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agaugust:
Your list is nothing special, about Nigeria.
Those things you wrote are all normal incidents of war.
They have happened to Germany, America, Russia, Britain, Israel, Ethiopia, Egypt, Japan, China etc in battles, check their war history.
Also, those things happened in World War II, Vietnam war, Korean war, SADF-Cuba Bush war, Middle East war, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Angola, etc.
It was a nice list of nothing special, just normal war occurrence.
In war y.ou kill, y.ou die, you run, you return, you lose land, you capture land, you kick and get kicked. Nobody has monopoly of hitting the enemy and not being hit back by the enemy. Life is not sweet for you alone, the other side too will have their own sweet day.
Battles are many and with different results, what matters most is the end of the war, who wins, who loses.
Southies don't know what war is, they think @THIZA has shown them war with his many photos from Hollywood SA
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Name ONE country where ALL of the things happened to the same military and in tandem. Not in isolation but in tandem.


Just one!

You do that and you win the Internet today.

You won't be able to because this is unique to Nigeria. The Nigerian military is definitely and without a doubt, a lost cause.

Henry120:
You're a retarrd.

It feels like a debating with a wall/ or patches. Irreasonable !!

Algeria battled islamist from 1991-2004 on large scale, and still continues to battle multiple pockets of islamist to this day.

I've educated you on the history of extremism in Nigeria, the heightened proliferation of arms into this conflict due to the situation in libya, the progress Nigeria has and continues to make in it's COIN efforts.

At this point, as always, what you choose to believe is entirely your problem.

You were "done" with me a post ago. But you aren't "done" with me because you can't ignore that which hurts you. You can only get angry and hurl insults. But that changes nothing.

You know what you are angry?

You're angry because you thought that you were being smart hours when you said COiN has given way to semi-conventional.

You don't anticipate that this would be used against you. Now that it is, you're disgusted with yourself. All these insults are meant for you, but you need an outlet.

Your stories, no one buys. They are excuses. The proliferation of weapons story has been shown to not work, because if it were true, all the countries in the region should have a trajectory similar to nigeria.

But it ONLY in Nigeria where:

1. Bases are seized and female soldiers abducted;
2. You open your eyes and a new LG has been captured;
3 soldiers shoot their own commanders;
4. Koran zealots grow into a formidable force in a matter of months;
5. Soldiers keep running away from said zealots;
6. There's total mistrust in the military
7. Soldiers shoot themselves so they aren't forced to fight against the enemy
8. Soldiers' wives and girlfriends come to their rescue.
9. Soldiers protest that they don't have equipment;
10. Soldiers are sentenced to death even though they aren't adequately equipped.

The list goes on and on.

All these things have zero to do with the proliferation of weapons. They have EVeRYTHING to do with a military that's not good enough. Your stories and gymnastics won't work, my man.

You lost this the moment you told us that your COIN op has failed. Because you now realise that, you want to get all aggro. You do have nothing to debate, yes. The horse has bolted.

Henry120:
I'm done with you.

You are mentioning Gambia and Senegal, do they have the same religious or political extremes like Nigeria?

Why did you leave out the rebellion in mali?

Let me add, in 2009, B-H led by yusuf had killed over 400 people. They didn't start murdering civilians in 2015.

They didn't go about thumbing korans in 2015 you w@nker.

Oh so now religion is the problem? Thought the problem was the flow of guns?

Now that its been shown that the flow of weapons has not affected other countries in the same way, the problem is now something else?

My friend, you can run from it from here to the moon. Your anger could even part the red sea. But you'll come back to the same thing.

The problem is with your military. That is the simple truth baba. We won't lie to you. We are all family here.

I listed 12 instances of Boko haram progress and you wang to tell me about how many people BH murdered under Yusuf? Well let's talk about that.

