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johnydon22:
Yeah a guy without an earthly father is a man?.... lmao in greek mythology they are called demi-gods... human mother, spirit father (gods)....example perseus and hercules. . . am still wondering how y'all still say jesus was a man when y'all also said he aint gat no earthly father... Damn, dude's a demi-god mehn

@johnydon22
Jesus is not demi-god...NO...Jesus is fully man and fully God...the two nature are not to be fused together but separate unit in him alone...each nature are to fulfil different purposes as seen in the write up..
the human nature is show man how he can walk with God overcoming all the infirmities in man unto perfection...heb 4:16 says For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our
infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Because of His human nature,He was able to die for our sin.

THE GOD NATURE is for him to die for man SIN...BECAUSE ONLY GOD CAN DIE FOR MAN'S SIN...no man no matter how righteous can die for man...cause man didnt sin against man but God and if God must 4give man, God must suffer the consequence himself...is like this..assuming u are owning me N500. 4 me to 4give you, i must bear the loss of the N500 not another man bearing it for me.

[quote author=dd12345 post=29928518][/quote]The Following is a list of some of these changes to take place:

I Cor. 15:50-58: Corruption is changed to incorruptibility in reference to these bodies that turn to dust at death. Mortality will put on immortality referring to those still living who are subject to death. Vs.43 Dishonor will be raised in glory. This is referring to being free from aging, scars, and traces of sin. From weakness to power refers to the effects of age , loss of strength and vitality, to a body not subject to these mortal limitations.

I Thess. 4:15-17: There will be a change of nature of the body and it will have full possession of eternal life.

Jude 24: We will be presented faultless (no flaws) before His glorious presence.

Eph.5:27: We will all be holy with no blemishes or defects.

Col.1:22: We will be holy and blameless. Free from guilt and shame.

Rom.8:21: We will no longer be subject to sin and the sinful nature that corrupts.

Rom. 8:29-30: Our body will be conformed to the image of the resurrected Jesus. Our sanctification process will be complete.

Phil 3:21: “who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

Rom.8:18: We will be glorified. We now have suffering, but in the end we will have glory.

I Jn.3:2: “When He is revealed to us in His glory, we will become like Him and see Him for who He is.” Our bodies will be similar to His resurrected body (not exactly like His but with many similarities).

[quote author=dd12345 post=29928380]@CANTICLES..ALSO NOTE

Hebrews 2:14:, “For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same. . . “ Here the text does refer to the physical flesh but Jesus did not take on Himself a sinful nature. It means he became a human having the same physical flesh and blood minus the sin nature. As Rom.8:3 says Jesus came in the “likeness of sinful flesh”, in other words he was fully man, he looked like any other but without the sin. The word for flesh used here refers to mankind in their fallen state (the body of flesh).

When speaking of sinful man who consists of flesh and blood he cannot enter the kingdom of God without a new birth. Jn.3:3-5 Jesus explains that a fallen man cannot enter God's kingdom without being spiritually regenerated, he will not even see the kingdom of God.

I Corinthians 15:50 “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. “ The Apostle Paul turns to the subject of transformation of the body not the soul. The body that we now possess is not suitable for the heavenly kingdom. It is corrupted, subject to disease, and decays. Only that which is pure, incorruptible and immortal can enter heaven, this is why there must be a change. Paul is answering the question of what kind of “body” believers will receive in the resurrection (vs. 35). It will be a “spiritual body” (vs. 44). A “spiritual body” must be defined by the ONLY example we have of one, the first fruits from the dead, the body of Jesus. He described his body as one of flesh and bone, (possibly bloodless) (Lk.24:39). The resurrection body has no need of blood as its life because its nature will not be the same. Presently the blood nourishes the cells that are in need of constant repair but food and water to supply nourishment will no longer be needed. No cells will be in need of repair in our glorified bodies so we will no longer need blood. As it states in Revelation we will neither hunger or thirst. We can eat but not from necessity. We will still have our body and its functions but obviously some things will change.

