the value of energy possessed by vacuum is tremendously high. This explains the principle of production of galaxies of stars from space or vacuum. The bending of space around the boundary of the object proves that space is something and not nothing since nothing cannot bend. There is also an experiment in physics proving the vacuum energy. We have to ask these people that if space is nothing, how can it disappear at all? (They say that space disappears when matter and energy disappear.) When space is nothing, how was it generated at all?]

6. Jyāmite rna sadanyasya, naiko'sti kvaci dityaho! |
Ādyante śiṣṭa ākāśaḥ, śakti rna jānate svayam ||

[These people say that space is only geometrical, which is a conventional item with respect to the existence of the rest of the world so that space does not have at least the relative existence of the rest of the world (These people say that the space existing between two walls of a room called A and B disappeared while A and B disappeared. They say that the experience of this dissolution of space is not felt by you due to the existence of two other compound walls called C and D beyond A and B. The existence of space between C and D experienced by you doesn’t allow you to experience the dissolution of space between A and B. This point is imaginary because the distance between A and B, which already existed as a part of distance between C and D still continues to exist as a part of the distance between C and D.). This means that when the rest of the world disappears, space should naturally disappear. This means that at no time, space alone can exist independently without the rest of the world.

But the Veda says that the first scene of creation and the last scene of the dissolution (both are same scenes) show only the existence of space and nothing else. Such scene said by the Veda is true. It is not as imagined by these people. In fact, these people are unable to recognize the complete meaning of what they say because they don’t realize that space is subtle energy. If they recognize this fact, what they say would also be true since when matter and energy disappear and space alone exists, energy would not have disappeared completely since subtle energy remains in the form of space. What they say is true, but they are not realizing their statement completely!]

7. Śūnyamuktaṃ nopalabdheḥ, na dṛṣṭamiti Śaṅkaraḥ |
Vibhudravyaṃ tārkikāśca, sāṃkhyānāṃ paramāṇutā ||

[In the ancient Indian philosophies, space is told as absence (Gaganaṃ śūnyam- Amarakośa). But here, the absence means non-achievement or Anupalabdhi. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle says that the simultaneous values of position and momentum of the electron exist truly in the field of atom, but can’t be calculated simultaneously due to the crudeness of the measuring equipment. It means that something exists, but is not achieved due to its tremendous subtle nature. It appears as if nothing exists. Even Śaṅkara told that space is invisible, which does not mean absolutely non-existent (Apratyakṣe'pi hyākāśe…). Even ancient Indian logic-schools agree that space is a substance or dravya having all pervading nature or vibhu. Substance means that which has existence and not nothing. The school of Sāṃkhya further develops the quantization of space (Ākāśa paramāṇavaḥ).]

8. Teja ākāśayoraikyaṃ, Daivamūlādya sargataḥ |
Ākāśassūkṣma tejo hi, pratipakṣo nirākṛtaḥ ||

[In the Veda, it is told that God created space and energy as the first item. Since God is told as the cause, space and energy must be the first item of the creation. For the first item of the creation only, God is mentioned as the cause because there was no other item before the creation of the first item. For the second item, the first item is mentioned as the cause since first item exists apart from God. Even though, God is the real creator, in every step of the creation, since a created first item already exists generating the second item, the first item is given the credit of cause by God. Here, God is said to be the cause for space and energy. Two items can’t be the first item and hence, the two items must be one and the same item. Hence, space and energy are one and the same since space is a very subtle form of energy. In view of all this, the theory proposed that space is merely geometrical without even the relative existence of the world is untenable and is rejected.]
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Creation of Space and Energy by God

1. Is God dimensionally constrained by the imaginable creation?

[Shri Anil asked: Padanamaskaram Swami, The unimaginable God is surrounding the imaginable universe; in such a case, God is formed into a geometrical dimension having imaginable core as the universe (assuming the universe is like a sphere, God is surrounding the sphere like a wrap). Thus, God is dimensionally constrained by the imaginable creation. Kindly please answer this point. At Your Divine Lotus Feet-anil]


Swami replied:

When space is absent in God, we cannot say that the unimaginable God surrounded the imaginable sphere of universe like an external sphere. To say like that, we are provoked from the point of our faculty of understanding. Actually, this means that the unimaginable God exists everywhere around us in an unimaginable way. It is a mode of our assumption to represent like that for the sake of the convenience of our imagination. It is only in the effective sense and not in the physical sense. In this effective sense only, the Gita said that the unimaginable God is surrounding the universe (Sarvamāvṛtya tiṣṭhati). If we say that the unimaginable God surrounds us in an unimaginable way, the strain in understanding the concept becomes more complicated. Not only the nature of unimaginable God is unimaginable but the ways of His actions are also unimaginable. God Datta is not different from the unimaginable God. We can imagine that God Datta is surrounding the universe. But, here also, effective sense can be taken because God Datta need not surround the universe in physical sense. In effective sense, God Datta is surrounding the boundary of universe because God Datta is omnipotent due to unimaginable nature.

2. Why can’t the associated characteristics be the inherent characteristics of God?

[Shri Anil asked: Padanamaskaram Swami. Kindly give the answer to the following questions related to “Parabrahma Prakaranam”. At -Your Divine Lotus Feet-Anil. God’s associated characteristics are known but not His inherent characteristics. Creation, sustenance and destruction are some of the associated characteristic. Why are these characteristics not His inherent characteristics?]

Swami replied:

When an architect builds a wonderful mansion, do you say that the construction of the mansion is an inherent characteristic of the architect or an associated characteristic of the architect?

3. Shri Anil asked: How can it be said that both space and energy are the first items created in the beginning of creation itself?

Swami replied: Since space itself is subtle energy, we can say that space or subtle energy is created as the first item from which rest of the creation is created by God.

4. Why is it said that space and energy were created in the beginning by God and other items were evolved from its predecessors?

[Shri Anil asked: Why it is said that both first items (space and energy) were created in the beginning by God and other items like matter, gross energy, liquid, awareness etc. were evolved from each of its predecessors? For instance, for evolving gross energy to matter, some intelligence agency shall be there, how it can evolve itself without the external agency (God)?]

Swami replied:
The creation of energy or space from the unimaginable God is unimaginable. You can explain the creation of air molecules from energy by saying that matter is condensed energy. But, the actual process of condensation of energy into matter is not perfectly understood even by scientists. However, the process of condensation of energy into matter is quantitatively understood by E=Mc2. From air molecules, gross energy (fire) is generated. From fire, water is produced. There is again an unimaginable process regarding the production of liquid from fire and air. The most wonderful point is that hydrogen and oxygen molecules combine to give water, only in the presence of moisture as catalyst. Then, how was the first water (moisture) generated? From water, solid is generated and this is pure condensation that can be done by any scientist. Food generates awareness, but, the same food cannot generate awareness in a dead body.

On observing all this, the conclusions are i) The Unimaginable God created imaginable space or energy through unimaginable process. ii) From the first imaginable item, which is energy, the rest of the creation proceeds in a scientific way involving imaginable items. iii) Even though the imaginable domain is created and extended further, now and then, unimaginable miracles are exhibited here and there. All these steps can be understood in the angle of the creation of the imaginable domain for the sake of entertainment of God and for this purpose only, awareness is created and souls are generated.

