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izzou:People who say the crash occurred because India is a Third world country have ZERO clue what they are talking about. India ranks 48th in ICAO’s aviation safety oversight rankings ahead of: China (49) Isreal (50) Turkey (54) Norway (52) Only 2 fatal commercial crashes in 10 years before this despite India flying 8000 flights every day and 3 million flights every year. That’s a safety record on par with the U.S. and EU. India also holds FAA Category 1 status, meaning it meets the highest international safety standards. |
Theflint1:I never suggested that it wasn't a maintenance issue. In fact, it most likely was a maintenance issue given how both engines lost power on take off, directly causing the crash. But I argue against the kind of lazy thinking that this possible maintenance issue is somehow linked to the "Third world Indian work culture" especially given the fact that the maintenance of this plane had been outsourced to a TURKISH COMPANY. Maintenance issues happen even in developed nations. Only folks with a lazy brain come up with asinine assertions like "this is normal because its a third world country" |
JuanDeDios:India did nothing to stop Pakistan from getting nukes. The spineless politicians of India stopped even the great General K. Sundarji when he mobilized 800,000 men and 10,000+ armoured vehicles for a war that was meant to destroy Pakistan's nuclear program before they got the bomb. (Google him and Operation Brasstacks) This was Op Brasstacks, the largest military exercise since WW2, larger than even NATO exercises, and remember, this was the Cold War era. The entire Indian army was poised to cut Pakistan into three different countries and destroy Pakistani nuclear program. If only the Nehru-Gandhi political dynast who was Prime Minister at the time, had had the spine to just say yes. In short, India did nothing to stop Pakistan from making a nuclear bomb. |
Lawag3:Apples and oranges. Israel Air Force attacked Iran military targets from the get go. Meanwhile Indian politicians forced Indian Air Force to only attack terrorist targets and avoid Pakistani military targets on that initial day (Read the official written press releases regarding Op Sindoor, they laid clear emphasis on this fact). That was when the downing of the jets in India occurred. From that day on, the Indian politicians have given the go ahead to Indian Air Force for proper targeting of Pak Military and India responded by hitting 11 major airbases of Pak military and did not lose a single jet (even according to the Pakistanis this is the case. They only claimed to have shot down Indian jets on day one only, when IAF was hitting terror targets). |
Roland17:A Turkish company handles the maintenance of all Air India Boeing 787. So, even if investigation reveals maintenance issue to be the cause, it won't be because "India is a third world country" like you are suggesting. Your suggestion that India has a culture of shoddy aircraft maintenance due to India being a third world country is disproven by the fact that such air crashes aren't common in India despite India being the world's third largest aviation market AND it is also the world's fastest growing aviation market. |
RodgersAkpafu:Firstly, the Whites and Mexicans started this trend, not Indian-Americans. Legal Indian immigrants were called "less desirable than" illegal Mexican immigrants. So don't act all self righteous when Indian-Americans use the same language to retaliate. Now coming to India being a "failed third world country". I have only one word. Balderdash. There is a world of difference between a failed state and a developing nation that is the fastest growing major economy in the world that is on the cusp of breaking into high HDI category and upper middle income economy status within the decade. Now coming to is it okay if Nigerians are looked down upon. I for one have had nasty experiences with a few Nigerians in my country. As a result, for a long time I thought of your entire nation a nothing but a bunch of drug traders. But eventually I made an effort to read more about Nigeria, and I mean from sources other than social media (which seems to be the primary source of info for you). Then I came to Nairaland. And I'm learning each day. You lot have problems but you also hold promise, as a nation. Maybe one day, you'll be able to look past your personal experiences when you look at another nation. |
RodgersAkpafu:I usually don't like to engage with all this nonsense xyz race bad stuff, but your claim that Indian Americans somehow came out of nowhere and started denigrating the Mexican immigrants in USA for no reason is incorrect. You're missing vital context. This is merely retaliation for stuff like the following pic:
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Obiano13:By "Indian guy" do you mean the owner of Mediheal group of hospitals? If so, kindly frame your statement properly. He is not an "Indian guy" but rather a Kenyan citizen of Indian descent. Comparing him to Adani is silly. Adani is Indian. The doctor is Kenyan. |
