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One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity relates that Jesus died and allowed for the shedding of his blood for the sake of granting forgiveness to people. In other words Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins.
Let us investigate this topic from the Bible, and find out whether Jesus was sent to be crucified and whether he was crucified at all.




(1)Willingness of Jesus Christ to die for our sins


Peter and the two sons of Zebedee were with Jesus Christ before the elders of the people and the chief priests came to take him to be crucified. Jesus at this point talked to Peter and the two sons of Zebedee as in Matthew 26:38 "Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me." Then Jesus went a little further away from them and prayed to God as in Matthew 26:39 "And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

It is very clear from the above verse in Matthew 26:39 that Jesus had no intention of dying.

In this verse it is shown that Jesus was praying strongly
(Matthew mentions Jesus repeating this prayer three times) to have this death removed from him. Had Jesus Christ been sent to be crucified, he would not have hesitated to be killed at all.
When I raise this point in front of my Christian brothers, they tell me that this hesitation came from the flesh side of him (in other words he was tempted), and that his soul which is godly did not have this hesitation at all.

When we look at Matthew 26:38 we see that Jesus was contradicting this idea by saying, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." (Matthew 26:38). He himself said that it’s really his soul that was hesitating and not his body. These were Jesus’ own words.

God answered the prayers of Jesus Christ
After Jesus made the above mentioned prayer he was answered by God according to Hebrews 5:7 "Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong
crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared."
These words clearly show when Jesus was praying strongly to God, God granted him his request.

The words "heard in that he feared" (Hebrews 5:7) mean that God granted him what he requested. So the above verse shows when Jesus asked of God to "let this cup pass from" (Matthew 26:39) him, God responded to his prayer and saved him from death or crucifixion.




(2) The post crucifixion prophesied events never happened


When people were asking Jesus Christ if he was going to show them a sign, he replied by saying that the only sign they should expect is the sign of Jonas. Jesus also made sure to specify what exactly this sign was. The details are shown in
the following verses:

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus here emphasized what will happen to him by specifically saying that he will be like Jonas in terms of the number of days and nights he will be in the heart of the earth, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40).

(3) Now let us see if this prophecy came to pass.


Jesus was allegedly crucified on Friday, this is certainly known among all Christians, and it’s the reason for calling that Friday by "Good Friday." Jesus was allegedly buried on Friday night. Now let us start counting:
1. Friday night Jesus was buried. This is night #1.
2. Saturday day Jesus was buried. This is night #1.
2. Saturday day Jesus was still supposed to be in the grave. This is day #1.
3. Saturday night Jesus was still supposed to be in the grave. This is night #2.
Mary Magdalene, very early in the morning before sun rise and after the Sabbath (Saturday), went to see Jesus, and found that he was not there.


(4) The following verses describe this event:


Mark 16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mark 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mark 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mark 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.


The number of days and nights Jesus spent in the heart of the earth is 1 day and 2 nights. This challenges what Jesus had prophesied.
When I tell this to my Christian brothers, some of them responded by saying that what Jesus wanted to really say was that he will be gone for a while, and not that he will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. This is clearly not the case.

Had Jesus meant that, he would have said it, but it is clear that he wanted people to know this was a sign (miracle) and it will be like Jonas’ sign, and he will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.
These were his own words.

(5) Another argument is that the Jews used a different system for the day and night which makes the prophecy come true.

The idea says that Jews used to consider a day shorter than we consider it now. If you would ask a Jewish person about their calendar you would find that this is not the case, and a day does not become shorter at all.

The difference between a Jewish day and a regular day is the time when the day starts and ends. Jewish people considered the day over when the sun went down, whereas now we consider midnight to be the end of a day. There is no difference in the length of the day, and accepting the Jewish day would only make things worse as far as the prophecy goes.


(6) Why would Jesus have to die on the cross?


According to the Christian doctrine, Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. Every human is born with sins, or all humans will eventually sin, and therefore it was necessary that someone as pure as Jesus would be crucified to nullify these sins.

The question is; why does anyone have to die for our sins when God, the all merciful, could as easily grant us forgiveness if we asked for it?

Why does He have to make someone suffer for our sins or for someone else’s sins? Isn’t that unjust of Him?

According to the Bible the way to redemption could be obtained without the need for sacrifice.


The Bible says: Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Clearly the soul that sins shall die. Clearly, no one shall bear the iniquity (sins) of others. So Jesus cannot bear the sins of others either. If one is righteous then it shall be upon him, and if one commits a sin then it shall be upon him, and not on Jesus.

Finally, the way to repentance and forgiveness is by turning from all sins, doing what is right, and keeping the commandments.

Also we see the same message given by
Solomon.

He says in the book of Ecclesiastic 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." This is the whole message, and this is the conclusion of messages. It is that one should fear God, keep His commandments, and nothing else.


Again in II Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." This clearly states that to seek forgiveness from God we have to humble ourselves, pray, seek God, and turn away from wickedness.

Finally the Bible says in I Samuel 15:22 "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."

This clearly states that obeying God is better than sacrifice whether this sacrifice is of objects, animals, or humans, or any other type.

What God likes is for us to heed and obey Him, and if that is what God likes then it is not of Him to come later and change His mind and His ways. God says in the Holy Quran, "Verily God is All Knowing, All-Wise" (Ch 9: Vr 28).

Now that we have seen this, Christians say that Jesus has changed some of these laws. Did Jesus come to change laws or destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Jesus clearly states that he was not sent to abolish the law, the law of which had already existed. What is mentioned above cannot be discounted.

Jesus continues to say, in Matthew 5:18 and 19 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus here asserts that not even as much as a tittle (dot) shall pass from the law.

Every thing is kept the way it was. This is why the previous laws cannot be removed or discarded, and those who willfully change these laws "he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

crestedaguiyi:
pls check them for IEDs.

if this sisters dont want anybody to see their body they should better remain indoors.

Pervert....

Scholar8200:
The History of the Barnabas Gospel


Muslims fondly suppose that this Gospel has been denounced in the Christian world solely because of its Islamic character. It is truer to say that this is the only real reason why it has attracted so much publicity in the Muslim world. The external and internal evidences around the book give a far better reason for rejecting it. They prove conclusively that it was compiled only a few centuries ago as a deliberate forgery to impose both Qur’anic and traditional Muslim dogmas on the life of Jesus as it is described in the four genuine Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Unlike these books which are between twenty and forty pages each, the Gospel of Barnabas is 273 pages long.

Much of its teaching is repetitive of Biblical teaching, though adapted to suit Islamic preferences. For example, when ten lepers were healed on one occasion by Jesus, the only one to return was a Samaritan who fell at his feet, giving him thanks (Luke 17.16). The Gospel of Barnabas conveniently states that he was an Ishmaelite! The rest of its teaching, however, consists of legendary and fanciful stories and forged teachings of Jesus of no historical value at all. Let us consider a few of its typical Islamic teachings.

