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casualobserver:
Na wah o! India is not going, Russia is not going….why bother?

Putin I can understand but those Indians are backstabbers!

Just because we Indians don't play into your fantasy of an anti West alliance doesn't mean we are backstabbers. It just means we have enough self respect and might to enforce our own will on our nation. That we are truly sovereign. That we Indians can be a part of BRICS and Quad and pursue our sovereign interests in both organizations. That we don't need no alliance. That we prefer friends with whom we can find synergies and also manage differences. First learn what being sovereign means.

There is a certain set of useful f00ls that think BRICS is some Axis against the West militarily. They get drunk on Chinese driven propaganda on youtube by the independent BRICS news YouTube channels and start dreaming about BRICS currency, etc.

None of you ever bother to actually read the joint statements negotiated during the various BRICS summits. None of you therefore realize that all those hours you wasted watching youtube channels because the channels push propaganda, not reality. Reality is in the mundane BRICS summit reports.

As a result, you come up with stuff like India is a backstabber in BRICS. First learn that BRICS is not what you fantasize it to be. It is what BRAZIL, RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA AND SOUTH AFRICA negotiate it to be. It is an intersection of the strategic goals of all these nations. Not what the anti West crowd thinks or what youtube channels propagate.

Western economic hegemony must be countered. They are exploiting us all. But that does not entail bombing Washington DC or Brussels

If you really want to see Nigeria wield a nuclear weapon, do the following:-
Step 1: Don't build a nuke.
Don't be like Iran, where you try to go nuclear prematurely and end up the target of preemptive decapitation strikes.

Step 2: Chase Industrial might
Become a powerhouse when it comes to industry, for everything from machine tools to carbon fiber. Be energy and food independent. Indigenous supply chains are a must. Especially for high tech weapons.

Step 3: Become paranuclear instead of nuclear.
Chase after civilian nuclear technology. Start with Pressurized Water Reactors. Don't go for breeder reactors yet. Keep it tame and civil. Don't scare Uncle Sam like Iran did.

Step 4: Once you are a paranuclear industrial powerhouse like Japan of today, discretely, build the nuke. It won't take long and the world will not be able to react so soon, probably. Just keep it under wraps till the tests.




Good luck to my Nigerian brothers and sisters. An African nuke power will make the world a multipolar world that can better stand up to hegemonic Imperial powers like the West or China. Us Indians will support an African nuclear power.

Derekmiles:
🥱🥱, I didn't read all that slop, but i will comment on what you said at the beginning.

If anybody has been bitter this whole time, it's you... I've constantly given India their flowers, even wished the best for them several times while calling out the issues of the country, while you try to constantly overlook the issues, and try to be Mr Futuristic psychic anytime it comes to India. Then for Africans, it's all about the issues to you; India can constantly be about the future and not the present, but no African country can ever be about the future to you.

You are clearly prejudiced, you find anyway to mock Black people, constantly shift the goalpoat to suit your rhetoric when it comes to Black people; do you know how many times i caught you with you own ideology 6 months ago, and all you will do is shift the goalpost to suit your delusion... Every single mocking stance i mocked India with 6 months ago started with you using the same stance on African countries; even when i talked about India defecation issue, it started with you mocking some African countries and their defecation issues, that's when i went to check and found out that India had an even bigger defecation issue on the subject than African countries.

Then you are going to have the guts to say "Sounds like you're bitter", when you are clearly extremely prejudice and hateful. I've never in my life thought India is doing better nor be bitter about it, because that's stupid; i check their countless issues and their progress if any, and wish the best for them... And you so far couldn't have been more wrong, i've been proven right so far because India has barely done anything, but you have the guts and pettiness to desperately come back here and be like "You couldn't be more wrong" when i couldn't be more right so far; did your mother mistakenly drop you on your head when you were a baby?, because that's the only way to explain this level of delusion.

Your prejudice was the reason why 6 months ago, i gave up and was like "you know what, i'm just going to end this by suiting this guy's ego", you thought i agreed with the prejudiced hateful shifting of the goalpost nonsense you were saying?😂😂😂... Bro, like i said, i was done with this conversation 6 months ago, your words are nothing more than prejudice slop that should be treated as such.

