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QuinQ:The intent wasn't to deceive. My source was IMF: https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/NGA/IND I have since corrected my original comment. We both agree that India and Nigeria per capita income being similar means similarity in the state of development of city infrastructure. But as a whole, India is hyped up because of its tech, economy and industry.
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QuinQ:Read my comment. That is exactly what I am saying. The difference is not that great in GDP per capita. The difference is in technological prowess, industrial output and sheer geopolitical heft. India is a third world nation that commands the military and economic strength surpassing many first world nations, like our former colonizers, the Brits. |
I'm an Indian from India. I don't get what this entire thread is about. India's per capita GDP is $2880 while Nigeria's is $1621 So no wonder some places in Nigeria look a good as some places in India. Add to it the corruption in the Municipal Corporations in India and the fact that we have millions of immigrants flooding into Delhi every year and its no wonder that the city's infrastructure can't always keep pace. Keep in mind, this city has almost as much GDP as entire Nigeria. So the comparison is a bit off.... Reason India is hyped up is because it is the fastest growing major economy on the planet, just overtook Japan this year, will overtake Germany next year. And the other reason India is hyped up is because of Indian technology. A small example of the same, look at how 5G rollout in India was much faster and more widespread than even Europe. And then go read about how India is among the top nations that are doing R & D and owning intellectual property in 6G technologies like THz communications. Or look at Indian advancements in Supercomputing, Quantum Key Encryption, Hyperspectral Imaging, deep sea mining, etc. Indian firms are getting contracts from US military these days, like Pixxel aerospace that got contract for Hyperspectral imaging payloads that Pixxel made with Indian technology. https://x.com/IndianTechGuide/status/1715639233053143468 Photo shows Indian 5G rollout compared to Europe.
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shoodboi2:What utter nonsense. You guys keep fixating on loss of a couple of fighter jets insomuch that you have totally misread the situation. Indian Air Force has actually gained the confidence of the Indian public and government after their attacks. They hit the most defended targets in Pakistan, 11 airbases, with pin point precision. They hit hangars, airstrips, command centers and air defence radars. Satellite images from multiple sources confirmed the sheer accuracy of these hits. They defended the entire Indian airspace with just one Pakistani drone managing to land one non critical hit on some barracks somewhere that killed one Indian Airman (medical specialist). Pakistan sent more than 1200 drones and many long range missiles like the CM 400AKG and the Fatah 1. These drones and missiles were ALL intercepted. And you think people lost confidence in IAF all because a few fighter jets were lost on only the first day when the politicians had tied IAF hands by asking them to hit the terrorist targets in Pakistan without hitting Pak military targets? If IAF jets were so bad, why did India not lose a single jet after the first day? Even though these same jets launched hits on the Paki airbases on the last day? Compare this time's performance to their performance in 2019 Balakote airstrikes, where there was a friendly fire incident of an Indian helicopter getting shot down by an Indian SAM system because of conflicting orders regarding IFF. What an echo chamber. No propensity for critical thinking. Oh well, Pak military got the message. That is sufficient. |
kurupt007:Factually incorrect. GDP per capita (nominal, 2023):- India: $2487 Nigeria: $1646 Source: UN People living in extreme poverty India: 15 million (1% of population) Nigeria: 70 million (31% of population Source: https://worldpoverty.io/ Income inequality (GINI index, lower is better) India: 32.8 Nigeria: 35.1 Source: World Bank Hence proven that:- Indians are, on average, richer than Nigerians. India has a much lower number and even lower percent of its citizens living in extreme poverty than Nigeria. India has less income inequality (gap between rich and poor) than Nigeria. (As per GINI index) |
lawani:Look, I don't know much about the Ukraine Russia conflict or the Israel Gaza conflict. I mean I know as much as the average Joe does, but I'm smart enough to know that that level of understanding is woefully inadequate in matters such a these. But the one conflict that I do understand very well is India Pakistan one. And let me tell you straight up, your hypothesis that wars are due to resource scarcity is balderdash. Some conflicts are ideological in nature, and no matter how much you drown Pakistan in resources, they will still always have Ghazwa-e-Hind in their hearts and minds. And they'll always attack India. Such is the ideology in this case. There is no debating with such an enemy. We've tried. In Hindi we have a saying "lato ke bhooth bato se nahi mante" i.e. Those that understand only kicks won't understand with words/talks. |