Islamic Teachings of the Barnabas Gospel

1. Jesus Denied that he was the Son of God

The Gospel of Barnabas repeats the incident where Jesus asked his disciples, firstly, who the multitudes thought he was and, secondly, who they thought he was (Matthew 16.13-20). When Peter answered that he was the Son of God, Jesus responded that he was blessed because his Father in heaven had revealed this to him. In the Gospel of Barnabas, however, while Peter is correctly recorded as declaring that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, the answer of Jesus to him was totally different.

Jesus is supposed to have declared to Peter "Begone and depart from me, because thou art the devil and seekest to cause me offence!" He then is reputed to have told all his disciples to beware because "I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this" {And just how many people did he bless with a curse? And why did the Jews attempt to stone Him a Number of times onthis basis?} (Gospel of Barnabas, para 70).




2. Judas was Crucified in Place of Jesus

The Muslim doctrine that Jesus was taken alive from the earth just before he was due to be arrested while someone else was made to look like him and was crucified in his place is repeated in this Gospel, only it specifically makes the victim Judas Iscariot. It was only some centuries after Muhammad that the Muslim world first taught this theory, [size=14pt]invented[/size] to justify the crucifixion of a bystander who might otherwise have seemed to be an innocent substitute.
{AGAIN WE ASK FOR WHAT OFFENCE WAS HE TO BE KILLED?}


The Gospel of Barnabas teaches that when Judas arrived with soldiers to arrest Jesus, God sent four angels to take Jesus out of the world into the third heaven while Judas "was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus" that Barnabas and the other disciples believed him to actually be Jesus (Gospel of Barnabas, para 216). Judas was duly crucified in his place.
{LET'S ASK, WHO WENT TO HANG HIMSELF THEN? WHO WENT TO RETURN THE 30 PIECES OF SILVER?}




3. Jesus Predicted the Coming of Muhammad by Name

In many places Jesus is said to have declared the coming of Muhammad by name, as in this statement made after he said he would first have to endure the infamy that he had been crucified: "But when Mohammed shall come, the sacred messenger of God, that infamy shall be taken away" (Gospel of Barnabas, para 112).
{JESUS ALWAYS STATED FUTURE EVENTS ACCORDING TO OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECIES AND PROMISES;WHICH ONE BACKS THIS?}
{BESIDES, WHAT WAS TO BE ACHIEVED BY HIS NOT DYING, WAS HE NOT A MERE PROPHET?}

These are some of the central Islamic features of the Gospel of Barnabas where its teaching contradicts the contents of the four Biblical Gospels. Numerous other Islamic influences can be found throughout the book, such as the claim that the covenantal promise to Abraham was made in Ishmael and not Isaac (para 191)
{WHY THEN WAS THE PROMISE NEITHER REITERATED NOR CLAIMED BY THE ISHMAELITES? WHY THEN DID THE PROPHECY OF A PROPHET LIKE UNTO MOSES COME TO ISRAEL AND NOT THE ISHMAELITES? WHY THEN WAS GOD'S PROMISE OF THE LAND AND VICTORY OVER ENEMIES AND DELIVERANCE FROM EGYPT FULFILLED ON ISAAC'S DESCENDANTS?}


Medieval Sources of the Gospel of Barnabas

[size=13pt]It is not hard to prove to Muslims that this Gospel was first compiled many centuries after the times of both Jesus and Muhammad.[/size] Three of examples of medieval influences will be considered here.

1. The Centenary Year of Jubilee

One of the laws Moses gave to the people of Israel was that a jubilee year was to observed twice every century when slaves would be liberated and debts cancelled. God ordained it in these words:

A jubilee year shall that fiftieth year be to you. Leviticus 25.11

About 1300 AD Pope Boniface the Eighth decreed that the jubilee year should be reintroduced but that it should only be held at the turn of each century, that is, once every hundred years. After his death, however, Pope Clemens the Sixth decreed that the jubilee year should revert to every fifty years following the Biblical decree and there was talk thereafter of reducing it further. In the Gospel of Barnabas this saying is attributed to Jesus:

And then through all the world will God be worshipped, and mercy received, insomuch that the year of jubilee, which now cometh every hundred years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place. Gospel of Barnabas, para 82
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The anachronism is obvious - [b]the author of the Gospel of Barnabas could only have spoken of the jubilee year coming every hundred years if he knew of the decree of Pope Boniface. Whoever wrote this Gospel makes Jesus repeat a proclamation which was only made at least thirteen centuries after his time! This proves that the Gospel is a forgery of not earlier than the 14th century AD.






2. Quotations from Dante’s Inferno

Dante was an Italian who lived at about the same time as Pope Boniface. He wrote a well-known classic titled Divina Comedia - the "Divine Comedy". It was a fantasy about hell, purgatory and heaven according to the beliefs of his time. Many passages in the Gospel of Barnabas show a dependence on his work, one of which is a saying attributed to Jesus of the prophets of old:

Readily and with gladness they went to their death, so as not to offend against the law of God given by Moses his servant, and go and serve false and lying gods. Gospel of Barnabas, para 23

The expression dei falsi e lugiardi (false and lying gods) is found elsewhere in the Gospel of Barnabas. Jesus is recorded as again using this phrase (para 78) while Herod is also said by the author to have "adored the false and lying gods" (para 217). The cliche is found in neither the Bible nor the Qur’an but is a direct quote from Dante! (Inferno 1.72).

In its actual descriptions of heaven and hell the Gospel of Barnabas follows Dante exactly while contradicting the Qur’an. [/b]Jesus is said to have declared to Simon Peter:

Know ye therefore that hell is one, yet hath seven centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell hath Satan generated it: so there are seven punishments therein. Gospel of Barnabas, para 135

Dante gives precisely this description in the fifth and sixth cantos of his Inferno. [b]Speaking of the heavens the Gospel of Barnabas states that they are nine and that Paradise itself is greater than all of them together (para 178). This again parallels Dante who also speaks of nine heavens with an Empyrean, a tenth heaven above them all. These depictions of heaven, however, directly contradict the Qur’an which teaches that after Allah had created the earth, he fashioned paradise as seven heavens (Surah 2.29).






3. The Medieval Environment of the Gospel

Other passages from the Gospel show that the author was more at home in the climate and seasons of southern Europe than in the land of Palestine. He makes Jesus speak of how beautiful the world is in summer-time when the harvest and fruit abound (para 169). This is a fair description of Italy in summer but not of Palestine where the rain falls in winter and the fields are parched in summer.

Likewise the Gospel of Barnabas speaks of storing wine in wooden wine-casks (para 152), a common practice in medieval Europe but not in first-century Palestine where wine was stored in skins (Matthew 9.17). Further proof of the author’s ignorance of the geography of Palestine is found in this statement:

Having arrived at the city of Nazareth the seamen spread through the city all that Jesus had wrought. Gospel of Barnabas, para 20

In this passage Nazareth is represented as a harbour on the Lake of Galilee. After this Jesus is said to have gone "up to Capernaum". Every disciple of Jesus would have known that Capernaum was the city on the shores of the lake while Nazareth is up in the hills. Jesus would have gone up from Capernaum to Nazareth, not the other way around as the Gospel of Barnabas has it.

