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Letting go? Not easy. But in the end, i believe nothing happens to you that you can't handle. Just pick up where you were dropped and move on (easier said than done, yes).
Emotions are real funny attimes. Your logic tells you 'it won't work, man. BAIL!', but your emos keep finding 'reasons' to hold on, even long after it's off.
And if you hold long enough to get hit by reality train, Just get a grip (a real good, tough one) of yourself and set sail forward. There are others (looking for you) out there.

the sooner we make the tough choices, the better.

This love car, needs Wisdom to steer it.

LOL! I always expect this sort of thing to happen on forums: somebody starts a topic with his own (usually well-explained) intentions but somewhere down the thread, the entire point can (and usually is ) missed! LOL!

I am intrigued to know that I am not the only person who's long been suspicious of what is being practiced and tagged Christianity these days. Any believer with a conscience (and truly seeking God) will have one time or the other stopped to check 'if he still is in the faith'. but (sigh) many of just them just LOVE following the majority.

For a few years now, i have often questioned certain things we do:
Why is there this (often salient but regularly loud) competition amongst believers? Does no one know the verse that questions separation and strife in the body of Christ?
Why are we so quick and willing to give an 'offering' in order to be blessed (good measure, pressed down, shaken together, )rather than give 'not expecting in return'
What about LOVE?

I have quite a lot to add to this post, but I'll just let the poster speak his mind, and mine (hopefully).

These are the last days: deception's at an all-time high!

'Let he that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall'

Hello, everyone. I've been invited for a test with Nhames (supposed to be an ICT firm) in Ikeja. They are recruiting for a new arm of their business they're calling NetKrystal.

Does anyone have an idea what we are to expect?

stimulus:
Now we can see who's been arguing from LAW and narrowing the subject. Just an observation.

Is the LAW the only place where tithes are mentioned? Why is it that many times when people argue against tithes because it MUST always be part of the LAW, they are the very same ones who go back to the LAW to argue the same tithes?

I beg you guys, let's face this issue with open minds and not the sly invectives and back-patting. Leaving what some pastors have said or taught about tithes and giving, and that being the reasons for the disaffections often expressed, could we simply share what each one has come to understand on this subject?

But I just did.

Please read mine.

Another instance in the bible. Gen. 28 v.10-22.
Here, Jacob made a vow to give a tenth of his welath to God. If that was something that God already mandated, It wouldn't have "held any water". In fact, I'm sure God would have stopped him like "Hey! No wonder your name's Jacob! Na me you wan sike like this? You no fear?"
And notice that in this same portion of scripture God had already pronounced a blessing on this man and promised to do more. haba! This God too much!
I say again, he does not need your tithe to bless you. so why are you giving?

Abeg, make una research well-well and answer. i dey close o!
Office don close.

Hey Hnd-Holder, the fact that only one scripture exists is not enough proof to negate a principle. One word from God is enough: it settles all.
What I belive we are all trying to discover here is where does it say that New Testaments believers are mandated to pay this tithe, right?
To be honest, I don't know. And truly someone spoke my mind here before; with all the revelation Paul had about christ and the Church, why was the tithe never mentioned? seriously, why?

Okay. So if someone "pay" tithes in love, then according to you there's no wahala, abi? Can I ask you: do you pay anything - tithes, free-will, offerings, givings, etc? Why do you do it?

To answer that? What's it to you? If you read  my post well. You ought to at least have an idea. but don't be so quick to judge if I'm right or wrong. I'm here to seek answers too (just like everyone here, I'm sure).

TITHE was never met for pastors as the Levites was supposed to use it to feed the poor after the 10% buBurtons offering from the collected tithe.
This is what the then priest avoided, they neither feed the poor nor the mandatory 10% offering,
Malachi 3

7      Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8     Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9     Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

And someone said "pay your tithe. don't bother what your pastor does with it". ok. , Pay your tax, never bother what the Gov does (if at all they do anything) with it. Abi?

