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Raumdeuter you should know that when people resort to whataboutism, they are losing that argument. It's a common method of deflection. What's the connection between jorginho and Hummel's? Classic deflection.

You're falling for the trap.

Ibime:
Didn't even notice. Only sensitive niggas get riled up by the language used on this section which is even tongue in cheek

Tongue in cheek my as*.
You have consistently berated popiziano as the most foolish poster on this forum.
You consistently use abhorrent homophobic slurs on swiz123, calling him a trannie.
On multiple occasions you've insulted my intelligence.
You've also consistently insulted lordfalcao.

Are you seeing what I'm seeing?? Tongue in cheek indeed! You are always very rude when disagreeing with someone's opinion. It has always been a pattern for you.

I thought after we spoke about this the last time, we wouldn't go down this road again only for you to resume.

You guys shouldn't stress yourselves.
Just know that the haters are an absolute minority. A powerless vocal minority. They can only Keep hating and wailing endlessly.

just always remember. ABSOLUTE MINORITY.

pkasso:
I understand no player is perfect and they all have their limiations. But in Jorginho's case, his limitations are glaring and could cause serious problems for the team if ignored, hence the reason for his managers bending backwards to cover these deficiences.

I'm not too particular about his lack of pace but his lack of press-resistance and progressive passing is a big issue for me. He is a flat-track bully controller who only shows up when lesser-talented opposition sit back but disappears in the tough matches when things get hot in the middle of the park. His defensive work rate has improved but this is more down to Tuchel's system than any work on his part. He still can't play in a 2-man midfield without having 3 CBs behind him.

This is a myth you've let yourself believe, unfortunately.
Jorginho played against mancity, Tottenham, realmadrid, Liverpool, ATM, Porto etc and came out of tops in almost all of them with Chelsea out possessing all of them bar mancity.

Does any opposition get stronger than these?
You've really bought into that whack fallacy that jorginho is not press-resistant. HE IS.
He does break between the lines by finding pockets of space to evade pressure and pass the ball.

Furthermore, if all your coaches are "bending down backwards" to cover for you, what does it say about the value of that player?? Doesn't that highlight his absolute importance to the team?
Don't let minority opinions fool you. A whole lot of us appreciate the intelligence and genius of jorginho. That's why he's the European footballer of the year and 3rd place overall best in the world.

User09:
Imagine putting up an article by Sebastien on Jorginho - A well known hater of Jorginho

The difference however between him and Ibime however is that he took his L and of course had a change in opinion when performances improved.

Secondly if you had read the comments in the article; You would have seen how he was roasted alongside some of his daft opinions.

Anyway, there's no point having this endless debate. It's gone on too long and both sides believe what they believe

Classic hypocrisy and double standards. I remember when I posted some excerpts from a journalist who highlighted jorginho's role and importance to the team and why he deserves he was voted for the balondor. He rushed immediately to say it's biased positively towards jorginho.
But posting articles from the ibimes of the Chelsea fan base is objective, I guess.

patrickmuf:
You guys said Hojbjerg 8s a tout hence the reason Ibime brought out his passing stat to highlight he is not all about brawn but brains too yet you guys are totally missing his motive or rather deliberately misrepresenting his intent in a bid to praise Jorg for his passing.

Horjberg is the DM for a team that conceded more than 50 goals last year.
If that's not a massive failure of duty, I don't know what is?
On the other hand, jorginho is a DM for team that had one of the best defensive records.
Likewise rodri also being in a team that currently has the best defense in the league.

Please make it make sense.

You are advocating for a DM who is failing massively in his team such that the fans are up in arms against the player while also criticizing your own DM who is doing well in making your team defensively solid and being universally appluded and showered with accolades.
Please make it make sense.

swiz123:
Don't mind that guy... Defending someone who can't make a 3 post argument without making snide remarks and dishing out plain insults.

I tire. You need to see my anger at reading that very stupid post.
As if he has not being seeing all the jabs Ibime has been throwing. Ibime is one of the rudest and most insulting poster here. He was insulting lordfalcao first before he started insulting me when I made my points.
So for amoto94 to have selective amnesia and point me out is the height of stupidity. Sheeple must follow their leader sha.