Dude, I got no clue what the other guy is saying to you. Maybe you're right and he is being mean or disrespectful, but the truth is the truth. So, let me clear the air with some facts here:
GDP per capita (nominal, 2023):-
India: $2487
Nigeria: $1646

Source: UN

Nigeria population: 238 Million
India people lifted out of multidimensional poverty 2004-2019: 415 Million
India people in multidimensional poverty (remaining in 2019): 229 Million (16.4% of population)
India people in extreme poverty 2025: 15 Million (1% of population)
Nigeria people in extreme poverty 2025: 72 Million (31% of population)

Sources: UN DP Multidimension Poverty Index 2022 (Image 1 below), https://worldpoverty.io/ (Image 2 below)

Life expectancy:-
India: 72 years
Nigeria: 54 years
Human Development Index:-
India: 0.685
Nigeria: 0.560

Source: UN HDI report (see Image 3 below)

Both India and Nigeria have broadly similar issues. India is growing faster than Nigeria economically speaking. Therefore India is overcoming its problems faster than Nigeria is. This is not because of skin color obviously, as you insinuate that other dude is saying. One major factor is economic complexity. Nigeria might want to work on that.

Meanwhile, you are here suggesting that a nation that has lifted 415 Million people out of multidimensional poverty and has reduced its extreme poverty rate to 1% of population while also successfully sending rockets to the Moon three times and once to Mars, is somehow "not doing anything." Sorry but facts do not bear out your assertions.

OriOko88:
Even the India and Pakistan who people believe are lagging behind in military warfare surprised the whole world by taking the battle to the air through fighter jets and high flying military crafts.

Who said that India lags behind in warfare lol? People here being surprised by India fighting with fighter jets in 2025 even though India was the first nation in Asia to make a fighter jet more than half a century ago. And also tested its own anti satellite missile and shot down a satellite back in 2019.

Only people living under a proverbial rock will get surprised by the hardware India was wielding in Op Sindoor 2025. I wonder just how shocked these folks will be once Indian weapons programs like Project Kusha, Project Vishnu and Bhargavastra finish development in next 3 to 5 years.

Pic below shows an Indian scramjet engine that recently completed a 1000 seconds long continuous thrust testing. Project Vishnu will take this and combine it with India's previous hypersonic flight tests under the HSTDV program to give India a hypersonic cruise missile with a range of 2000 km and speed of 2 km/s. And this is not a hypersonic glide vehicle like the Chinese Df17. This is a proper cruise missile. Will fly low to prevent long range detection by radar.

jaxxy:
Trump intervened. why are u crying about who did this or that? Like Modi did it all by himself?

When you get off your blind worship of the leader of another country, you'll realize that most of India didn't want the Pakistanis to stop. Trump talked sense into the Pakistanis. All because he didn't want his meticulous planning for the Iran op to be disturbed by India trashing Pakistan. This is what has many Indians miffed. The ceasefire would have occurred even without Trump's intervention. That is how India had the escalation dominance set up in this conflict. The only difference Trump's intervention caused was that Pakistan came to its senses early, before they gave us the excuse to use our Navy. Of course you know none of that, because you never studied this conflict, busy as you were in worshiping the leader of another nation.

BTW, I can't imagine the level of low self esteem a person needs to have in order to be a lickspittle to the leader of another country. How do you do it man?

jaxxy:
Trump is a man of strong leadership and peace.

India should stop crying like a baby and appreciate trump. He de escalated tensions.

Looks like you didn't read my previous comment properly, so I'll restate the relevant part:
The real truth was stated recently by Trump when he said: "Modi stopped the war from India's side and I stopped it from Pakistan's side."

The above bolded part is what happened as recently stated by Trump himself. Surely given that you seem to worship Trump, you wouldn't dare to say that Trump was wrong in saying this, would you? Trump basically said what India had been "crying" all along.


Honestly, you sound like you didn't follow a single official source from either India or Pakistan for the India Pakistan conflict 2025. Otherwise you'd have known what you are saying is balderdash. And I am not going to write down the entire sequence of events for someone who is so disinterested in the actual conflict and is more interested in kissing the arse of the leader of another country.

Trump might be the greatest human on earth, but facts are facts. Trump tried to mediate, India refused third party meditation and stated that it will only stop hitting Pak when Paki DGMO calls Indian DGMO for a ceasefire on the hotline. Trump decided to tell Pakistanis to beg Indian DGMO for ceasefire. Abs the Pakis complied, leading to the ceasefire. And after days of lying, Trump himself stated this truth this week.