You were brave enough to capture and murder Yusuf in captivity. The last video of him showed him to be willing to speak, at least. There were no excuses then. Now you have a gazillion excuses from the direction of the wind to the price of rice in china? Man, BH 0.1 were a joke. They were nothing but a Koran thumping outfit. They had military formation. Now that things have gotten tough, you have stories.

Why did I leave the rebellion in Mali out? I left many countries out. But now, does Mali claim to be one of the best in Africa? Mali? Or have they accepted their haplessness and asked for help from the UN? So, this is where you need to be too? Ok, so when will you ask for help?

Accept it, my man. BH has grown in leaps and bounds under your watch. You on the other hand, have shrivelled into a joke.

overhypedsteve:
mumu, mandela was still in prison cursing and begging to be released. years after the African Titan aroused from her colonial slumber. No American or white leader visited him in prison while he ws a jail bird a nigerian leader did. But years later when he got free the prison cell of the abandoned jail bird became a tourist center for white folks to come and pay penance for the injustice they ve caused you guys. Obama even had the mind to visit that prison and confess all sort of motivational jargons.
Nigeria led south Africa not to her independence but to her true freedom. The book a long walk to freedom will never find its way into my library. Unlike other African heroes that fought in the liberation movement, nelson mandela wrote more about his perceived efforts and his personal woes than the efforts of other partners or the woes of other fellow fighters in that book, the book a long walk to freedom is dubious and ill constructed designed to immortalise a single man. Who by some stroke of luck and coincidence found himself in a favourable position with history.

How do you know what Mandela wrote about if the book will never find its way to your "library"?

How come no Nigerian hero has through some stroke of luck found himself in a similar position? You have more people and have seen everything from coups to wars, yet you have no heroes?

All this anger because we said your flag is a flag of cowards?

Well, tell us about your stories of freedom and list your heroes. You have nothing WORTH NOTING.

You led no one, least of all yourselves.

You are indeed a nation of cowards and the green and white is the flag of cowards.

Henry120:
You are a lost cause.
Imagine South-Africa falling into chaos, in the same manner as libya, what would the chaos in South-Africa do to the security of Zimbabwe or mozambique battling a rebellion in their own country?
COIN is new to the Nigerian military, at no point did the military claim it was experienced in COIN, I don't know what you're blabbing on about.
Boko-haram has achieved no progress. Reporting on an attack on a remote base, while scores of insurgents were taken out, is like over-exagerating the importance of a tricycle when same person has a rolls-royce.

The lost cause here is the Nigerian military.

Boko haram progress to date:

1. Forced the nigerian military from COIN to conventional.
2. Grew from Koran thumbing jokers to fearsome killers.
3. Grew from jokers to holders of territory in nigeria.
4. Had the nigerian government spending billions to fund an internal war.
5. Had the nigerian military killing its own soldiers.
6. Had the nigerian political elite under immense pressure with questions from the public.
7. Planted chaos.
8. They EXIST still.
9. Captured bases.
10. Exposed the military's cowardice and lack of organisation.
11. Has already upset this years vote in the borno north.

... The list goes on and on.

You've failed to stop them, my man. You've failed.

COIN is now new? You are no longer "experts"?

Libya's insecurity has not affected Senegal for example. It has not affected The Gambia. It has not affected other countries in the same way that it has affected Nigeria. Please bra, the issue lies with your military, which has been utterly embarrassing.

