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seggzz:
Which rubbish interpretation? I gave many Qur'an verses supporting the claim. Does this, " The verses means cover Not your private part from whom you are legally married with.. and NOT from slaves or Captives that your RIGHT HAND" means literally interpretation to my Quran verses? If you actually go to school you should see other verses that best interprete rape. Maybe the word, right hand possesses, is confusing you. Check other verses where slaves were directly use.... I see your defense is baseless..... I see you as someone who doesn't know the Quran. Challenge me with Quran verses where slaves raping is not encourage. Give me at least two verses where slaves sex is never encourage. Waiting for you!!!

are you sure you are educated??

Richirich713:
When was the Gospel of Barnabas written ?

And isn't it corrupted?

google is your friend... it's not corrupted.. he writes based on what he saw and heard

SalC:
Like seriously is this even worth debating on?


Herod ruled Judea from 37BC to 4BC while Pilate's reign was from 26AD to 36AD there is a clear 30 years difference between their regimes.

Herod ruled while Jesus was born while Pilate ruled during the period of his death. Both never ruled during his birth like your gospel of barnabas errornously want us to believe. So for someone who claimed to be an eye witness to commit such historic blunder casts a serious doubt on his claims.

Yes I refer to him as "A Barnabas" because this so called Barnabas can't be same as. Paul's companion.

now am sure you know nothing about Barnabas

SalC:
Now I am wondering if you even took time to read up on the life of the real Barnabas.

The real Barnabas is a Hebrew who lived his later life and died in the Island of Cyprus. Cyprus has always been and is still in the present day Greece and a Greek speaking land. Even his relic were later discovered under a cherry tree in Cyprus. There is no record of him going to Spain or knowing the spanish language. If there is a language he should know, it should be greek and not spanish.

On the other hand your gospel of Barnabas was found to be written in Spanish and italian not in Hebrew or Greek that the real Barnabas would have written it if he were to be the author.

Except maybe you are going to show me any proof he knew Spanish in his lifetime.

story... did he knew Jesus?

SalC:
https://www.nairaland.com/1823912/picture-original-manuscript-injeel-bible#24879356



This is a post I made in another thread about this.

A Barnabas who claimed to be the Apostle of Jesus yet didn't know Herod and pilate didn't rule judea thesame time. And pilate wasn't even on seat when Jesus was born.

Go read the blunder in chapter 3 of your revered gospel.

I don't even wanna start,

your proof Barnabas didn't speak Spanish
.. your proof that the Bible was written 1500years ago and your claims with the crucifixion

SalC:
https://www.nairaland.com/1823912/picture-original-manuscript-injeel-bible#24879356



This is a post I made in another thread about this.

A Barnabas who claimed to be the Apostle of Jesus yet didn't know Herod and pilate didn't rule judea thesame time. And pilate wasn't even on seat when Jesus was born.





Go read the blunder in chapter 3 of your revered gospel.

I don't even wanna start,

am listening to your proof of Herod Pilate and Judea.... an eye witness is stating account of happenings and you saying another thing.. prove him wrong.. am all hears









and you saying A Barnabas.... simply means you know nothing about Barnabas

SalC:
https://www.nairaland.com/1823912/picture-original-manuscript-injeel-bible#24879356



This is a post I made in another thread about this.

A Barnabas who claimed to be the Apostle of Jesus yet didn't know Herod and pilate didn't rule judea thesame time. And pilate wasn't even on seat when Jesus was born.





Go read the blunder in chapter 3 of your revered gospel.

I don't even wanna start,

am listening to your proof of Herod Pilate and Judea.... an eye witness is stating account of happenings and you saying another thing.. prove him wrong.. am all hears

Raphael81:
lol very sick post, why is it that muslims always find a ground to back up their beliefs? lol u can as well read the torah to find mr muhammed not only the bible

another clueless Christian... go find dead sea scroll, go find original Greek Bible, go find the name Muhammad.. it's even in your English Bible, they translated the name to all together lovely...

seggzz:
You should cover your mouth now because you only spits out words without Quran verses. You want to tell me that you know more than a professor in Islam? Or you know more than an Islamic Institute that has been existing over thousands years ago? You should be really ashamed of opening that mouth to bring out illiterate germs..... Lol

pained... if you can't accept my own interpretation of the verse.. and you decide to follow the lies you have been fed... well, it's your choice.. just like you choose to believe Jesus is son of god and god and Holy Spirit.. lol

unphilaz:
this is the woman you should direct you allahh wish for sense and olodo.. see her

lol.. Christians sha.. iro po

SalC:
I refrained from meaningless arguments like this already.

If you believe the writer of that book was same as Barnabas Paul's companion, then you must have descended from Mars.

then your Christians scholars are from Mars

SalC:
And you want us to rather accept the lies of your so called gospel of Barnabas.