All this while, Pakistan and Trump have both changed their statements multiple times. And India has been the only one saying the exact same thing since day 1, no changes in official statements. Finally, Trump has also agreed with India's version of the story. Still think India is crying? Lol.

Pakistan and USA congratulating each other on the ceasefire. Pakistani "Field Marshal", after self promoting himself to Field Marshal, now wants to help Trump self promote himself as a Nobel peace prize candidate.

India meanwhile showing USA a middle finger since the day of the ceasefire by publicly repeating that:
1.) USA did not negotiate the ceasefire.
2.) The Op Sindoor is only paused contingent on Paki promises they made to our DGMO during the ceasefire call. It (the Op) has not ended. We will resume it in case of further Paki terror attacks on Indian soil.
3.) No other talks will be held with Pakistan till they end terrorism.
4.) Indus Waters Treaty will be suspended till Pakistan stops terrorism.


And then the Pakistanis say that it was India that begged USA for ceasefire. Yeah, right, lol. One can see how thrilled each country is with the ceasefire and which country is giving BJs to the Americans, thanking them for the ceasefire.

The real truth was stated recently by Trump when he said: "Modi stopped the war from India's side and I stopped it from Pakistan's side."
Pakistani Deputy PM Ishaq Dar has also recently confessed the same on Pakistani local TV, but you'd have to speak Punjabi/Urdu to understand.

frog12:
People are getting killed out there over this. Have some sense:

who are being killed? south africans did this to nigerians in their xenophobes

Those that get addicted to drugs end up dying at times. Crime increases, fueled by drugs and drug money, so there is that. And even innocents are getting killed. In one case, a Nigeria that was behaving suspiciously got killed by one of the locals in an Indian city who suspected him to be a drug dealer. Turns out the Nigerian that died wasn't carrying drugs. And the local that killed him ends up in jail for trying to protect his community from the drug menace.

India is not like USA where the family unit is facing systemic dismantlement by the government. No. India is deeply connected to lineages and clans. It is family centered. And thus community feeling is strong here. Drug trade will hurt the young ones and that will earn the wrath of the community. It could get ugly if all Indians start regarding all black Africans as drug traders. Call it racism, but after a certain level, its just self defence and prudence. And innocents get caught up and die in the process. Its a double tragedy, for Indians and Nigerians alike. All because some criminals wanted to make a quick buck.

[quote author= post=135835407]You are indirectly agreeing with my points. I am not trying to relegate or demean India.

Nigeria is an Oil dependent country and depends so little on exports.

India is more of services and tourism, as of 2010-2014, India imported most of its crude oil from Nigeria.
India makes more money from Nigeria than Nigeria does from India. That is the honest truth.
I have stayed in India for 5 years and the drug issue are facilitated by the locals. I seen Police in Karnataka (wont mention the city) collaborating with these Nigerians.

Racism and caste issue has being existing there before Nigerians arrive. In Kenya and all over the world Indians are known for segregation and hardly integrate with other's culture.

Its a cultural thing for you guys so I won't say it is bad but it is global knowledge.[/quote]Racism is different from casteism, which is different from communalism, which is different from regionalism. Let's not conflate it all into one. Racism is not a problem if you're Indian, unless you are from North East, Sikkim or Ladakh, and have Tibetan facial features.
Otherwise, Racism is a problem faced by foreigners in India, and it has nothing to do with casteism.

And again, India does not get more out of Nigeria than Nigeria does out of India. Read my comment again. Products we get from you can easily be sourced from elsewhere and the stuff we export to you isn't even 1% of our exports. Meanwhile for you, we are your second largest trading partner (used to be your largest trading partner not long ago). The relative importance in trade is clear. India Nigeria relations are more about geopolitics than trade. The real value of Nigeria to India is as a potential middle or even great power in the future, which will help create a multipolar world. This is much more important than some billions of dollars we earn in trade.

Now, coming to the real issue: Nigerians are not the sole reason there is drug trade in India. The real reason is other stuff, like the neighbourhood we exist in, the golden drug triangle, etc. And the narco-terrorism nexus is a major part as well. But its undeniable that many Nigerians are a cog in the system that is attacking India through drugs.
As for the local cops being in cahoots in that very famous city we both know you are talking about, that is just low level corruption endemic to state level institutions. But the drug trade is combated by Central Agencies like the NCB, CBI, CEIB and even the NIA. And they are NOT corrupt in most cases.

