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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:34am On Nov 24, 2021
Ibime:
Another falsehood.

Those are OPTA stats rating like I said - a compilation of stats and he scored points as an aggregation of his 5 yard passes. Same method used to grade bonus points in FPL.

The seasoned analysts (eye test) had Jorginho as our worst player except Pulisic like I said. Even RLC who played few minutes scored higher.
This is quite shameful and a new low even for you. cry cry

Just to denigrate jorginho, you had to scour the entire internet to find the only aberration to to jorginho's rating.
Well, below is the top 5 football sites that we all know for football showing jorginho as one of our highest performers today.
You can only hate and hate, jorginho will keep doing his talking on the pitch.
Tuchel is not a fool to keep trusting and relying on jorginho every match day.

This is sky sports, whoscored, dailymail, sofascored, etc all giving jorginho high scores. Not an out of touch fan arguing against them.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:50am On Nov 24, 2021
Ibime:
Outpossessing who? We are not a possession based team, and if we do, it's definitely not due to Jorginho. The stats are known. Go and update your software

Today is the first time Jorginho has made the most passes in the team and that's simply due to Juventus formation which allowed him to be spare man and make 5 yard passes to score points on the OPTA system. Eye test, he was the least of our players today except Pulisic. I hope you will accept those score sites when they show Jorginho as our lowest rated player of the season which they showed you couple of days ago.

Possession keepers are known. Jorginho is no26 for possession this season despite playing every game. Audio possession from the mouth of donjazet. Stop spreading falsehoods.
Ibime , one simple question, can you explain or justify this high rating for jorginho today??
During the match, you kept shouting my name about jorginho when I was indeed seeing him making wonderful passes and creating chances from deep. So oga ibims, can you please tell me why you were shouting my name during the match for a player who turned out to be one of our highest performers in a very tough fixture that we demolished??
Can you tell be why seasoned football analysts would rate jorginho very high and an out of date average fan would counteract them?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:36am On Nov 24, 2021
hensben:
Lukaku is not a big game player due to his limit technical ability, it’s not about midfield. His strengths are pace, power and goal scoring ability but average techniques. Techniques is the first strength of a sport man. Iniesta is small but he is a wizard due to techniques. One of the reason I like James, he is very technical, he add techniques to every of his abilities(cross, strength to defend, run and goal scoring), same with Trent.
It is simply too early to start saying these.
You mean to tell me that a player who has scored more than 350 career goals lacks technique??
That is a fallacious statement. Do you know that Lukaku himself is a low key drinbler?
Just wait and see him first. It's too early for us to be passing judgement on him?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:23am On Nov 24, 2021
Ibime:
Story for the Gods

Juventus was in their own half all game, no pressure on Jorginho and no direct opponent in midfield.
His only role today was receiving the ball in 10 yards of space everytime and giving it to the closest man.
Even Skimpledawg could have played that role tonight
At no time was he involved in forcing players to commit, removing players from the game or within 5 yards of any Juventus player, like James, Rudiger, Chalobah, Chilwell, Kante and RLC were doing all night
With all that space and no pressure, he should have been dropping multiple passes over the top like Pirlo.
Man did nothing. All those points are simply for pass completion to the next man 5 yards away from him. That's how those sites score games.
Baba, leave all these shalaye. Do you think that it is magic that we are out possessing every single team this season bar man city??
I have told you that your sense of football has not evolved to the modern game.
Players like jorginho, busquet, rodri are essential to any team that is keen on possession? Jorginho excels in recycling and distribution of the ball from the pivot, not necessarily for tackles, ball clearance or other roles for a traditional defensive midfielders.
Modern coaches believe in defending by actually doing less defending. Ie, emphasis on possession and fast counter-presses.

Oga you are not better than top attacking coaches like tuchel, guardiola or Sarri who highly value jorginho.
The world of football has now recognized this player, nominating and winning the highest accolades. Our very own vice captain! Who the hell are you?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:10am On Nov 24, 2021
hapheeyxz:
Lukaku spoilt the first leg game against juve but people won't understand how...

Lukaku is rigid, not mobile.

He was not playing with those boys at all, so, it was like short one.

He can't even dribble and give a good pass. U can watch the highlight of the game to confirm this.
Those boys need someone that will play with them not a rigid player that will be waiting for balls.
To me, those boys don't need lukaku..... he's a waste of money to that team.
Why do you guys keep saying this?

Have you thought about the fact that just maybe bringing dribblers into the team on the wings helped rather than mount and havertz who couldn't take on players? Let's see Lukaku play with pulisic and Hudson before having this take.