rugged7:Why do you need to use stand-off missiles against the terrorists? Are these terrorists possibly equipped with MANPADs? Sorry, I'm new to this whole conflict so I don't know much about the terrorists in question, whose proxies they are, and what arms they have access to. BTW, is that an A-10 on the photos you posted? I had no idea that Nigerian Air force has A-10 ground attack aircraft. Cool. |
Fidha254:Looks like the Chinese want to vassalize Russia just how USA did UK. Hopefully India and the rest of BRICS nations can keep that from happening. We need to brave Western sanctions on Russia... |
HenryWilliams:India has just 8 tribes? Lmao. The Scheduled Tribes listed by the government of India alone amount to over 700+ different tribes, even though together, these tribes are just 8.6% of the Indian population. Source: Census of India 2011. And "tribes" are the smallest ethic group category in India. Most ethnic groups are far larger than a mere tribe. Remember, India is the world's oldest civilization. Many of us stopped being tribal between 5000 and 12000 years ago. India has over 2000 ethnic groups. Source: https://2009-2017.state.gov/outofdate/bgn/india/93310.htm Look, Nigeria is very different from India. What actually keeps India united will never work in Nigeria. So I do agree with your larger point that India is not a good example for you to try to replicate for national unity. But that doesn't mean that you severely underestimate India's diversity and fundamentally pluralistic character. |
kabe1:Was the MLU carried out within Nigeria? Also, are there any MRO facilities in Nigeria? Thanks in advance. |
Blakjewelry:Nigeria isn't the only place where food is cheap. Its affordable in India as well. Don't compare India to a developed dystopia like South Korea that didn't realize that this entire race was a marathon and ended up sprinting. They sacrificed their family unit and thus their fertility rate for a brief gain in productivity. Sacrificing their future for a brief shine in the present. India is not following that stupid trajectory. Buddy, you need to realize that India is one of the fastest moving targets out there. The fastest growing major economy on the planet with a high enough economic complexity index and a demographic dividend that means it can sustain this growth for decades. According to the UN HDI report 2025, India's HDI has grown twice as fast as Nigeria's in the 2010-2020 decade. India has twice the per capita GDP and almost ten times the per capita electricity consumption compared to Nigeria. India's exports have grown from $499 Billion in 2020 to $820 Billion in 2024 and are projected to touch $1 Trillion this year. India is a juggernaut now. Its going to be an upper middle income economy with a high HDI by 2030. That is expected to create a discretionary spending boom that will lead to massive growth in domestic demand of goods and services that will allow India to pull people out of poverty even faster than before. Extreme poverty is already almost history in India today, as I showed in the data I presented in my previous post. At current growth rate, poverty itself will be history in India by 2035. Modi has set a target of a fully developed India by 2047. And the path, at least till 2030, is set, the funding and investments in that future (infrastructure and industry) have already been made. Do you really think Nigeria can overtake India in how much each person consumes electricity? In infant morality rate or life expectancy? In poverty eradication? Just solving a food shortage won't give you all that. Read about how hard India worked to get where it is today. Where just 1% of the Indian population is in extreme poverty. And before you give me platitudes about "situation on the ground being different from my numbers" go and actually read what the UN Multidimensional Poverty Index measures. Its not some World Bank type of crap method where they say less than $2 a day means poverty. NO! The Multidimensional Poverty Index measures deprivations in everything from Nutrition to Clean Water and toilets to the type of house the poor live in, the number of years they attend school and even the type of fuel they use for cooking! Watch the image I have attached below. MPI measures the "situation on the ground" which you claim is "different". Its not different.
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JaceBlaze:I came across a confusing trend. South Africa has much lower poverty than India or Nigeria, from what I understand. I have also read how many Africans go to South Africa for medical treatment. So why is it that India has a higher life expectancy and a lower infant mortality rate than South Africa? I looked at the graph (image below) and it seems there was a momentary increase in IMR in South Africa. What is the reason for that?