So let us not pretend that this is a problem that is not worsened by some Nigerians that go to India for these crimes. Once again, the OP is going overboard with this. We need to work together. Banning Nigerians solves nothing and the Indian government know it.

Peterobiisathie:
I agree that India is framing them but the question is why is only Ndi Developers that have been arrested?

Oh yeah? Any proof that India is framing them? First step in realizing that you have a problem is acknowledging that it exists. Looks like you don't want to solve the problem.

People are getting killed out there over this. Have some sense.

[quote author= post=135832912]India needs Nigeria more than Nigeria needs her.[/quote]India is Nigeria's 2nd largest trading partner as of 2024.
Nigeria is not even in the top 25 trading partners of India.

We do more trade with South Africa than with Nigeria.

India's exports to Nigeria are around $5 Billon only. Compare this to India's total export figures over the past few years:
2020: $500 Billion
2021: $677 Billon
2022: $778 Billon
2023: $777 Billion
2024: $825 Billion
2025: $1 Trillion (projected)

So, clearly, from an economic standpoint, we don't really need Nigeria. So don't get a big head.

But from a geostrategic perspective, we DO NEED NIGERIA. So, let's stop all these impossible what if scenarios. India won't ban Nigerians anytime soon. But the drug problem is real and needs to be addressed, because its contributing a lot to the racism problem you guys always say we Indians have. We need to cooperate and end this problem.

Adesina18111:
The way Drug peddlers from Nigeria are being arrested in India these past few months is alarming... Haba!!! Almost everyday arrest... K*LL them all!!!... What is all this for God sake... Until India starts to deny innocent Nigerians visa?

I am an Indian from India. I don't usually comment on these threads because I came to Nairaland to rid myself of biases that all Africans and specially all Nigerians are drug peddlers. But, being an Indian, I am aware that in certain cities, Nigerians are famous as drug peddlers. I remember one Nigerian getting killed for behaving suspiciously and getting physical with the locals, making the locals suspect that he might be a drug dealer based on his behaviour. Its a double tragedy because the guy who accidentally killed him is also now going to go to prison just for trying to defend his community from the drug menace.

So, it won't be so much as innocent Nigerians being denied visa as it will be innocent Nigerians ending up assaulted or killed due to a minor misunderstanding, solely due to the poor reputation of Nigerians as Drug traders.

Ofcourse I know not all Nigerians are like this, but the average Indian will not care, especially those with families to protect.

The Chief Minister of a small state in India's North East had already publicly called out Nigerians as drug traders (he didn't mince words). And it is only a matter of time before the Central Government of India focuses a massive amount of attention to this particular problem. Especially given how this syndicate of Nigerian drug traders is being controlled and directed from a London based crime syndicate. Tackling an organized drug syndicate operating out of UK and targeting Indians aligns with another foreign policy agenda (Khalistanis) that the Central Government of India is currently dealing with on a bilateral level with the CANZUK nations.

India has many many issues so government usually focuses only on a few issues at a time and solves them completely before moving on to other issues lower down the priority list. By next year, its possible that the Naxalite insurgency will finally be over after decades of fighting, as is the publicly stated goal of Indian Home Minister Amit Shah. Once that decades long problem gets resolved, I expect the focus will shift to fighting drug problem. And then, Nigeria will be one of the major focal points. Amit Shah is a serious person, once he starts focusing on this issue, you can expect harsh measures.

Cleanmouth:
The Indian prime minister Modi is now developing missile defence in partnership with Poland.

Russian S400 is now useless, Turkey & India refused to install the one they bought because they fear that Iran and Houthis now have the code.

What the actual f**k? Since when did India and Poland start working together on Missile Defence?

And Indian S400 are fully integrated into the IACCS (Indian IADS) as was seen in the recent India Pakistan skirmish.

achorladey:
A simple question, the post you read and respond to, does it have anything to do India winning or losing the battle with Pakistan?

What is the difference between the word ally and friends?

Is the relationship between India and Russia as it concerns BRICS an ally or friends?

I want to know where and from whose brains these delusion peddling or joke of analysis peddling comes from.

The crux of the matter.......



In all your joke of an analysis and delusion peddling from your ass you still admit India had loses = injury they suffer and they are to nurse and will definitely nurse. Read with your comprehension skills not to brag about your joke of an analysis or delusions.