The entertainment drama contains both inert items as well as non-inert items called roles in which the permanent actors enact the play. God created both the unimaginable (miraculous powers) and imaginable domains so that both the domains get recognition and significance. Since souls are imaginable and part of the imaginable creation, the imaginable domain is handed over to the soul-issues. God also helped the souls in discovering the various physical laws of the imaginable domain, which were created by Himself. God kept the unimaginable domain (miraculous powers) with Him as His personal share of property. The Father has divided the property between Himself and the soul-issues. The soul is not satisfied with his imaginable domain-property share and is craving for the property of his Father to attain the miraculous powers and become God. If this aspiration is absent and even then, if the love of God continues without aspiring for anything in return from God, such love is the real devotion by which God is extremely pleased and merges with such a rare soul so that the soul becomes God.

Even without aspiration, the soul is getting the entire status of God along with all the powers. The entire aim of the whole play of creation is only to find out such exceptional souls having real love towards God. On experiencing such real love, God becomes an infinite ocean of bliss and this point alone is the main aim of the creation. It should not be misunderstood that God is simply wishing to entertain Himself by killing time in some way or the other so that the boredom of loneliness is removed. Such aim is very cheap and may fit to an ordinary human being but not to the omnipotent God. Unless, you understand this main aim of God, you cannot understand the plan of mixing imaginable and unimaginable items in the process of creation of this universe. The aim of God is not merely time pass since He was suffering with boredom of loneliness.

The Veda says that God was not entertained in monism and wanted entertainment in dualism (Ekākī na ramate sa dvitīyamaicchat). These two statements have deep meaning of the concept. By this, you cannot compare God to an ordinary human king going for hunting the deer even though he was not in requirement of the meat of the deer (Lokavattu - Brahasūtram). If this is said to be the bliss of human level (mānuṣa ānanda), the divine bliss of God is far far higher (Sa eko Brahmaṇa ānandaḥ). Even though God was enjoying the ocean of bliss in monism, He wanted to enjoy the bliss in dualism as a different variety. In the bliss of monism, He is loving Himself. In the bliss of dualism, He is loved by the devotee and in return He loves the devotee. This bliss of dualism is more attractive. Prahlada, Meera etc., are such examples of climax love without aspiration of any fruit in return. To achieve the taste of such dualistic love, God created the entire drama containing all other filler details. Even though you enjoy the climax scene of the cinema, the entire show of the cinema is to be seen for the sake of that special climax scene.

In view of all this final climax, God arranged the tendencies of souls in such a way that they are attracted by the miraculous powers of God and among such souls a search is done for the soul having true climax love towards God. When such a rare devotee is found, God is very much pleased with such dualistic love and exchanges His dualistic love also in return so that the climax of happiness is experienced by God as a different variety in dualism. Hence, unimaginable and imaginable items get mixed with each other for the sake of attraction of devotees and such attraction has no place in true love. In this way, there is a very big plan of God about the play of entertainment even from the beginning of creation. This point is a very deep point that can be understood by devotees on thinking in a careful and detailed manner.

5. Can God not maintain space without matter and awareness?

[Shri Anil asked: Einstein says that space is nothing, it is only geometrical. As per his theory, if matter disappears, space also disappears (It indirectly means that God cannot maintain space without matter and awareness, except this one power God possesses all other powers!!) But God is more authoritative than Einstein. Swami supports Vedic thinking. Knowledge present in the Veda is presented by God who passed through the beginning of creation, creation process etc; Einstein existed later on. Kindly explain these points.]



Swami replied:

Please read the topic on space and energy presented in ‘the knowledge of God’ (Brahmajñānam).

6. Shri Anil asked: Space consists of a higher frequency energy than X rays, Gamma rays etc. Please elaborate.

Swami replied:

Please refer the above topic.

7. Shri Anil asked: The mahapralaya or dissolution process is exactly in reverse to the creation process. Kindly explain.

Swami replied:
The generation of space is the first scene in creation and the disappearance of space is the last scene in the dissolution.

8. In nuclear reactors, only a small fraction of mass defect is converted into energy. Kindly explain this concept in more detail.


[Shri Anil asked: Scientists cannot produce matter in the laboratory (as per the equation E = mc2). In the nuclear reactor, only a very small fraction of mass defect as the binding energy is converted into energy. Kindly explain this concept in more detail.]


Swami replied: [/b]The formula pertaining to converting mass into energy and reverse is found out by scientists by the grace of God. But this conversion is not practically in the hands of the scientists and hence, no scientist can produce matter from cosmic energy.

9. Ancient logic and science are proved wrong in different contexts. How to correlate these two?

[Shri Anil asked: Padanamaskaram Swami. Kindly answer the following questions, at Your Divine Lotus Feet -anil. Swami You proved that science is wrong in stating that space does not have an independent existence (It depends on the existence of mass and gross energy). But ancient logic also made some mistakes e.g. stating that sound travels through vacuum. There science has proved that the concept is wrong. How to correlate these two aspects?]


[b]Swami replied:
If ancient logic is wrong and science is correct, we agree to it without any hesitation. But, when the reverse happens, you should also agree without any hesitation. Such a tendency is essential for the seeker of the truth.

10. What is the spiritual significance of the concept that space is not nothing but subtle energy?

[Shri Anil asked: What is the spiritual significance of the concept that space is not nothing but subtle energy? Is it purely a subject of science? What is the use of this concept in the spiritual line?]

Swami replied: Science does a thorough analysis of the creation and such analysis is related to spiritual knowledge also so that we know that no item of creation is God by any chance. Space is directly generated from God as the first imaginable item. Analysis of space helps us understand the nature of God (associated characteristics only).

11. Is God the cause for items created after space or is it just Evolution?

[Shri Ganesh V asked: Padanamskaram Swamiji, During the Satsang on 30th April 2022, You said that God is the cause for the creation of Space and Energy alone. God is not the cause for the creation of Air. But without God's grace, evolution cannot happen. So that should mean God should be the cause for all parts of the creation. I am a little confused here. Please enlighten me on this point. At Your divine feet, Ganesh V]

Swami replied: God is the cause in every step of the creation. God created air from space. The creator is only God and not the space. God created air through space. God gives the credit of causation to space.

MaxInDHouse:
Hell simply means Grave there is no thought or knowledge in the grave (Hell) where all humans are going! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Reformation is a golden opportunity given by God to us. It consists of three steps. The first step is related to knowledge. It is realization or jñāna yoga, which is identifying the sin through analysis. The second step is related to emotions and it involves sincere repentance before God with deep devotion to Him, which is bhakti yoga. The third and final step, is the practical step of karma yoga in which you should not repeat the same sin in your life. Many fail in the third step. It is of no use because the third step is practical and the first two steps are merely theoretical. A person can be said to be reformed only when he does not repeat the sin practically. Some clever people try to exploit this concept thinking that they will reform their souls, just before death! Such over-intelligence brings double punishment as no one can cheat God since He is omniscient!