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Blakjewelry:Nigeria population: 238 Million India people lifted out of multidimensional poverty 2004-2019: 415 Million India people in multidimensional poverty (remaining in 2019): 229 Million (16.4% of population) India people in extreme poverty 2025: 15 Million (1% of population) Nigeria people in extreme poverty 2025: 72 Million (31% of population) Sources: UN DP Multidimension Poverty Index 2022 (Image 1 below), https://worldpoverty.io/ (Image 2 below) Life expectancy:- India: 72 years Nigeria: 54 years Human Development Index:- India: 0.685 Nigeria: 0.560 Source: UN HDI report (see Image 3 below)
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JaceBlaze:I have no idea why most Pakistanis and some Nigerians love to look down on India when they are going through the exact same problems. The first step in solving a problem is recognizing that it exists. Maybe this is why India is making a steady, independently verified, progress in solving its issues. Meanwhile the other nations with similar problems love to look down on their peers rather than fix their own home. Maybe this is the reason why India today has almost twice the Per capita GDP compared to Pakistan or Nigeria. And the gap is only widening. BTW, where are you from? South Africa? https://punchng.com/open-defecation-nigeria-ranks-no-1-in-the-world-minister/
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olawaleatanda:Yes there isn't. There is malnutrition, but that is not due to a lack of food grains. Government of India provides free food grains to poorest Indians. And you have many Temples and Gurudwaras offering free, cooked food. The problem is that food grains alone will fill the stomach but won't give a person all the necessary minerals and vitamins. So even if there is no hunger, there is still nutrition deprivation. Indian Government is trying multiple approaches to solve this problem. Such as making fortification of flour mandatory . Percentage of Indians that have nutrition poverty:- 2005: 44.3% 2015: 22.1% 2019: 11.8% For Nigeria, this figure is not even measured, the column of nutrition poverty in this report is empty in Nigeria's entry. Forget trying to combat it, we don't even know the figures for Nigeria. Source: see photo below taken from UN report. https://hdr.undp.org/content/2024-global-multidimensional-poverty-index-mpi#/indicies/MPI Note, compare India to Ghana in this table below. Specifically, the last column about nutrition poverty.
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olawaleatanda:I'm talking about farmland bruh, specifically arable land. Canada doesn't have more farmland than India. Neither does Russia. They do have more barren land though. You need farmland to grow crops and that's what feeds and allowed a nation to have a large population. |
WritterNg:New development: Canada Prime Minister invites Modi for G7 summit. Modi accepts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z3WPWjiC-c?si=9fPRBqmp7mjICxEk |
hope4nigeria:India exports in Financial Year:- 2020: $500 Billion 2021: $677 Billon 2022: $778 Billon 2023: $777 Billion 2024: $825 Billion 2025: $1 Trillion (projected) Source for projection: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/indias-goods-services-exports-may-reach-usd-1-trn-this-fiscal-fieo/amp_articleshow/121434126.cms Meanwhile in other news, according to IMF, India just surpassed Japan to become world's fourth largest economy in nominal terms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-qs4EWVqE?si=sFr2XpR820DQybda |
Modern day Republic of India has the world's second largest arable farmland after USA. But traditionally, Undivided India a.k.a. Indian subcontinent also included modern day Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Taken together, the Indian subcontinent has the world's largest farmland (arable land), more than even USA or China. There is a good reason why India has always had the largest or the second largest population on Earth for the past 7000+ years. |
sulaak:Let us take the metric you mentioned: Per capita Electricity consumption 2022. India: 1081 kWh Nigeria: 138 kWh Kenya: 190 kWh Tanzania: 122 kWh Mozambique: 394 kWh Zimbabwe: 530 kWh Source: https://www.iea.org/world/electricity Result: India electricity consumption per capita is an order of magnitude more than the countries you mentioned. Just because Indians travel to or settle in xyz country does not mean said country is automatically better than India in every metric. Indians are everywhere. We don't shy away from opportunities. You called Indian GDP an illusion. Data does not lie. Illusions reside in the minds of men that fall prey to their confirmation biases instead of drawing objective conclusions from the data. |
ariesbull:Open the UN Development Programe's 2022 report on a multidimensional poverty index. If the deprivation is more than 50% , it is termed as extreme poverty. If it is less than 50%, it is termed as poverty. The 1% figure given by World Poverty Clock is of Extreme Poverty, not Poverty. Know the difference. The data does not lie. agentarcher:You have a bias and it shows. I presented hard data from reputable sources like UN, World Bank and World Poverty Clock. You counter with some random video of some random commie economist. And you counter with fake Chinese propaganda about Apple's India move, which is debunked by a simple Google search on how many iPhones have been produced in India yoy this past decade. All based on videos. You claim there are multiple videos. It is clear that you get your facts from youtube whereas I get them from actual reports by reputed institutions. Anybody with the bare minimum intellect knows which type of source is more trustworthy. I don't need to debate videos vs actual, verifiable UN and World Bank reports. You try to set up a strawman argument claiming that "India was bragging about being at par with China" when neither I personally not the Government of India officially, EVER claimed anything like this. It is amply clear to me that you are not interested in a serious discussion, you would rather push the agenda that feeds your confirmation bias. So I am not interested in engaging with you. |
Kemetian:Well done to Nigeria. But India plays on another level. Hypersonic scramjet engine is a technology that is not sold by any nation. It is a strategic technology. Here is India's Defence R & D Organization conducting a test of a subscale scramjet engine for a whopping 1000 seconds. https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2124415 A missile powered by this will cruise for 2000 km in these 1000 seconds.
