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LordAdam16:Its medium..... drone swarms can be targeted effectively by only four means:- Electronic Warfare (EW) Directed Energy Weapons (DEW) [Lasers and Masers] AAA and CRAM/CIWS MicroSAM In the Indian scenario: EW Systems already in service with Indian Army and Air Force and some smaller one even available with Border Security Force, so readiness level high. DEW Current Indian Laser tech has only managed 30kW Laser weapons which are in service with the Indian Forces in small numbers. Can only handle smaller quad/hexacopters, not larger fixed wing kamikaze drones like Shahed 136. India's DRDO currently working on 60kW and 100kW laser systems that will be comparable to the latest American systems in power rating. But it'll take at least 10 years before the Indian Forces start inducting these in large numbers. AAA, CIWS, CRAM India has around 1000 older Bofors L70 AAA guns out of which 200 were modernized by Indian industry and its these 200 guns that were the MVP of this skirmish. The Pakis were sending around 400-500 kamikaze drones each wave (watch Indian Ministry Briefings of last three days). And the guns managed to shoot down EVERY single drone. The Indian conglomerate Larsen & Tubro has created a new 40mm CIWS called Sudarshan. It has a muzzle programmable airburst round similar to the Oerlikon Millenium gun and its AHEAD ammo. This is currently the best solution to drone swarms in the world. Indian Air Force had already placed an order of 240 Sudatshan CIWS, which is enough to protect every single Indian Airbase from all directions. Indian Army is still holding weapons trials for this system but once cleared, they'll order 1000 Sudarshan CIWS, to replace all old Bofors L70 guns. MicroSAM and Missile CIWS Two systems have finished design phase and are now undergoing live testing. First is Bhargavastra, a MicroSAM. And the next is DRDO/Adani VSHORADs. Both will enter service in next 3 years. Radars and other EOTS The radars and EOTS to tackle massive drone swarms are all ready as per the Indian industry but only half way through their introduction in the Indian Armed Forces. Once all the above finally enter into Indian service within next 5 years (except Lasers), the ability of IACCS to handle drone swarms will increase by a factor of 10 or more compared to right now. Then I would rate it very high instead of medium. There is also ADGMS program, but that's to protect Indian Army when it rolls into Pakistan, so I'll leave it be. |
obedience4:GoI hasn't accepted or denied the claims yet. In fact, they aren't announcing any hits on anyone's fighters right now. Why? Because ops are still ongoing, so doesn't make sense to provide free BDA to the enemy by listing out what we have lost. So right now, I just don't know what actually happened. Fog of war. One thing that is certain though, is that India hasn't lost a single fighter pilot yet. This has been announced, that all fighter pilots are accounted for. And till date in all wars since 1947, India has never ever tried to hide its human loses. The minute a soldier or officer gets KIA or MIA, the Indian Armed Forces announce the deaths. And then his body is returned to his hometown where he is given last rites with full military honors and our media covers the entire event live for every soldier. Happened against China in Galwan Valley clash 2020 too. And just yesterday a soldier was killed by Pakis on the LoC. Naik from Telangana state, if I remember right. He was announced KIA, his body returned to his hometown thousand km away and the media covered his funeral and interviewed his uncle. So, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that all our fighter pilots are alive and well. Now assuming we've lost a jet. So what? Big deal. This is war. Loses occur. And this is just a loss of an airframe, the pilot is alive. The loss will be studied and tactics modified from lessons learnt. That is the job of the Indian Air Force TACDE unit. Its normal, really. We have hundreds of fighter jets engaging in BVR combat, a multi force engagement with heavy presence of SAM, complex terrain and a dense Electronic Warfare environment. And the enemy has been using civilian airliners as a shield. So loses are normal. India has $700 Billion in its cash reserves right now, that's enough to buy 2800 Rafale fighters. So a single lost airframe can be replaced. What is more important is that the cost must be imposed on Pakistan. That is the political and military objective. And that's happening. A nation whose cash reserves are so low that they need to beg for $1 Billion loans from the IMF (happened just yesterday), to them, loss of an airframe might be a big deal. Not to us. |
Jovi10:S400 is just one part of the entire Indian Integrated Air Defence Grid. Google IACCS. That is what is protecting India from all those drone attacks from Pakistan. IACCS is a massive automated network that consists of:- Indian BMD System (AAD, PDV Mk1, PDV Mk2, AD-1) S-400 Barak 8 Akash SPYDER Samar Pechora Shilka Bofors L70 upgraded (Many more, I'm not including the radars like Aslesha, LRTR, MOTR, etc) More to come in coming years are:- Project Kusha Akash NG QRSAM Sudarshan CIWS No Paki attacks are getting through yet. |