It is perfectly correct to say that a soul cannot remain idle; simply keeping silent without doing any action. This is clearly told in the Gītā “Nahi kaścit kṣaṇamapi”. Even the Veda recommends action “Kurvanneveha karmāṇi…”. God never asks you to become inactive like an inert stone. Such inactivity is not only impossible but is also useless in the spiritual path. You have to learn both activity and inactivity in life. Inactivity should be applied in the context of doing or even desiring to do a sin.

In other words, one should avoid doing or even desiring to do a sin. Activity should be applied by ordinary human beings following pravṛtti in doing good deeds that help society. Activity should be applied by exceptional devotees following nivṛtti in doing God’s work. The Gītā stresses on both activity and inactivity in the context of these two separate paths respectively. In both these paths, you should do the work without getting attached to the fruit due to selfishness. When you are detached from the fruit of the work, you can do the work perfectly by concentrating your entire energy on the work (Karmaṇyevādhikāraste—Gītā).

Devotees like Śaṅkara, Meera etc. jumped straight to God’s work, avoiding all worldly work from their very childhood. It is a direct jump to salvation from the worldly bonds which is called as sākṣānmukti and is attained by forming a very strong bond with God. Devotees like Rāmānuja, Janaka etc., walked towards the same goal of salvation from worldly bonds passing through all the four states of life, which are known as the āśramas. This gradual walking towards the goal is called kramamukti and is applicable to the majority of human beings.

Severe Punishment Without a Serious Sin

Sometimes, we are punished here severely, even though we have not committed a sin, which is deserving of such a severe punishment. We get confused in such a situation thinking that God is cruel and a sadist. Such thinking is only due to our ignorance. In fact, the punishments for our sins are usually given only in the upper sub-world called hell. The reason is that we should not be disturbed in this sub-world called earth or Martya Loka while performing our worldly and divine duties. The upper worlds and sub-worlds are called bhoga lokas, which are places for enjoying the good and bad fruits of our deeds.

Earth, on the other hand is called a karma loka, which is a place for doing deeds. This is the general rule, but there are some exceptions to the rule. One exception is that intensive sins done here are punished here itself immediately. Another exception is that sometimes, the punishment for a sin committed in the previous birth is received here on earth. This happens in the case of killing animals for food. The killed animal thinks while dying that it too will kill the killer in the same way. So the animal of the previous birth is reborn as a butcher while the butcher and the consumers of the meat in the previous birth are born as animals and are killed by the butcher. In both these exceptions, the soul receives severe punishments here due to intensive sins committed previously in this birth or in the past birth respectively.
The case mentioned above, in which the soul is severely punished here in spite of not having done an equally severe sin in this birth, is different from the above two exceptions. In this case, since no severe sin has been done in this birth, as per the general rule, the soul should not be punished here for any sin done by it in the past birth. Why then is the soul punished here severely? This case is covered under another exceptional rule. Note that God is all-in-all. He is the Maker of the rules, and is beyond all the rules. Whenever He breaks any rule, it is only for some good purpose.

All these rules regarding a soul’s deeds and the rewards and punishments for the deeds are only for the soul’s reformation. God does not give any punishment to a soul out of revenge. He is the Doctor who is treating the patient. The soul is the patient, who is to be cured. Sometimes, God feels that a person will be benefited and his or her reformation will progress better if some punishment is given at a certain time. So, He brings to the present life, a punishment which the soul was supposed to face in a future lifetime. It is like the premature withdrawal of a deposit from a bank, which leads to a loss in the value of the deposit. So the punishment, when preponed to the present, reduces in value.
This is a benefit to the soul. Additionally, it accelerates the reformation of the soul. So, the soul gets a double benefit! This exception is made in the best interest of the soul. It is like the Supreme Doctor, God, deciding to increase the dosage of antibiotics for a patient, deviating from the regular treatment plan, to speed up the recovery of the patient. This exceptional rule, like all other rules related to the administration of the deeds of souls, clearly shows the loving kindness of God, the Divine Father for the souls, who are His children.
God gave freedom to all souls so that they could do whatever they felt was good. God helped the souls in determining what is good and what is bad by preaching to them through holy scriptures, holy devotees and holy Incarnations. Freedom means the complete freedom for all souls in this creation to act in any direction, without the slightest force on the mind, either here or in the upper worlds. God always preaches to every soul to bring the realization of the truth to the soul and to reform the soul. The soul is expected to realize and get reformed only through this knowledge introduced into the mind of the soul. It is the only way the soul can be saved. The only force used by God on the mind of a sinner is imparting knowledge. He does not use any physical force or miraculous power to reform the sinner. The king tries to reform the sinner through physical force in the form of punishment, but such reformation is only temporary. Even the horrible punishments in hell cannot reform the soul permanently. Eternal reformation can never be attained through punishment. In spite of this defect of punishment, it is still used to reform the soul temporarily. Only the spiritual knowledge given by God-in-human-form can bring an eternal reformation in a soul.

Generally, the cloud rains everywhere and the rain makes the seed present in fertile soil to grow up into a plant. But a seed fallen on rocky soil cannot give rise to a plant immediately in spite of a lot of rain. Devilish or demonic souls are like the rocks present here and there on earth. The God-cloud does not use His miraculous power to change the rocky soil into fertile soil since God never interferes with souls using any type of force. Judas was like rocky soil. But due to his association with Jesus and continuously listening to His preaching, he realized, confessed his sin, and punished himself at the end. The priests of the temple never listened to the preaching of Jesus at all and so they never got reformed. They were like solid rocks. Judas was like soil having some rocky nature. So, the seed of reformation at least germinated in him, even though it germinated late.

For a person’s reformation, apart from the divine force of spiritual knowledge, the receptivity of the person’s mind is also important. There are some good souls with high receptivity for the knowledge. They are like good soil and they get reformed immediately on listening to the spiritual knowledge preached by the Human Incarnation of God. Then there are some average souls, who are like rocky soil. They take some time to get reformed like Judas. Both these types of souls are reformed and saved. But there are some other souls like the priests who crucified Jesus, who have no hope of reformation at all. They are like solid rocks and they are condemned forever. This worst type of souls is punished in the liquid fire of hell forever. Their punishment is forever because such souls will never get reformed. They are kept aloof from mankind in the lives of wild animals, worms and so on (Tānahaṁ dviṣataḥ...—Gita). God’s attempts to reform are confined only to the first and second types of souls who are like good soil and rocky soil respectively. The moment a soul is reformed, it is saved forever.
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UNIVERSAL SPIRITUALITY

God gives value for the spiritual knowledge contained in the religion. Religion is the external cup and spiritual knowledge is the internal material supplied to the customer in the hotel. The customer pays for the internal material and not for the external cup. The sweet Payasam in the cheap ceramic cup will have high payment. The cheap drinking water given in costly golden cup has no payment at all.

The customer takes the material only and not the container. Similarly, the spiritual knowledge alone follows the soul from birth to birth and not the religion. When the external body is left over here, the soul raises up in a new energetic body. The soul in the new energetic body is associated with the spiritual knowledge alone but not with the religion.