Leaving aside your personal attacks, the difference between an ally and a friendly relationship is that in the latter, you don't tie your foreign policy and defence posture with another nation state thereby retaining a great degree of strategic autonomy and sovereignty.
UK and USA are allies. India has no allies, only friendly relationships, because that is what India wants.

BRICS and The Quad are both groupings where nations with partial alignment in their strategic goals come together to coordinate efforts on those goals alone. Russia and India are in a friendly relationship. China is India's main military and strategic threat (officially speaking). Yet all three of these nations are together in the BRICS because they all want to create an alternative to the Western led economic order. For India, this (creating an alternative) is the end goal. For China and maybe Russia, this is just the first step, with the end goal being to destroy the Western led economic order completely.


Learn to appreciate nuance. The tendency to make great sweeping generalizations is the hallmark of a poor analysis.

Finally, when you write that when abc and xyz fought and abc was left nursing its wounds, it implies that xyz "won." This was the original reason I decided to call your analysis garbage and decided to set the record straight. You did it either due to genuinely believing that Pakistan won or due to you attempting to make a great sweeping generalization about a topic you don't know much about (India vs Pakistan) in order to support a larger point about something you know a lot about (Russia vs West). I think its the latter.

HenryWilliams:
What indices was used to compare?
Number of men
Ships?
Destroyers?
Helicopter?
Tanks?

Patriotism in the face of mediocrity..
Nigeria has a large standing army
Largest in Africa
You have barely outdated tucano jets probably 5 or so.
Any military grade attack helicopter?
When last did u see a tank roll by?
All.you see are APC fabricated by Proforce.
Don't let me get started about the Navy..
Jeez

People always seem to underestimate the power of a large, motivated Infantry heavy force. In this era of non contact warfare and multi domain ops, its easy to overlook.
But just how the Russo Ukrainian war turned conventional expectations of modern warfare on its head (conventional expectations like modern wars are going to be short and swift) in a similar manner, this trend of underestimating large Infantry forces, even if without force multipliers, will reverse the day an actual war breaks out near you.

A motivated Infantry force can be devastatingly hard to overcome. And you can't win a war without Infantry. Keep a close eye on Iran Israel conflict. Unless there is a ground invasion into Iran, there will be very little long term change in the nature of that nation. And good luck invading Iran on the ground, that geography is no Iraq.

Similarly, unless Nigeria plans on imperial expansion, a good, strong infantry force should be its bedrock. And it rightfully is so. Destroyers and Attack Helicopters are secondary. And Ballistic Missiles are tertiary concerns from a force planning perspective.

chiagozien:
Yes your Nigeria have.



Just say you have never enter Nigeria arsenal.




👇👇👇

Cool. Can I read up on it somewhere? Links please.

Gbadebo19:
First cut the crap about one nation forcing another to sign an agreement. Consent is an important factor in every agreement and it cannot be gotten via dubious means. If gotten via dubious means, it can be challenged in a court of competent jurisdiction. What you are referring to as "forcing to sign" is actually an agreement made from a position of power. A situation where the offeror has a better negotiating power than the offeree or vice versa.
By saying "forcing to sign", you are only trying to deface the US which is only privileged because it is conducting its negotiation from a position of power.
All this kind of agreement exist in almost every ramification of human contracts. For instance, before opening an account on Facebook, or use a software, you are required to agree to the terms and conditions, failure of which you cannot use their service. Are they also "forcing you to sign?" I will be waiting in the comments....

Right. My bad. By forcing to sign, I didn't mean that USA puts a gun to their heads. Its that they negotiate from a position of strength, so they force their partners on the negotiating table, through negotiations.

I use the word "force" because between 2005, which is when India US relations thawed, till 2016, USA tried very hard to get India to sign the original LSA that it signs with every other country. India didn't budge. In the end, they had to give up and signed an India specific LEMOA instead.

And let me remind you, Logistics Support Agreement is just one of what USA calls "Foundational Agreements" that they force their partners to sign. Others include (I know the India specific names, not the names of the default ones but they are similar) Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) and Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA). These two took even longer to negotiate because USA was forcing India so hard. In the end, India didn't budge and they had to give up and signed India specific agreements in 2020 and 2018 respectively.

Let me reiterate, any nation has the option of simply not signing an agreement with Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam then has the option of choosing not to do business with that country its all perfectly legal.