Barnabas an apostle of Jesus indeed!!! Smh

laughing... who is the teacher of Paul? who was Paul following before he start writing about Jesus?


you guys know absolutely nothing about your man made religion..


you know Paul and you don't know Barnabas.. when na only 2go una go dey use phone do.. I don't think you do read Bible xef

seggzz:
Is this just your explanation for all the Qur'an verses? Laughing in swahili. You need to study and think logically. You have been blinded and indoctrinated with religious fallacies. Read carefully, I have answered your questions. Since you have agreed my Quran verses are correct then swerve!!! Why decorating lies

chai.. you ain't ashamed of yourself.. despite the fact that I explained that verse.. even gave you like 5 questions to answer which you didn't.... yet you claim am a lair... clueless like people who think Jesus is god and son of god... lol










THIS IS THE ANSWER ONCE AGAIN




I have cross checked it.. the first Quran verse you quoted is correct.. now onto the explanation rationally.
The verses means cover Not your private part from whom you are legally married with.. and NOT from slaves or Captives that your RIGHT HAND possess..
you will see i capitalized the right hand... from your own understanding and educational background... what does right hand literary means?? Now contextually, what does right hand means in this verse?
does that right hand has anything related To Molest according to the context?...
#am awaiting your answer#

seggzz:
Is this just your explanation for all the Qur'an verses? Laughing in swahili. You need to study and think logically. You have been blinded and indoctrinated with religious fallacies. Read carefully, I have answered your questions. Since you have agreed my Quran verses are correct then swerve!!! Why decorating lies

chai.. you ain't ashamed of yourself.. despite the fact that I explained that verse.. even gave you like 5 questions to answer which you didn't.... yet you claim am a lair... clueless like people who think Jesus is god and son of god... lol

seggzz:
Who told you I'm a Christian?

jamb question

malvisguy212:
trash as usual.
Surah 23:1-6
The believers must eventually win
through…Who abstain from sex,
Except with those joined to them in
the marriage bond, OR THE CAPTIVE WOMEN WHOM THEIR RIGHT HAND POSSESS , – for in their case they are free from blame. (Yusuf Ali)

The believers are free to have satisfied their canal desire on the captive women, it is no sin to them according to muhammed."they are free from blame"

Sura 4:24
And all married women (are
forbidden unto you) save those
(captives) whom your right hands
possess. It is a decree of Allah for
you. (Pickthall)

This means that while a Muslim man is
prohibited from engaging in sex with a
married woman, there is an exception to this rule if the married woman happens to fall into his hands as a captive of war.

As stated earlier, Surah 4:24 permits
Muslim men to have sexual intercourse
with married women who became slaves through capture. We will now look at the circumstances under which Surah 4:24 was revealed. The following Hadiths will aid us to identify the circumstances that led to the revelation of Surah 4:24.

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3432:
Abu Sa’idal-Khudri (Allah be pleased
with him) reported that at the Battle
of Hunain, Allah’s Messenger (may
peace be upon him) sent an army to
Autas and encountered the enemy
and fought with them. Having
overcome them and taken them
captives, the Companions of Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon
him) seemed to refrain from having
intercourse with captive women
because of their husbands being
polytheists. Then Allah, Most High,
sent down regarding that: “And
women already married, except
those whom your right hands
possess (Qur’an 4:24)”

Surah 4:24 was revealed in a specific
context when Muslim fighters got female captives whose husbands were still alive. And some of the holy warriors had been a little hesitant to have intercourse with the captive women in the presence of their husbands. Therefore, they consulted their supreme leader.Muhammad realised that if Allah did not include married women in his
authorization to rape captives, then the
motivation of his holy warriors to fight
the next jihad will soon diminish. He
immediately sought Allah’s intervention
and right away, Allah revealed Surah
4:24 to sanction both rape and adultery.

YOUR LOSS.. YOU THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND PLAIN WORD SAID BY JESUS THAT I WILL BE ARGUING WITH.. NEVER THE LESS, I HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.. SEEMS MY ANSWERS HIT YOUR SOFT POINT. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU RANTING... PAINED.. ANY SINGLE RUBBISH YOU POST ABOUT ISLAM, I WILL ALWAYS DISMANTLE IT

seggzz:
You said what I quoted is right, Why change the statements? The verse means more than what you understand. Have you read Quran 70:29-30?

laughing hysterically....


I have explained the verse.. and i want you to finish the explanation yourself... that's why I throw those questions to you... yet you said i haven't explained anything..