A Christian after leaving the external body does not remember that he is Christian. Similar is a Hindu, similar is a Muslim and similar is the human being of any religion. When the soul goes up, it stands before God and is enquired irrespective of its religion. Only its service to the world under the guidance of God is counted. Just like you come out of the hotel with the Payasam in your stomach, leaving the cup in the hotel, you will go up along with spiritual knowledge leaving the religion in this world.

Only the good and bad works done by you will have the corresponding fruits, whatever may be your religion. There is no Hindu heaven, Christian heaven, Islamic heaven etc. There is only one heaven to enjoy the fruits of your good deeds. Similarly, there is no Hindu hell, Christian hell, Islamic hell etc. There is only one hell to enjoy the fruits of your bad deeds.

The ignorant people are fond of the external culture, language and religion. They pay for the external cup and not for the internal material. You give value to the external religion, which you have to leave in this world. You pay a lot of money for the cheap drinking water given to you in the golden cup! You do not want to pay for the Payasam since it is given in ceramic cup!

What a great foolishness is this! You do not pay for the material that enters your stomach! You want to pay for the material of the cup, which is to be left over in the hotel itself! You praise the external cup and do not give value to the internal material. You are proud of your religion, heritage and external culture. You are never bothered about the internal material.

Taking the Good Aspects of All Religions

In every religion, there are good traditions as well as bad traditions. A good tradition is to be decided by the value of the internal material or spiritual knowledge and similarly, a bad tradition. You have to take good traditions and reject bad traditions based on the internal material, even though the external religious tradition is common.

You should not praise all the traditions of your religion blindly without examining and analyzing the internal content. Similarly, you should not discard the traditions of other religions without analyzing the internal content. Your religion may be costly gold. Another religion may be cheap ceramic. You should not blindly accept all the golden cups. One golden cup may have a good medicine in it, which is useful for your health.

Another golden cup may have poison, which may harm your health. You should not drink both medicine and poison due to your passion for gold. You should distinguish both the golden cups based on the analysis of internal material. Sometimes, you may have poison in golden cup and good medicine in ceramic cup. You have to reject the golden cup and accept the ceramic cup. Similarly, you may have to reject a wrong tradition of your religion and must accept a good tradition of other religion. You must not say that all the golden cups contain medicine and all the ceramic cups contain poison.

In every religion, there are both good and bad traditions. Some golden cups contain medicine and some golden cups contain poison. Since you belong to the gold group, you must not say that all golden cups contain medicine only. Same is case with ceramic cups. If you are capable of rejecting the golden cup containing poison and capable of accepting ceramic cup containing medicine, you belong to the Universal Spirituality.

Our Universal Spirituality is a religion of medicine irrespective of the external cups. Sometimes, we may give you the medicine in the golden cup and sometimes, we may give you the same medicine in ceramic cup. We will quote the scripture of any religion to preach the same spiritual concept.

We are not bothered about the external material of cup, which is the religion. We are bothered only about the internal material, which is the spiritual knowledge. The word Universal Spirituality means that the spiritual knowledge or medicine is one and the same irrespective of the external religion or cup. We don’t mind criticizing a golden cup if it contains poison. We don’t mind to praising a ceramic cup if it contains medicine.

Develop Courage and a Broad Mind

I belong to Hindu religion. It does not mean that I will praise every tradition of My religion. I have the courage to criticize the bad tradition of My religion and reject it. I have the broad mind to praise a good tradition of another religion. When I praise the good tradition of My religion, you should not misunderstand Me that I am a fan of My religion. If I criticize a bad tradition of My religion, I should not be condemned by you as a critic of My own religion.

I praise the chaste Sita of My religion but criticize the unchaste Ahalya of My religion, who is the wife of a great ancient sage dressed in saffron cloth with pious garlands of beads. People think that Gautama (husband of Ahalya) cursed her even though she was deceived by Indra, who came in disguise of Gautama. This is wrong. Gautama could see the fact by his super powerful vision. Ahalya met Indra knowing that he is Indra in disguise (Devarajamtu vijnaya… Ramayana).

Kamandalu is a pious vessel of My religion. But, if it contains beer, I will not respect it. Similarly, the chaste Desdimona of a foreign religion is appreciated by Me even though she was the wife of the most ugly black Othello. Her external dress may be western pants and shirts. Because she belongs to another religion and culture, I should not criticize her and I should not praise Ahalaya since she belongs to My religion. There may be a bottle labeled with the word ‘beer’.

But, it may contain the divine water of river Ganga. Based on the external label and the glass material of the bottle, I should not say that it contains only beer. Similarly, I may criticize the prostitute of a foreign religion. This does not mean that My criticism is based on the point that she is a foreign lady. You should judge the value based on the internal Samskara that is established by the spiritual knowledge.
You should not base your conclusions on the external aspects like region, religion, language, external habits of food, dress and style etc. You should not be fond of the external aspects like religion, culture, nationality, caste, gender, age etc. I belong to the caste of Brahmins but I condemn Ravana, who is a Brahmin and worship Rama, who is a non-Brahmin. I belong to masculine gender. I don’t appreciate Ravana or Duryodhana, who are men. I praise Sita, who is a woman. I am an old man but I praise Prahalada, who is a boy and condemn Dhrutarastra, who is also an old man.

When all the people in the world become the members of Universal Spirituality, peace will exist everywhere. If the world is peaceful, the stage or the foundation is strong. Therefore, God gives priority to establish this stage or Pravrutti (Dharmasamsthapanaarthaya—Gita). Nivrutti or pleasing God is the drama that is enacted on this strong stage. If you spoil Pravrutti, God becomes furious with you. In such case, you cannot dream of Nivrutti, which is pleasing the God.

Truth is always universal. Spiritual knowledge is truth and cannot be influenced by the external traditions of religion. A true tradition must be respected, whether it is of your religion or of other religion. The concepts of Science are true and Universal, irrespective of region and religion.

Both the scientific discoveries of foreign Einstein and Indian Raman are true concepts and are adopted in practical applications of our life. The spiritual concepts given by God are also universal since God is Universal. Do not follow blindly since they are your traditions or condemn blindly the traditions of others. If you analyze, the concept is one and the same in the good traditions of all religions.

The Gita says that you will laugh at the blind traditions if you analyze with your sharp intelligence (Buddhyayukto yaya partha karmabandham prahasyasi…). It is said that all old is not gold and all new is not bad (Puraanamityeva nasadhusarvam nachapisarvam navamityavadyam…). You have to analyze both and take good rejecting bad (Santah parikshyaanyatarat bhajante…). A fool follows either old or new completely rejecting the other (Mudhah parapratyayaneyabuddhih…). This rigid fool, a conservative, drinks salty hard water from a well stating that the well was dug by his ancestors (Tatasya kupoyamitibruvaanaah ksharamjalam kapurushah pibanti…).
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Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have changed post from second coming to Saving which was not the issue.

Jesus has to come in every human generation then alone is He impartial God.

OkCornel:
In the scriptures, we attain ultimate devotion to the Uncreated One by walking in the Spirit.

Then we bear fruits of the Spirit such as love, self control etc.

Our spirit becomes one in partnership with the Spirit of the Uncreated One. All we do is trust and obey.