I don't get why you think forcing someone on the negotiating table is not a thing.

obedience4:
Calm down mate, Even Prime Minister Modi will allow US assets pass through Indian airspace. There's no big deal there

Wrong. What you are talking about is governed by the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) that USA always forces its partners to sign. Only, in India's case, India categorically refused to sign this agreement. As a result an India specific agreement named the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) was signed between USA and India. The entire reason behind this was to ensure India's strategic autonomy.


As a direct result of the above, any US asset that is actively participating in an operation against a third nation will NEVER be allowed to use Indian airspace. This was one of the major sticking points when India had signed the LEMOA contract with USA. India has multiple ADIZs that it controls, it won't let ANY foreign or unknown military entities fly over these ADIZs in any war that India is not a part of. There had been a case in the past too where a private US flight carrying US soldiers home accidentally breached Indian ADIZ and was made to land in India and held there till the issue was resolved at the diplomatic level.

India is very serious when it comes to its own sovereignty. Unlike Pakistan, that quite literally sells its daughters to the Chinese. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/12/5/more-than-600-pakistani-girls-sold-as-brides-to-china

WriterrNg:
⚡India’s PM Modi denies that President Trump played a role in mediating the ceasefire between India and Pakistan, dismissing U.S. efforts to de-escalate the conflict

Looks like after more than a month, this news finally made it here. India has been saying this since day 1. Its not some new news.

Pakistan and USA were the only ones who said that USA mediated the ceasefire. India has always maintained that we refused all US efforts at meditation and told USA repeatedly that we will only talk to the Pakistanis when they are ready to deescalate and call us on the DGMO hotline.

Finally Pakistanis called our DGMO and that lead to the ceasefire. India also declared that India's Op Sindoor is not over and that this ceasefire is only a limited understanding based on Pakistanis promising India that no future terror attacks will happen on India. If Pakistanis break their promise, India will resume Op Sindoor. And also, India will keep the Indus Waters Treaty suspended.

None of these public declarations of India have even been mentioned by foreign media. Why? Because it goes against the narrative Western media is trying to establish.

Now look at the photo below. It will make clear why USA suddenly got all chummy with Pakistan and created this mirage of a US mediated ceasefire between Pakistan and India. They did it because they wanted to use Pakistani airspace and maybe even bases in Pakistan to hit Iran.

achorladey:
India another small ally of Russia in based on the war in Ukraine in recent times got bruised too. They have gone quiet and are still nursing their injuries with Pakistan.

What a joke of an analysis. First of all, India is friendly with Russia, not an ally. And if India is the one nursing its injuries, why is it that the Indus Waters Treaty still suspended? Pakistan won, no? Then why is India still able to stop the flow of rivers into Pakistan? How come winner Pakistan couldn't enforce the conditions for victory?

Winning on social media is one thing, winning in real life is another. When 3rd party satellite imagery confirms that all Pakistani attacks on India were thwarted by Indian Air Defences and that 11 out of the 13 airbases of Pakistan air force received precision hits from Indian attacks, it is clear who won in real life.
Parading around news of Indian jets having been shot down doesn't change the fact, especially when all Indian fighter pilots lived through it and India has got $700 Billion in its forex reserves to just buy a new replacement for the jets it did lose.

It takes an especially delusional person to think Pakistan came out ahead in this confrontation. Nursing wounds my ass.

WarriAproko:
but isreal can own Nuclear weapon to opress the middle East. That's how India wanted to opress Pakistan until they saw hell. Today Pakistan owns it's Nuclear weapon.

You have no idea what you are talking about
India never wanted to oppress Pakistan. Just because two conflicts look similar doesn't mean that they are the same. Israel vs Iran is different than India vs Pakistan.

India simply wants to be left alone. It is a status quo power. Pakistan is a revisionist power and an ideological state. Pakistan's ideology is that of Ghazwa-e-Hind , i.e. turning India into an Islamic nation. Google the Two Nation Theory based on which Pakistan was formed. Modern Republic of India was created an antithesis to this Theory. This is also why Pakistan can not let India exist. India's existence challenges the very rationale that was given by Pakistan's founder for the existence of the Pakistani nation.