Look all, God is very concerned about what you do with the resources He gave you. That's why good works get rewards, and dead works don't. Again, I say, wisdom is not far. it's free.

God requires NOTHING! To slip in the idea of a "require" here is to make a simple response of worship actually mandatory.

What on earth do you mean by that? I don't follow.

Your previous lines state otherwise. Are you contradicting yourself?

I hope you can see what the Lord pointed out in those verses?

            "These ye ought to have done" and also "do not leave the other undone!"

              Do these - do the others as well.

Hey! I'm saying God requires worship. And these lines of yours state the same idea. so why would you try to drop the first line above? It's like you're contradicting yourself while trying to state your argument.
be careful.
i still dey enjoy you sha.

The Church: Christ's collective body of believers. Here on earth to continue with His mission of spreading the gospel.
So here we go. Yes! it costs money to do anything here on earth. Money CAN'T be ruled out of any matter. to claim otherwise would be a delusion.
Now each person has a specific role to play in the church and execution of these roles has a promise of a reward attached. but please pay attention here, anything done outside of love has no reward attached to it. this is where most of us miss it. we are so zealous for works, we are not conscious of love anymore.
Hey! We love God because He first loved us. we give because He gave for us. Jesus gave us a new commandment: he actually said the law is summed up in it; love thy neighbour as much as you would yourself.
Look, whatever you claim to be doing for God, if it isn't in done in love, does not count! you may say 'oh! i'm exercising faith, ' but brethren, compared with love, faith is a small issue. remember "there abideth these 3: Faith, Hope and Love. And the greatest of these is love".
you want to pay tithe? Pay it! But why do you do it? do you know?

Don't misunderstand me. God DOES require some action on the part of the believer, but the motive is really what he's concerned about.
Why do you pay your tithe? To get a blessing? to prove your commitment to God? To enjoy a special type of fellowship with the Spirit? Then if so, it's just dead work: no rewards, my friend.
Or do you do it because you have a made a choice of love? to give because you Know He gave for you? Because you understand the needs of church administration and you want to be a part of it? Because you love the Lord and would do anything for His body?
Look, do nothing without understanding. God is not a God of 'zombies'. People who go "Pastor said thus. Let's do thus"
Worship God with all your heart, soul and  might: In other words be acutely aware of all that you do. Wisdom is not far. it's free.
So much to be said, but I'm still at the office.

my, my.
This interests me. can I drop a line? i'm a believer. been so for a long time and I am glad I know the Lord.
Tithing: 10% of your increase (not income) was a commandment from God to the Jews. The old testament really made an issue of it. my forefather, Abraham, gave (not paid) 10% of his spoil (increase, not income) to Melchizedek. This was an act of worship. Not a commandment from God, he recognized the man as Priest of God. One thing to note: this priest blessed Abram before he gave the tithe (genesis: 14:14-20)
I believe one thing, everyone. god does NOT need your tithe to bless you. what is salvation if it isn't free? i do not have to do anything to obtain favor, grace or God's love.
Jesus' sacrifice: He died so that we who were excluded from the commonwealth of Israel can now be grafted into God' s tree. i did not pay for this. All i had to do was to believe, receive and halleluja! {Mr. D.baddie, welcome to God's family}
Listen, I am a benefactor of god's love not because of anything I have done, but He Himself chose to love me. Why should I now believe that any act of mine will ensure this grace continues? (Romans 8v.32 :" He that spared not His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give u sall things". i don't have to pay anything to get anything form God. If that were so, I could boast about my achievements. Certainly, I know God never asked anything of me (this is the problem Paul had with the Galatians, read the book), so, no, i can't be forced to "pay" nothing.
Pastors will tell you all sort of stuff (but brethren, i do not believe they are all trying to cheat anyone. they are only preaching what they believe is true) like "robbers of God will go to Hell". c'mon, my salvation's been paid for!
So much needs to said, but I'm at the office. My hands are full.