The point here is not to achieve this state of being free of the aspiration for any fruit in return with effort, but to attain this state in a natural and effortless manner. Take the case of our love for our children. Our love for them is real. We practically serve them and we sacrifice our money for them without expecting anything in return from them. Our practical service and the sacrifice of our money to them proves the genuineness of our love for them. The service and the sacrifice can be said to be our practical love for them. We do not even expect anything from them in return and continue our practical service and sacrifice to them even if they behave badly with us. This aspiration-free real love that we have for our children is natural.

It is not produced artificially by effort. We should feel such aspiration-free real love for God naturally. Such love arises spontaneously when we are impressed by His divine personality, which becomes known to us through spiritual knowledge. If we have to make efforts to develop such love for God, it not real and natural love. Instead, such effort is linked to our aspiration for some fruit from Him. It means that our real and natural love is only for our children. It also means that we are lying in our prayers to God when we say that God is above all worldly bonds for us or that God is higher than anybody or anything! We can fool any human being by telling lies, but not God!
Let us not say that it is impossible to love God without expecting anything in return. The word ‘impossible’ is an utter lie since we certainly love our children without any expectation. Would anyone believe if I were to say that I can lift a hill only in Mumbai and not in Delhi? If it is impossible, I should not be able to lift the hill in any place. But if it is possible in one place, how can I say that it is impossible in another place? So, we should frankly admit that we have real love only for our children and not for God. Our unreal love for God is based on the aspiration for some fruit in return.

Such aspiration-filled devotion for God is either prostitution-devotion or business-devotion. In the former type of devotion, we try to achieve practical boons from God in exchange for our words and mental feelings of devotion. Thus, prostitution devotion is expecting practical boons from God in exchange for our theoretical devotion. In the latter type of devotion, we try to achieve practical boons from God in exchange for some practical service and the sacrifice of some money. Thus, business devotion is expecting practical boons from God in exchange for our practical devotion.

We cannot say that even our devotion to our children is based on the aspiration for some fruit in return, such as the aspiration to be served during our old age. This is not true. Even if our children refuse to serve us in our old age, we neither change our will written in their favor nor do we keep silent if they require any urgent help from us at any time. At the most, we may scold them for their ungratefulness. But our true love for them, which is practically proved through our service and sacrifice for them, never changes!

We are afraid of the risk in serving God and sacrificing our wealth to Him without the aspiration for any fruit in return. We think “What if God does not help me in my time of need? All my efforts in serving Him and the wealth sacrificed to Him would be for nothing!” This is the exact point where we slip from the path! We have total confidence in our children, who are mere human beings, but we do not have even a bit of confidence in the omnipotent God! Our children are human beings having very little power, while God is omnipotent. You think that the omnipotent God will not help you even though you have shown your love for Him practically through service and sacrifice. It means you are assuming that God is ungrateful! How did you assume that God has such a poor character? Sometimes, our grown-up children are ungrateful to us. Even though they are capable of rendering service to us in our old age they do not serve us. They do not reciprocate the real love that we have for them. The reason for their lack of real love for us and the resulting ungratefulness is their ignorance. Due to ignorance, they have directed their real love towards other blind bonds instead of us. In other cases, the grown-up children might have difficulties of their own. Hence, they might be incapable of practically reciprocating our real love towards them. Thus, souls could be ignorant or incapable of rendering service to us in reciprocation.

But the omniscient and omnipotent God has no reason to unnecessarily avoid helping us in our difficulties. It is true that sometimes He does not help us and remains silent even when we are facing difficulties. The reason is that difficulties reform the soul and improve one’s devotion to God. Unless we are reformed, we will continue to rotate in the endless cycle of sins and punishments. So, God’s decision is always the best. Whether He helps us in our difficulties or whether He remains silent, it is for our greatest benefit. In whichever way He responds, He is always helping us.

We should establish a relationship with God based on real love. In real love, one does not keep accounts. There is no balance sheet, no debit and credit. If you keep accounts between you and God, it is not real love, it is business. Such devotion is called business devotion. Real love is not based on keeping accounts and such real love is eternal. Draupadi cried for help when she was being declothed in the royal court. God Krishna supplied unlimited saris to her without keeping accounts. Earlier, when His finger was cut, Draupadi, without hesitating, had torn her sari and used the piece of cloth to bandage His finger. If God Krishna had kept accounts, even after adding a lot of interest, the piece of cloth could never have become more than one sari!

The young son gives his salary in the hands of his mother. The husband gives his salary in the hands of his wife. The mother or the wife looks after all the needs and comforts of the son or the husband respectively. No account balance sheet is maintained for the amount of the salary handed over and the amount of comfort provided. No party aspires for any fruit in return from the other party. We should establish such a bond of real love with God. The mother or the wife is not omnipotent and might not be capable of providing all the comforts needed by the person. Both are ignorant and might not even be able to understand the person’s requirements each time. But God is omnipotent and omniscient. Sometimes, when the omnipotent and omniscient God remains silent even when we are facing difficulties, we should realize that there must be some very important valid reason for His silence. In such situations, His silence is undoubtedly in our best interest.
In this real love, which is not based on an account balance sheet, our love should be really real. What I mean is that our love should be real both inside and outside.

A certain devotee tried to develop such real love for God. He served God and sacrificed his wealth to God without aspiring for any fruit in return. Later, when the devotee faced some difficulties, God kept silent. This devotee said to God that he had expected unlimited love from God in reciprocation of his unlimited love for God! This statement made by him shows that his love for God was real only externally. Internally, it was unreal!

We must have real faith in God because He is omniscient. He knows our requirements even without our asking. He is omnipotent to meet any of our requirements, unlike other human souls. We have full faith in the ignorant and powerless humans, who are related to us. But we do not have even a bit of faith in the all-knowing, all-powerful and infinitely kind God. Is it not the height of blind foolishness?

OkCornel:
Loving God without expecting anything in return! That’s unconditional love.

Something close to that is the love a mother has for her newborn babe.

Truth and religion are not the same thing. Hopefully, mankind would be enlightened enough by the spirit of truth to understand this.

As I’ll always say;

“Take away the law, take away religion. Take away the fear of hell and the hope of heaven. Take away the prisons. If you cannot love God and your fellow human without incentives or fear of punishment, you’re a hypocrite”

You are right one shall love God rather than fear Him. The end goal of pravrutti(wordly life) is to bring down the strength of worldly bonds (with family and wealth) to the minimum level so that the sins (like illegal sex and corruption of money) are not done due to over-attraction to the worldly bonds. The end goal of Nivrutti is to reach the climax in the strength of single bond with God so that all the worldly bonds totally disappear. The goal of pravrutti can be reached in two ways:

1) Path of fear: Avoiding sins due to the fear for hell there and due to fear for God here also. Intensive sins are punished by God in this world and in this present birth itself. Other sins are punished by God in the hell after death. In this path, control in doing sins is obtained through fear only.

2) Path of devotion: Sins are avoided only due to devotion to God. Sins are not done because God is displeased. Since God is loved, the sins are avoided since we do not like to displease God whom we love so much.