So when India got the nuclear weapon in 1974 in response to China, Pakistan decided that the only way to ensure it can continue its objective of Ghazwa e Hind was to get a nuclear weapon of its own, which they did in 1998. Notice that India did not nuke and opress Pakistan between 1974 and 1998 when India had nukes and Pakistan did not have nukes

After that came Pakistani strategy of "bleed India by a thousand cuts" using terrorism under a nuclear umbrella. If India attacks terrorist masterminds in Pakistan, it will threaten to use nuclear weapons on India.

India has a No First Use policy when it comes to Nukes, I.e. India will only use nukes when another country attacks us by nukes first. Pakistan meanwhile has the policy of a nuclear first use, as declared by them officially. And you can watch any crisis between India and Pakistan, it is always Pakistan that threatens to use the nukes. India never makes the nuclear threat.

And then you say India opress Pakistan. SMH.

Note: I have simplified this explanation by not mentioning Pakistan's internal politics in this even though it is the key factor, for the sake of brevity.

HenryWilliams:
Israel has nukes .no one shouted that why?..
India got nukes..no one made a noise
Pakistan got nukes .everyone throway face .
North Korea got nukes ..initial gragra..everyone settle

Don't know about Israel, but all of the other nations you mentioned have faced significant problems and opposition in making their nukes.

Take India for example, it was the first non UNSC P5 nation to make nukes. Watch the following to understand how difficult it was:-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCbCBuycsPE?si=vwyEQzkF6UoPhKea

And this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOD-78_0pPU?si=zXLxRiupZcwiHG91

bigpicture001:
It is not true.. u don't know Russia as much as I them Russia don't care... Do u know that Russia signed a contract to build 8nuclear plant for Iran, and also moved a nuclear plant capable no of producing a weapon and already made weapon to Belarus..?

Mali is plagued by continue attack by Islamists terrorist, the government is just managing to hold head above water
butt Russia still signed two build two nuclear plants there.. also to build two in Burkina Faso with same in fighting with terrorists...

I am dissapointed u claimed Russia restrained cuz of it's consequences... Russia built iran's nuclear plants and have been transfering tech to get it to weapons grade... Russia did same for North Korea...

U just dnt know what u are saying if u use Russia as example... North Korea has nukes and threatening south and Japan with it daily... Both south and Japan has money and know how to about 70% to make the bomb.. but the Us keeps blocking them using pleas and joint military collaboration in case of south Korea aggressive tendency towards nuke use ... Both agree not to own theirs..

Russia ND china are total evil state...

Buddy. Russia is a big player in the civilian Nuclear Reactor sector. They're building nuclear reactors in many countries, like Bangladesh. These can't be used to build nuclear weapons or India wouldn't have ever allowed Russia to make these reactors in Bangladesh.

These reactors are 3+ generation pressurized water reactors (PWR). They use LEU as fuel. Nuclear Weapons need HEU, and more advanced ones rely more on Plutonium, with very little Uranium.

We Indians used to buy a lot of weapons from Russia. Let me say this, Russians are no saints. They will NEVER give nuclear weapons tech to anyone. Heck, we had to pay through our nose to get some assistance in Naval nuclear reactors for nuclear submarines we Indians built (CLWR-B1 reactor in Arihant class submarines). And this is when we already had the technology to produce HEU, which is the critical factor as we use it as fuel in these reactors (this is HEU but still only around 40% of the enrichment needed for Nuclear Weapons).

So, no. Russia is not giving Iran Nuclear Weapons technology. As for North Korea, I don't know about Russia, I only know that Pakistani nuclear proliferator AQ Khan (Google this bastard, CIA called him as dangerous as Osama Bin Laden) helped North Korea.
Incidentally, he was also arrested in Pakistan for selling nuclear weapons know how to Iran. Which he accepted that he had done.

DomPerignon:
You got it twisted.

Pakistan handed India their ass to them.

Do you know how many Indian fighter jets got blown up by Pakistan missiles midair using Chinese targeting radar technology ?

The Chinese used the aerial war to tweek their AD and radar detection to great effect.

India lost woefully and had to backtrack

Before conflict: India suspends the Indus Water Treaty and starts building new dams as well as uses existing dams to stop flow of rivers into Pakistan. These rivers are the source of 80% of Pakistan's river water.

After conflict: Pakistan declares victory even though India continues to stop the flow of rivers into Pakistan. Indus Water treaty is still suspended.

Slow claps for fools who think Pakistan won. If they won, why is Indus Water Treaty still suspended genius?