In verses 51-52, Paul then proceeds to tell us a mystery which involves the change that all believers will go through, The corruptible will put on incorruption, and mortality will become immortality. We need to have a complete change to make us suitable for our new environment. This implies a conversion of our same physical bodies to a body with heavenly qualities. Nature does not know extinction but transformation, as science says energy cannot be destroyed but transformed.

Paul states that their dead body is sown and will be resurrected to new life. God has it become a new body ( 1Cor.15:38). The old body puts on (is swallowed up) by the new body it is transformed into something permanent.

The statement characterizes the resurrection body as one completely filled and governed by the Holy Spirit ... Another statement by Paul, that 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God' (I Cor. 15:50) is considered to exclude the idea of a resurrection body of flesh. The apostle however, teaches something entirely different. The expression 'flesh and blood' never denotes the substance of the body, but man in his totality as a frail and perishable creature in his untransformed state (Mt.16:17; Gal 1:16; Eph. 6:12; Heb 2:14). It has the same meaning in I Corinthians 15:50, shown by the fact that in the parallel clause (v. 50b) the word corruption is used, which obviously denotes the whole man in his corruptibility and not the substance of his body. The entire contest shows that man, as a frail perishable creature, cannot enter God's glorious, eschatological kingdom. He first must be made immortal, powerful, and glorious. There is no denial of a resurrection in a body of flesh.” (J. A. Schep in Zondervan Pictorial Bible Encyclopedia Vol. V, p. 74).

There will be many flesh and blood people living in the millennial kingdom that will not be regenerated, so it is obvious that this phrase does not mean what Jehovah's Witnesses make it to be. Christ told Nicodemus in Jn.3:3 except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God (nor enter the kingdom). The emphasis is on a spiritual rebirth that can only come from God himself, the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor. 5:1-5: “For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.” Notice it states the new body our housing is in heaven and from heaven. Why? Because we are changed, made to adjust to a new location. Mankind was made a different species than the angels as far as having a physical covering. God’s purpose is to give us a permanent body to live in. We were made as human creatures to live in a body eternally. We are not just spirit, nor are we animals.

CANTICLES:
So flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God ??

So Jesus is still been affected by the weakness of man ??

So Jesus was lyin when he told the disciples that his body and blood will be sacrificed for mankind whereas, he will still have them back ?? ( Luke 22: 19,20) !

So the apostle peter was fooling us when he said Jesus was killed in flesh but was made alive as a spirit being (1pet 3:18) was killed in a physical body ( human) but was raised in A " Spiritual Body" 1 Cor 15:44 ??

@CANTICLES..yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...paul is right...but you need to undastand the context in wwhich paul is saying it...paul is speaking about the state of a fallen man which cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD.
What do we make of the statement in 1 Cor. 15:50-56 that “flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Does this mean that we will be spirits? That only certain people will go to heaven? The expression “flesh and blood” occurs only five times in the New Testament. We need to define our definition of its meaning from the overall teachings. If we examine the following references we see the writers are often speaking of 'flesh and blood” as being synonymous with “fallen man”, just as it is of the physical body. If you substitute the words “fallen man” (unregenerate) in the place of “flesh and blood” we can understand better what Paul is conveying.

Sometimes the word for flesh (sarx) is used literally (as in Heb.10:20) Sometimes it is used in a figurative manner as in Rom.8:9 (you are not in the flesh but the Spirit). Meaning the new nature rules over the old.

Matthew 16:13-17: “Flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee but my Father who is in heaven.” Is this speaking of the physical flesh, or the corrupt nature of man not revealing Christ's identity to Peter? It came from God who is Spirit.