Gbadebo19:Don't know about other countries but in India, legit drone operators, even individuals, have to adhere to NPNT (No Permission No Takeoff) under which everytime someone wants to fly a drone, they must log in to an app and seek permission. Once the permission is granted, the drone can fly. Which means that any drone that is flying without permission is a potential threat and is hence neutralized by C-UAS. So he isn't wrong. It makes sense to shoot down any drone that is flying without permission. Even if that drone is not violating any no fly zones. |
tnerro1:Apples and Oranges. Most of you casual observers have no context. The era from 1998 onwards to 2025 was an era of strategic restraint by the Republic of India. This was imposed by the politicians of the nation (namely Minister Jaswant Singh) and was in direct opposition to the prevailing national mood (what the people of India wanted) and also in opposition to what the security apparatus, especially the Indian Armed Forces, were suggesting. This era of strategic restraint has finally ended in this recent India Pakistan conflict of 2025. And most casuals, too focused on potential loss of a Rafale fighter jet, completely missed this rubicon moment and the real significance of the past few weeks. In 1998, Pakistan tested is nuclear bombs for the first time and became a nuclear nation (this is an oversimplification, actually nuclear deterrence had set in in the Indian subcontinent by early 1990s right after Soviet Union collapse, but let's set that aside for now). After testing nukes, Pakistan followed the strategy of fomenting terrorism in India under a nuclear umbrella. This so called nuclear blackmail continued through the following events:- Kargil war of 1999; Attack on Indian Parliament 2001, Op Parakram and the Kaluchak massacre in 2002; 26/11 Mumbai attacks in 2008; ...... and so on. And each time, India exercised restraint. Even in the Kargil war of 1999, there was strategic restraint by the Indian side: no crossing of LoC even by fighter jets, no expansion of the war to the international border theatre or the naval theater. The reversal on this strategic restraint policy started after Modi became PM in 2014. And therefore you had 2016 Uri retaliation, 2019 Balakote airstrikes and finally you have Op Sindoor in 2025. It was finally in Op Sindoor that the nuclear bluff of Pakistan was finally called. While most casual observers are busy discussing Indian or Pakistani military hardware loses, Rafale lost, and other things of low consequence, the REAL, consequential, paradigm shift that has occurred in India and its decision making in the security domain has simply gone over yours and most people's heads. Only serious Indian military analysts who have watched primarily Indian geopolitics for the last few decades, have been able to see this real impact of Op Sindoor. So your comparison with Israel and its neighborhood situation is just a hypersimplification born out of ignorance. India operates in a completely different environment and with completely different constraints. Don't take my word for this, simply listen to Lt. General Shukla and Lt. General Vij. Watch what he says at 2:50 onwards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_33vVKfjeM?si=i2QlqZnf-EzhgJUf |
Biodun556:Chinese tech has already overtaken Russian tech. Americans have a lead in many cases but the Chinese are catching up fast. |
dominique:Fell like a pack of cards? Gods, the delusions some people have. To think that the side that provided visual evidence of its defence of its own airbases and also provided verifiable visual evidence of strikes on almost every single Pakistani airbase, is somehow the loser in the conflict just because it may have lost a few planes (of which only partial evidence of the downing of one jet has been presented........ These delusions of grandeur that Pakisyanis perpetuate might be the best weapons India has. Because when their delusions meet reality, like on 16 Dec 1971, we get to enjoy watching them being jolted back to reality. Levels of delusions in Pakistanis after this conflict, exhibit A (see photo below)
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agentarcher:I posted literal photo and video evidence of an Indian designed and made fighter jet radar. The radar is the most significant avionics equipment on a fighter jet. And your reply was "India doesn't make avionics ree, I heard on forum ree" I explained how literally every piece of equipment on the Indian Tejas Mk1A is going to be Indian designed and developed with the sole exception of the engine. And you still consider it to be a foreign fighter jet. Mind you, Turkey, South Korea, Sweden and until recently even China was in the same category. Or worse. This is flat earther level of delusions. Sure man, whatever rocks your boat. |