BlueMann:
Senior men, celebrate with me. It's my birthday today.

Thankful for being alive.

You know I regard you as the best Chelsea fan here. cheers.

pkasso:
Bro, no be only you As in. . Both sides actually have strong points but the extreme views they both hold on the topic makes its hard to make a case for either. Ibime sees nothing good in Jorginho while Don J thinks he's the best thing to happen to Chelsea's midfield The truth is somewhere in the middle, and it is while Jorginho is not a bad player, he is nowhere near world-class. He does the basics well enough but there is nothing in his game that makes him elite.

This is wrong, I have always conceded that jorginho has certain weaknesses. His pace is a weakness but many elite DM's also have this problem but they have other attributes that more than makes up for this. He's a very intelligent player.
And moreso he has a bonus attribute, just like pirlo and Xabi alonso were freekick specialist, jorginho is a penalty specialist. That's an added bonus of his game that has enabled him become one of the highest scoring DM's of the game.

Amoto94:
Donjazet there is a post of yours were you referenced the ethnicity and location of Ibime to dismiss his opinion I think that's very low of you and reeks of ethnic chauvinism. What has his ethnicity and location got to do with whether Hojbjerg is better than Jorginho or not?

This is what I hate about some of you here. The double standards. You didn't see the jabs and insult Ibime also threw at me first abi??
When he insults me, it's all fun and okay, when I throw back, it's me stooping low. Please face front with your stupid bias. Mtchew

lordfalcao:
ike gwuru. Wetin eye dy see here

E weak me bro. People just hating for no reason.
I tire.

lordfalcao:
Even in the euro’s Jorginho was averaging 90% passing accuracy every game and his a bad passer..

Toh

I keep screaming, DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR. They are just noisemaking haters.

Know this sha, as i stated earlier. They are just but a tiny minority of the Chelsea fan base.
Vast majority of Chelsea fans value jorginho.
Just look below and see how indispensable and important he is for his 2 current coaches.

Someone should please help me make it make sense.

The top 2 teams in the premier league now have two functional DM's.
These same top 2 teams just played in the UCL final.

But somehow, Ibime is saying that these two DM's are not effective or productive to their teams. That they are both what he himself terms "escorts".

Out of these 2 DM's, one has gone on to become the 3rd placed Player in the world, recognized by all and sundry but somehow, someone keeps posting passing stats, the same stats this jorginho has conquered as a way to denigrate him.

Please make it make sense.

lordfalcao:
In all the matches that we struggled to win. Jorginho was the most passer..

That’s mildfield controlling by ibime logic

Ibime is suffering from delusions of grandeur.

He had just been deceiving himself. Imagine deluding yourself into thinking that you know better than the best people in a professional field. acute delusions. It's what we call ITK. I too know. Someone who knows nothing will just be making noise and forming knowledge.

Ibime:
Just like I said, you acted right on cue with no original thought of your own. Guardiola this, Guardiola that. Mortgaging your brain.

Jorginho is the second biggest fraud that Guardiola duped Chelsea board to purchase by mortgaging their brain to Guardiola. The first buggest fraud was Bakayoko that Chelsea rushed to go and purchase because Guardiola was coveting him. Go and hug your Bakayoko that Guardiola coveted. Foolish talk.

Honestly you are beginning to sound very daft.

Am I relying on only Guardiola? What about the Sarri I mentioned, what about Mancini, or Mourinho or our very own Tuchel or even the millions of professionals who voted jorginho as one of the best players?

Who do you think you are?? Which kain brain? The brain that calls modric a mediocre player? Or the top 2 DM's right now "escorts" and highlights and average player like horjberg as better when he can't protect his leaky defense?

You are full of Blunders.

YOU KNOW NOTHING.
you've been posting passing stats for weeks now when we both know that jorginho carved a niche for himself as a pass master. Now he has reinvented himself even better, being part of a team that has played in 5 finals in 4 years.