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agentarcher:UN development program report on Multi Dimensional Poverty Index 2022, India lifted 415 Million people out of multidimensional poverty in last 15 years alone. Today, only 1% of Indians live in extreme poverty as per World Poverty Clock https://worldpoverty.io/ A significant number of you folks are woefully misinformed about India it seems. Maybe a product of confirmation bias.
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Kemetian:Outdated figures taken from second hand sources. Its not 61% in 2025, it was 32.73% in 2021. Its not 21% in 2025, it was 10.35% in 2021. Source World Bank: https://pip.worldbank.org/country-profiles/IND And guess what? The figures I wrote in my comment that you quoted are still fact. Facts don't care for people's feelings.
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Reflect7:Its not always that simple or straightforward. Our size is not the reason why we research and produce Nuclear Medicine or Nuclear fuel pellets or Fourth generation nuclear reactors or produce aerospace grade titanium alloy parts right from titanium ore to the final product, all done in India. Population helps, but that alone is insufficient. Just watch this presentation by the current chief of India's Defence R & D Organization to understand what I am talking about (watch from 30:00 onwards where he explains about the challenges faced by India even now when it is trying to expand its Titanium alloy production from raw material stage):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnufsO6Bma4?si=PT6vswbsd240KJlh |
Reflect7:Factually incorrect. India's GINI index has fallen in concert with its rising economy. Meaning income inequality has DECREASED with the increasing GDP. This alone is a sufficient proof that Indian growth has benefitted the Indian poor. But let us look at more hard data:- Figure ; 2014 ; 2025 Percentage of Indian households with tap water connection (including rural houses) ; 16% ; 80.7% Annual air conditioner sales ; 3 million ; 14 million Annual car sales ; 25 million ; 43 million Number of Indians with a bank account ; 35% (2011) ; 80% (2018) LPG connections (for cooking) ; 145 Million ; 328 Million Electricity consumption per capita ; 975 kWh ; 1400 kWh In the past 10 years, household toilets, paved roads and electricity reached every last village in India. The financial inclusion and microfinance revolution of the past 10 years in India is a world renown story, India made history with it. Try to read up. Overall, Indian economic growth has affected even poor and lower middle class people. Now coming to infrastructure: are you kidding me bruh? You have to live under a rock to say that infrastructure has not grown in India. In reality, India is currently on a massive multi Trillions of dollars spending spree in a massive infrastructure push that is along the largest and fastest infrastructure growths in human history. Numbers:- Qty; 2014 ; 2024 Airports ; 74 ; 158 Cargo handled at ports ; 555 Million Tons ; 855 Million Tons Average turn around time for ships to load/unload at Indian ports ; 94 hours; 48 hours National Highways length ; 91,000 km ; 145,000 km Rural roads; 381,000 km ; 755,000 km Cities with Metro trains (subway) ; 5 ; 21 cities Length of Metro train network ; 248 km ; 919 km Railways electrification (electric trains instead of diesel) ; 37% (22,000 km) ; 99% (66,000 km) Free pucca rural houses for the poor ; 0 ; 27 Million houses Heavily subsidized pucca houses for urban poor ; 840,000 ; 6 Million houses And these houses are only given to women or couples. The infrastructure build up in India is staggering. Number of seats for MBBS and PG degrees for doctors has more than doubled. I could go on and on. Point is, every facet of life of every Indian, from a lowly manual scavenger to an upper middle class man, has transformed and is transforming due to the current economic boom in India. Try to read up more before forming opinions. |
richeeyo:Indian Army is not stronger than British Army only by numbers. It is also stronger in terms of technology. Does British Army have an IADS comparable to Indian Army's Akashteer-IACCS, with advanced features like Cooperative Engagement Capability, with Air Defense systems comparable to Barak-8? No. Does British Army have any missile regiment comparable to the Indian Army's BrahMos or Pralay missile regiments? No. Does the British Army have any Division level ground based integrated Electronic Warfare system like Indian Army's Samyukta or Himshakti EW systems? No. Does the British Army have any towed Howitzer as technologically advanced as Indian Army's Indian designed ATAGS howitzer? British Artillery Regiments still don't have the K9 SPGs that India has already inducted (produced locally in India) British Army has an older version of the Apache attack helicopter while Indian Army flies the AH-64E variant. What about drone defences? Do they have anything comparable to India's D4 or the upgraded L70? Forget the Sudarshan CIWS and Bhargavastra of India. And this is just the Army. I could write reams about the Air Force and Navy too. There are only three things