CapitalBank:You have no idea what you are talking about. India is attacking Pskistan because of the Pahalgam terrorist attack. The terror organizations involved in it and this attacked were LeT and JeM. They are terrorist orgs created by Pakistan and aimed exclusively at India. USA is far removed from the triggers of this fight. The do have an angle, but the aren't a main player in this |
If any of you have even a modest interest in the truth, I suggest you follow the twitter/X handle @PIBFactCheck It is the official Govt. Of India fact checking handle that is not only busting Paki propaganda but is also busting pro- India propaganda from Indian media itself. Because TRP hungry Indian media are liars just like Pakistan military. But the Govt. Of India wants truth to prevail. |
This entire website Naira land is covering the Pak India conflict of 2025 with mostly Pakistani propaganda. Till date I haven't seen a single mention of the daily press conferences by Govt. of India where claims are being made with proper proof and propaganda is being countered again with proof. None of the people on this forum would have seen that the day Pakistan surrendered in the 1971 war, the headlines of its newspaper read "Victory on all fronts", a truly Baghdadi Bob moment. Pakistan is a nation whose top ministers spout bold faced lies, such as the recent one where CNN journalist made Pakistan's Defence Minister admit that his claims of shooting down 5 Indian jets was based on "Social Media posts", you can see video of that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_NwqW6Ka3E?si=XwnZ7OfxR0BTB5Ik This entire website will likely remain enamored by Paki lies till the end of this conflict. Only once the fog of war settles will y'all realize how you were misled by Paki lies and how every single thing stated by Indian officials during their daily press briefings was the absolute truth. The inscription under the Emblem of the Republic of India (dates back to the Ashoka Pillar inscription from 2300 years ago) reads "Satyamev Jayte" which means Truth Alone Triumphs in Sanskrit language. India will win. Truth will win. You can choose to believe in one sided Paki narratives like an ostrich, but the truth is something you will have to accept one day. Here is a Pakistani newspaper article from 2015 writing how Pakistani habit of lying damages its own country. Believing in one’s own propaganda: Newspapers of Dhaka and the war of 1971 What happened in Pakistan during 1971 continues to be the case when it comes to media’s coverage of Balochistan. https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/article/30831/believing-in-ones-own-propaganda-newspapers-of-dhaka-and-the-war-of-1971%3famp=1 |
IPIGSRSHALLOW:This was not a run of the mill terrorist. He was a terror boss of Osama Bin Laden level. He was hiding hundreds of kilometers inside a nation that threatens to use nuclear weapons if the terrorists is hiding are targeted. That nuclear protection provided to him by this nation called Pakistan is the reason he was alive even after so many henious acts. Yet India went ahead, penetrated Pakistan's Chinese origin air defences, and killed him, calling the Pakistani nuclear bluff. That is why this is significant. Otherwise Indian and Nigerian forces kill low level terrorists every single day. That's not that big a deal. |
osuofia2:Strawman argument. I never said that India is a developed country. Stop putting words in my mouth. First learn the difference between between income level and income inequality. Then re-read my comment. In India, many people are poor, but the GAP between rich and poor is not as large as the gap in Nigeria or USA. In USA, many people are rich, but the GAP between rich and poor is larger than that in India. India is a lower-middle income economy, about to graduate to higher-middle income economy by 2030. USA is a very high income economy. That's three levels above India's current economic bracket. Yet there is greater income disparity between rich and poor in USA than there is in India. Your comprehension skills are abysmal, kindly brush them up. |
geoworldedu:Resorting to expletives and inane comments about bloodlines because you have nothing more of substance to add to the conversation? I am done with you. |
geoworldedu:Read your own comment again. The first one. It starts with a blanket statement against all religions, everywhere. Had it not been a blanket statement, i wouldn't have gotten involved. Don't get into nonsense semantics now that I called you out on it. As if Nigerians don't visit India. That Nigerian man can easily visit India and see for himself what you claim that he personally will never ever see. geoworldedu:There are more than one. You dunce, click on the links in my first comment instead of relying on a silly AI overview. Only technically challenged people present AI summaries as gospel truth. Maybe you should teach yourself about Mechanistic Interpretability issues in LLMs before presenting an LLM output statement as some sort of proof or truism. |