These evidences all prove that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery compiled in southern Europe sometime around the 16th century after Christ. Let us proceed to examine other evidences that discount the authenticity of this book that calls itself a Gospel.

Other Evidences Against its Authenticity

Muslim: The Gospel of Barnabas must be the true Gospel since it teaches that Jesus was not to be the final messenger of God to mankind but that this honour would be reserved to our holy Prophet Muhammad who he said would follow after him.

There are numerous other evidences against the authenticity of the Gospel of Barnabas, some of which derive from the very passages where Jesus is said to have foretold the coming of Muhammad. It is very interesting to note that this Gospel makes no mention of John the Baptist - a striking omission, considering the attention given to him as a contemporary prophet to Jesus in the Biblical Gospels. Instead sayings of John are attributed to Jesus, such as "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord’" (John 1.23) which is ascribed to Jesus in the Gospel of Barnabas together with the whole conversation that surrounds it (para 42). The author of this Gospel conveniently, but very erroneously, makes Jesus say of Muhammad what John actually said of him.

The Messiah - Jesus or Muhammad?

John the Baptist denied that he was the Messiah when challenged by the Jewish leaders (John 1.20). The Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus deny the same thing in much the same words:

Jesus confessed and said the truth: ‘I am not the Messiah ... I am indeed sent to the house of Israel as a prophet of salvation; but after me shall come the Messiah’. Gospel of Barnabas, paras 42, 82

Who was to be the coming Messiah, then? Elsewhere the Gospel makes Jesus say "The name of the Messiah is Admirable ... God said: Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise ... Mohammed is his blessed name" (para 97). [size=14pt]Here the author of the Gospel of Barnabas completely overreaches himself for the Qur’an clearly states, no less than eleven times, that Jesus alone is the Messiah. The Bible confirms this too on many occasions (John 4.26, Matthew 16.20) and one quotation from the Qur’an will be sufficient to prove the point:

O Mary! Lo! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the hereafter. Surah 3.45[/size]

The title here is Al-Masih, "the Messiah", and Jesus himself is called Al-Masihu Isa, "the Messiah Jesus", elsewhere in the book (Surah 4.171). [size=14pt]So the Gospel of Barnabas incontrovertibly contradicts the Qur’an when it declares that Muhammad was to be the Messiah. No Muslim can be true to his own holy book while at the same time trying to defend the Gospel of Barnabas as an authentic Gospel. [/size]

What is very interesting here is the discovery that this Gospel not only contradicts the Qur’an but also itself. In the prologue to the book it speaks of "Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ" and states that it is the [size=14pt]"true Gospel of Jesus, called Christ". The author does not seem to have been aware that Messiah and Christ are interchangeable terms, meaning the same thing[/size]. The latter derives from the Greek word Christos which is a translation of the original Hebrew word Mashiah.

Contradictions between the Barnabas Gospel and the Qur’an

There are other [size=13pt]contradictions between the Qur’an and the Gospel of Barnabas which cannot be satisfactorily explained. One relates to the birth of Jesus as it is told in each book. The Gospel says this about the moment of his delivery:

The virgin was surrounded by a light exceeding bright and brought forth her son without pain. Gospel of Barnabas, para 3

This statement has no Biblical equivalent but parallels Catholic beliefs of the Middle Ages.[/size] It is further evidence that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery composed up to fifteen centuries after the time of Christ. [size=14pt]What is significant for Muslims, however, is that it totally disagrees with the Qur’an which says of Mary and the birth of Jesus:

And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. Surah 19.23
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There is little room here for Muslims to maintain their cherished belief that they have, in the Gospel of Barnabas, an original Gospel which is consistent with the Qur’an and Islamic tradition. It is not surprising that many Muslim scholars have, in recent times, rejected the Gospel as a forgery. Nonetheless there are still many Muslim writers, often well aware of the overwhelming evidences against it, who still promote it as an authentic text.

And on the third issue of Muhammad name in Bible and he's predictions...




It's all in Bible.. I don't have time to be explaining what is glaring...



Google it yourself.. You gonna see all the proof..






After refuting the first 2 fake and dumb non researched claims on gospel of Barnabas.. Av lost interest in refuting the others because it's full of unresearched claims..

Scholar8200:
Another typical contradiction between the two books is found in the statement in the Gospel of Barnabas about the angels of God on the last days before the great Judgment: "The fifteenth day the holy angels shall die, and God alone shall remain alive" (para 53). The Qur’an knows nothing about the death of angels but states that eight of them shall bear the throne of Allah on the Last Day (Surah 69.17).

Again the Gospel of Barnabas states that on the thirteenth day of the final period before the end, all mankind will die and every living thing on the earth shall perish (para 53) whereas the Qur’an states that men will be alive until the last day, the great Day of Judgment, when the trumpet shall sound and "every man will have enough concerns on that day to make him heedless of others" (Surah 80.37).


In witness with Muslims it should be easy to get the Gospel of Barnabas dispensed with once these evidences are produced to them. The book is a counterfeit of no value which has been promoted by Muslims as a red herring across the path of genuine Christian-Muslim apologetics.

Throughout the book its author is said to have been one of the twelve disciples of Jesus yet it is well known that the real Barnabas only appears on the scene after the death and resurrection of Jesus and, furthermore, that he only received his name as a result of an incident that took place much later. The evidence is found in the following passage:

[b]Thus Joseph who was [size=14pt]surnamed by the apostles Barnabas[[/size]/b] (which means, Son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field which belonged to him, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet. Acts 4.36-37

It was only when this man Joseph encouraged the early Church by donating the proceeds of the sale of his property to the disciples of Jesus that he was given the surname bar-nabas. Thereafter he is a prominent personality in the record of the initial development of the Church and is mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament (Galatians 2.9). He was most certainly not one of the original twelve, however, whose names are all recorded in two of the Gospels (Matthew 10.2-4, Luke 6.14-16). He is not mentioned at all in the four Gospels and the composer of this forgery has, as it were, left his fingerprints on its text by including what is a glaring anachronism. Jesus is said to have called him by name on numerous occasions of which the following passage is an example:

Jesus answered: ‘Be not sore grieved, Barnabas, for those whom God hath chosen before the creation of the world shall not perish’. Gospel of Barnabas, para 19

Such an address before Jesus ascended to heaven was impossible if he only received the title some time after the event.
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The Probable Authorship of the Barnabas Gospel

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Whoever the author was it is clear that he was very conversant with the land of Spain and its environment. He could well have been a Spanish Muslim forcibly converted to Christianity around the time of the Spanish Inquisition who took private revenge by compiling an Islamic Gospel. He might well have written it first in Italian to give it a more authentic appearance before translating it into his own language. There is clear evidence of Spanish influence in this quote attributed to Jesus:

For he would get in change a piece of gold must have sixty mites. Gospel of Barnabas, para 54

The Italian version divides the golden denarius into sixty minuti. These coins were of Spanish origin dating from the pre-Islamic Visigothic period and betray a Spanish influence behind the Gospel.
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His fate at the hand of Peretti once he became Pope may have led him to compose this Gospel as an act of private revenge against him, especially if he had subsequently converted to Islam. [b]What we do know is that it most certainly could not have been written by the Apostle Barnabas who was at no time one of the immediate disciples of Jesus. If the Gospel of Barnabas serves any purpose it is perhaps to prove that it is impossible to compose a life of Jesus consistent with the factual evidences of his life and teachings as found in the four true Gospels which at the same time promotes him as a prophet of Islam. The book fails dismally in its attempt to do precisely [/b]this.