I rest my case

malvisguy212:
lol. Is this your best defence ?

it's either you can't read or you are blind... av already refute this silly accusations on Islam.. read my latter post

seggzz:
"The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from SEX, EXCEPT with those joined to them in the MARRIAGE bond, or (the CAPTIVES ) WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for (in their case) they are FREE from BLAME." (Qur'an 23:1-6).
check the capitalized above

And those who guard their private parts, except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed,
Quran 70:29-30

na so you people start calling Jesus son of god and god when he clearly never said it



intentional mis-interpretation

seggzz:
"The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from SEX, EXCEPT with those joined to them in the MARRIAGE bond, or (the CAPTIVES ) WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for (in their case) they are FREE from BLAME." (Qur'an 23:1-6).
check the capitalized above

And those who guard their private parts, except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed,
Quran 70:29-30

I have cross checked it.. the first Quran verse you quoted is correct.. now onto the explanation rationally.


The verses means cover Not your private part from whom you are legally married with.. and NOT from slaves or Captives that your RIGHT HAND possess..



you will see i capitalized the right hand... from your own understanding and educational background... what does right hand literary means?? Now contextually, what does right hand means in this verse?


does that right hand has anything related to rape according to the context?...



#am awaiting your answer#

seggzz:
"The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from SEX, EXCEPT with those joined to them in the MARRIAGE bond, or (the CAPTIVES ) WHOM THEIR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, for (in their case) they are FREE from BLAME." (Qur'an 23:1-6).
check the capitalized above

And those who guard their private parts, except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed,
Quran 70:29-30

now.. before i cross check those Quran verses... cross check it first... if there's any changed word from the verse... I will invoke the wrath of Allah on you..

seggzz:
You mean that Islamic female scholar is illiterate? You mean she lack knowledge, wisdom and common sense? If yes, you must be joking.......

There many verses that support this ideology. If you want me to give you more Quran verses to keep your mouth, I will do so? First of all, I have you read the verse the female scholar?


Don't publicly display your ignorant. Most of you don't read the Quran. I was once a Muslim and Christian OK? I have verse knowledge of these two.

laughing.... in Islam, we don't care who you are... if you are wrong, we will say it.. that so called scholar is wrong.. besides, if you even read the article with open mind, you will see that the surah and hadith she quoted stood against her point...

seggzz:
Two categories of women have been excluded from the general command of guarding the private parts: (a) wives, (b) women who are legally in one’s possession, i.e. slave-girls. Thus the verse clearly lays down the law that one is allowed to have sexual relation with one’s slave-girl as with one’s wife, the basis being possession and not marriage.

your source

analice107:
Why are you copying OAM4J? you can't stand a discussion yet you went on to start it? Are so stupid not to know that Mods are reading what we type without you call g them?

ehya.... I don't know why you are so pained... abi the MOD complain to you ni.. take life easy o.. make una no kill yourself o

Annunaki:
Dunce and chronic pathological islamic liar. The quoran verses and quoted hadiths encouraged raping of sex slaves and mohammed himself raped sex slaves(sunnah) no matter the amount of lies and curses you write will change these facts. That you are denying the obvious is enough evidence we need to know that deep down inside you, you are ashamed of your sex maniac of a paedophile prophet.

#see# so clueless

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laughing... you a disgrace to Jesus.......... you don't even know anything about gospel of Barnabas

Jesus turned himself to him who writes, and said: "Barnabas, see that by all means you write my gospel concerning all that has happened through my dwelling in the world. And write in a similar manner that which has befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived, and every one may believe the truth." Then answered he who writes: "I will do so, if God wills, O Master; but I do not know what happened to Judas, for I did not see it."


Jesus answered: "Here are John and Peter who saw everything, and they will tell you all that has passed." And then Jesus commanded us to call his faithful disciples [so] that they might see him. So James and John called together the seven disciples with Nicodemus and Joseph, and many others of the seventy-two, and they ate with Jesus.


The third day Jesus said: "Go to the Mount of Olives with my mother, for there I will ascend again to heaven, and you will see who shall bear me up." So they all went there except twenty-five of the seventy-two disciples, who for fear had fled to Damascus. And as they all stood in prayer, at midday Jesus came with a great multitude of angels who were praising God: and the splendour of his face made them greatly afraid and they fell with their faces to the ground. But Jesus lifted them up, comforting them, and saying: "Do not be afraid, I am your master."


And he reproved many who believed that he had died and risen again, saying: "Do you hold me and God for liars? I said to you that God has granted to me to live almost to the end of the world. Truly I say to you, I did not die; it was Judas the traitor. Beware, for Satan will make every effort to deceive you. Be my witnesses in Israel, and throughout the world, of all things that you have heard and seen."


And having said this, he prayed God for the salvation of the faithful, and the conversion of sinners and [then], his prayer ended, he embraced his mother, saying: "Peace be to you, my mother. Rest in God who created you and me." And having said this, he turned to his disciples, saying: "May God's grace and mercy be with you." Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up into heaven