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Find attached the existing pictures of the School Toilet before we came here...

Hello great Nairaland followers...

Thank you for finding time on our thread.
We have always promised to bring to you up to speed our work progress in different locations.

This project is a community project by Rotary Club Who contacted us to carry on this task.

Currently, the school Toilet facility for the student is pit toilet which is very much delapidated and out of use for a while. Our task here is to completely change it to water cistern and introduce good sanitary system for both girls and boys.

Total number of toilets is 10... To be upgraded from pot toilet to water cistern and wash hands with urinals and water taps introduced...

Find attached the picture gallery of the work stages. First, we would be sharing the 3D model designed by Dennis3D ™ who us the contractor on this project...

You can call it a community project carried out by Rotary Club of Ojodu in fulfillment of its role to touching lives of people... This project is been done in the tenure of the Opportunity President during the Opportunity Year of Rotary.

We just birthed another contemporary design for a client in Lekki.

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Resuming this project Asap
Currently taking Block delivery on site
While we prepare for other activities

n3xt:
@dennis3D it’s time to give back.

I had a similar idea in mind for the BQ. I just don’t know how crazy my client would allow me to go I can do something with steel

Baba Egunmogaji2, are you with me on the tank tower idea below?

Thanks Baba Kopell for sharing with us.

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We just delivered another design for another client in Port Harcourt. Guest House Design of 15 Bedrooms standard.

We are resuming work here ending of February. Stay tuned.

saydfact:
Very recently (last year) - I discontinued a working relationship with a client from NL property thread.

The summary is, he contacted me 3 years back and we've been having a talking relationship about me designing his building.

In fact, I had done 3 different designs for him as he changed his choices within those years.

I have NEVER charged him or collected a penny for all those 2 years of consultation or 3 designs I did. Finally, last year when he was ready to proceed and pay me to produce his approval drawings, he asked me what is a simple question.... CAN I PRODUCE AN APPROVAL DRAWING, because he read somewhere that only registered Architectures can, he wanted to know if I was.

I immediately told him I would not be proceeding with the work, I also told him he was free to use the last design I sent to him by giving to any Architect to develop it.

My reason is simple... In those 3 years of totally free consultation, I told him about the different types of drawings (approval or construction), I told him about survey and approval etc HE NEVER ASKED ME THIS DOUBTING QUESTIONS... but in my opinion when he was finally going to pay me for something, he started doubting (in my opinion)

I told him for him to ask me that question means he doesn't trust me yet (after 3 years) and I don't work if I have the slightest hint of mistrust.

So... Build a good relationship, trust then talk about business - if people have a good relationship with you outside of business, there won't be an issue and if there ever is, it won't land on NL labeling you as scam cos they know you're not... Mess ups happen, but 1 mess up should not define you.

Thanks

Very well, now you hit it well.

Let's not voice out on NL Members who makes one do designs upon designs for them without paying for those designs.

Its experience and maturity that made you not to come to the property section to voice this. Oh Yeah. This is very common. Very very common. I have taken my time to visit a client's site, took physical measurements, produced 3 different drawings, went as far as doing 3D interior model of the designs, he liked it and all. When it's time to pay for the design so that a more detailed construction document comes out story changes. A few other members would make a request, do a design first and all...

Over time, I will be the last to start a design for a client who doesn't mobilize a percentage for his job to commence. Yes. This statement remains valid as they say experience is the best teacher and since I applied this, clients who needs Jon's to be actually done for them, I mean clients who are ready to build. None of them has any issue with mobilization before design commences.

But say it in property section, they will crucify you there like you don't have a right to demand such. Forgetting that the moment someone's gets on his system to start up a design, that's his time, brain energy, thinking process, etc automatically work has started. Some members understands this, many don't. They want you to do a complete drawing before they mobilize you. Well, I wish never to meet such people anymore. Thanks to the ones we have designed for and still designing for.

That doesn't in any way mean that we can't do free works. Oh yeah, I have done many too as a kind of assistance to clients and just members too. But those that come in disguise to use and dump Architect and contractors here are the ones am referring to. They are many on property section. I don't need to mention them. They know themselves when they read this post.

So it's a whole lot of experiences that we all have faced here in this years. We are not discouraged however because every life processes has its own challenges and I personally see such members are one of those things you meet in the course of life. Did their attitude change one from being nice to people. No. Did their deceitful acts make someone become hard to find. No. Experiences with such members only teach you lessons to learn from and better yourself.

I chose to comfortably write here because I believe this place is still new and people are easily watching and reading facts. Not busy arguing and tagging someone scam without proof like its been done in property session. Yeah, I said this because I was surprised at the way people call out people on property section and say things boldly without facts. I was shocked the day someone said on Property section that someone like me would take a client's material. Lol it sounded funny to me, in fact she said "No wonder people say, I do it". I was as shocked as you reading this. How on earth will a contractor move a client's material on site just like that. Well, like the saying goes. A thief will always call every single person thief.

The lesson that people should learn is always learn to weed out who is saying the truth and who is busy crying foul at all times. Properly section has been very very unfair to Architects, building contractors and with the way its going. Soon, those members would and should be ready to proffer the solutions that needs professional assistance on by themselves because it's getting out of hand.