According to Pakistani propaganda, Pakistan was winning and somehow India begged Trump to broker ceasefire. Why didn't Pakistan refuse and just keep winning against India until India agreed to reinstate the Indus Waters Treaty?

After conflict: India shows satellite photos from commercial satellite imagery as evidence of precise hits on 11 Pakistani airbases, their Air Defences and 9 terrorist bases in Pakistan. Further India shows photo and satellite evidence of no damage to Indian airbases.

Pakistan claims 5 Indian jets downed but has no proof other than unnamed sources and a lot of articles and news pieces they paid foreign media to write.

Assuming Pakistan is right, ask them why they shot down Indian jets only on day 1 of the conflict? Why not on the last day, when India hit all their airbases? They made their claim of 5 jets shot down on day 1 and that was it. They didn't even make any claims on subsequent days of the conflict.

BlueRayDick:
I guess u are Indian by nationality right ?

Yep. I am completely Indian. Never been outside India. Until a few years ago, I didn't know much about Africa, other than the bad things that the foreign media tells us. Then I got interested into geopolitics and realized that Africa would be a great ally against the Western imperialism. Much better than China that wants to outright fight the West and establish its own empire like USA. India and Africa, we both only want to be left alone so that we can grow our economies, we don't want to see the Western world fall, just want to grow strong enough so that we can negotiate with the west from a position of strength.

So I started reading about Africa from African news media sites. Started from Zimbabwe, then Kenya until I landed up on Nigeria and finally Nairaland. Opened my eyes to the fact that we all are facing very similar issues as nations.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
So do you agree that Pakistan downed Indian fighter jets?

Yes. They manged to down Indian jet(s) on only the first day when Indian politicians had issued RoE that prohibited IAF from attacking Pakistani military targets, only allowing persecution of only terrorist targets.

How many did they shoot down? No idea, nobody but the IAF knows. Good thing is that all Indian fighter pilots are alive.

Furthermore, Pakistan was unable to down a single Indian jet on the subsequent days of this conflict once the RoE was relaxed to include Pak military targets.

I mean, India hit 11 airbases deep inside Pakistan on the final day of combat and Pakistan was unable to down a single Indian jet on that day.

BlueRayDick:
Below is the original post u quoted



Roland said he’s not putting the cause of the crash past maintenance related rather than just hastily concluding the plane manufacturer is at fault . He says the fact that India is a developing country and not there yet like developed countries like America and the likes; there’s high chance there were lapses in the maintenance of the aircraft .



You are the one who introduced the vocabulary “ third world country “ into the discussion . You are the one that keep harping on the crash being as a result of India being a third world country .

The person u quoted just pointed it out that maintenance may be an issue as in the case for some developing countries .

Try calm down small

Sorry. I am a bit on edge, not only due to the crash, but because of people online from Brits to Singaporeans celebrating or making fun of the crash, all because they all buy the propaganda that India is some sort of backwaters Banana republic. So any suggestion that the possible maintenance issue is due to India being a developing nation, is deeply infuriating to me.

My point still stands though. India has a good commercial aviation record as per the data and as per ICAO.

I will concede though, Nairaland has been a lot more civil about this crash than most of the people from the so called Developed world. Goes to show that the right attitude is independent of a nation's development status.

Kingsnairaland:
Even Pakistani that is wiser than them bought China missile to fend off India

Funny how Indian attacks penetrated all their Chinese bought air defences and allowed India to hit almost every single airbase of the Pakistan Air Force, not with sporadic hits, but with precision strikes that are now visible on satellite imagery from any commercial satellite provider.

If there is one lesson people should take away from India Pakistan skirmish of 2025, it is that its not about what you buy, rather it is about what you integrate

Pakistani air defences were not properly integrated on one network to the same extent that the Indian air defences were. Which is why all but one Pakistani strikes on India were blocked whereas India managed to hit almost all airbases in Pakistan with impunity and precision.

On the other hand, with these same air defense missiles, China is still has a much more formidable AD grid, because the Chinese AD is as well integrated as the Indian AD network.

LeanonGOD:
SHOLAY an India movie by Amitah Bachan
DADA AWURU a Yoruba movie

Two recent Indian movies that are based on true events and among the best Indian movies ever made:-
12th Fail (2023)
Sardar Udham (2021)

These two will make you feel a lot of things and will make you cry more than Like Stars on Earth. BTW, you cried watching Sholay? Lmao.