Galatians 1:16: “Straightway I conferred not with flesh and blood.... “ Obviously Paul was not referring to the physical flesh but rather to corrupt and sinful man.

dd12345:
from my head, as a result of 4 years of hearing of God's word,teaching on christ, his dealings in my life and many other christian books and also as a resulting of constant communing with God. You know Christianity not all about obeying do and dont and about the bible only...the essence of the bible and christianity is to know the lord of the book not just the book of the lord. as you fellowship with his word, christ will start communing with you thru your thought and many other ways...thats is the work of the holy spirit. the bible say of the holy spirit...John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

this is the work of the holy spirit to teach you even as ur pastor continue to teach you...
if you are born again, then the holy spirit is in you already...just feed him with the word and you will see him comunning with you even in your thought...this is the way i can illustrate the holy spirit...he is like a seed in the ground,seed may be in the ground without water, may be dormant becos there is no water(word) but when constant water comes(word of God,teachings,preaching), it will sprout out...thats the same way the holy spirit works...its always in our ,we only need to water it or feed it with the rigth food to grow/respond...

@davien and others, if you av any question or want clarity, i will be online 2moro btw 8am and 5pm...thanks.

davien:
And where did you get all this info?

from my head, as a result of 4 years of hearing of God's word,teaching on christ, his dealings in my life and many other christian books and also as a resulting of constant communing with God. You know Christianity not all about obeying do and dont and about the bible only...the essence of the bible and christianity is to know the lord of the book not just the book of the lord. as you fellowship with his word, christ will start communing with you thru your thought and many other ways...thats is the work of the holy spirit. the bible say of the holy spirit...John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

this is the work of the holy spirit to teach you even as ur pastor continue to teach you...
if you are born again, then the holy spirit is in you already...just feed him with the word and you will see him comunning with you even in your thought...this is the way i can illustrate the holy spirit...he is like a seed in the ground,seed may be in the ground without water, may be dormant becos there is no water(word) but when constant water comes(word of God,teachings,preaching), it will sprout out...thats the same way the holy spirit works...its always in our ,we only need to water it or feed it with the rigth food to grow/respond...

davien:
Okay...so is there anything that you think can bring them all together or would they forever be divided...

Yes, God is going to bring unity back to His Church, the church is His body, the church is his bride, He is already purging it of chaffs and impurities, He is going to present it blameless, glorious, spotless. He is purifying the church presently…can’t you see what is going on in the church all over the world, the confusion, the frustration, people are tired of the status quo, the emptiness in the church, the corruption,the worldliness in the church, the lack of power, life and freshness, the lack of inner satisfaction that is xteristics of a living church…people want more of God, there gat to be more to what we are experiencing in the church…this is the yearning of our soul presently. GOD IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIVING,AWAKENING HIS CHURCH.I WAS ONCE IN THAT STATE about 5-6 years ago, tired of church going, tired of the activities that kept me busy going to the church…the confusion why reading the scriptures, the contradicting verses of the church…bible says I am this but in reality I am not…I just hate everything about God, Christianity and the bible but just av to go to please my pastor and my family…but thank God for his mercy when I found a company of believer who preaches Christ and live his life…that’s the happiest thing that every happen to me…5 years ago and still counting…God delivered me from shackles of religion and brought me to experience his reality, now I can relate with his person…He is so real to me than anything in this world and I am praying God will bring everyone to His reality…but my only fear as I journey with God everyday is the future in him…I am scared(great excitement, wonders) of the glorious things that are hidden in him…the depth in God is unfathomable…I thought of men like David, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, Paul, Peter and many others who walked with God, they must have experience this fear/excitement as they walked with God. These and even much more is what God is going to do with his church IN THIS LAST DAY…

davien:
Then why are there over 40,000 denominations with mutually exclusive things in christianity? Okay,can you tell me if the bible should be taken literally or metaphorically?

i agree with ur observation but its not suppose to be so...the focus of every living church is to point people to christ...christianity is able people with sin coming to jesus christ for salvation...not just being BORN AGAIN...not just accepting him as ur saviour but also as your lord...when we accept him as our saviour in being born again...but without accepting him as our lord in leading in the new way(tranforming us) which is contrary to the old way we were treading b4 we come to him...

