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Okay guys, let's hold our own very first poll here. We've had plenty of the back and forth's here.

If you think Trump will win, click LIKE.
If you think Biden will win, click SHARE.

This is strictly for the viewers on this thread.
I purposely set like for Trump because i think he has "shy" supporters and will feel better anonymously liking than sharing.

BikeMan:
We are pursuing this game and Lampard really brought in his boys?

#LampardFvckingOut

Cool your jets. It's not really a bad decision.

Red card fit dey this match.

Poor decision by werner

We too like to dey go back.

Exonerate1:
I prefer not to speak.

the problem with var is it's inconsistency.

TalabiAudu:
We need a good tactician to bring out the best in these players

There is no need for this now. We are still adapting. The team is still gelling. We have to be patient.

Nice first half.

If mendy does improve in his distribution, he will be a phenomenal goalkeeper for us.
Nice covering so far.

Another nice save from Mandy. Now we have a keeper.

Na now we get keeper.

Why kante like to dey go back?

I hope una don ready for the trashing wey go sup here today.

At least, thank God mount no start.

Sulele04:
CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT DIED DURING THE LEKKI MASSACRE DIED IN VAIN.
MY GRANDFATHER USED TO TELL ME " SULELE NEVER JOIN A PROTEST, INFACT NEVER RISK YOUR LIFE FOR THE COUNTRY CALLED NIGERIA WHY: BECAUSE NIGERIA WAS NEVER ONE, IS NEVER ONE AND CAN NEVER BE ONE " NOW I KNOW WHY.

IMAGINE ME DIEING FOR NIGERIA, WHILE SOMEBODY LIKE DONJ IS STILL ALIVE AND YOU STILL THINK NIGERIA WILL MOVE FOWARD.

NIGERIA IS SUFFERING OF NEO-COLONALISM FROM BRITAIN (THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WE ARE NOT MOVING FOWARD, AT LEAST 70% OF OUR ANNUAL REVENUE IS GOING TO BRITAIN) AND THESE CURRENT SET OF LEADERS CAN NOT GO AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY ARE ENJOYING PRIVILEDGES IN UK.
I HAD HOPED THE LEKKI-TOLL GATE KILLING WOULD SPARK THE REVOLUTION WE NEED, BUT I GUESS PMB PAID AGENTS HAD OTHER PROPAGANDA PLANS.
ONE NIGERIA

SULELE, WHY ARE WE SHOUTING??

That's it then, apparently Ibime is now a psychopathic, attention seeking, gay fool.
Awon wereys.
It's very unfortunate that grown men can't detach their emotions to make intellectual assessments and would see any opposing view as being "heartless".

Ibime is not saying people did not die. He's even being generous with the casualty numbers.
He's simply stating that there is no evidence that this was premeditated and that bodies were carried away. There simply isn't enough evidence for this.

How exactly is this difficult to understand??

If you are against what we are saying, provide irrefutable evidence.

kofimoses:
You are indeed a very brilliant fellow notwithstanding the abuses you are receiving. This post was indeed brilliant. I do support most of your positions especially on the American politics section but i do not support your current position. I strongly disagree with you.

I think that perhaps you haven't adequately researched on this issue before taking your stand. You also seem to support the status quo of the situation in your country.

Many African countries have been yearning for a political revolution to take place. I do think that this is the beginning of that. If Nigeria is successful in this, other countries will follow suit. You will have to be a selfish person who perhaps things are working out for who doesn't see the need for change but that is selfish coming from someone who prides himself on intellectualism (especially in the American politics section).

Please watch this clip below and see for yourself all the evidence you need. I really disagree with you on this. Take it from someone who really admires your contributions there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/12dddd3356/status/1319328078502498305

Well, it is very much within your purview to disagree with me. We can't agree on everything.
I am not disputing that people might have died. I am just against the twisting of facts for a negative agenda.

Do you agree that there was propaganda in full swing?

Ibime:
I believe issues have to be handled with sensitivity when lives have been lost.