where the British have a clear advantage in terms of their technology: Nuclear Submarines (quiter than Indian ones), Stealth Fighters (Indian one still decade away from service) and the APFSDS ammo of their tanks (650mm RHAe penetration compared to >520 mm RHAe penetration at 2km distance). Then there are technologies that India has that British military simply does not have: Anti-Satellite missiles like India's PDV Mk2 that shot down a satellite in 2019, Two tier Ballistic Missile interception system like India's AAD and PDV missiles that are designed to shoot down Pakistani Nuclear missiles. Supersonic Cruise missiles like India's BrahMos, Hypersonic glide Missiles like India's LRAShM, etc. What about something comparable to India's Surya Radars and Multistatic radars that can penetrate stealth technology (because they are VHF band)? Royal Air Force had Jaguar fighter jets, which they replaced by the Tornado fighter jet and then replaced them with the Eurofighter Typhoons. India meanwhile still has the Jaguars in service. Now the funny thing is, the Indian Jaguars got their AESA radars upgrade before the RAF Typhoons. So, India is no pushover when it comes to military tech. Even the old stuff we have is highly upgraded. The tanks we use, though old T-72 and T-90, have Thermal and Night Vision Fusion technology in them, installed in a recent upgrade. Ask the Brits if their tanks have that. The answer is no. Finally, a brief mention of numbers. British Army can field one or two Divisions worth of combat formations in a war within the first week. Indian Army can field 45 Divisions on day 1 of the war. No tech gap can overcome these odds, and like I just established, there isn't much of a tech gap between India and UK. Go to the British Forces News youtuve channel. I used to comment there about these India vs British stuff in great detail there. Look for the videos on Destroyers, I remember writing a deep piece on that in the comments section there. Indian destroyers are much more capable. |
OkanlawonB:You are confused. Caste and race have nothing to do with one another. Casteism is different from Racism is different from Communalism. Racism in India In India, we are all mostly of the same Race. There is some racial discrimination against the Chinese-looking people from North East Indian states or Ladakh. But not much. Casteism is sporadic. Communalism is rampant only when there is an Abrahmic faith in the equation. Casteism and Communalism are much bigger issues in Indian discourse than Racism. Don't take my word for it, read the Indian newspaper opeds and editorials. EDIT: I forgot Reigionalism. That is also a big headache in the Southern states. But from what little I've read about Nigeria, even you guys have issues with Reigonalism, right? So maybe you can understand what causes it. |
OkanlawonB:Caste system has been mostly replaced by the "Reservation system" in India. So how relevant is Caste? Highly relevant. So called "Upper caste Indians" are legally discriminated against by the Indian law when it comes to entrance in universities or in government jobs. If the Reservation system was American, it would lead to a situation where a White student scoring 90% in the entrance exam is denied a seat in MIT whereas a black student gets in with just 50% score and gets a 50% discount on the tuition fees, abs this is done legally, by law. And same for jobs in the FBI and Police and bureaucracy jobs. The lowest castes have massive legal protections under the draconian SC ST act. This they can use to cause what some term as "legal terrorism" in India, where you misuse laws meant for your protection to send innocent people to jail just because you got into a little bit of a fight with an upper caste dude. 10% of the cases are usually found to be false cases against innocents. https://thelawbrigade.com/constitutional-law/the-draconian-legislation-of-sc-st-prevention-of-atrocities-act-1989/#DRACONIAN_LEGISLATION Apart from that, inter-Caste marriages are still frowned upon but the traditional Caste system is otherwise completely destroyed. Then there is Caste based vote bank politics. This is waning, Modi is given some credit for this, shifting election discourse away from useless Caste vote banks politics and towards economic development based issues. Modi's budding successor Yogi Adityanath, who currently runs India's largest state, is also following in his footsteps of stopping Caste based politics. But even Modi uses lower caste appeasement when he runs out of options. So its not all hunky dory. Caste is such a darling creation of the Western world because it is the best tool they have to divide India and Indians. The Brits created this myth of a Caste system by merging two disparate systems: The Varna system of Hinduism and the Jati system that is non Hindu in nature. Then the Brits used it to slander Hindus and divide and rule over India. It was (still is) their biggest weapon against India. Watch them, they never talk about the open secret that is the Caste system in Pakistan. Why? Because that breaks the Western myth that the Caste system is a Hindu system. |
and prolly had yourself "shredded" by those rabid ppl.