agentarcher:Your claims are as asnine as claiming that USA never landed on the moon. India designed EVERYTHING of the Tejas Mk1A fighter jet other than TWO THINGS: ENGINE AND EJECTION SEAT. Look at the old photo below, that is the Mk1 version. See its almost mostly Indian. By officially state figures, 70% (by part count) of the Tejas Mk1 is Indian designed, developed and manufactured. That number is set to go up to 90% for Tejas Mk2. Everything from sensors, actuators, avionics, sensor fusion, weapons, fly by wire, composite structures, radome, landing gear, tires, brake discs, bubnle canopy, life support systems, etc EVERYTHING is all being developed in India FROM SCRATCH. For the remaining 30% parts that are imported, see first photo is have posted and read below how most of those imported parts now have Indian analogues in design or testing and will shortly be replacing the imported parts There are two Israeli flags in the photo I posted. One is for the radar, one is for the SDR. In the later Mk1A production models, instead of the Israeli radar, an Indian Gallium Arsenide AESA Radar named UTTAM AESA RADAR is to be used. That thing was developed completely in India. See photos below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttam_AESA_Radar The SDR is Israeli because Indian Air Force selected it for the entire air fleet. The SDR used by Indian navy is completely Indian designed and developed, so its not like we don't have the technology. Also the the Israeli SDR is manufactured in India by Indian company Astra Microwave Tech Ltd. British flags are for ejection seat, IFR probe and radome. The new Indian radome and IFR probes have finished testing and will replace the British made counter parts. The Indian designed replacement of the British ejection seat is a recently started project and will take a few years to achieve satisfactory reliability. French flag is for MFD. But now an Indian company BEL makes the MFD displays, so that is also history. That leaves the American flag for the engine and the a Russian flag for the guns. The engine we can't make on our own yet. I wrote that in my first comment itself. This is the biggest technological challenge India is currently facing. And the Russian flag is for the guns, we are making that particular gun in India under license and don't want to reinvent the wheel because it's not something that we can't make or repair on our own (its not very high tech). Its low priority, so we'llkeep the Russian gun. Indian missile and radar technologies have already crossed the critical threshold where we are making almost everything in India. Its the same for hypersonic tech. India has DRDO HSTDV and ISRO ATV. Two separate scramjet engine programs that are completely Indian. The Russians claim they'll give us Hypersonic tech via BrahMos 2, but no deal for it has ever been signed. And Russians don't do charity. They make us pay through our nose for every single piece of tech they sell us. So your claims are bogus. Kindly read up more on the topic. You're woefully under/mis-informed. And if you wish to claim that any particular part of what I claim to be Indian is not Indian, then please mention the exact part you are talking about and I will give you PROOF of it being Indian. This is my subject of expertise, so please go ahead and ask. Just ask one by one, don't make all those broad sweeping statements like the ones you made in your previous comment. Be specific. Like what exact thing in what exact jet is not Indian. And I'll give you accurate answer with proof. Or you can ask about a particular technology. Like radars, or missiles or focal planar arrays for use in IIR sensors, etc for example. When you are being specific, I can provide proof. So please be specific. Which tech do you think India doesn't have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfdquRC1QTw?si=VdsopsSyWGFBlMP3 This is a video of the scientists and engineers that worked. This is just one video of a large series of videos. Just to give you an idea of exactly how, who and where the technology for Tejas was developed. Honestly, I think you are severely underestimating Indian technological prowess. India holds the world record for longest distance quantum entanglement communication over commercial optical fiber cables at around 380 km. India holds the world record for the deepest operation of a sea crawler for deep sea mining ops (Google NIOT Varaha). India is a rising technological juggernaut that countries like USA tried to sabotage many times. Yet India is developing tech that is being denied to it. Yet here you are, thinking that all Indian tech is just a hand me down from Russia or USA. If it was this simple, Nigeria would also have the same level of technological achievements that India has. There are no free lunches in this world.