Armed forces in civilised societies disperse protestors with batons, water cannon, teargas, dispersal grenades and massive arrests. If things get bad, they bring out rubber bullets or blanks.

In Africa, our armed forces tend to disperse a persistent crowd by shooting in the air to scare them away. If they refuse to run, they will shoot a handful of people at the front to terrify the crowd into running, then continue shooting in the air till everyone has cleared out. This is what happened at Lekki.

In 1995, my secondary school hired PH Liberation stadium for our Interhouse sports. Sometime during the program, one stand in the stadium filled up with Elekahia boys from the local neighbourhood. After the program, these boys started intimidating students at the gate to give up possessions. To disperse the boys, Police started shooting in the air but some boys were acting brave and refusing to scamper, that's when Police turned their gun horizontal and fired 3 or 4 shots at the boys and one boy called Owē was killed which made the rest to scamper.

This is the African way of crowd control.

These sorts of incidents happen a lot in rugged hoods in Nigeria, but if you try that sort of stuff in Lekki, you will be held to account.

Depending on what side of the debate you choose to believe, somewhere between 2 (SanwoOlu) and 12 bodies (initial reports) were dropped at Lekki. DJSwitch video mentioned 7 people laying down which is somewhere inbetween. I don't know if Donjazet is railing against the inflated early figures such as 49 that were flying around social media in the early days but nobody is suggesting 49 people were killed.

The number 2 to 12 is consistent with Nigerian Armed forces approach of shooting a handful to shots into the crowd to get people running and then shooting into the air to keep them running. One man with a machine gun will claim 30 bodies in 30 seconds as we have seen in many mass murder incidents around the world. I think all these bad blood in the last few days is simply people trying to take extreme positions of either denying or overplaying the reality of what happened. The above I just described is what I see as having happened.

I agree with everything you've said. You reinforced my points for me.

I don't think anybody denies the shooting that took place and by extension a possible casualty that might have happened.

I am railing against the false premises and narratives that arose. One which has achieved it's desired result of further violence, murders, looting and anarchy.

As you've rightly pointed out, it's hardly believable that the carnage the military men meted out was premeditated. It was a costly mistake. However, some unscrupulous anarchists decided to hijack the unfortunate incident to pursue their aggressive agendas. Over inflating the possible number of casualties. Terming it a massacre comparable with Tiananmen square. Pushing several living innocent people's pictures as victims. Amplifying the massive fake news.
I mean that is by literal definition PROPAGANDA.

I am just against the massive misinformation campaign and propaganda that ensued. One which became highly potent and effective. One which we are now witnessing the deleterious effects of.
i hate that a lot of Nigerians have been sucked into this propaganda vaccum and can't come to terms over how they were deceived.

chidekings:
sir he is from my village,we have been preparing to bring his corpse home for burial even before this incident

Wait a minute, who are you talking about?

airmark:
Where is your video evidence that he was killed in an accident?

Let me address this once and for all.
Dear airhead, please pray tell, why would i possibly lie about the death of my sister and my niece and nephew?? What could possibly be my motivation?

Hey everyone, meet my fellow "heartless gay idiotic psychopath".

ivolt:
“It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain.

Note the title, this topic is not about whether there was shooting at the scene, it is to expose the unproven massacre narrative that have plunged many states into total or partial anarchy.

Some anarchists protest organizers grew impatient, just like Stalin, they needed a plausible event that will shake the world. And voila, we had the "Lekki massacre".

The international community condemned the alleged "massacre" in Lekki based on unverified tweets from extremist protesters. After basking in the euphoria of being seen as human right activists, many of these tweeters have gone underground.

These celebrities are now in a quandary. Unlike the illiterate mass in Nigeria who swallows everything they see on Facebook, serious organisations have been demanding for concrete evidence of a massacre but nothing have come up yet. You would expect that those who wants to destroy the country will provide the definitive proof for hundreds of dead at Lekki tollgate. Till now, nothing except some fake pictures. But their aim was achieved destruction of lives and properties.

Despite having various online sessions to deliberate and collect evidence, none of this massacre tweeters could provide one, not even one person who died via the shooting.