Lukaku is one of the most prolific strikers in world football. We are lucky to have him and I can't wait to rub your faces in the mud when his adaptation is complete.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 11:36pm On Nov 23, 2021
Segedinho:
James closely followed by jogs despite no assists nor goals


cool
Ibime!!! Do you see this? You know nothing about jorginho's role in our team. The boy keeps shaming you. grin grin
The Hallmark of a man is knowing when to accept defeat, to fight another day.
You consistently denigrate our vice captain who has played an instrumental role in keeping us where we are.

So you know more than tuchel who is always starting him? Na wa for you.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 1:29am On Nov 21, 2021
Exonerate1:
Jorginho can't do half turns grin grin

https://twitter.com/kingJorge5_/status/1401093165000572930?s=19[/quote]You dey mind Ibime. cheesy he has allowed hate to cloud his sense of judgement.
Just see sweet control and composure. I keep saying it, we're very lucky guardiola did not lay hand on jorginho.
We just can't value our own. Even when the world of football has done that. Ibime dey use old man football sense dey watch ball.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 1:28am On Nov 21, 2021
Ibime:
You asked for a bet, of course we have to use an official arbiter which is Whoscored cos eye test can be argued. My initial statement on everyone outshining him was actually based on eye test, but since you wanted to go betting route, we had to find an official ratings site.

Malang Sarr is simply variance. He has only played one game and we kept clean sheet, that's why he's up there. Same with Kepa

Most of those players have not even been completing 90 mins. Despite playing limited minutes per match and not scoring awoof points from penalties, they still outrate Jorginho on average.

Jogginghoe is Garba Lawal of Chelsea. Kill talks of rating him the best just for being on the pitch.
So what exactly is your yardstick for the bet?
You said jorginho would be the least rated player in more than 90% of our games.
Even whoscored will show that in most of our games this season, jorginho has never been the worst rated on the pitch. Not to talk of 90%.
Ibime, you don enter one chance. I go email you my wallet address. Do the needful. grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:39am On Nov 21, 2021
Ibime better pay up oo. grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:38am On Nov 21, 2021
Our last 4 games Ibime. You can see that he is NEVER our worst player on the pitch. Most times even outperforming the striker. cheesy

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:32am On Nov 21, 2021
popizaino:
On the bolded,I will say most especially in the Tottenham game and also every other match he's played so far, he has barely put in a wrong foot.
I agree with you. This is what we call "eye test". Looking at stats we'll see that there have been a few dispossessions and lost ariel duels but overall he has been superb. Likewise, jorgs, he has rarely put in a foot wrong.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:30am On Nov 21, 2021
Ibime:
Whoscored of course.

Infact you can even include his awoof ratings from penalties.

Apart from Saul and RLC, every member of the back 7 has rated better than him on average.

Infact, you don't need to go far, the result is here.
Ibime you should know better than this. This is not what we are arguing. The fact that malanga sarr is at the top of that list tells you all that is wrong with it.
A player who played only 2 good matches compared to a player who plays 11 matches, we know whose overall rating is bound to be higher.

You said that in all our matches. That's the matches INDIVIDUALLY. Ie one by one, jorginho will have the lowest rating in our team to which I told you is false. Although I normally even use sofascore. But even who scored will reflect that jorginho has never been the worst performing player on the pitch this season for us.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 12:15am On Nov 21, 2021
Ibime:
Except games where he scores penalties, he will be the least rated player on average per 90 minutes except Malang Sarr. I can bet on that. $100 in crypto. I exclude penalties because points are given for goals.
Agreed. What website do we use?
Let this be very clear.

You said jorginho will be the LEAST rated player of all our players in every match except the one he scored penalty. To which I challenge your rethoric.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 11:48pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime:
Joggi has been ever present and will drop the lowest match rating of the back 7 in 90% of the games he has played.

You want use attaché give am best player just for being on the pitch when everyone is outshining him. Dead on arrival. Even if you bring in a kid from academy for just one game, he will still come in and outshine him. Alonso was outshining him, Chilwell came in, still outshining him. Kova was outshining him, Kante just came back, still outshining him. Azpi was outshining him, got injured, James immediately outshining him. Chalobah was outshining him at season start, Silva came in, same thing.

You want give am accolades for being the Garba Lawal of Chelsea. Ever present but never shining.
Should we bet the bolded with cash. I want to chop your money add to my portfolio.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 11:46pm On Nov 20, 2021
Havertz10, I have a gift for you. grin grin grin

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 11:33pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime:
And they are still miles ahead.

Even the ones that come in for odd games like Chalobah still outshine him in the specific games they come in for

Nobody has watched a game this season and raved about Jogginghoe, but there have been run or games where we have raved about Alonso, James, Chilwell, Kovacic, Rudiger, Thiago, Chris, even Chalobah and RLC. Kante just stepped in and we are already raving.