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agentarcher:Indian fighter jets of Indian design that weren't made in collaboration with USA or Russia:- Retired: HAL Marut (First jet fighter designed in Asia to actually enter military service, ahead of China or Japan or Korea) In service: LCA Tejas Mk1, Mk1A In prototype stage: HAL Tejas Mk2, HAL AMCA In design stage: HAL TEDBF |
IMEI:Spot even a SINGLE lie in the Indian military press briefings of the recent conflict. Just one. And I'll believe you. Fair warning though, you won't be able to. |
DeathParade:India has been developing its own Iron Dome type system for anti drone defence. It's the Bhargavastra MicroSAM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN5evzUfPLk?si=FJZ3C_yAQk3xxcuj It wasn't available for this India Pakistan conflict. But next time, it will be. On 13 May 2025, they tested the system in presence of Indian military officers. Relevant tweet with video:-
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Biodun556:PAKISTAN >Claims that jets on both sides didn't ingress into enemy airspace. >Claims, that it shot down 6 enemy aircraft and states exact type of aircraft shot. Provides no real proof other than media "unnamed sources" and one single morphed photo of a single engine that may have been something else. >Claims to have hit enemy airbase and destroyed enemy Air defence system, provides no actual proof (tried to provide doctored sat images, got fact checked by neutral satellite OSINT as well as, enemy. Enemy provides photo and video evidence that its airbase and air defense system is intact. >Claims USA mediated a ceasefire agreement and thanks USA. >Claims India begged USA for ceasefire. INDIA >Claims that jets on both sides didn't ingress into enemy airspace. >Claims, that it may have shot down enemy aircraft but does not state exact type of aircraft shot by pointing to point 1 and how that means the wreckage feel into enemy territory and hence how kill can't be physically confirmed immediately. >Claims to have hit almost every single one of the enemy airbases and destroyed many enemy Air defence radars, provides independently verifiable proof in form of before and after satellite photos. Enemy doesn't provide counter proof. >Doesn't mention the words USA or Ceasefire. Claims there is no ceasefire, only a temporary stop of military activity which can and will be revoked the instant enemy tries to breach the understanding. >Claims Pakistan DGMO called Indian DGMO begging for ceasefire. These are based on the official statements of both sides. No media nonsense in these lines. Go check if you want. The intelligent can realize from these lines that which side had begged for a ceasefire. I don't need to tell anyone anything. The world knows. |
Tinfoil:The entire Indian IADS proved it's worth. The IACCS is a nation-wide IADS that includes not just S-400 but also Barak 8, Akash and its newer variants, SPYDER, upgraded Bofors L70, etc. The S400 helped by ensuring that Paki jets had to stay low even when over Paki airspace. But most missile interceptions were by Barak 8 and most drone interceptions were by the Indian upgraded Bofors L70 and the Indian D4 C-UAS system. Pakis countered this by using civilian airliners as human shields. Anyways, S-400 were only a stop-gap purchase till India's own Project Kusha matures in the next 5 years. More than half of the other modernization efforts of Indian IADS are yet to be deployed, yet Pakis couldn't beach our IACCS. Once all those other upgrades and especially our Multi static VHF radars mature and get deployed by 2030, the Indian IACCS will be impregnable to the Pakis and ready to withstand even the mighty PLAAF. |
Biodun556:Withstand my a$$. Almost every single Paki airbase got hit. India provided sat images as proof. Pak said they hit India at Adampur airbase. Saying they got S400 and the runway. Next day itself Modi visited Adampur airbase and debunked all Paki myths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8TLylSe8so?si=S3vnV8gbX03l2MOc These GFP comparisons of who has how many tanks is just as irrelevant as who won the propaganda war. What matters is doctrine, training and execution. Equipment is only a part of the equation. I don't need to tell who won or didn't win. The relevant authorities on both sides know exactly who won. The rest of the people can be made gullible fools, misdirected by the potential downing of a handful of fighter jets. But the authorities on both sides know how one side had total operational dominance and was actually able to hit targets with impunity. Cherry on the top, Pak generously validated Indian weapon systems. Thereby giving an impetus to the Indian weapons industry. Now that our Armed Forces have seen Indian weapons be baptized by fire, they'll no longer be apprehensive of ordering from within India. Thanks to Pakistan. |