In conversation with Muslims it is important to dispose of this Gospel as soon as possible. It offers no useful contribution to the field of Christian-Muslim apologetics.

Paul and Barnabas in the Book of Acts

Muslim: In his Gospel Barnabas expressly repudiates the teaching of Paul that Jesus is the Son of God. In fact even the New Testament records that Paul and Barnabas couldn’t agree. It was because Barnabas taught the ultimate truth about Jesus.

Barnabas and Paul: Two Close Companions

Anyone reading through Acts 15 will discover that the only point of disagreement between these two men was on whether they should again be accompanied by John Mark on a later journey. Paul did not want him to go with as he had let them down on their first missionary journey (Acts 13.13).
3. Both Barnabas and Paul Rejected Circumcision

According to the Gospel of Barnabas Jesus is recorded as teaching that circumcision is one of the most important acts of religious piety. Both Judaism and Islam to this day faithfully observe the ordinance. Jesus is supposed to have said:

Leave fear to him that hath not circumcised his foreskin, for he is deprived of paradise. Gospel of Barnabas, para 23

It is most ironic to find that the real Barnabas joined Paul in vehemently opposing circumcision as a necessary ritual for salvation: (Acts 15:1-4)



It does appear that no one was closer to Paul in his preaching of the Christian faith than this man Barnabas. He cannot possibly be the author of the Gospel falsely attributed to him.

The Gospel of Barnabas is a book of no true historical value. Muslims should be gently persuaded to put it aside and instead take time to read the four genuine Gospels where the real truth about Jesus has been written.
http://www.arabicbible.com/

Let me add, Barnabas still continued in the faith and was still a friend to Paul:
Commenting on Colossians 4:10 as written by Paul
Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him




and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas; the same with John Mark, whose mother's name was Mary, said here to be sister to Barnabas, Acts 12:12 concerning whom there was a difference between Paul and Barnabas, Acts 15:37, and is the same Mark that wrote the Gospel, and was converted by the Apostle Peter, 1 Peter 5:13 and who is said to have received his Gospel from him; he is also mentioned 2 Timothy 4:11 . The Arabic version calls him here, the "brother's son of Barnabas": and the Syriac version, , "his uncle's son": however, Barnabas being so great a man as he was, and so well known, it added some credit to Mark, that he was a relation of his:




I wonder how Mark, a protege of Barnabas, will write something totally different from the 'gospel' falsely attributed to 'Barnabas' then!!!

And on the number 2 issue.. Crucifix.. It's even in the Bible that he's not crucified .
Over 20 places in the Bible..


There's even contradiction in the supposed Jesus last words in Bible. This mean the event doesn't happen in their presence, they only wrote what they hear.. Mere heresy..


Ponder on this picture... Since he's not crucified, and people saw Jesus crucified.. If you Read gospel of Barnabas.. It's explanation is crystal clear...

Scholar8200:
The History of the Barnabas Gospel


Muslims fondly suppose that this Gospel has been denounced in the Christian world solely because of its Islamic character. It is truer to say that this is the only real reason why it has attracted so much publicity in the Muslim world. The external and internal evidences around the book give a far better reason for rejecting it. They prove conclusively that it was compiled only a few centuries ago as a deliberate forgery to impose both Qur’anic and traditional Muslim dogmas on the life of Jesus as it is described in the four genuine Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Unlike these books which are between twenty and forty pages each, the Gospel of Barnabas is 273 pages long.

Much of its teaching is repetitive of Biblical teaching, though adapted to suit Islamic preferences. For example, when ten lepers were healed on one occasion by Jesus, the only one to return was a Samaritan who fell at his feet, giving him thanks (Luke 17.16). The Gospel of Barnabas conveniently states that he was an Ishmaelite! The rest of its teaching, however, consists of legendary and fanciful stories and forged teachings of Jesus of no historical value at all. Let us consider a few of its typical Islamic teachings.

Islamic Teachings of the Barnabas Gospel

1. Jesus Denied that he was the Son of God

The Gospel of Barnabas repeats the incident where Jesus asked his disciples, firstly, who the multitudes thought he was and, secondly, who they thought he was (Matthew 16.13-20). When Peter answered that he was the Son of God, Jesus responded that he was blessed because his Father in heaven had revealed this to him. In the Gospel of Barnabas, however, while Peter is correctly recorded as declaring that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, the answer of Jesus to him was totally different.

Jesus is supposed to have declared to Peter "Begone and depart from me, because thou art the devil and seekest to cause me offence!" He then is reputed to have told all his disciples to beware because "I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this" {And just how many people did he bless with a curse? And why did the Jews attempt to stone Him a Number of times onthis basis?} (Gospel of Barnabas, para 70).




2. Judas was Crucified in Place of Jesus

The Muslim doctrine that Jesus was taken alive from the earth just before he was due to be arrested while someone else was made to look like him and was crucified in his place is repeated in this Gospel, only it specifically makes the victim Judas Iscariot. It was only some centuries after Muhammad that the Muslim world first taught this theory, [size=14pt]invented[/size] to justify the crucifixion of a bystander who might otherwise have seemed to be an innocent substitute.
{AGAIN WE ASK FOR WHAT OFFENCE WAS HE TO BE KILLED?}


The Gospel of Barnabas teaches that when Judas arrived with soldiers to arrest Jesus, God sent four angels to take Jesus out of the world into the third heaven while Judas "was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus" that Barnabas and the other disciples believed him to actually be Jesus (Gospel of Barnabas, para 216). Judas was duly crucified in his place.
{LET'S ASK, WHO WENT TO HANG HIMSELF THEN? WHO WENT TO RETURN THE 30 PIECES OF SILVER?}




3. Jesus Predicted the Coming of Muhammad by Name

In many places Jesus is said to have declared the coming of Muhammad by name, as in this statement made after he said he would first have to endure the infamy that he had been crucified: "But when Mohammed shall come, the sacred messenger of God, that infamy shall be taken away" (Gospel of Barnabas, para 112).
{JESUS ALWAYS STATED FUTURE EVENTS ACCORDING TO OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECIES AND PROMISES;WHICH ONE BACKS THIS?}
{BESIDES, WHAT WAS TO BE ACHIEVED BY HIS NOT DYING, WAS HE NOT A MERE PROPHET?}

These are some of the central Islamic features of the Gospel of Barnabas where its teaching contradicts the contents of the four Biblical Gospels. Numerous other Islamic influences can be found throughout the book, such as the claim that the covenantal promise to Abraham was made in Ishmael and not Isaac (para 191)
{WHY THEN WAS THE PROMISE NEITHER REITERATED NOR CLAIMED BY THE ISHMAELITES? WHY THEN DID THE PROPHECY OF A PROPHET LIKE UNTO MOSES COME TO ISRAEL AND NOT THE ISHMAELITES? WHY THEN WAS GOD'S PROMISE OF THE LAND AND VICTORY OVER ENEMIES AND DELIVERANCE FROM EGYPT FULFILLED ON ISAAC'S DESCENDANTS?}


Medieval Sources of the Gospel of Barnabas

[size=13pt]It is not hard to prove to Muslims that this Gospel was first compiled many centuries after the times of both Jesus and Muhammad.[/size] Three of examples of medieval influences will be considered here.