His counterpart rodri who you also term an "escort" doing the same for his team.

This is called blind arrogance. Delusions of grandeur.
If you so much believe in stats, show me kante's stats that mark him as one of the best midfielders in the last 3 years.

Ibime:
If you bring Busquet to Man City now, he will no longer be an escort but a mainstay of the Pep team. Even a Cole Palmer or another youth player will be hailed.
An escort is simply someone who can't keep up with counterattacks.
Not everyone can be lucky to play for Pep. I judge players on their attributes, not because they play for Pep.

Your takes like these is what pisses me the fuck_ of with you.

The present top 2 teams in the league posses DM's that you call "escorts".
These 2 DM's also played their role in the teams reaching the champions league final. Some even blamed the loss of mancity on Guardiola not using his DM.

Guardiola, one of the best managers in the world coverts jorginho.
Jorginho was indispensable to Sarri.
Mancini, another good coach and a premier league winner finds jorginho indispensable.
Tuchel a UCL winner and multi league winner finds jorginho indispensable.
Mourinho, also a multi league winner and one of the best coaches in the world also coverts jorginho.

All these top managers in the game see jorginho as an essential player to the game.
But Ibime, an ijaw native resident in London tells me I should take his opinion over these managers because he "watches and understands" football.
Such brazen arrogance.

You've been jumping from pillar to post.

Horjberg has been the anchor of a Tottenham team that conceded more than 50 goals this year. Cannot even qualify for champions league but you choose that brat over jorginho, because you think 8n your mind, you see stats. Show me kante's stats that show him to be one of the best midfielders as we know.
Abeg drop this your shalaye. E too plenty.

Jorginho and rodri, 2 DM's that took their teams to champions league finals and are currently the top 2 placed team in the league are "escorts", but horjtout whose team dey drink goals like kunu is your best player. oga take your time.

airmark:
Never put Mascherano among slow DMs, make thunder no fire you.

Thunder fire your papa. Olodo.

Reminds me of this meme. jumping from pillar to post.

Ibime:
If you bring Busquet to Man City now, he will no longer be an escort but a mainstay of the Pep team. Even a Cole Palmer or another youth player will be hailed.
An escort is simply someone who can't keep up with counterattacks.
Not everyone can play for Pep.

Before Rodri, Man City was on 99, 98 points back to back. After Rodri, they lost the league title, and couldn't 90 points. That's a downgrade.

The team made the man, the man didn't make the team. He even took them backward. You just felate any player in Pep team as Worlds best. If Bakayoko go there, they will still win and you will still hail him. Afterall Pep was the first manager in England to show interest in Bakayoko. Some of us watch football for what it is, you watch it for the celebrity of who Pep annoint. Rodri is a downgrade, simple.

So since Xabi alonso, mascherano, pirlo, busquet,carrick were all slow, they were useless escorts right?? Irrespective of their other contributions to their team?

Segedinho:
Someone uploaded d myriad of insults on hojberg after his display last night..
You were quick to lebel dem idiots.
But we should take same online insults on joginho from same internet just because u uploaded it abi.
You never respond to d wholescore rating bw Rice and hojberg

It's as if you don't know Ibime again.

Tottenham fans were roasting their own player after they surrendered their midfield, he said they are ignorant fools. But when the ibime's of our own fan base criticize jorginho, they are the exposed ones??
Some jokes do indeed write themselves.

Ibime:
I am responsible for what I type, not your ignorant interpretation. My criticism of Rodri has always been about his inability to deal with the counterattack, same with Busquet. Even a dog knows Rodri is a high possession player who will top passing stats. I did not know one would be discussing football here, not knowing canopy people are interpreting it out of the abundance of their ignorance.

I bet Hojberg position in the passing charts shock you sha. I don't rate touts. Technical must be there, same as physical.

Is rodri important to Guardiola or not. No need for the long talk. I've told you that every single player on this planet has various weaknesses, it's about being able to use your strengths better to overshadow the weaknesses and your other teammates complementing you.