the reason why we have so many denomination today is because different churches or denomination focus on a part or different aspect/counsel/giftings of God and form a doctrine around it without having the whole counsel of God...some on healing, prosperity,deliverance,dos and donts of the law, some accept the lord saving power and not his lordship and so on. As a result they fall short of the whole counsel of God.
The whole conSEL of God should center on CHRIST and nothing else...paul says I PREACH NOTHING BUT CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED...that is the purpose of the church...of christianity and nothing else. the purpose of the five fold ministry...apostle,prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher is to focus on christ...in bringing people to the full stature of christ and not the goodies from God...ephesian 4v11-15 tell us thw whole counsel of God as shown..11 And he gave some,
apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and
teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the
edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of
the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed
to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men,
and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the
truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

dolphinheart:
So the devil is right then!, that man cannot serve God without Gods influence.

Yes, the devil is right, there is no way Man can serve GOD without GOD's help. THATS WHY we must be totally dependent on GOD for HELP...Its stil part of man self centeredness that make him feel he can serve and please God by his power. the bible says THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH( FAITH IN GOD) NOT by man power or else it will become religion which is not acceptable by GOD...EVEN JESUS CHRIST IN OVERCOMING SATAN DEPEND TOTALLY ON GOD TO HELP HIM...bible says concerning JESUS IN HEB 5V7 ...7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had
offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that
was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he
were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being
made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey
him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec

davien:
confusion in christianity

@davien there is no confusion in christianity except you are reading the scripture with a carnal mind. and besides, this is God way by which he want to redeem Man...not Man's own way...not Man's own idea...

dd12345:
YES...presently a man is sitting down at the right hand of GOD presently making intercession for us. to come and partake of the same inheritance.. bible says in 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN CHRIST JESUS." Right now, there is a MAN in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus. APOSTLE JOHN IN HIS REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST INrev1 vs 10-18. in vs 18 says...I am he that liveth, and
was dead; and, behold, I am ALIVE for FOREVERMORE, Amen; and have the keys of hell
and of death. In this verse, note that spirit doesnt die, but JESUS SAID I LIVE FOREVERMORE...this is JESUS IN HIS human form/resurrected human form. And if you doubt, i hope you believe in rapture or ressurrection..while did God need ur body being transformed during rapture into his glorious form or while while the dead during ressurection or rapture have to get their body back...the sea and the grave releasing the body of those dead. JESUS died for YOUR SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY and He get them all back. HE PAID FOR THEM ALL AND MUST GET ALL BACK WHEN HE COMES BACK...

to add to it further, AFTER JESUS WAS RESURRECTED,the bible says He was still around for 40 days, seen by his disciples, where was he sleeping? even when the door was closed, the passed thru the door and appeared to His disciples including doubting THOMAS who dig his hands into the scars in his hand and legs(showing Jesus still have bones and flesh after ressurection). No wonder while thomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD...

CANTICLES:
Alright ........ If this doctrine is true , Did Jesus continue to possess a human body in heaven ??

YES...presently a man is sitting down at the right hand of GOD presently making intercession for us. to come and partake of the same inheritance.. bible says in 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the MAN CHRIST JESUS." Right now, there is a MAN in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus. APOSTLE JOHN IN HIS REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST INrev1 vs 10-18. in vs 18 says...I am he that liveth, and
was dead; and, behold, I am ALIVE for FOREVERMORE, Amen; and have the keys of hell
and of death. In this verse, note that spirit doesnt die, but JESUS SAID I LIVE FOREVERMORE...this is JESUS IN HIS human form/resurrected human form. And if you doubt, i hope you believe in rapture or ressurrection..while did God need ur body being transformed during rapture into his glorious form or while while the dead during ressurection or rapture have to get their body back...the sea and the grave releasing the body of those dead. JESUS died for YOUR SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY and He get them all back. HE PAID FOR THEM ALL AND MUST GET ALL BACK WHEN HE COMES BACK...