By any one of the above two paths, the end goal of pravrutti (controlling sins) can be reached. But, if you are in the first path of fear, you cannot enter Nivrutti, the second stage after coming to the end of pravrutti. Hence, you do not have chance for Nivrutti in which God takes care of your entire protection like the mother cat carrying its child by mouth grip (marjala kishora nyaya). After achieving the goal of pravrutti, you have to stand on your efforts only. If you slip anywhere, at any time, from the path of justice, you will be punished as per the divine rule. You have to stand by the grip of your effort only with continuous caution like the child of monkey catching the womb of its mother during journey (markata kishora nyaya). But, if you reach the goal of pravrutti by the second path of devotion, you can enter Nivrutti with the same devotion, which is strengthened more and more in the phase of Nivrutti.

Devotion during the journey in pravrutti is like a passenger train whereas the same devotion train becomes express in Nivrutti (like Simhadri train is passenger from Guntur to Vijayawada and becomes express from Vijayawada to Vizag). In the path of devotion, there is no need of any change since it is a direct train travelling in both pravrutti and Nivrutti (same train from Guntur to Vijayawada). If you have reached the goal of pravrutti by the path of fear, you have to change the train and catch the path of advanced devotion running like express train. Therefore, if you control the sins due to devotion on God and not due to fear for God in pravrutti, it is the best and very convenient journey by a single train starting from the beginning of pravrutti up to the end of Nivrutti. However, reaching the goal of pravrutti is very important from the point of peace and balance of the world created by God. Any owner of an industry always wishes that his industry should run peacefully without any disturbance. Thus, the goal of pravrutti is the foremost aim of God. God in any human form appearing at any region of the Earth necessarily preaches the achievement of the goal of pravrutti to all the humanity without any exception. An employee pleasing the owner of industry personally is not mandatory to every soul (employee) and hence, Nivrutti is only secondary.

Pravrutti is forced on every human being in this world whereas Nivrutti is forced on God by a few devotees only. Hence, you must start the journey by single train of devotion, which is the best way to reach the end goal of Nivrutti. Elders say that one should have either fear (bhaya) or devotion (bhakti) to achieve some immediate goal, but, devotion is far better than fear. An atheist has neither fear nor devotion and will be responsible for the total destruction of humanity through his/her foolish and ignorant concept of atheism.

-By Shri Datta Swami
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

OkCornel:
@dattaswami1, this one got me;

Even Satan is an employee in His kingdom. This creation is created by Him for His entertainment. In a cinema, not only is the hero remunerated, but also the villain. Satan is used to test the devotees through his attractions. Thus Satan is required in the spiritual effort of the human being. In answering a multiple choice question, there are three wrong answers along with one correct answer. The three wrong answers represent Satan, which appear more correct and attract the mind. The power of discrimination of the student becomes more significant only in the presence of such wrong answers. What is the significance of happiness without misery? Nothing and none can oppose the Lord. Satan is required for His divine game.

'Satan' means side attracting thoughts arising in us which take us away from God to the world. God and world are quite opposite to each other, if you love the world and its relations then you are against God. You cannot serve God and world together. You cannot put your both legs on 2 boats at the same time.

One shall love God and serve God treating Him as their own son without expecting anything in return from Him. Serving God is the sole aim of human life.

PoliteActivist:
This is what happens when you try to apply limited human logic to devine issues - you end up confusing yourself. The Bible spells everything out clearly. See below. Also, hope you've accepted that Krishna was not like Lord Jesus

See God or Heavenly Father alone came as Jesus to preach and uplift the humanity. Those who followed His preaching and loved HIm over anything in this world, such people got salvation. They are His disciples mostly. Those disciples could see God Jesus directly with their own eyes and they listened the divine knowledge coming out of His mouth directly without any middle men and they also could live with God Jesus, touched Him. Thus God Jesus gave all these facilities to them.


Since God Jesus is an impartial God, He comes to us in every human generation known as Human incarnation of God. Otherwise He become partial only to one generation alone.

Answer:
An Industrialist created a factory in which inanimate items and non-inanimate workers exist. The factory is His property. All the workers need not be good and disciplined. The owner comes to the factory every day to supervise the workers. The owner is visiting His own property. Is there something abnormal in this? If the owner is visiting the factory of somebody else, we may be interested to know the reason. Moreover, some employees desire to see the owner everyday to discuss with him about their doubts face to face. The owner feels that face to face talks are more effective than talking over phone. The presence of the owner inspires them to work more efficiently.

Similarly, this creation is done by God Himself and this creation is His personal property. He has every right to visit and supervise His own property. He is not visiting the creation of somebody else. There is a special satisfaction among ardent devotes to see Him, to talk with Him directly for clearing their doubts, to touch His feet and serve Him and to spend their life time with Him. God also feels happy to satisfy them and feels that His personal visit will inspire them more in their spiritual progress. Hence, God visits this creation frequently in the form of human incarnations. God is called as ‘Pashupati’ (owner of animals like cows, buffaloes, bulls, donkeys etc.) and we must note that the human being is said to be a social animal.

PoliteActivist:
You'd seem to be the one making foolish interpretations. See below, tge Bible spells out clearly the manner of the second comming.
Also Krishna never said he'd enter anyone's heart, or forgive anyone's sins or he'd grant people's prayers or that he was the ONLY way to the Father. Only Lord Jesus ever spoke like that

Merely accepting the human incarnation (Jesus) as the Saviour cannot save you. It is told in the Bible that He came to save His people. Who are His people? They are His beloved devotees. They follow His instructions. Jesus did not give any attention to His mother, when He was with His disciples. When a woman shouted that the Mother of Jesus was blessed, Jesus did not agree with her and said that blessed are those who followed His instructions. He says that one should leave parents, wife or husband, children and must be prepared even to carry his own cross for the sake of Jesus. This means that one should be prepared to sacrifice even his life. Therefore, it is a narrow path with thorns. Even to hear this statement your mind is turmoiled with chaotic disturbance. That is the reason why He says that He has come to give peace to you and that He is holding the sword of knowledge in His hand.

Therefore, you can be saved only when you reach that state. If you say to the judge that you accept him as your saviour, will he save you and cancel his judgement? If you say to the jailor that you will accept him as your saviour, will he release you from the jail? Therefore, Jesus saves only His dearest devotees. He underwent the suffering on the cross for the sake of only His people. He did not suffer for the sake of all people and He did not release all people from their sins. If such a thing is done, justice is destroyed. The divine administration becomes meaningless. When a devotee leaves everybody and everything for the sake of the human incarnation and participates in His service, such people are called as His people. Such devotees will never agree for the crucifixion of the Lord for the sake of their sins. Therefore, real saving is only at that stage.

Whether, it is Christianity or Hinduism the beginner cannot come forward if the final stage is shown in the beginning. In Hinduism the saints and in Christianity, the Popes, fathers, brothers and sisters, who are dedicated to the Divine Mission, have left everything and everybody for the sake of God. Actually only such holy saints can be saved since they live according to His prescribed standards. But if this fact is revealed, no common man will come forward. It is the tradition of the divine preacher to show the final result even in the first step. We say to the schoolboy that if he goes to school regularly and studies sincerely, he will become a professor.