Now that they have been exposed for telling unfounded story, they have turned their attention to full propaganda. What they did next is to display bullet casings and some wounded people as evidence of a "massacre". You would have been seen such videos making rounds. This also didn't stick with critical thinkers because it doesn't prove a massacre.

In order for the hoaxers not to lose face, their next line of deceit is to start collecting random missing people's picture as the "missing dead" in Lekki because that is a more believable lie and difficult to debunk.

One of those missing pictures being paraded as Lekki victims happens to be a man declared missing in Kogi about one month ago! I won't be surprised if they start recruiting and coaching new actors to narrate the "massacre".

While these was going on, the smarter ones among these anarchist who don't want to be seen as irrational have been revising down their number of deaths from 100 to 78 to 15 to 12 and 4 and even 1. But they are carefully insisting on calling even 1 death unrelated to gun fire a "massacre". Words have meaning, so is massacre.

We have seen the wounded in the hospital, guess what?
Their body was not riddled with tissue penetrating bullets as we would expect from the tales told about soldiers firing live bullets directly into a crowd.

The headlines has also been shifting from Genocide to Massacre and now Shootings as reality dawns on many commentators.

Even in repressive regimes where the government controls all news and have deathly penalties such as Syria, hard evidence of a real "massacre" were presented when it happened.

But be warned, if you raise this issue and ask for evidence among your friends or colleagues they are going to hate you for challenging their irrational beliefs and even call you a government agent even when some of them passionately campaigned to install the current government in 2015. They have
The Lekki tales has broken a record. It is the first "massacre" in world history where nobody died from direct fire from soldiers.

Until we see real evidence of a massacre, this remains a hoax. This fake news should stop with you.

airmark:
This boy is mad.

So the Governor that first claimed that no life was lost but later confirmed that lives were lost was also on the so-called propaganda train.

Well, so far the governor has proven to be inconsistent with the truth and deliberately opening the door to wild speculations so he's not exactly the arbiter of truth here.
Likewise the DJ switch video you share.

Mind you, my mind is not made up that nobody died, I just want proof of this, I don't think it's too far fetched to ask where the deceased victims currently are or exactly how many they are or who they are.

I really hate the fact that mass hysteria and subsequent anarchism was built upon false premises and narratives.

I do think that soldiers in their bid to disperse the crowd and enact the curfew went rogue and released live fire into the air in the said bid. Of course this was a terrible thing to do, but there is no sufficient reason right now to believe that this was premeditated. I think it was an inexcusable action carried out in the heat of the moment.

One which propagandists used as a perfect opportunity to further heat the polity, infuse rage into the psych of the masses and induce anarchy. A tactic which has worked beautifully. I'm very sorry to say this but 2 people dead is by no means a "massacre", literally. People who used that word to incite anger knew what they were looking for.

Of course, my own rationalization may very well be rubbish and unfounded but that is the beauty of keeping an open mind and not being locked into a particular narrative especially with very little information and evidence.

If you want people to believe that innocent people did die. Bring an irrefutable evidence of this. Not the circumstantial evidence you are proffering, but the live video you all claim to have seen. Again, not anecdotes, not personal unverified stories. Videos portraying the "massacre".

SyIvalord:
This Donjazet guy is just trolling people and y'all are playing right into his hands. He is severely deficient on attention and he is using this thread to farm for attention.

I mean, why else is he constantly vomiting bullocks here and ensuring that his viewpoint is as annoying and retarded as possible?

I was smirking while reading this post.
There is nothing i haven't been called today simply for proffering my own truth. By now you must have realized I'm now immune to the name-calling.

I pride myself on being the bold, courageous and firm arbiter of logic. I say what others might be scared of saying despite thinking because of the fear of the mob and the herd.
I could care less about what people here think of me so far as my message is passed. My history should tell you that.
Let me give you a short example to elucidate my stance.