geoworldedu:You made a statement that was a fallacy, now you shifting goalposts when I call you out on it. Yeah, there are more football stadiums than SDS in the world. Doesn't detract from my point. Who told you that the Sarva Dharma Sthal have almost no Christian or Muslim worshippers in them? Stop assuming stuff and making blanket statements, until a few hours ago, you didn't even know that Sarva Dharma Sthal exist. Now you're making claims about who visits them, as if you'd know. I am not disputing your assertion that football is a unifying force. I am disputing your assertion that religion is not a unifying force. The entire existence of India as a diverse yet thriving Union and civilization is a direct antithesis to your claims against religion not being a unifying force. Sorry to burst into your echo chamber. I know that your cognitive biases will now force you and you'll now scramble to produce examples from India about how communal tensions simmer there while conveniently ignoring the fact that India stands strongly unified today despite those simmering tensions. Despite the likes of Churchill claiming the exact thing you are 76 years ago: That a nation state with so many different religions can't survive much less thrive. Well guess what, we're still here, and stronger than ever before. And the single unifying factor in that all is Dharma (the eastern analogue concept of the western term "religion" ) . |
geoworldedu:Bruh, i live here in India. I am giving you a counter example from what I have, not only seen, but seen so much that its normal, mundane for me. Thats how many Sarva Dharma Sthal i have seen. You live in some other country where such things are not common, that's all well and good. But don't think that the entire world is like that. The world is a very big place. This is the reason I gave you this counter example |
geoworldedu:Introducing Sarva Dharma Sthal that are widespread in the Indian Army, i think all cantonments have one of these buildings. The Sarva Dharma Sthal is typically designed to be simple yet symbolically representative of various religions. It may include elements from different religious traditions, such as a Hindu idol, a Christian cross, an Islamic mihrab, a Sikh symbol, a Buddhist stupa, and more. The idea is to create an ambiance that welcomes individuals of different faiths and offers them a space resonating with their beliefs. Read More: https://www.ssbcrack.com/2023/07/what-is-sarva-dharma-sthal-in-indian-army.html [img]http://edtimes.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1-4.jpg[/img] |
AbuAeesha:Not quite true. It's a myth propagated by communists in India. Income inequality is measured by GINI coefficient, which for India and some other nations is:- South Africa. 63.0 USA. 41.3 China. 35.7 Nigeria. 35.1 Japan. 32.9 South Korea. 32.9 India. 32.8 Netherlands. 25.7 [HIGHER NUMBER MEANS MORE GAP BETWEEN RICH AND POOR] Source: World Bank Which means that India has a similar gap between rich and poor similar to nations like Japan and South Korea. And it's much lesser than Nigeria, China and USA. And much more than Netherlands. In addition, India is the ONLY NATION ON EARTH for whom this number (GINI Coeff.) has reduced parallel to economic growth. ALL other nations have only seen their income inequality rise with economic growth. Ofcourse people with an agenda, like the Communists in India, want to hide this fact and want people to rely on eyeball instead of hard statistics so that they can continue to propagate the myth that in India the divide between rich and poor is too much. |
advanceDNA:India is the world's fastest growing MAJOR economy. Key word "major". And India has had this distinction for years now. Yes there are small economies that are growing faster. But in the segment of major economies, India is the fastest growing. So maybe the graph was showing only major economies? Idk. |
seunny4lif: USSR did not help India in getting the nuke. Read a paper on the topic to aprise yourself: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-elephant-the-room-the-soviet-union-and-indias-nuclear-program-1967-1989 Until India tested its first nuke in 1974, USSR was not helping India in its military nuclear program because Soviets were worried about West Germany getting a nuke and hence were strict in maintaining Nuclear Non-Proliferation. India's journey to become the first nuclear power other than the UNSC P5 members is well documented and there is no Russian largesse there, instead there are Canadian and even American nuclear tech imports involved, namely nuclear reactors like the CIRUS that Canadians gave India for civilian research purposes but instead India used it to make the plutonium for its first atom bomb test (Smiling Buddha 1974). It was a big scandal and the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty was written in direct response to India's ability to get nukes using dual use civilian tech and no direct outside help. Russia's largest contribution till date has been in Indian Nuclear Submarine Propulsion technology, not nuclear bombs. Seriously, read up on stuff before inventing history all on your own. |