1. The Centenary Year of Jubilee

One of the laws Moses gave to the people of Israel was that a jubilee year was to observed twice every century when slaves would be liberated and debts cancelled. God ordained it in these words:

A jubilee year shall that fiftieth year be to you. Leviticus 25.11

About 1300 AD Pope Boniface the Eighth decreed that the jubilee year should be reintroduced but that it should only be held at the turn of each century, that is, once every hundred years. After his death, however, Pope Clemens the Sixth decreed that the jubilee year should revert to every fifty years following the Biblical decree and there was talk thereafter of reducing it further. In the Gospel of Barnabas this saying is attributed to Jesus:

And then through all the world will God be worshipped, and mercy received, insomuch that the year of jubilee, which now cometh every hundred years, shall by the Messiah be reduced to every year in every place. Gospel of Barnabas, para 82
[/b]



The anachronism is obvious - [b]the author of the Gospel of Barnabas could only have spoken of the jubilee year coming every hundred years if he knew of the decree of Pope Boniface. Whoever wrote this Gospel makes Jesus repeat a proclamation which was only made at least thirteen centuries after his time! This proves that the Gospel is a forgery of not earlier than the 14th century AD.






2. Quotations from Dante’s Inferno

Dante was an Italian who lived at about the same time as Pope Boniface. He wrote a well-known classic titled Divina Comedia - the "Divine Comedy". It was a fantasy about hell, purgatory and heaven according to the beliefs of his time. Many passages in the Gospel of Barnabas show a dependence on his work, one of which is a saying attributed to Jesus of the prophets of old:

Readily and with gladness they went to their death, so as not to offend against the law of God given by Moses his servant, and go and serve false and lying gods. Gospel of Barnabas, para 23

The expression dei falsi e lugiardi (false and lying gods) is found elsewhere in the Gospel of Barnabas. Jesus is recorded as again using this phrase (para 78) while Herod is also said by the author to have "adored the false and lying gods" (para 217). The cliche is found in neither the Bible nor the Qur’an but is a direct quote from Dante! (Inferno 1.72).

In its actual descriptions of heaven and hell the Gospel of Barnabas follows Dante exactly while contradicting the Qur’an. [/b]Jesus is said to have declared to Simon Peter:

Know ye therefore that hell is one, yet hath seven centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell hath Satan generated it: so there are seven punishments therein. Gospel of Barnabas, para 135

Dante gives precisely this description in the fifth and sixth cantos of his Inferno. [b]Speaking of the heavens the Gospel of Barnabas states that they are nine and that Paradise itself is greater than all of them together (para 178). This again parallels Dante who also speaks of nine heavens with an Empyrean, a tenth heaven above them all. These depictions of heaven, however, directly contradict the Qur’an which teaches that after Allah had created the earth, he fashioned paradise as seven heavens (Surah 2.29).






3. The Medieval Environment of the Gospel

Other passages from the Gospel show that the author was more at home in the climate and seasons of southern Europe than in the land of Palestine. He makes Jesus speak of how beautiful the world is in summer-time when the harvest and fruit abound (para 169). This is a fair description of Italy in summer but not of Palestine where the rain falls in winter and the fields are parched in summer.

Likewise the Gospel of Barnabas speaks of storing wine in wooden wine-casks (para 152), a common practice in medieval Europe but not in first-century Palestine where wine was stored in skins (Matthew 9.17). Further proof of the author’s ignorance of the geography of Palestine is found in this statement:

Having arrived at the city of Nazareth the seamen spread through the city all that Jesus had wrought. Gospel of Barnabas, para 20

In this passage Nazareth is represented as a harbour on the Lake of Galilee. After this Jesus is said to have gone "up to Capernaum". Every disciple of Jesus would have known that Capernaum was the city on the shores of the lake while Nazareth is up in the hills. Jesus would have gone up from Capernaum to Nazareth, not the other way around as the Gospel of Barnabas has it.

These evidences all prove that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery compiled in southern Europe sometime around the 16th century after Christ. Let us proceed to examine other evidences that discount the authenticity of this book that calls itself a Gospel.

Other Evidences Against its Authenticity

Muslim: The Gospel of Barnabas must be the true Gospel since it teaches that Jesus was not to be the final messenger of God to mankind but that this honour would be reserved to our holy Prophet Muhammad who he said would follow after him.

There are numerous other evidences against the authenticity of the Gospel of Barnabas, some of which derive from the very passages where Jesus is said to have foretold the coming of Muhammad. It is very interesting to note that this Gospel makes no mention of John the Baptist - a striking omission, considering the attention given to him as a contemporary prophet to Jesus in the Biblical Gospels. Instead sayings of John are attributed to Jesus, such as "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord’" (John 1.23) which is ascribed to Jesus in the Gospel of Barnabas together with the whole conversation that surrounds it (para 42). The author of this Gospel conveniently, but very erroneously, makes Jesus say of Muhammad what John actually said of him.

The Messiah - Jesus or Muhammad?

John the Baptist denied that he was the Messiah when challenged by the Jewish leaders (John 1.20). The Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus deny the same thing in much the same words:

Jesus confessed and said the truth: ‘I am not the Messiah ... I am indeed sent to the house of Israel as a prophet of salvation; but after me shall come the Messiah’. Gospel of Barnabas, paras 42, 82

Who was to be the coming Messiah, then? Elsewhere the Gospel makes Jesus say "The name of the Messiah is Admirable ... God said: Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise ... Mohammed is his blessed name" (para 97). [size=14pt]Here the author of the Gospel of Barnabas completely overreaches himself for the Qur’an clearly states, no less than eleven times, that Jesus alone is the Messiah. The Bible confirms this too on many occasions (John 4.26, Matthew 16.20) and one quotation from the Qur’an will be sufficient to prove the point:

O Mary! Lo! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the hereafter. Surah 3.45[/size]

The title here is Al-Masih, "the Messiah", and Jesus himself is called Al-Masihu Isa, "the Messiah Jesus", elsewhere in the book (Surah 4.171). [size=14pt]So the Gospel of Barnabas incontrovertibly contradicts the Qur’an when it declares that Muhammad was to be the Messiah. No Muslim can be true to his own holy book while at the same time trying to defend the Gospel of Barnabas as an authentic Gospel. [/size]

What is very interesting here is the discovery that this Gospel not only contradicts the Qur’an but also itself. In the prologue to the book it speaks of "Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ" and states that it is the [size=14pt]"true Gospel of Jesus, called Christ". The author does not seem to have been aware that Messiah and Christ are interchangeable terms, meaning the same thing[/size]. The latter derives from the Greek word Christos which is a translation of the original Hebrew word Mashiah.