[quote author=Kei144 post=29841494][size=12pt]The problem people have is that they do not understand who God is. Do you know that God is the power of the universe? If you know who/what God is, you won't be imagining that God came as Jesus Christ.

What really happened is that God manifested in Jesus Christ through His Spirit. It is just like comparing being at the surface of the sun with being in the Sahara Desert at noon during Summer. Even though the heat in the Sahara Desert is from the sun, the magnitude of the heat at the surface of the sun cannot be compared with Sahara Desert heat.

@Kei144, b4 u can undastand this, you must first undastand the mystery of trinity, GOD in 3 PERSONS, GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT...they are 3 different entity in one. 3 in 1 GOD...THE BEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN TRINITY IS by using water in the 3 states...GAS, LIQUID AND SOLID STATE...in different form but the same substance(WATER)

CANTICLES:
I have 3 questions .... But lets start with one

1) If Jesus is a God-man , how could he have died ??

Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus.

JESUS IS NOT GOD-MAN, the two natures are separate.

with His human nature, he was to show us as example how to walk with God experiencing the same thing we experience shown by his human attributes listed in the write up until He is made perfect... heb 4:16 says For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our
infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Because of His human nature,He was able to die for our sin.

While I was working in a muslim mosque as an imam, as a parish priest, I preach in my parish that Jesus Christ is not God, for me, God was only Allah, and I believed Allah never got married, so no sons for Allah. So I preached there that Jesus is not God. Then somebody ask me, who is Jesus?’’ from the crowd. Maybe a muslim, but he asked me, who is Jesus?’’ I was preaching he is not God, but the question is who is he? To know who is Jesus? I read the entire Koran once again: 114 chapters, 6666 in the Koran when I read it, the name of prophet Muhammad. I found it in Koran 4 places, but the name of Jesus I found in 25 places. There itself, I was a little confused. Why does the Koran give more preference to Jesus? And second thing, I could not see any woman’s name in Koran: the Prophet Muhammad’s mother’s name, or wife’s name, no, in the Koran, there is only one woman’s name that i found is Mariam, the mother of Jesus no other woman’s name. And in the holy Koran chapter 3, the name of the chapter is family of Mariam,’’ and holy Koran chapter 19, the name of the chapter itself is ‘’MARIAM’’ one chapter is ‘’MARIAM’’ so I was very curious to know why does Koran says all these things about MARIAM, holy Koran chapter 3 verse 34 onwards says that Mary was born without original sin, she never committed any sin in her life, she was ever virgin.
Koran chapter 50 verses 23 say that she went to heaven with her physical body. Even the assumption is writing in the holy Koran and then about Jesus, when I read chapter 3 verses 45 to 55 verses, there is 10 point which the Koran makes about Jesus. The first thing Koran says (kallimatulli) the arabic word which means ‘’the of God’’ and second thing is ( ahimokuli ) which mean spirit of God and the third (isa masi) which means Jesus Christ so Koran give the name for Jesus WORD OF GOD, SPIRIT OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST. And then Koran says that Jesus spoke when he was very small, like 2 days old. after his birth he began to speak , Koran says that Jesus created a live bird with mud. He took some mud, he formed a bird; when breathed into it, it became a live bird. So I think Jesus can give life because he gave life to mud, clay, and then Koran says that Jesus cured a man born blind and a man with leprosy, e.t.c
Curiously, the Koran says that Jesus gave life to dead people; Jesus went to heaven; he is still alive and he will come again. When I saw all these things in the Koran I taught of what Koran says about Muhammad, according to the Koran, prophet Muhammad is not the word of God, not spirit of God he never spoke when he was 2 days old, he never created any bird with mud, he never cure any sick people, he never raised any dead people, he himself died, and according to Islam he is not alive and he will not come back. So there is a lot of different between these two prophets. I didn’t call Jesus, God, you know my idea was ‘’He is a prophet but he is a prophet greater than Muhammad; so one day I went to my teacher, the one who taught me 10 years in Arabic college, and I ask him, teacher, how did God created the universe? Then he said God created the universe through the word,’’ THROUGH THE WORD. Then my question is: ‘’WORD’’ is creator or creation? He must clear this, my question is whether the WORD of God is creator or creation. Koran says Jesus is WORD of God. If my teacher says word of God is creator, which means Jesus is the creator, then muslim must become Christian suppose if he says the word is creation he will be trapped. You know why? He said everything was created through the word. Suppose if he said the word is creation, then how did God created the word? So he cannot say that the word is creator, or creation, so he was quite angry he push me out of his room and said word is not God, not creator or the creation you get out of here, ‘’he said
The reason why Muslim doesn’t accept to be Christian is because they are blinded with the wrong teaching of their priest, Imam. They said that the word is creation they try to prove it wrongly…… they say the word is not creator, not the creation, but not God. And no creation also. They don’t equal with God, that all their problem. So when he said that I told my teacher, word is not the creator or the creation.’’ So, that is why Christian says the word is son of God. Then he told me if there is son for God, I must show him the wife of God. That without wife no chance of having a son then I showed him a portion from the Koran. Koran says that God can see without eyes, God can talk without tongue, God can hear without ears. It is writing in the Koran. I said if that is the case, so God can have a child without a wife. I took my Koran, I put it on my chest, and I said ‘’Allah’’, tell me what I should do because your Koran says Jesus is still alive, and Mohammad is no more. Tell me whom should I accept.’’ after my prayer I opened the Koran, I didn’t asked anyone, I asked only my Allah. When I opened Koran, I saw chapter 10 verses 94. You know what Koran says? It says if you have any doubt in this Koran which I give to you, go and read the Bible, or ask the people, those who read the Bible. The truth is already revealing that.
I beg all muslim to give their life to Christ because he is the only way to the kingdom of God. Please don’t perish like other muslims that is serving the god they do not know. I welcome you into Christ Jesus as you change your mind to accept him today. God bless you.