overhypedsteve:
yea i hyped him up cus y'all believe that if not for him your silly military enthusiast a55 would have been plowing a white mans farm land or working the mines of Kimberly. Mandela sat in prison writing garbage on his prison cell wall and smelling his own pi55 and sh1t, while the foreign ministers of other African countries led by Nigeria were pushing for his freedom and the freedom of the remaining bushmen in south Africa( yea the whites literally called you guys bushmen. The whites who you now call your partners ) while Britain was still debating joining the apartheid movement due to her investments in the Boers controlled mines of south Africa and her desire to stand by the terms of the 1910 act of union ( a unification bill that gave administrative power to the boers, banned the blacks from political participation and alienated them from membership in any political organisation.). The uncelebrated African " partners" were busy placing sanctions and trade restrictions on the apartheid regime.
we led the movement that brought out an already sick and demented mandela out of prison, and it will go down in history that your own mandela came first to Nigeria, the land of the free and proud black men. To register his appreciation. The question being put forward to you and your band of illiterate black south Africans is,
why did mandela visit Nigeria before the other so called " highly committed partner countries" why? Ask yourself, maybe mandela just got his brain damaged from inhaling the smell of his own pi55 and sh1t in prison and was unable to differentiate between his real partners and poor partners? Or maybe the old man was actually right, maybe he knew that the long walk to freedom would not be complete without his nigerian friends. Nelson waved in tears at the nigerian flag, he walked on nigerian soil and based in the nigerian sun. It wasn't a long walk to freedom without Nigeria in it.

You mean while "Oliver Tambo" led the struggle?

No young lion even knew of the very existence of nigeria's leader's but the young Lions sang:

"Siyaya eLusaka"

No one sang "Siyaya eLagos".

Nigeria couldn't even free itself from military rule. Let alone freeing others. How many countries did Mandela visit?

Apartheid fell because of two things:

1. Sanctions and
2. Internal unrest.

Nigeria doesn't feature there or anywhere at all.

You hyped Mandela up because you wish for Nigeria to be associated with him. But Sorry baba, you aren't top mind when South africans think of countries that helped.

Nigeria has no stories of freedom anyway. No heroes. All countries that have a firm identity today have stories of freedom. Countries that value who they are fought for who they are. From Europe to AmericA to Africa. Nigeria is not on the list.

That's why you're after the heroes of other nations.

GreenandGold:
^^ It's plain to see, you can't change me because I'm a barber for life...
hahahaha

GreenandGold:
Uma kungekho'mali kuvele kube mnyama #Nedbank advert

Haha Mangekh'imali uzopaka, uzopaka.
Mangekh'imali you're just another number!

mzilakazi:
Satellites, Virodin which almost cured AIDS, Robots, and many others. I just don't have time to go on and on. Besides 15 minutes is too long, UN currently has a system which can detect the EV in just few seconds. It is just a waste of time and energy. Nigerians are very slow.

Heart transplants, CT/CAT Scans, APS therapy, Smartlock safety syringe among others.

And the clincher:

1st pic - Eko Atlantic
2nd Pick - Dolosse, a South African invention

GreenandGold:
Indlala ibanga ulaka

Hahaha kunzima!

GreenandGold:
Don't shout.... we know, you didn't cut anyone's hair today..... lala ngexeba, indlala ibhokile

Why is he shouting vele?

GreenandGold:
While making a mobile call via MTN waiting to withdraw some cash on a Stanbik Bank ATM which he will use to buy his grocery at Shoprite.

And you know what's sad? Ken Saro-Wiwa was fighting against Nigerian elite-Foreign exploitation, against leaders and companies like Shell. But they decided to kill him. He would have set a precedent had he lived and succeeded. A precedent that would've meant that Nigerians aren't under the ownership of South Africans today.

GreenandGold:
While making a mobile call via MTN waiting to withdraw some cash on a Stanbik Bank ATM which he will use to buy his grocery at Shoprite.

And in future, while driving a Nissan car made under the direction of Nissan SA and financed by SA banks.

kgr28:
Dawg how can a country of smart people produce crude oil( by foreign firms) and import ready made patrol/fuel. kanthi how many refinaries does nigeria have

How? Like this, among other things:

http://www.punchng.com/business/business-economy/refineries-operated-at-10-5-capacity-in-june-nnpc/

GreenandGold:
[size=16pt] Then he sanctioned Abacha and asked the world to do.... today you're free to walk around Lagos and Abuja because of Nelson Mandela. [/size]

They are also free to walk the Palms mall and to watch MTV Base on DSTV.

mzilakazi:
Look at this black pot calling the kettle black. Nigeria is just as worse in AIDS stats as South Africa. Your AIDS stats can only be accounted to only 20% of your population and the other 80% remain unknown. You have the largest population of HIV positive infants, yet you play innocent as if you are free from disease. Bwahahahaha…

Except AIDS kills more Nigerians.

kgr28:
Is that it, subsidy? you were actually fighting to get FREE fuel? is that a neccessiy?