Sorry for the long write up though.

saydfact:
For me that's the summary of it all.. The 1st thing is to develop a good working relationship, then you can discuss business after that relationship.... And hopefully every one should be fine...

Correct. That works fine.

Like my current clients, two from diaspora whose work are currently ongoing. The way we communicate and execute work is superb. Even though some times requests not initially captured on plan are made and by communication with mutual understanding, we are able to still execute them without going to sign any other change of plan agreements and stuff.

The simple point am making is this. Everyone can draft out a detailed agreement or contract for work but in practice or real construction things can tend to change. When they do. You communicate with your client and the client in turn has the responsibility to understand the situation and apply the principle of common sense of responsibility to take appropriate decision. So as the contractor.

Following the contract agreement to the later sometimes especially for private builds, may make one look stiff and from experience over time. Some clients don't want that. They will tell you that you ain't flexible. But that's ought to be the way to go. So in such case you have to device a means of creating a balance between both parties to reach a consensus.

- Communication is Key
- Change is Constant
- Client most times if you ask me should be considerate when making requests and managing the cycle of their protect too.
- Contractor must have the ability to manage a client as well as their requests effectively.
- Let it always be a WIN WIN Situation for both parties for smooth operations to take place.

Dennis3D:
From Experience,
Most clients don't keep to the rules.
That's basically the summary of it all.
Some of them are cunning and deceitful.

Some are good and have remained good till date.

Property section is basically a place where members side mostly the client which is very bad and it's loosing is value since someone that is good will all of a sudden become bad over night. What happens to his previous ratings.

Just because he/she had a hitch with a client. Abuses and abusive words would be rein on such person.

Not justifying anything but the truth is. Clients who show good sense of humor to contractors. God bless you all and the people that work for you. To the ones that keep dragging people to the mud. Well, I have nothing to say to you.

Its a faceless forum. People type what they like at their will without concern about how the recipient feels. It's a high time client respects contractors and it's high time contractors respect clients too and do what they are asked to do.

This will everyly remain an ongoing discussion because it has a lot of dimensions to it. Depending on where you are looking at it from.

If you bring out all contractual terms and conditions for na individual or private client for a residential property, he will term you overly expensive. You decide to go by the norms, he will still find something to say.

I will always go by this. No one is Saint. Develop a good working relationship between you as a client and the contractor working for you and get the best out of each other and everyone should be happy. Once there is mutual understanding between the parties. Everything should be fine.

As for property session. With the rate it's going. People who genuinely would need help are and may not find it anymore because people who ought to assist are gradually loosing interest in it and the way things are going there.

We have had really good experience with clients here on NL and really very very bad ones too with same NL Members.

Its simply annoying that members of the thread always side the client at all times.

Most contractors swallow how badly they are been treated just because they don't want any issues or name tagging and derailing of thread posts. That doesn't mean they ain't hurt badly by clients here.

My simple advise would be. Do what works for you between you a client and a contractor to avoid all this back and forth stories here and there.

From Experience,
Most clients don't keep to the rules.
That's basically the summary of it all.
Some of them are cunning and deceitful.

Some are good and have remained good till date.

Property section is basically a place where members side mostly the client which is very bad and it's loosing is value since someone that is good will all of a sudden become bad over night. What happens to his previous ratings.

Just because he/she had a hitch with a client. Abuses and abusive words would be rein on such person.

Not justifying anything but the truth is. Clients who show good sense of humor to contractors. God bless you all and the people that work for you. To the ones that keep dragging people to the mud. Well, I have nothing to say to you.

Its a faceless forum. People type what they like at their will without concern about how the recipient feels. It's a high time client respects contractors and it's high time contractors respect clients too and do what they are asked to do.

This will everyly remain an ongoing discussion because it has a lot of dimensions to it. Depending on where you are looking at it from.

If you bring out all contractual terms and conditions for na individual or private client for a residential property, he will term you overly expensive. You decide to go by the norms, he will still find something to say.

I will always go by this. No one is Saint. Develop a good working relationship between you as a client and the contractor working for you and get the best out of each other and everyone should be happy. Once there is mutual understanding between the parties. Everything should be fine.

As for property session. With the rate it's going. People who genuinely would need help are and may not find it anymore because people who ought to assist are gradually loosing interest in it and the way things are going there.

luvablesam:
Hi everyone,
I am currently carrying out a building project and I am torn between using pillars in front or using blocks to form pillars.

I need suggestions please

Depends on what you want to achieve at the end of the day. They are not performing the same option in terms of strength.

Concrete pillar posses more strength than block pillars. Block pillar is not a structural pillar as such especially when you have done it with hollow blocks of 9 talk more of 6 inches as seen in some people's cases.

You might want to combine the two options if you need to see structural and aesthetics shown at the same time. Your builder should know more as regarding what the design says.

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jhorjhor:
Weldone Engineer.

What is the excavation depth of your foundation (considering the hard ground). I would also like to know the reasons for your use of beams on the foundation floor.

Thank you for following up with us here.
The land is sloppy. The foundation depth is 2.5fit to 18 inches respectively because the land is extremely hard so that gives it a good bearing capacity to withstand load. The beam is necessary to control sheer pressure and attaining a level before we did the oversite slab

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