If anybody have any questions about this...you can ask me for clarity...

dolphinheart:
While jesus walked the earth, did he have the two natures in him ?

yes,Jesus exhibited the two nature when he was on earth...on his human nature to show that man can also walk with God just like he did.
also on his divine nature to maintain His DEITY AS GOD in the flesh.

OTHER HUMAN ATTRIBUTES OF JESUS ARE;
JESUS WEPT
JESUS WAS HUNGRY
JESUS SLEPT WHEN HE WAS IN THE BOAT WITH PETER AND OTHER DISCIPLES...

Jesus is the most important person who has ever lived since he is the savior, God in human flesh. He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man. In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God, and was with God, and was made flesh (John 1:1,14). This means that in the single person of Jesus he has both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14). Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him," nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union.
The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action":
GOD MAN
He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33)
He worshiped the Father (John 17)
He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:
He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)

He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)
He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)

He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)
He prayed to the Father (John 17)
He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)
He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)

He knows all things (John 21:17)
He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)

He gives eternal life (John 10:28)
He died (Rom. 5:

All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)
He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)

The Communicatio Idiomatum
A doctrine that is related to the Hypostatic Union is the communicatio idiomatum (Latin for "communication of properties". This is the teaching that the attributes of both the divine and human natures are ascribed to the one person of Jesus. This means that the man Jesus could lay claim to the glory He had with the Father before the world was made (John 17:5), claim that He descended from heaven (John 3:13), and also claim omnipresence (Matt. 28:20). All of these are divine qualities that are laid claim to by Jesus; therefore, the attributes of the divine properties were claimed by the person of Jesus.
One of the most common errors that non-Christian cults make is not understanding the two natures of Christ. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. They repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try to set them against Scripture showing that Jesus is also divine. On the other hand, the Christian Scientists do the reverse. They focus on the Scriptures showing Jesus' divinity to the extent of denying His true humanity.
For a proper understanding of Jesus and, therefore, all other doctrines that relate to Him, His two natures must be properly understood and defined. Jesus is one person with two natures. This is why He would grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) yet know all things (John 21:17). He is the Divine Word that became flesh (John 1:1,14).
The Bible is about Jesus (John 5:39). The prophets prophesied about Him (Acts 10:43). The Father bore witness of Him (John 5:37; 8:18). The Holy Spirit bore witness of Him (John 15:26). The works Jesus did bore witness of Him (John 5:36; 10:25). The multitudes bore witness of Him (John 12:17). And, Jesus bore witness of Himself (John 14:6; 18:6).
Other verses to consider when examining His deity are John 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:6-8; and 2 Pet. 1:1.
1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Right now, there is a MAN in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus.