heniford2:I understand your main point, that is US aid is important, I won't deny it. But your claim that India did not step up during Covid 19 is a blatant lie. India entirely on it's own researched a covid vaccine called Covaxin and gifted 5 Million of these vaccine doses to 98 countries ahead of time to ensure they could vaccinate their healthcare workers thereby stopping the collapse of healthcare manpower, which would have led to the collapse of those countries' effort of fighting covid. This is the same vaccine that modi himself took. Furthermore, India donated 52 million doses of Covax covid 19 vaccine through the COVAX initiative. Nigeria alone got around 9 or 10 million doses from that for free. So kindly stop arguing that India did not step up. USA was hoarding vaccine supplies when India was donating its own. |
free2ryhme:one thing nobody is paying attention to, post covid, USA through Quad and other groupings was pushing this idea of building supply chains independent of Chinese inputs at any stage. How does Trump's policy affect these initiatives? The others like India and Japan aren't just going to give up because USA stepped back. Or maybe USA won't step back, running both in tandem. Remains to be seen. |
fxexperts:Most AIDS Antiretroviral medicines and most vaccines are produced in India, no? That's where they come from to Africa. How does Trump's decision affect that? It doesn't at all. |
jayce232:On India illegal immigrants are locked up in underground prison? A blatant lie. Indian prisons are not underground. And you need to read up on the amount if illegal immigrants from Myanmar and Bangladesh that have infiltrated India and the Indian politicians are just as inept are dealing with them as pre- Trump era American politicians were. |
None of you who are hyperventilating on this issue seem to know what an LLM is or how it works (not asking you to solve mechanistic interpretability, just asking you to understand a bit about its nature). Chat GPT could have just as easily given you a convincing answer to "how Tinubu is like Biden of Nigeria" or how "Tinubu is like Trump of Nigeria." The likelihood of one vs the other might differ by only a single percentage point. You clamp one output and the other output becomes selected. Watch the video I have linked below to understand how pointless this entire thread is. I am not even going to attempt to parse through the usual uninformed half truths and bold faced lies written in this thread by people about India. India is a land of contrasts and a land of both extremes being true at the same time. It is too big and too complex for people to wrap their heads around. Mostly because of confirmation bias, but that's a story for another day. WATCH THIS VIDEO TO UNDERSTAND WHY READING TOO MUCH INTO THIS STUPID CHAT GPT ANSWER FOR AN EQUALLY STUPID QUESTION IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGO_Ehywuxc?si=RpKP8gXqFd3pHnyf |
WriteerNg:You have no understanding of Russia- India ties. Nor of India's Grand Strategy. I am Indian, all my life I have lived in India. I know what our people and government have been doing for decades because I keep a keen eye on even the most minute and mundane details. As for Russia helping India get nukes, I have no idea how you foreigners think up such fantasies, but it's far from reality. Read a paper on the topic to aprise yourself: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-elephant-the-room-the-soviet-union-and-indias-nuclear-program-1967-1989 Until India tested its first nuke in 1974, USSR was not helping India in its military nuclear program because Soviets were worried about West Germany getting a nuke and hence were strict in maintaining Nuclear Non-Proliferation. India's journey to become the first nuclear power other than the UNSC P5 members is well documented and there is no Russian largesse there, instead there are Canadian and even American nuclear tech imports involved. Russia's largest contribution till date has been in Indian Nuclear Submarine Propulsion technology, not nuclear bombs. Seriously, read up on stuff before inventing history all on your own. |
WriteerNg:India has no reason to ally with China to take on US and NATO. Economically, yes they have a combined interest in defeating Western led economic order, but militarily not so. India is part of BRICS (economic grouping against West) and Quad (military grouping against China). Because economically, Western led economic order is a hard limit on Indian economic growth whereas militarily, China is India's primary threat (as officially stated by the Indian Armed Forces). |
MadamExcellency:Always makes me laugh when clueless people like you don't realise just how diverse India is. |
The one positive thing I see in all this is that Trump will be a good litmus test for BRICS and BRICS+. BRICS was always meant to be a forum to coordinate the plans of the developing world when it has to fight such battles and wars in the economic realm, not the military one. Exciting times. |