Contradictions between the Barnabas Gospel and the Qur’an

There are other [size=13pt]contradictions between the Qur’an and the Gospel of Barnabas which cannot be satisfactorily explained. One relates to the birth of Jesus as it is told in each book. The Gospel says this about the moment of his delivery:

The virgin was surrounded by a light exceeding bright and brought forth her son without pain. Gospel of Barnabas, para 3

This statement has no Biblical equivalent but parallels Catholic beliefs of the Middle Ages.[/size] It is further evidence that the Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery composed up to fifteen centuries after the time of Christ. [size=14pt]What is significant for Muslims, however, is that it totally disagrees with the Qur’an which says of Mary and the birth of Jesus:

And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. Surah 19.23
[/size]
There is little room here for Muslims to maintain their cherished belief that they have, in the Gospel of Barnabas, an original Gospel which is consistent with the Qur’an and Islamic tradition. It is not surprising that many Muslim scholars have, in recent times, rejected the Gospel as a forgery. Nonetheless there are still many Muslim writers, often well aware of the overwhelming evidences against it, who still promote it as an authentic text.

On the issue of Jesus on son of God.. According to gospel of Barnabas.. Jesus isn't biological nor born my God..



Even your piece of shit Bible supports it. According to your Bible.. As long as you a good person, you a son of God. And there are two begotten son of God in Bible. Jesus and David...

Over 50 Bible scholars wrote and studied Bible and brought out RSV Bible.. The most trusted Bible.. Written by Christian.. The stupid word begotten isn't in the RSV Bible because it's insane to think God can father a man.. Even the insane word TRINITY is thrown out of the RSV Bible because it's an intercollision, a concussion and a corruption.


Only people with right brain and people that can think right will know God can never father a child. It's human thing to sex or impregnate...




So therefore, bananas is correct.. Jesus was never son of God and Jesus truly cursed people that calls him son of God.



Now let's ask Jesus if he's son of God.. Go check your Bible.. He was called son of God but he always refer to himself as son of man

Scholar8200:
Well let your compatriots reply you: Deathstroke007 and Newnas!

Besides, that there is a false accentuates the fact that there is the True! It further implicates those who have hitherto found solace in the false!

Moreover, this explains why most extant religions appear to have similitudes of the Bible! Truth is this failed bandwagon attempt was not attempted for only one religion!!!

Gospel of Barnabas is more reliable than Bible.. Most of its contents is close to Quran

Rilwayne001:
There is no need for them to reply me.. They are entitled to their opinions and believe as you've rightly envisaged in your OP that certain muslims believe it to be fraud while some believe it to be the word of God. I don't believe both the barnabas gospel or the bible as the word of God.



Besides, that there is a false accentuates the fact that there is the True! It further implicates those who have hitherto found solace in the false!

Moreover, this explains why most extant religions appear to have similitudes of the Bible! Truth is this failed bandwagon attempt was not attempted for only one religion!!!

I have nothing to say.. You choose to believe a lie. It's entirely Your choice..

Fools.. Disbelief in gospel of Barnabas because it's so close to Islam.. Yet you believe in Bible who has unknown authors and mostly written by Paul. A book that's full of filth.. Your loss

Mark messed things up..
“As it is written in the prophet Isaiah, ‘See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way; the voice of one crying out in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight”‘. [Mark 1:2-3,)
Iam sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way "
This statement is not found anywhere in isaiah its rather found in malachi..
“See, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple.” [Malachi 3:1)
Even at this he is still messed up more,
Iam sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way ""
Malachi did not say this! Iam sending my messenger who will prepare the way before me! Its before me and not ahead of you as claimed by mark! Before me and not ahead of you! There is a differences between me and you!
This is the only part you can find in isaiah..
“A voice cries out: ‘In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.’” [Isaiah 40:3,
IAM SENDING MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY... this is not found in isaiah as claimed by mark rather in malachi...

Joshua9:8 And they said unto Joshua, We are thy servants. And Joshua said unto them, Who are ye? and from whence come ye?9 And they said unto him, From a very far country thy servants are come because of the name of the Lord thy God: for we have heard the fame of him, and all that he did in Egypt,They said unto joshua instead of they said unto me.And they said unto Him.So joshua was reffering to himself as HIM?

LOOK LIKE THE WORD OF HISTORIANS?


Genesis 26:33 ESV He called it Shibah; therefore thename of the city is Beersheba TO THIS DAY .Genesis 35:20 ESV and Jacob set up a pillar over hertomb. It is the pillar of Rachel's tomb, which is thereTO THIS DAY .1st Chronicles 4:43 ESV And they defeated theremnant of the Amalekites who had escaped, and theyhave lived there TO THIS DAY .The Christians claim the book of Joshua was written by Joshua, we read ;Joshua 7:26 ESV And they raised over him a greatheap of stones that remains to this day. Then theLord turned from his burning anger. Therefore, to thisday the name of that place is called the Valley ofAchor.Joshua recorded a present event and he included "TO THIS DAY". What a paradox!!!The only reasonable conclusion is that this is either but written by Joshua or there's a later editor who inserted it. We read again;Joshua 4:9 ESV And Joshua set up twelve stones inthe midst of the Jordan, in the place where the feet ofthe priests bearing the ark of the covenant had stood;and they are there to this day.Joshua wrote this books and instead of using "I", he was using "JOSHUA". how come someone is recording a present event with "TO THIS DAY".Okay, let me write something similar." And Lukman Bashir Lucas Samson set up twelve stones inthe midst of the Jordan, in the place where the feet ofthe priests bearing the ark of the covenant had stood;and they are there to this day."Is it commonsensical to say I wrote this?Joshua didn't write the book of Joshua.‪

Scholar8200:
So the Pharisees persecuted the disciples of Jesus on what basis? For what reason? What 'truth did they preach that attracted the anger of the Pharisees, Elders and Sanhedrin? ANSWER!

http://barnabas.net/index.php/chapters/431-chapter-39adam-gets-life




Go read all chapters

Scholar8200:
Herein lies one of the proofs of the deceptiveness of the author who is NOT Barnabas! (Just like the book of Enoch was NOT written by Enoch who lived at a time when printing was not invented!)

Now consider earnestly:
26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.
Daniel 9:26

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
Daniel 9:26

Here it is clearly stated that the Messiah shall be killed. That is why Jesus said:

Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luke 18:31,32,33

and said to them, “Thus it stands written that the Christ would suffer and would rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46,47

Prophecy:
When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
he will be satisfied.
And because of his experience,
my righteous servant will make it possible
[b]for many to be counted righteous,
for he will bear all their sins.
[/b]Isaiah 53:11

In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word will be established!