It is only encouragement. Does that mean that the boy will be appointed as professor as soon as he finishes schooling? He gets encouraged and studies well in the school. Then he will go to college and university and study further. Then he will join as a lecturer, become a reader and then finally become the professor. Therefore, to attract beginners, such encouraging statements are made, which need not be condemned as lies. When a lie is beneficial, it cannot be called a sin. Even if it is the truth, but if it harms, it is a sin. We tell so many lies to our children to encourage them and our aim is only their welfare and not cheating them. Therefore, such statements should be accepted with reference to the level of the devotees.

To recognize God, then to recognize God as the King of this creation and then recognizing His ultimate underlying hidden administration in the entire creation is the essence of spiritual knowledge. We recognize the government and its administration in this world. It is clear because it is visible to the eyes. But God and His administration are invisible. Invisible does not mean non-existent. This world is filled with cosmic energy, which is invisible. That does not mean that cosmic energy does not exist.
You can experience the administration of God in every corner of your life. His administration applies to both living and non-living beings of the creation. The non-living sun, wind etc., move constantly following the rules of God. That invisible God comes as a visible human incarnation, and proves all this. When Jesus ordered the storm in the sea to stop, it subsided. Plants, birds, animals and all the human beings are all under His control. When Jesus told a tree to die, the tree died. Jesus controlled sheep and thus He controls animals and birds.

The human beings consist of atheists, normal human devotees and real devotees. He also controls the atheists. The disciple of Jesus cut the ear of a soldier who came to arrest Him. But Jesus attached the ear in the proper place. Thus His enemies were also under His control. The second type, (normal devotees) worships God for solving their worldly problems. He proved that they were also controlled by Him, when He cured their diseases etc. He saved the highest real devotees by suffering on the cross. Thus, He proved Himself to be the controller of all the non-living and living beings. This means that He is the controller of the entire creation. Recognizing this all-controlling administration in the entire world is the recognition of His kingdom. People thought that His kingdom was somewhere in the heaven, above the sky.

Jesus said that His kingdom was coming to earth. It means that the human beings on the earth have started recognizing His kingdom on earth, which already exists. There is no place, which is not in His kingdom. There is no king except the human incarnation like Jesus. He is the king of kings. Even Satan is an employee in His kingdom. This creation is created by Him for His entertainment. In a cinema, not only is the hero remunerated, but also the villain. Satan is used to test the devotees through his attractions. Thus Satan is required in the spiritual effort of the human being. In answering a multiple choice question, there are three wrong answers along with one correct answer. The three wrong answers represent Satan, which appear more correct and attract the mind. The power of discrimination of the student becomes more significant only in the presence of such wrong answers. What is the significance of happiness without misery? Nothing and none can oppose the Lord. Satan is required for His divine game.

Kobojunkiee:
And your swami proves my point again...

When Jesus Christ said, " I am The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father except through me" in John 14 vs 6, He spoke those words to reveal His existence in relation to the one who is the Father. Those who are versed in the Truth of God immediately understand that Jesus Christ, is God's very own Law or Laws - the only law for those who seek direct access to God's Heaven -, God's very own Eternal Life and God's very own Truth/Word. He is born from the same source that is God on those aspects is what Jesus Christ told you in that one verse... the culmination of all that He revealed throughout several of His teachings to His disciples.

All that went over your swamis head there who is still chasing after shadows there speaking of incarnations and the lot.

My answer to the dear devoted holy Christian soul is as follows:

Does Jesus represent a human body, the word or both? If it represents a particular human body, then such a human body does not exist now. Only a particular human generation and that too, in a particular place was favored by the association of the human body of Jesus. Is it not the partiality of God?

If Jesus represents the word (Message of the Christ), then the previous human generations before the birth of Jesus were not favored with this word and this also leads to the partiality of God. If Jesus represents both the body and the word, then both the above objections will attack together, strengthening the partiality of God.




God is impartial. He created this entire universe. He should not favor a part of the infinite time and a particular piece of the world. Since there is no re-birth of the soul, as you say, all those unlucky souls fell permanently in the hell. Now such souls cannot take human re-birth to pray to Jesus for their salvation. If you say that some other prophet by name Moses or some other name, who was equal to Jesus, existed before the birth of Jesus, then, the Christian belief “Jesus alone is the Saviour” will be wrong. If you say that Moses was also the same Jesus, then, why not some other person, X or Y or Z, after Jesus also be Jesus? In such a case Jesus exists before and after the birth of Jesus. Then Jesus is omniscient and omni-potent. In such a case, Jesus in some other human forms, by some other names, must have always existed. Then, Jesus can even exist in different human forms simultaneously, in different countries during the same human generation to avoid the partiality, because the different countries might not have contact with each other during a particular old human generation. In fact, this was true because the countries were not having any contact with each other, a few centuries ago. God is the Father of all the people in all the countries of this universe and therefore, He should be impartial to all His children. You have to agree with this point because only one God created this whole universe. It will be better to further replace the word Jesus by a general word like ‘Holy Spirit’, because the word Jesus signifies a particular human body only according to general sense of the public. The word ‘Holy Spirit’ does not signify any particular human body and therefore it will be reasonable to say that the Holy Spirit is God and this Holy Spirit existed in all those divine human forms.

In fact, the Holy Spirit is the purest power of God that enters a particular chosen deserving human body in every country during the same human generation. By this, every country gets equal benefit. When Jesus existed in a particular place, the other countries were not having any comunication with that Holy place of Jesus. Those human generations in other countries must have gone to the hell because Jesus was the only savior. Of course, some people who were associated with Jesus also went to hell since they disbelieved Him. But those people, at least, got the chance of association with Holy Jesus because they existed in that place. Had that chance of association been given to the people of other countries also, there might have been a fraction of the people, which, might have believed in Jesus and might have been liberated. Such salvation of a fraction of people happened in that Holy place where Jesus lived. This objection will charge Jesus or (and) God with lack of planning and lack of impartiality. To remove this charge, the above universal concept has to be accepted by open minds, following a logical scientific path of analysis, which is essential in any line of knowledge including spiritual knowledge.

O great Christians! I appreciate you from the bottom of My heart for your one-pointed faith and sincerity towards God. Who can be compared with you, in this world, for your practical sacrifice in the mission of God and for your kindest hearts in the service rendered to the downtrodden people? Fortunately you are also the toppers in science, which is the result of most powerful practical analysis of any concept. Thus you are the best cream of this creation in all the aspects. But why don’t you apply a trace of that powerful systematic logical scientific analysis in this spiritual knowledge also? Why should you follow the interpretations of your fellow human beings, who are just equal to you? You can yourselves analyse the divine statements of God Jesus with your own intellectual faculty based on simple logical analysis. Since only one God created this universe, since only God is the Father of all the human beings in this world and since the Father must be impartial to all the children, the same God must have written all the religious scriptures of the world. These scriptures cannot and should not contradict each other. If there is any contradiction, that must have been the misinterpretation of some closed minds.