I recently came across a powerful quote from an 18th-century English pastor named Job Orton. Ironically, he wrote to the ministers of his day about doctrinal compromise. The struggles of churches nearly 300 years ago are the struggles of churches today. Read what he says:
“I have long since found (and every year that I live increases my conviction of it), that when ministers entertain their people with lively and pretty things, confine themselves to general harangues, insist principally on moral duties, without enforcing them warmly and affectionately by evangelical motives; while they neglect the peculiars of the gospel, never or seldom display the grace of God, and the love of Christ in our redemption; the necessity of regeneration and sanctification by a constant dependence on the Holy Spirit of God for assistance and strength in the duties of the Christian life, their congregations are in a wretched state; some are dwindling to nothing, as is the case with several in this neighbourhood, where there are now not as many scores as there were hundreds in their meeting-places, fifty years ago. ... There is a fatal deadness spread over the congregation. They run in ‘the course of this world,’ follow every fashionable folly, and family and personal godliness seems in general to be lost among them. There is scarcely any appearance of life and zeal.”
It seems that Satan was neutralizing local churches 300 years ago in the same way he is today. Notice the ways churches decline, according to Orton:
1. Create an Entertainment-Driven Ministry—Orton writes “when ministers entertain their people with lively and pretty things.” I’ve seen two extremes in entertainment-driven ministry. Both are simply different manifestations of the same false assumptions and bad values.
The first bad model I saw was a contest-driven, circus-style, promotion-based ministry model. It was a model that bribed people to attend church, entertained them once they came, and attempted to “sneak up” on them with the gospel. It worked to get people to church, but it was weak in producing devoted disciples and rooted believers.
The second bad model I’ve seen is a concert-style, party-atmosphere ministry complete with loud rock music, smoke machines, laser lights and a lot of entertainment. Again, it works to get people to attend, but it lulls them into nonparticipation, nonworship and lethargic, carnal Christianity.
Both models fail because of two false assumptions. The first false assumption is that Jesus and His Word are boring and unattractive. The second false assumption is that people won’t respond to simple, biblical love and grace. These methods attempt to DISGUISE the gospel to “make it attractive.” The false assumption being, it’s not attractive unless we disguise it! This is REALLY BAD theology! Entertainment-driven ministry is a broken road.
2. Focus on “General Harangues”—Orton mentions leaders who “confine themselves to general harangues.” This is a church-family focused on debate and theological inspection over Spirit-led obedience and unified practice. The Word of God is like a window, and some people prefer to spend more time looking AT the window rather than looking THROUGH the window. Paul wrote to Titus, “But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.” (Titus 3:9)
An honest Bible student is comfortable accepting God’s Word where it is clear and where it is unclear. An unhealthy church is content to “look AT the window”—to inspect and debate foolish questions that generate strife and contention. A healthy church is only content to practice what IS clear in God’s Word.
Unbelievers rarely come to these churches, and when they do, they rarely come back. Focusing on pointless debates, personal disputes and biblical conjecture is a broken road.
3. Teach Behaviorism Absent Love and Worship—Orton writes “insist principally on moral duties, without enforcing them warmly and affectionately by evangelical motives”—external duty without internal love as a motive. External conformity or performance-based acceptance generates a church family that looks good but is not motivated by true love and worship of Jesus. Enough badgering from the pulpit will manipulate many Christians into a manmade mold. But eventually those same Christians become disillusioned and hurt by man-centered leadership tactics.