You dare quote from Bible that is full of insultive words on our creator SMH

When the prayer was ended, the priest said with a loud voice: `Stay, Jesus, for we need to know who thou art, for the quieting of our nation.'

Jesus answered: `I am Jesus, son of Mary, of the seed of David, a man that is mortal and feareth God, and I seek that to God be given honour and glory.'

The priest answered: `In the book of Moses it is written that our God must send us the Messiah, who shall come to announce to us that which God willeth, and shall bring to the world the mercy of God. Therefore I pray thee tell us the truth, art thou the Messiah of God whom we expect?'

Jesus answered: `It is true that God hath so promised, but indeed I am not he, for he is made before me, and shall come after me.'

The priest answered `By thy words and signs at any rate we believe thee to be a prophet and an holy one of God, wherefore I pray thee in the name of all Judaea and Israel that thou for love of God shouldst tell us in what wise the Messiah will come.'

Jesus answered: `As God liveth, in whose presence my soul standeth, I am not the Messiah whom all the tribes of the earth expect, even as God promised to our father Abraham, saying: "In thy seed will I bless all the tribes of the earth." But when God shall take me away from the world, Satan will raise again this accursed sedition, by making the impious believe that I am God and son of God, whence my words and my doctrine shall be contaminated, insomuch that scarcely shall there remain thirty faithful ones: whereupon God will have mercy upon the world, and will send his messenger for whom he hath made all things; who shall come from the south with power, and shall destroy the idols with the idolaters; who shall take away the dominion from Satan which he hath over men. He shall bring with him the mercy of God for salvation of them that shall believe in him, and blessed is he who shall believe his words.

Scholar8200:
Were do you have Jesus being called 'biological' son? That is the problem, measuring God with our puny, finite brain and deciding what He is and is not based on that!



just as the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:28

17 This is why the Father loves me—because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again.
John 10:17

and said to them, “Thus it stands written that the Christ would suffer and would rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46,47

Prophecy:
When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
he will be satisfied.
And because of his experience,
my righteous servant will make it possible
[b]for many to be counted righteous,
for he will bear all their sins.
[/b]Isaiah 53:11

In fact He was to be called Jesus - Jehovah Saves- because He will save His people from their sins i.e all who receive Him and believe on His Name (not as a mere prophet) but as Saviour and Lord.

etc

Laughing

After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we - as much as I have written - we preach to those that fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgment. Amen.

END OF THE GOSPEL

plappville:
Just clap for yourself. You think you can fool all the people with ur fabricated religion? Muhammad succeeded in winning the arabIAN world with lies when he created islam. You muslims are following his footsteps....but its unfortunate we are no longer in the dark age. Enough of your lies. You brainwashed souls. Wake up before its too late. Stop dragging others with you. The wide road is distruction. = ISLAM.

I initially don't wanna answer you but I have to because of your ignorance




Islam has proof of everything it contains in Quran and hadith.



Where in Bible Jesus go church or he ask you to pay tithe or told you to trust Bible or he claimed to be God or biological son of God or Trinity or he told you he come to this world to die for your sins nor he told you to worship him nor he told you people that your religion is to be called Christianity

There's no where you can find it in Bible.



THAT'S WHAT WE CALLED FABRICATED RELIGION (CHRISTIANITY)

Muslims are nor were ever terrorist

Without Muslims you wouldn't have:- Coffee- Cameras- Experimental Physics- Chess- Soap- Shampoo- Perfume/spirits- Irrigation- Crank-shaft, internal combustion engine, valves, pistons- Combination locks- Architectural innovation- Surgical instruments- Anesthesia- Windmill- Treatment of Cowpox- Fountain pen- Numbering system- Algebra/Trigonometry- Crystal glasses- Carpets- Checks- University- Optics- Toothbrush- Hospitals- Bathing- Quilting- Mariner’s Compass- Soft drinks- Pendulum- Braille- Cosmetics- Plastic surgery- Calligraphy- Manufacturing of paper and clothIt was a Muslim who realized that light Enters our eyes, unlike the Greeks who thought we Emitted rays, and so invented a camera from this discovery.It was a Muslim who first tried to FLY in 852, even though it is the Wright Brothers who have taken the credit.It was a Muslim by the name of Jabir ibn Hayyan who was known as the founder of modern Chemistry. He transformed alchemy into chemistry. He invented: distillation, purification, oxidation, evaporation, and filtration. He also discovered sulfuric and nitric acid.It is a Muslim, by the name of Al-Jazari who is known as the father of robotics.It was a Muslim who was the architect for Henry V’s castle.It was a Muslim who invented hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes, a technique still used today.It was a Muslim who actually discovered inoculation, not Jenner and Pasteur to treat cowpox. The West just brought it over from TurkeyIt was Muslims who contributed much to mathematics like Algebra and Trigonometry, which was imported over to Europe 300 years later to Fibonacci and the rest.It was Muslims who discovered that the Earth was round 500 years before Galileo did.And The list goes on…Just imagine a world without Muslims. Now I think you probably meant, JUST IMAGINE A WORLD WITHOUT TERRORISTS. And then I would agree, the world would definitely bea better place without those pieces of filth. But to hold a whole group responsible for the actions of a few is ignorant and racist. No one would ever expect Christians or Whitepeople to be held responsible for the acts of Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma bombing) or Andreas Brevik (Norway killing), or the gun man that shot Congresswoman Giffords in head, wounded 12 and killed 6 people, and rightly so because they had nothing to do with those incidents! Just like the rest of the 1.5 billion Muslims have nothing to do with this incident!

malvisguy212:
is that the picture of Jesus ? Who snap the picture when He was praying ? Did He wash is face ,hands and nose ? The reason you are insulting me is because this thread hit you soo much, there is more to come. Even your prophet don't understand the christians and Jewish doctrine ,how much more his slaves. see the foolishness muhammed claim in the quran;

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the
son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men,
'Take ME AND MY MOTHER FOR TWO GODs BESID Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]

This is embarrassing, muhammed misunderstood the relationship between God the son and God the father, so he include God the mother!! Lol. It is clear muhammed did not understand the christian doctrine.

Your illiteracy is beyond doubt.. Instead of you arguing about the Bible verses, you arguing about picture... You ain't worth debating with me.

malvisguy212:
trash!!!
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26,
Number 675:
Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his
father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab
addressed the Corner ( BLACK STONE)
saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you
are a stone and can neither benefit
nor harm. Had I not seen the
Prophet touching (and kissing) you,
I would never have touched (and
kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.

This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up
venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad
and Allah.

Sheikh Sha’rawi, one of Egypt’s
renowned scholars declared in Legal
Opinions, pt. 3, p. 167:
“The kissing of the meteorite is a firm
practice in Islamic law because
Muhammad did it. You must not
ask about the wisdom behind that
because this rite is (an expression)
of worship in spite of the obscurity
of its wisdom.”