Total DEPENDENCE on the state for fuel consumption. And this is a crude producing nation. They raised hell to have their reliance on the state continued.

iterator24:
what's this one saying?

Not only do you tell people to google things you yourself don't understand. You also cannot read.

Your question shows that you either cannot read or don't know what the fuel subsidy is or both. All three possibilities a shocker.

iterator24:
Google the key words ' fuel susidy protest ' [amongst others] and stop being ignorant like your fore fathers.. you and the dimwits that liked your baseless post

You mean the protest where the citizens of a crude producing country were protesting because they wanted to continue to DEPEND on the state for their fuel consumption?

They hated being told to be independent and to find their own consumption?

That protest? Ok.

kgr28:
Have you ever heard of industrial action or any kind strike by nigerians fighting for their rights and basic neccessities in nigeria?? smart people of nigeria are fvcked by their 60+ years of black gov.

Preach!

mzilakazi:
Mandela liberated you from dictators, so that today you can walk the streets free from abuse from government forces.


Pretoria is not white.

When they were killing Ken Saro-wiwa, Nigerians were helpless. It took Mandela to speak out.

Talk about walking the streets, they now walk the malls that we gave them.

agaugust:
Nigerian community in South Africa includes all major tribes not only Igbo.

Did your embassy stamp visas on Biafran passports or Nigerian passports?

You won't use your head before you post comment, then when people laugh at your foolishness you say it's an insult.

How old are you? 16 ?

Who spoke about Igbos in south africa? Show me that or accept that you should be insulted and called retard3d. Looks like you're the one who doesn't use their heads before you posts. You're hearing things in your own head, it looks like.

And then, while you are busy with that (ie. Showing that you're not retard3d), Igbos deported in nigeria --->

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/deportation-igbos-fashola-tenders-unreserved-apology/

agaugust:
Nigerians were ruling Nigerians, military or civilian government, Nigerians were ruling Nigerians with equal rights for all citizens and no racism or apartheid where a Zulu man CANNOT enter a bus in Pretoria because a white man is inside the same public bus.
You are alive today because you never did swim on white people's beach, you would have been eaten by Boer police dogs in your own fatherland

1 coup
2 attempted coups
Delta insurgency
Boko haram
Civil war
Military rule

Does this look like "equal rights"?

agaugust:
Biafra died 45 years ago, show me how South African support for Biafra means you were helping Nigeria, then you will know why you deserve to be insulted for poor logic and conflicting presentation. Mumu

History never dies. Otherwise people should stop talking about the world wars and such.

Fact is the picture below says it all. Loooooong before apartheid it happened. And after apartheid, we gave you companies and industries.

And Igbos today are still being deported within Nigeria. They leave nigeria in droves for lack of a sense of belonging. The Biafran war never left.

overhypedsteve:
no. Your overhyped mandela is a scam

The same Mandela introduced by none other than you into the discussion today. The same Mandela you thought could be used to explain why your flag of cowards should be respected.

Seems you're the one who hyped Mandela up today, my friend.

agaugust:
Your Wikipedia image shows South Africa morally supporting Biafra against Nigeria....you call that an act of helping Nigeria by supporting rebellion to divide Nigeria into two ?

You drink urine with your pap this morning?

Where does it say "morally supporting nigeria" in the picture?

The picture made no sense to you a second ago, so where did you read that?

So, not only do you not know your own history, you also cannot make sense of written text and see what's not there.

And you're the one hurling insults?