The only biblical, viable, sustainable motivation for doing anything as a Christian is the pure love of Jesus Christ. Being pushed into a set of standards, a weekly structure or an outward appearance always leads to resentment of those who pushed or manipulated me. That Christianity eventually falls apart. Being led by the Spirit and motivated by love will produce a pure-hearted, sustainable, joyful, nonoppressive Christian walk.
4. Neglect the Pure Gospel—Orton writes “while they neglect the peculiars of the gospel.” The gospel of Jesus Christ is not only how we are saved, it is also how we grow, how we live, how we endure and how we enjoy our walk with Jesus. The more you study and examine the gospel, the bigger it becomes. It’s inexhaustible.
Healthy churches always keep the gospel front and center. Their message is hopeful. They magnify Jesus. They preach Christ crucified. They reveal Jesus to be more than a free ticket to Heaven, but in truth a Savior in every aspect of life. If a church family KNOWS their unsaved guest will hear the gospel and not just a “general harangue” on Sunday morning—they are EAGER, EXCITED and HAPPY to invite their lost friends and family.
Something tells me that’s exactly what happened in the books of Acts!
5. Neglect the Display of Love and Grace—Again Orton says “never or seldom display the grace of God, and the love of Christ in our redemption.” How do we miss this? How do churches become so “ungracious” and “unloving”? How do churches melt down into factious, divisive communities of self-focus? How do they become so inward and unwelcoming? They lost sight of the massive volume of New Testament teaching on love, unity, forgiveness, forbearance and grace toward others.
If your gospel message is clear but your dispositional display of the gospel is carnal, you are doing the gospel a grave disservice. Churches die because love and grace died in their midst. Ever more in a darkened, hopeless secular America, a loving church stands in huge contrast to anything else in culture.
6. Neglect a Strong Emphasis on Dependence Upon the Holy Spirit—Orton goes on, “the necessity of regeneration and sanctification by a constant dependence on the Holy Spirit of God for assistance and strength in the duties of the Christian life.” Dying churches, somewhere along the way, began to subtly and perhaps imperceptibly quench, grieve or usurp the Holy Spirit of God. They took matters into their own hands.
How often a pastor is tempted to usurp the work of God’s Spirit—we all want our church family to manifest spiritual maturity, so we attempt to manufacture a quick conformity to outward appearances rather than patiently allowing God’s Spirit to cultivate an internal, organic growth.
It’s easy to set up outward, measurable standards of appearance and performance. We like to do this because it validates us, makes us feel successful as Christians and leaders. Yet the outward conformity COULD be merely a cover for the absence of inward dependence. Healthy churches emphasize the gradual, growing work of God’s Spirit within the believer, over the work of quick, manmade, external conformity.
Orton describes these six things as a “fatal deadness” that spreads over the entire congregation. I think he was hitting the target—for the 1700s and for today! The local church of Jesus Christ is designed to flourish with life, health and joy. While dying or dead churches are a dime a dozen, may God stir up a new generation of churches that defy death and embrace the life and health that only His grace and His Spirit can produce! Amen

they are all saying the same thing but from different perspective/angle...it's like somebody describing an elephant...u can describe the leg, anoda one the ear, the trunk and so on...just need somebody to put dem together to form the frame of the whole message....bible says 'we know in part, we prophesy in part... God wont give the whole counsel to one person...so dat we will be dependent on each other..