You've called rodri an "escort". Is it not that same escort that is a mainstay of a powerful Guardiola team? Is rodri not an essential piece of Guardiola team? Why do you think Guardiola cherished jorginho sooo badly?

If guardiola had his way, jorginho would be manning his midfield today to perfect execution.

Always quick to post passing record as if it's not the jorginho that was regarded as a pass master..
Let's see his new excuse.

We know that jorginho is an excellent passer of the ball. He did this perfectly under Sarri at Napoli and even when Sarri wanted to implement his philosophy with us here.

I remember jorginho even shortly setting a record for number of passes in a match then.

Now he's game has evolved According to his managers system and instead of us to acknowledge this, this small powerless minority of the fan base keep barrelling the loudest.

Isn't it funny that the man that top the stats Ibime keeps pulling out is the same one he has been rubbishing all these while.
Ibime has always derided rodri but now that rodri is excelling for Guardiola the exact same way jorginho would also excel for Guardiola, he can't stop posting rodri's stat.

Ibime:
So he has taken Man City backwards from Fernandinho who preceded him? Effect of replacing a solid DM with an escort like rodri.

Ibime:
No Sir. I want Bayern in next round because I trust Flick to deal with your Fraudiola. I don't trust PSG to handle City. Although the thought of Rodri chasing after Mbappe does tickle my funny bone, I think City will penetrate their midfield and defence more.

Ibime:
Don't contradict yourself. Rodri is an escort to be attacked.

Segedinho:
Haven't really watch d hojberg per se..


Who was better bw hojberg vs jog last night judging 4m ur criteria

Jorginho and horjtout have gone head to head 4 times since last season and horjtout has never come out winning the midfield encounter. We've always dominated them possession wise. won 3 and drew 1. That is who Ibime thinks is better. We don't know the value of what we have until it's gone.
We have the European best player with us and a minority part of the club keeps grumbling and ranting.

Ibime:
Jogginghoe is easily dispossessed and goes hiding when the press is on. He will only show for the ball when there is no one around him, and the minute any pressure is put on, he will pass to goalkeeper or belle-face whence it came. Even many of his fans will admit he fails under the press. Big difference to Rodri or Busquet who can ride a player on their back and spin out. Jorginho goes hiding when the heat is on instead. I almost agree with popizaino when he said if Fred just focus on passing the ball back to where it came, he can replicate Jorginho. Jorginho does not have the skill required for a ball keeper. He is just an expert in moving around into pockets of space to receive ball without anyone around him and give it back to the closest man. When Spain put Rodri on him in the Euro semifinal, Jorgginghoe made 30 passes in 120 minutes of play

These are simply your own words.
Because you hate this player, you have let the few times you saw the described scenario happen make you believe that is the only essence of the player.

Myself and the larger Chelsea fan base and other top coaches believe that jorginho is an excellent midfielder that is rarely dispossessed and holds his own very well.

Jorginho does superbly under pressure 8\10 of the times.

If he wasn't doing this effectively or was error prone as you claim. All his coaches would bench him. He's not even stayed that long in the club.
He would be benched if he wasn't trusted to Carry out his role.

But here you have a situation where his coaches are obsessed with him. Sarri made sure he brought him with him and still wished for him till today. Guardiola saw him as essential to his team. Mancini of Italy does too.

Now Tuchel also does. Thrusting him in the middle for 95% of his games as a Chelsea manager.
Just what makes this jorginho indispensable, I don't know.

Ibime:
You are the spirit leads. Till tomorrow I will prefer a Fernandinho who took his team to 99 points and 98 points with a clapped out Otamendi in defence to a Rodri who can't touch 90 points so far. That's a downgrade. The lost points is in those moments of counterattack where Fernandinho kept up and a Rodri couldn't keep up. To even cut the risk, Pep tweaked his setup and has moved Cancelo into midfield and kept Kyle Walker back as spare man for footrace on counterattacks. Rodri was missing last two weeks, nothing changed. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player on the ball, ten times more trustworthy than Jogginghoe on the ball, but I don't compromise on having some pace in my DM incase the game goes the other way.