Bittersweetnig: Rossikk:Thanks for the answers friends. Can you please tell me where I can read about Nigerian insurgency online to learn about it? I have just opened wikipedia, but I dont know if it is considered a reliable source for this conflict. Wiki has known to have biases... thanks in advance. agentarcher:India does design and make its own fighter jets, starting right from raw material stage. Only in jet engine technology we are behind. But that doesn't mean we don't design and develop fighter jets independently. |
Bittersweetnig:I'm new here, so I don't know much about Nigeria and its insurgencies, but in India, Indian government has a law that prevents Indian Armed Forces from being used for internal security duty except in special cases like Jammu and Kashmir. And even in Jammu and Kashmir, they are not allowed to use any heavy weaponry like tanks, jets, attack helicopters, etc. Basically, Indian laws prevent usage of heavy Indian weapons against its own citizens no matter the situation, even if it is insurgency and seperatism. Does Nigeria not have a similar law? Maybe that is the reason the Nigerian Air Force isn't participating in anti- insurgency operations? |
I have no clue what shitshow has been going on in this thread and why. Its perfectly clear that:- 1.) Terrorists targeted non-muslims in the Pahalgam attack. There is no dispute about this, every single eye witness gave the same testimony. 2.) Pakistan has been attacking India through LeT and JeM. TRF is just a mask, not some splinter group, of LeT. All of these are protected, financed and trained by the Pakistan Army and ISI. 3.) Indian Intel intercepts and sources about how Pakistan is involved in the terrorist attack in Pahalgam will be presented by India at the UN. 4.) India had allowed Pakistan to join investigations of many previous terrorist attacks on Indian soil. For example, the Pathankot airbase attack in 2016. Here it is stated on record the details on the official Indian foreign ministry website, the answer to a question asked in the Indian parliament about the same issue. Read: https://www.mea.gov.in/lok-sabha.htm?dtl/26689/QUESTION_NO614_INVESTIGATION_INTO_PATHANKOT_ATTACK Honestly, at this point, wondering whether Pakistan is the one that carried out any terrorist attack in India is akin to questioning whether the earth is round or flat. Only two types of people engage in this kind of questioning:- 1.) Naive people who have never actually studied the Kashmir terrorism since the 1990s. 2.) Terrorist sympathizers. If people on this thread that are raising this question belong to category 1, my answer should at least give them pause. But if they're from the category 2, then I don't plan on engaging their drivel. Terrorist sympathizers are evil. |
Biodun556:The objective total peace. And to achieve that, the main goal is to deradicalize Pakistan, erasing the idea of Ghazwa-e-Hind from the mind of every single child, adult, male and female Pakistani citizen. And replace it with a live and let live mentality. Everything else in service to that. But in this case, the interim goal is to impose a cost on Pakistan enough to make them change their strategy of using terrorists as plausible deniable instrument of Pakistani state. Watcharena:Pakistan has been providing security to Masood Azhar (UN designated terrorist) and his mosque in Bhawalpur which was the target that India struck. Video evidence of the same from six years ago:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXJfbf2F35I?si=FLvkm3N_1EDM9-uS After the attack, Masood Azhar broadcasted a message stating in record how the attack killed 10 members of his family. Which further proves that this was the home of a terrorist. As for India's reasons of not involving Pakistan into a joint investigation, watch this to understand:- https://youtube.com/shorts/3uM9PQm6j64?si=4bj0dtzTiJ5cynTg Ask USA why they couldn't just talk to Pakis and have them give USA Osama Bin Laden. Why do a secret surgical strike to eliminate OBL? Google who Ajmal Kasab was, read his story. You'll know why we blame Pakistan for terror attacks on India. And here is Pakistan Air force spokesperson on record accepting that Pulwama terror attack was orchestrated by the Pak military. He says "Pulwama was tactical brilliance."