A woman who is having difficulty bearing children in her marriage visits both her pastor and a gynecologist for solutions to her problems. Her pastor gives her anointing oil and some bullet prayer points, while her gynecologist performs a medical procedure and at last, she gives birth to a child. Then she goes to the church and gives her testimony. She tells the congregation of how the pastor prayed for her and rubbed her belly and gave her anointing oil and how God has now "blessed" her with a child. She makes absolutely no mention of the medical procedures undergone.

Now she has triggered a mass delusion. Every person of faith there now believes that anointing oil can make one pregnant.
Now imagine a sole dissenting voice standing up to challenge the mass delusion, to probe for real evidence of the process that has triggered the mass delusion.
Of course, the individual who is now the black sheep amongst the group becomes the sacrificial lamb on the alter of alternative facts.

The individual is called a psychopath, an attention seeker, a gay fool, a devil, an idiot, a thing, a heartless bastard and more and more and more.

At that point, the individual is faced with pushing on with his effort to break the mass delusion and seek the truth or to quietly retreat into his shell.
Well, it's left for you to figure out what he does next, knowing the individual in question.

gensteejay:
If I tell you to quote where I said the highlighted, I know you will start saying tripe as usual.

Go through Otem's comments on human life, especially on the recent Lekki massacre, and compare them with your senseless drivel that can only come from a cold, dark soul without any value for human lives.

I don't think you even read the gibberish you've been typing here at all.

Even when Sanwo Olu already confirmed 2 people died from the incident and with the glaring videos showing multiple people were killed and multiple injuries sustained, you still continue to say no one was killed.

It's glaring there are psychopaths on this thread with murderous instincts.

This is the sort of madness a person with nihilistic tendencies shows, thinking life has no purpose or meaning, one reason why nihilism is a dangerous philosophy in life (this is not directed to nihilist, please).

Stop typing rubbish!! So it is nihilistic for me to continue to hope that no life was lost until i see a foolproof evidence.

I must confess i am a bit disappointed with you because for all your otem madness, you have shown a willingness to rise above the fray, separate yourself from a herd mentality and mass hysteria and find your truth.

Please do show me a strong evidence that a life was lost, not anectodes. Not stories from a personal point of view of unknown entities but actual videos of people being KILLED at lekki.
Secondly, I believe you know the meaning of the word, massacre. Do you think that what took place was a massacre? Do you think the subsequent response of anarchism was justified?


For a minute, I want you to put yourself in the shoe of the victims of the propaganda and misinformation.
Try to imagine waking up one morning and your picture is all over the globe as a dead victim! Try to imagine putting yourself in those people's shoes.
Also consider those who were mislead by all these misinformation by anarchists in order to play with people's emotions and intensify their rage.

My guy, my grouse with this issue is that i myself have previously been a perpetrator and victim of misinformation on this very thread and I have learnt my lessons. Secondly, I hunger for a return to calm and an end to all the wanton violence.

Tell me how exactly again the logic holds up, that he who is optimistic about people being alive is "nihilistic" or "heartless" while those who have fallen victim to propaganda and do believe strongly that innocent people are dead despite insufficient evidence are the "good" ones?

It's a pity and quite frankly a shame you've let yourself be emotionally manipulated and sucked into a propaganda echo chamber.

gensteejay:
This is atrocious! Psychopathy in full display!

Perhaps a littleee.. less psychopathic than believing Gods are held in cages by otem.

Just a little less.

BlueRayDick:
As in, I can only imagine how messed up his life is. Sometimes I feel pity for the idiot, but trust me today is not one of those days.

Somebody just needs to tell the attention-deficient pric.k to get his life fixed. I'm done with that already. I will go back to ignoring his mentions and snide remarks like I've been doing.

Of course, idiot. you would choose to be behind your keyboard cheering anarchists on and hoping for more deaths to fuel your black soul but wouldn't dare go out and face the danger. keyboard warrior that is a coward.

A400:
He's an absolute tool. I now see why everybody shits on him on this thread

I suspected he might be an idiot the first day I saw him arguing with nihilist about life in a country he's never been to before.