I swore I wouldn't argue this jorginho issue with you again.

I am simply contented with the fact that far more people on this thread and our fan base are happy with jorginho in our team.

Funny that you were telling lordfalcao that he was an ignorant part of the fan base when in essence. What we have are the ibime's of the fan base.
A small group of fans, an absolute minority who never appreciates their best players and always sulk and rant seeing their best players play irrespective of how good the player has performed.

Ibime:
My criteria for a good DM has never changed in 10 years.

He should be good on the ball, to receive it from his defence with his back to opponents without losing it, and progress the ball.

He should have pace to support his defenders on counterattacks and give his team confidence to play high up the pitch.

Jorginho possesses this very well. Jorginho is hardly ever dispossessed and progresses the ball forward via good passing.

As for your 2nd paragraph, busquet, pirlo, Xabi alonso, rodri, carrick, mascherano. These are all slow DM's, are they all terrible by virtue of their lack of pace?? DM's are rarely defined by their fast pace.
It always depends on their roles for the team according to the teams structure or coaches philosophy.

Jorginho excels in being the anchor of our team when in possession. He also aids in a quick transition from defense to attack. And you can see how he adapts very well.
Jorginho played as a DM for a Napoli team that accrued 86 and 91 points respectively. That's usually more than Enough points to win the league.

Last season he showed how excellent he was at adaptation by actually performing excellently in a 2 man midfield. An ever present when we won all the top coaches in the game from Guardiola, kloop, Simeone, zidane, Mourinho and yesterday conte.

Jorginho was the most CONSISTENT player in the team and has been duly recognized for his role. It's still only your arrogance that will be dwelling on stats irrespective of it's application in your team.

My one single wish is just for us to have central midfielders that score goals from the middle. Someone like a well behaved Pogba.

Segedinho:
Oga ibime

Wetin be your characteristics of a very good DM.?

As the spirit leads. Never standing one place.
This is the same person too that used to criticize rodri. That one has put him to shame since.

Havertz10:
it's funny that no one finds it absurd that Ibime is going out of his way to defend holberg, I still think that he is better than jorginho, I have watched a few spurs games and can testify that he has that xabi Alonso passing range but he isn't a Chelsea player, he is in his mid 20's + a spurs player, I doubt that we would ever sign him

So I guess the question here is what's the point? Anybody that underates him is just trolling, that guy is good but I wouldn't defend him to ibime level, because at the end of the day, Chelsea's advancement is the priority, all manners of player aggrandizement has to be done to benefit Chelsea.

Of course a superfan of a weakling like havertz would think that horjtout is better than Jorginho.

lordfalcao:
naso..

If is Jorginho you will pull out both Facebook, Twitter and Instagram post of people criticizing him.

E reach hojberg na foolish fans and na number of pass he made counts, all his press resistance, tackles and mildfield marshal control has flown through the window.. Kuku push him up to AM or cm

Honestly I'm fed up with arguing with Ibime on this. Some midfield roles like being press resistant are intangible. More so everyone knows that defenders will always have more passes than midfielders.

Again, you see that our counter pressing system doesn't emphasize possession but direct football which is why jorginho might be told not to dwell on the ball but keep it moving. This might be the key difference between jorginho's role and rodri's role despite being similar.

Again, football is not all about the stats. For instance we all know that kante is one of the best midfielders, we can see with our eyes how he makes a difference in the midfield but when you look at his stats, it reads a different story. He doesn't top any tangible metric like tackles, passing, key passes, dribbles etc. But we know he does these things very well.
Sometimes a trained eye is all you need and that is why the top coaches all value him and he jorginho is regarded as the best European player right now and the 3rd best player overall this year. He simply is one of the best at what he does.

swiz123:
Jorginho is has been paired with almighty Saul with no community defending for support and Horjtout is already down by 2 before half time.

I expect the joker to come with a skillful excuse

I'm truly desperate to hear what he would have to say today.
Let's see how he denigrates jorginho today.