Indian government needs to add the condition that until and unless the USA based terrorists like David Headley and Gurpatwant Singh Pannun for which India has been sending extradition requests for decades, will not be repatriated, we will not take back these illegal immigrants that went into USA from India. If Trump is serious about draining the swamp, he'll stop this CIA nonsense that is shielding these terrorists and give up these terrorists to India. We are willing to respect USA laws and take back the illegals that broke USA laws to go there, but only if USA also respects Indian laws and legitimate security concerns. |
Ilamina:In that case, check this video out: 16 Indian philosophies explained like strategies in a game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKhFHcfe2KU?si=KYX1-1gVrysIBhLW |
helinues:FACT CHECK India did not spend "Billions" in going to moon, we spent $0.087 Billion. Earlier that same year India earned $0.120 Billion from launching 72 satellites for a British Satellite company named One Web (because our former colonisers do not have the capability to launch satellites on their own). India earned more launching British satellites that year than the amount India spent on that moon landing mission. Billions languishing in poverty in India? Step out of your echo chamber. India lifted 415 Million Indians out of poverty in 15 years. Source: UN report on Multi Dimensional Poverty 2022. India has almost eliminated Extreme Poverty, only 2.2% Indians in extreme poverty today. Source: World Bank Multiple ways in which India's moon mission helps India as a whole. That includes India's poorest people: 1.) Money spent on moon mission went into pockets of local Indian Medium and Small industries to whom work for the mission was subcontracted. These industries paid their blue collar employees. This prevented the blue collar employees from falling into poverty. These employees then sent money to their villages where they used it to improve the local village economy, uplifting them. Only bufoons think that the money India spent on the moon mission simply vanished in thin air. Money flows in an economy and creates value when it flows. At least learn the basics before trying to pass judgement on the actions of a nation that has proven its expertise in poverty reduction. 2.) The moon missions help India retain top engineering talent (otherwise they would have gone to USA). 3.) But MOST IMPORTANTLY the money spent was an investment into the future when humanity colonizes the solar system and mines the riches of the asteroid belt. Right after India landed on moon, India released initial funding for a 15 year long program of Indians creating a Manned Moon Colony in the 2040s. Because the Indian moon landing validated the technology we will need to make a moon colony. Only four nations on Earth are doing this: USA, China, Russia and now India. Others like Europeans are not developing an independent capability for it, meaning that they will be dependent on USA when the space mining economy finally kicks off. India, will not be dependent on anyone to mine the asteroids. Sound like fantasy? This is our vision for the future. And having a vision of the future is the hallmark of any leading nation of humanity. A nation that doesn't even have such a vision will never ever get there, nor reap its fruits. Decades from now, the grandchildren of those you call "poorest Indians who don't benefit from moon mission" will live a better life thanks to the riches of the asteroid belt that India will mine, manufacture products with and sell to Nigeria. PS: We did not go to the moon to "prove to other nations why they must join BRICS." Don't be ridiculous. BRICS is just a tool for India to create ways to benefit from reducing West's stature. Had the West not established an exclusionary hegemony, India would have had no need for BRICS. The moon mission, like I said, is India investing in future tech that will shape the world decades from now.
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but even if Africa combines into one USA-like entity, currently, entire Africa's Combined Defence Budget is half of India's Defence Budget. And India's Defence Budget, while the third largest in the world, is still just 1/10th of USA's defence budget or 1/3rd of China's defence budget. So making Africa into a US-like entity will make African military one of the top 10 powers in the world. But not strong enough to tackle the top most superpowers alone, especially with the kind of internal security challenges Africa faces. Once internal security challenges are dealt with, that will unlock the true potential of Africa. Ofcourse, realistically, I don't think Africa can unite. Why would a country like Egypt want to become one with a nation like DRC? Also, doing so will reduce the number of UN seats Africa has from 54 to just 1. Imagine that. So for various reasons, it is not as good as option as it seems at first glance. If a lack of geo-economic might is your concern, perhaps Africa should look at the European Union model and NATO, where an economic model and a mutual defence pact, helps create a stronger Africa without giving up UN seats and without having to deal with awkward cultural mixes that are not compatible enough to be part of a single nation. |
but the guy saw plenty. Lol. Maybe those other ones are branch offices of Sarva Dharma.