Pakistan supporting terrorist activity in India is no secret. There has been enough proof. But if you still want proof of this attack in Pahalgam being a Pakistani plan, keep your eye on the International court of justice where India will present the evidence in a few weeks. Biodun556:What a circlejerk you people have going on here. Hilarious. |
Biodun556:You're proving my point. Focusing on military hardware so much that you entirely miss the change in intent of the Indian state. Try to compare the response of the Indian state to 26/11 and the response to Pahalgam attack. Then read the transcript of the speech by Modi today. You'll understand what just happened. 5th gen fighters of Pak can shoot down Indian fighters with 5:1 kill ratio in Pakistani favor during the next conflict and it won't stop India from trying to achieve its objective. That is what intent means. Loses occur in war. India is far more capable of replacing the loses than Pakistan. Till now, only the intent in the political leadership was lacking. Now, that has changed. Casual observers like you won't understand the geostrategic importance of what is happening right now. |
Its hilarious how the world is focused completely on just the number and type of fighter jets that got shot down. Loses that can easily be replaced, especially on the Indian side. Meanwhile, in the real world, Modi just announced a paradigm shift in India's Anti-terrorism strategy and also announced a completely new Pakistan strategy. Casual observers just don't understand how big of a change has occurred in the past 20 odd days. This paradigm shift in policy is bigger than any military aspect of this war. India's intent has changed. Pakistan shot itself in the foot with the Pahalgam attack. 20 years from now, they'll accept that this is where it all started going sideways. So excited for the future now. |
Olatunji1929:I told you to watch the official press conferences of both Indian and Pakistani military and form your own opinions. If you think that's propaganda, I can't help you. Maybe start by looking at what propaganda is in the dictionary. Bigsam99:My bad |
Bigsam99:The amount of misinformation on this particular forum is so much, I dont even feel like wasting my time here. Its as if you people don't spare any real critical thinking power to analyze information presented to you, you just read what the media is saying and let that inform your opinions. Textbook case of a people ripe for social programming. For anybody even modestly interested in the truth, simply stop watching MSM/SM, and go watch the OFFICIAL PRESS CONFERENCE of both India and Pakistan military. And even in the press conferences, only believe the things for which proof is presented. And then you'll know the truth. India presented before and after pics of satellite images of targets hit and also presented photo evidence that India's own airbases were intact. Pakistan provided no authentic before and after satellite images. Don't take my words for it. Watch it yourself:- https://www.youtube.com/live/VUXwnp_6vB8?si=zTXmccuCt9DFYZ2U Whatever the case, Pakistan got the message, terrorists died and we got to test our weapons systems. That's the real world result. Propaganda doesn't win wars. One day my Paki and Chinese enemies will realize this. |
NOETHNICITY:Shut up when you clearly have not watched any Indian military press conference. Indian government has not lied even once. Its the Indian media that claimed all these loses occurred on Paki side. Indian Director General of Air Ops (DGAO) clearly refused to specify what loses were inflicted on either side in the air campaign just today in the press briefing. He stated that since we are in the middle of ops, he won't reveal Indian loses till Op Sindoor ends officially. And he didn't mention what Paki loses were in the air because all kills occurred in BVR range and the wreckage fell on Paki side, so they are still collating data to see what exactly happened. War is not your social media nonsense. Professional forces like the Indian Armed Forces take time to verify and release information. And they follow proper OPSEC. Watch today's press conference to see the level of professionalism in the Indian forces. They showed proofs of all they claimed. Photo evidence. Watch it, we hit Pakistan's airbase right next to their nuclear weapons storage sites, evidence at 27:00 in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ExQkMuJKeU?si=-mUzKJQz7UpXeGXt The ONLY thing that DGAO accepted clearly was that all Indian Fighter Pilots are accounted for. That they are all alive. |
First casualty on Indian side after Pakistan broke ceasefire https://x.com/BSF_India/status/1921239531010875827 Look at the time of this tweet. 5pm IST the ceasefire was announced. And for those mumus that say India vs Pakistan is Hindu vs Muslim. This Border Security Force Sub Inspector Imteyaz, who was martyred just now, was a Muslim. Fighting for India against Pakistan.
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Kingsnairaland:Fake news. Be careful. Lots of deepfakes doing the rounds. Just check these conferences are streamed only on the official youtube channel:- https://www.youtube.com/live/REnzRPiVLKY?si=ZfJwltqVYDl3R_zO 23jerryking:Thanks friend. Don't worry though. They haven't managed to beat our Bofors L70 battery in the past 3 days. Likely won't get through tonight as well. |
LordAdam16:And that ceasefire lasted just 3 hours. Right now i'm hearing explosions in my city as Paki drones are being intercepted. Again. The blackout is back. Again. Well done Pakistan. I knew they'll break the ceasefire. Bloody hell. shoodboi2:Yeah, no. Nobody in India is seriously considering buying the |