And anyone helping apartheid was helping a rebellion. So, how is your post smart?

Is insults all you can do?

GreenandGold:
Lol... idi0t

We're racking money in your country via MTN, Shoprite, Multichoice etc....

We still have your arms money (whatever change there is after Christmas shopping)

Staggering millions baba.

iterator24:
you posted a picture that doesnt make sense and your brain keeps farting..na wa o

In other words, your own history is lost to you. And as a result, your best response to things you don't know (ie. Your own history) is to hurl benign insults.

Henry120:
There has to be something really, really wrong with you.

There was/has/ continues to be a proliferation of SALW's in Africa, but was there during that time( conflicts in liberia) a collapse of one of Africa's largest military power, with the inflow of western arms, and the continued inflow of arms from Qatar, Turkey, Egypt and the UAE into it?

You think we have seen this much proliferation in the modern history of Africa.......... if you actually do think so, you need to seek the help of a mental health physician.

Nigeria's COIN efforts are on course, there is no magic wand for COIN. The media has to be called into question as to why they continue to dwell on the negatives of this progressive effort. What is the actual motive of the piper, after all the noise, they packed up and left Nigeria without a pip.

If your government could secure your borders, you wouldn't need to transfer your Rhinos to bostwana.

If a base is overrun in the middle of nowhere, it actually isn't news. The fact is actual progress is constantly been made on the ground.

If there was a magic wand for COIN, NATO wouldn't need to spend 13 years in afghanistan with virtually no progress to show.

No, my friend. There is something wrong with YOUR military.

There has been and will continue to be a proliferation of weapons in that region.

Are you telling us that you do not and have not and are not capable of having your destiny in your own hands?

You cannot ever defeat Boko Haram until the bad people make it stop with raining weapons down on the region?

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

So now, shall we add this to your list of escudos as to why you can't deal with BH? Talking Bkut progress. It is Boko Haram that has achieved progress. Remember where they started? See where they are now. Your own situation has deteriorated.

Listen, Henry...Nigeria never knew anything about COIN.

You yourself told us that you are facing a semi-conventional war in places. It's NO LONGER COIN, you said. Your own words. Those words, coupled with the above, paint the picture of a clueless land that was never in control.

mzilakazi:
An excerpt from wikipedia.
The Mandela -led ANC had been seeking to
help resolve the political crisis in Nigeria since
1993 following the annulment of the Nigerian
elections in June 1993. In June 1994 Nigeria's
military ruler, General Sani Abacha arrested
and sentenced for execution 40 political
opponents including former Nigerian head of
state Olusegun Obasanjo as well as Chief
Moshood Abiola . Mandela sent Archbishop
Desmond Tutu and then Deputy President
Thabo Mbeki on successive missions to
Nigeria to lobby for the release of Obasanjo,
Abiola and nine others.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria-South_Africa_relations
We helped your arse out of military rule, so you should leak the shoes of every South African you meet. They are your masters.

Not only that, SA helped Nigeria out of their mall-less, car industry-less and DStV-less situation.

But wait...there's more....

Long, long before apartheid...

Henry120:
How does Sahara from lagos know what happened? It is a Sahara influenced lie.
Does Sahara report for the army, are they now the mouthpiece of the army?

That's a first! The year 2015 brings surprises. From today onwards, we should no longer read newspapers or watch the news unless the reporters can prove that they were personally there.

Henry, you are not a reporter. You were not there. So, back up your posts, instead of throwing around statements you can't support.

How do YOU know that the female soldiers were not abducted?

YOU DON'T KNOW, HENRY. You don't know, my friend.

You have no basis for saying Sahara are wrong. None whatsoever.

Henry120:
Another saharareporters B.S, no female soldiers were kidnapped. The base was abandoned by men.

How do YOU know what happened? Why should we take your word? It's not just Sahara anyway that's reporting the story. Besides, if soldiers are unaccounted for, they are unaccounted for.

Even the commander is unaccounted for.