Faux contrarian takes sprinkle with a lirru verbose nonsense. A complete blockhead

This fool keeps asking for dead bodies. I ask, does he want to masturbate with it or why is this anxiousness to see bullet ridden corpses.
What really is this idiots argument? Did multiple people not get shot? Did multiple people not die?

My friend, shut the fuck_up. Everyone knows that you are actually happy lives have been lost so far.
You are an idiot. You possess the mind of an anarchist and you don't care whose blood is shed as far as it's not yours.

When myself and other reasonable person here called for an end to the protests, foreseeing a predictable pattern of break down of law and order and the subsequent loss of lives, you were spewing trash as the mentally retarded_ imp you are and kept attacking those against the protest.

Finally The anarchy which was predicted would happen did happen and instead of you to be optimistic and hope for the best outcome, you joined others in pushing a false narrative despite being warned because you want to feed your blood lust.
Awon keyboard warrior.

Why don't you imbecile_ go out into the street and risk your life the way you want others to do.
Jobless big fool that keeps masturbating to the news of people's death.

I don't blame you. It's because of your poverty ridden life you think others would want to risk their lives for nothing. Oloshi.

BlueRayDick:
Donjazet I will be frank with you here, u seriously need to have Ur head checked. I don't know what it is, but there is something crucial missing in Ur cranium

If Ur head was working at least to half of its capacity, u would at least have checked the link I posted that showed DJSwitch who was on ground that day and made the live video over 100k people watched.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGr6VhEAi2z/?igshid=njrvngm7t41s
Now the problem is its not just Ur head that is messed up, Ur life as a whole is messed up too. A person without a messed up life would watch the video see DJswitch sharing details of the unfortunate incident and be sober.

A person whose humanity has not left him would not hear her mention counting 7 people dead before her live video went off and a total of 15 later...and yet still take the fooolish stand u've maintained like a fool u've shown urself to be.
I am not an idiot like u who argues about everything, that's why I've deliberately ignored Ur snide remarks and allowed u alone to wallow in Ur idiocy.
Let it be known that for all the English u speak, u are a foool.....a big one at that.

Again, anecdotal evidence. Evidence that is not foolproof.

I rather be "an optimistic big fool that speaks big english", an idiot that hopes that nobody was killed than be a heartless moron_ with a black soul that hopes and wishes innocent people were killed.

Segedinho:
I shock... i just recheck the moniker.
Na d hell part shock ne pass cos the vibration and seriousness just too high

I gats talk una in the language una understand.

madrid5:
the way dem dey happy for guardian and can,dem say he lose heavy for early voting

Anything can still happen, but it's really looking good for the democrats right now. They need to sustain the momentum.

A400:
They are the same people that believe snakes swallowed 36m

I just hope that these people wicked enough to not believe this massacre happened are not extended that same wickedness in their time of distress.

We saw bullets being taken out of people. We saw human beings breathing their last. Naah some of these guys are demonic

Such a terrible thing to say. I thought you were wise. I didn't know you were this heartless and barbaric.
Why in God's name would you wish death upon people?
Why would you allow your heart to believe that your fellow citizens are dead?? I can't comprehend this! Not only are you stupid, you are heartless and I hope you see the hottest part of hell.

BlueRayDick:
I'm not bothered if people argue for days trying to show their superior knowledge on a subject matter, but trying to trivialize an incident that led to loss of lives of fellow humans irrespective of you different view points.....mehn, that shiiit requires some high level of being heartless. But it is well sha

You are a very wicked and heartless soul for wishing for death where there might not be any.
I certainly hope you never encounter a situation where by people carry rumours that your family members are dead. I won't wish such fate befall you.

Such a heartless and black soul.

wman:
This guy is still saying that nobody was killed. He's saying that people were only injured.

Show me the people that were killed. Give me a name.
Yes, we all know that some rogue military men fired their guns carelessly but was there a "massacre"? Do you know the meaning of that word and it's implication?

Both of us can now see the dangerous response such narrative bore. Such strategically amplified misinformation has now led to the destruction of lekki and it's environs, is that right?
is it right for the public to be misled?