Before Jesus was born, prophets announced Him as ‘Emmanuel’, meaning that God was coming in human form to live with human beings. Whenever the word Jesus comes, it should mean only ‘Emmanuel’. When you say that Jesus is the only path, it means that the human form of God is the only path to reach God. Whenever Jesus utters the word ‘I’, that word ‘I’ means ‘Emmanuel’, who is a general human incarnation of God and not just a particular human incarnation. The reason for the emphasis on the human form of God is that, human beings can have His vision for a long time, can touch Him for a long time, can converse with Him for a long time and can live with Him for a long time when He is in the human body. The Holy Spirit can enter a body of light also, which is called as angel. Such a body can be seen for a little time only since the light has the nature of propagation in the space. Such an angel cannot be touched due to the high intensity of radiation. The angel talks briefly for the same reason. The angel cannot live with human beings for a long time. Thus the human body is most convenient for human beings. This soul goes to the upper world by taking a body of light-energy.

For those souls in the upper world, God also appears with a body of bright light-energy. Jesus referred this form of God as the Father of the Heaven. A human being with this materialized body cannot approach God with that powerful energetic body. The meaning of the statement that a human being can approach God only through Jesus is that a material body can approach God through a material body only. God is one and the same whether He is present in the body of light or in the materialized human body. From the point of God, Jesus and the Father of Heaven are one and the same. The milk present in a golden cup is the same as the milk present in a ceramic cup. “Jesus will come again!” means that God will come again and again in human form for every human generation, to avoid the partiality of the Father to a particular human generation. In this context the word Jesus means Emmanuel. The statement that Jesus is the light is a concept of science.

The word Jesus indicates the external human body, which is made of the five elements i.e., earth, water, energy, air and space. Space is common for both matter and energy, which is the basis of the concept of volume. Volume is the property of the space. Both matter and energy need space. Earth, water and air constitute matter in solid, liquid and gaseous states. Thus the matter in the human body is another form of energy according to the law of mass-energy equivalence (E = mc2). Thus the human body of Jesus, which is constituted by matter is a form of energy and thus it is equal to the energetic body of the Father of heaven. Thus from the point of external body also, the Emmanuel and the Father of Heaven are one and the same. A person present in bright silk clothes or dull cotton clothes is one and same. Such interpretations must be logical and also must prove the impartial love of God towards all His children on the earth.

Kobojunkiee:
If scripture was indeed given for the "welfare of humanity" wouldn't it follow that all of humanity directly benefit regularly from scripture?

God gave "mouth and throat" to just a select view and these are those marked by clear submission and obedience of God's very Laws as given in scripture. Meaning not just anyone can "preach" the Truth of God. Only those marked by God's own Spirit of Truth(Jesus Christ) can speak His Truth. All others are nothing but liars as their opinions, even those of God, amount to lies when put up against that decreed by God..

I agree with you. Jesus told “I am the path”. Jesus did not tell “Jesus is the path”. There is difference between these two statements. If Jesus told that Jesus alone is the path, it means that the specific human incarnation called as Jesus alone is the path. But, He did not tell like that. When Jesus told that He is the only path, it means that the human incarnation that alone guides you in a right direction is the real path. This alone provides you the opportunity of direct worship. Even the energetic incarnations do not provide you the facility to worship directly. The inert statues and photos are out of the scope of direct worship when even the alive energetic incarnations do not provide such facility.
There is not the slightest difference between a messenger of God, a son of God and an Incarnation of God. The three represent the dualism of Madhva, the special monism of Rāmānuja and the perfect monism of Śaṅkara respectively.

In fact, the Incarnation of God Himself expresses each of these three states based on the extent of ego and jealousy of His disciples. If the disciples have very high ego and jealousy, the Incarnation says that He is only a messenger of God. If the disciples’ ego and jealousy is moderate, He says that He is the son of God. If the ego and jealousy of the disciples is negligibly small, He reveals His oneness with God.

Even the divine messenger saves His disciples by undergoing the punishment for their sins. The Incarnation is a homogeneous mixture of God and soul, like an alloy of gold and copper. The messenger is a copper rod welded with a golden rod. In both cases, if the gold is heated, the copper also becomes hot. In both cases, the human being-component suffers by the will of God. God, who is represented by gold in the analogy, is invisible and in fact, unimaginable. So, the heating of the invisible gold can only be expressed through the heating of the visible copper.

In other words, we cannot see the unimaginable God. But upon witnessing the suffering of the the human-component of the Incarnation, we realize the fact that God suffers for the sins of His devotees. Here, it is very important to note that God suffers for the sins of only His real devotees. He does not suffer for the sins of all humanity. Emmanuel is the one who suffers for the sins of only His real devotees.

Kobojunkiee:
Before you go about attempting to explain anything you refer to as logic, ensure you have a clear understanding of what logic really means.. you cannot offer ideas that are established only in your mind as logic .

What is scripture? Scripture is defined as the word of God, which is the knowledge given by God for the sake of welfare of humanity. All agree to this. But, to give word, which is preaching of knowledge, God must have mouth and throat. We have established that God is unimaginable because the substance with which God is made and the original form in which God exists are unimaginable.

In such case, how can you say that God has told this or that? Even the Veda, believed as the composed scripture by God, mentions the names of sages as the composers (Rushi) of each part. This clearly shows that the sages have composed the Vedas. Lord Buddha, one of the human incarnations, also told that the Vedas are composed by human beings (devoted sages) only and hence the Vedas are called as ‘Paurusheyas’. All this is perfectly correct as one side of the concept. The other side of this topic is to believe the Vedas as scriptures composed by God and hence the Vedas are called as ‘Apaurusheyas’.

There is a controversy between Buddha and Hindu tradition in this point. Instead of bringing controversy up and to conclude that Buddha and Hindu tradition differ with each other, it is always better to show the correlation between these two opposing views. The correlation is that God revealed this knowledge called the Veda to the devoted sages and these devoted sages expressed that divine knowledge in their own statements. The composer of knowledge is God and the composer of the statement expressing that knowledge is the devoted sage.

In the angle of God, the Veda is Aparusheya and in the angle of the devoted sage, the Veda is Paurusheya. Both views are correct without any contradiction. But, the meaning of statement is knowledge and this is the most important essence by which alone humanity is benefited. The language acts as a vehicle of communication only and is not so important as the knowledge. The goods in the vehicle is knowledge and the vehicle is the language. Both are necessary. The payment for the transport by vehicle is very little compared to the payment for goods indicating values.

Jesus returned back to the earth several times by today He is present on the earth even today Jesus shall not mean the external name and form but the internal unimaginable God existing as mediated Father of heaven. ‘Jesus’ comes back means God comes to this world in human form in every human generation to preach and uplift the human souls here through His excellent divine knowledge.


The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies.

A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”. The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again. When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord.

You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.



The next coming means coming again and again in human form to preach the spiritual knowledge whenever there is necessity as told by Gita (Yadaa Yadaa hi... Gita). Jesus told that He will come again. Did He tell that He will come once more only? Coming again refers the next visit, which does not mean the last visit.

When a relative leaves your house saying that he will come again, does it mean that he will come only once more, which will be last visit? You also tell him “please come again”. Does this mean that you are asking him to make the last visit to your house? Foolish interpretations come out from foolish people due to the over activity of their livers (Paitya Uddreka)!




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