What a pity..

malvisguy212:
this boy, you are very good in lying.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 583:
Narrated By Abdullah: When the
Prophet entered Mecca on the day of
the Conquest, there were 360 idols
around the Ka’ba.

Now keep in mind that there are 360 idols in the kabba. Now we will consider another serious problem in Islam.

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
PURIFY MY HOUSE for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

Muhammed claim, Allah made the house (mecca). The Ka’ba also known as “Baitullah” means “House of Allah.” Now, how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah” become a pagan temple housing 360 pagan idols? How can a House of God become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why did Allah allow this to occur to his place of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem , unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

Like I always said... You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.




On the day on conquest, means before conquest.. After conquest, no more idols..


In fact i won't be replying any of your post that's senseless any longer

malvisguy212:
I am very busy now. This thread may have hit you soo hard, hence the insult. Muhammed illiteracy does not mean he is not interlingent or is he deaf and blind ? Is muhammed not interlingent ? as if it is impossible to guess how an illiterate man could possibly plagiarize other ideas like he plagiarize the bible ... was he also deaf and/or mentally incompetent to have a discussion with somebody and come up with ideas? If he could hear a conversation and reason then being illiterate is irrelevant.
but for an illiterate man who is otherwise intelligent, who came in contact with many people because he was a caravan trader and most probably exposed to many ideas.

You say Jesus performed 5 daily prayer, I ask, how could that be possible ? Muhammed invent the 5 daily prayer, before muhammed came allah wanted 50 prayer, so it doesent make sense for Jesus to performed 5 daily prayer.

Like I always said.. You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.



Read the picture to know Jesus prayed Salah 5 times a day..




When you won't read Bible... It's only a software license to you...


You are supposed to be ashamed.. It's we Muslims that even do explain and show you people stuffs you don't know in Bible...






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malvisguy212:
satan is toying with your brain,muhammed founded islam, he even say he is the FIRST muslim in Surah 6:163, everything concerning muslim prayer was done during the time of muhammed, how did Jesus performed 5 daily prayer when allah wanted 50 ? Before muhammed came allah wanted 50 daily prayer. The book of revelation is a prophecy, an event yet to be fulfilled, John is seeing vision.

Like I said.. You are a fool.. A pure disgrace to education world..


Let me give you an advice.. Always do research on anything before you post..



How can Mohammed who is an illiterate write Quran and invent Islam? Islam has been in existence since the beginning of creation.


Submission to the will of creator is Islam
Every single prophet, including Jesus preached Islam...

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Now onto your questions..



Like I said, you are a disgrace to education world.


Black stone wasn't about paganism... It's that stupid cross of crucifix that is..


Go read about black stone in Bible and read about it in Quran..




Your number 4 question..



Black stone isn't to unify Muslims... Islam unifies Muslims..



Expanciate your point on Arabs killing each other..

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Now onto your questions....

Kahbah was never an idol residence since we started facing it to pray. And if you don't know, kahbah is located at the centre of the world...


And you are a pagan. You disbelief in everything Jesus belief. Jesus preached 1 God, told you to follow law of Moses, told you he's servant of God, and told you to accept Ahmad and follow him... But you didn't... Instead you belief in murder as a form of salvation, you worship Jesus, you go to church (a place Jesus never set foot in or know about), you believe in Bible (a book Jesus knows nothing about and the stupid book that insults our creator)

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Now onto your questions....



Yeah, Allah told us not to face Jerusalem as Qiblah anymore but Kahbah... And mecca has been conquered by Islam by that time... There's no single idol in the kahbah... You a pitiful soul.. Despite the fact that you following a religion Jesus knows nothing about, you dare lie against kahabah... You are a disgrace to the education world

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

And on the issue of kahabah and black stone... It's all detailed in Bible..


Bible called kahbah Bacca.. Even the tawaf of kahbah is there

Do research on it.. Google is your friend..



Like I said, you are a fool.. Always do research on anything you want to post before posting

malvisguy212:
FROM FIFTY TO FIVE DAILY
PRAYERS
Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who
did take His servant for a Journey
by night from the Sacred Mosque to
the farthest Mosque, Whose
precincts We did bless, – in order that
We might show him some of Our
Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth
and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali)

According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly
took Muhammad on a journey from the
Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque
at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night Journey with great
importance for the reason that this
journey determined the Islamic ritual of
praying five times a day. In other words,
Muhammad’s Night Journey has an
impact on the lives of more than a billion Muslims all over the world – five times – each and every day.

Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce to 5 after muhammed plead.

There are twenty-four hours in a day. If
Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to
pray fifty times a day, Muslims would
hardly have sufficient time left for work,
sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we
were to allow just fifteen minutes for
each of the fifty prayer rituals along with
the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5
hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not
include the time it takes to travel to the
mosque and back for those who prefer to
pray there. However, on Fridays all
Muslim males are required to pray at the
mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even
going by the very bare minimum, a
Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours.
Most employment requires a person to
work at least 8 hours a day on the
average. What about the time spent
traveling to and fro from work? If we
were to deduct an average of just 10
hours for employment, the Muslim is
now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And
humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of
sleep to remain healthy.
OUR QUESTION IS:
Does not Allah know that there are only
24 hours in a day?
Does not Allah know that his
worshippers need to work, eat, sleep
and care for their families?
Why did not Allah know that even going
by the bare minimum, Muslims will not
be able cope with his absurd demand
to pray fifty times a day?
Did not Allah know that it would be
impossible for Muslims to accomplish
this unreasonable command to stop
every 28.8 minutes for prayer?
Can Allah really then be the all
knowing God as you claim?
Since a Muslim will have to stop
working twice each hour to pray, would
any employer, in his right mind,
employ a Muslim?
Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to
pray five times a day in the first place?
Does not this show that Moses was
much wiser than Allah?
Does not this also prove that Moses was
more in tune with reality than Allah?
How could Moses – a mere human

Even the reduced number of five daily
prayers at specific times has proven to
be counter productive to the economy
growth of many Muslim nations.
Prayer works through love. In
Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers that are demanded to be expressed in a specific number of times and at certain specific times. There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian can pray at any time before his God. The Bible prescribes neither the form nor the amount of prayer required of the believer. In the Bible, prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion,
although this does not contradict the
fact, that God has told his worshippers to persevere in prayer.

Now, on the kiblah issue.. That's what Allah commanded us to do.. And besides, in the book of Mathew, where Jesus prayed (Salah) 5 times a day, tell me which direction he's facing... Is it Jerusalem or mecca?

Every single prophet in Bible worshipped Allah bowing down (prostration).. Ask Bible which direction they faced.. It's easy.. Go read REVELATION 7:11 (angels performing salat) ask Bible the direction they faced

Nehimayah 8:4-6(they performed salat) ask Bible direction they faced



Direction they faced is kiblah..





No single prophet in Bible read Bible or attended church... Yet you keep stirring trash...


Ignorant fool


You are a fool.. You always bring up discussions you have absolutely no knowledge about