All you are really saying is Jorginho has no alternative DM and he hasn't been injured.
You are lost in your irrationality. Many of the players you listed were highlighted because of the goals they scored in those matches but I ask you, is scoring a goal the only reasonable metric to say a player performed exceptionally??
You list Andreas, which match particularly was his performances highlighted? Or Silva.
Again, I can't stress this enough, our team is exceptional at the moment because we are indeed the sum of all our parts. All players in their positions are doing what they are supposed to do bar some attackers.

Jorginho by being an ever present in the team has been crucial and vital to the teams overall performances. Stop dilly-dallying.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 11:26pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime:
LEEEMAAAAO

Jorginho has been the weakest outside the front 3 bro

Both wingbacks miles ahead
Kovacic miles ahead
Mendy miles ahead
Rudiger, Thiago, Chris miles ahead

If Joggi is 8.5, we need to start dashing out 9.5 and above to every regular outside the front 3
This is an irrational logic.
All our players have offered their best when called upon in bits and pieces but jorgs has been ever present. I'm not going to pick our best players Sha, it's too close to call seeing as everyone is performing very well but the fact that we have very few mainstays in this run give those few the upper hand, for their consistencies.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 11:21pm On Nov 20, 2021
Emaprince:
Alonsos best game was against spurs. After that, he went downhill.

Chinwel have been fantastic. James have been excellent as well.
Are you aware that James has played only 5 premier league games for us this season out of 12 and chillwell has played 6 games. While jorginho has played 11, level with Mendy and rudiger?

Again we are excelling because tuchel has successfully extracted the best performances from all players.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 10:57pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime:
Na simple thing na. Name any regular player in the back 7, nay back 8 he's been better than.

He's our only DM and hasn't been injured, so him playing minutes is neither here nor there
First of all, we don't Play a back 7 or 8 seeing as our wingbacks are more of auxiliary wing-forwards or wingers. By saying back 7,you imply a negative connotation of defensive system whereas our wingbacks are flying forwards.

Secondly, I just answered you. The whole team is playing well but rudiger and jorginho are our best players SO FAR by virtue of consistency.
We are where we are because the whole team have been doing their bits when called upon eg. Pulisic, ziyech and chalobah today having good games despite limited times.

Earlier this season Lukaku and Alonso with kovacic were one of our best performers. None of them are in the team now. Now James, chillwell and Silva are the standouts. But through all these, the ever present spine of the team has been jorginho and rudiger. Hence both of them being our best performers overall by delivering consistent top notch performances.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 10:47pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime:
Except the front 3, he's the least performing player

If I'm lying, name any regular player in the back 7 he's been better than. I'll wait.
Are you aware that jorginho has played the highest minutes for us this season after rudiger??

Other players are in and out of the team but these two are the only mainstays in the team but somehow, to you, others have played better? It's alright. grin kwantinu.
Jorginho is one of our most consistent top performers this season, stop hating, man.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 10:30pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime:
If he is 8.5, 90% of the rest of the team must be 9.5
So he's the least performing player according to you? grin grin okay oo.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 9:58pm On Nov 20, 2021
Ibime what do you have to say about jorginho's performances this season.
Seeing as our team has been performing, On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate jorginho's season?
I'm personally giving him an 8.5. you??
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 3:42pm On Nov 20, 2021
PDPGuy:
We have outscored our opponents 18-2 in the last 6 league games shocked
What magic has TT performed lol
I remember when we were struggling to score more than one goal a match. Long times indeed! grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 3:04pm On Nov 20, 2021
Operation clean sheet.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 3:03pm On Nov 20, 2021
nihilistjnr:
E no go better for Lampard and any other coach claiming ex-legend
Wetin him do? cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 3:01pm On Nov 20, 2021
Pulisic is back.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:59pm On Nov 20, 2021
User09:
We play a lot better with him. Every unbiased person knows this.

I was particularly impressed by his link-up play in this game
We played very winnable teams who gave us ample spaces to attack.
Havertz have been very underwhelming. Certainly not worth 70m
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:56pm On Nov 20, 2021
Kantebets:
how many lukaku score before him injury?
Shebi you did not see the "easy teams" I put there?

Havertz played against very winnable team while Lukaku played tougher matches. Tell me who is supposed to score more from their fixtures?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:53pm On Nov 20, 2021
Once again the pair of mount and havertz deliver quite a poor showing. Yet their fans won't let us rest in this thread with their noise.

Let these boys do their talking on the pitch
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:49pm On Nov 20, 2021
Please sub off havertz
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:44pm On Nov 20, 2021
It's very shameful that havertz played 7 games as a striker against quite easy teams and scored only 2 goals and 1 assist out of 16 goals scored.
That's astonishingly poor. Very very terrible. I'm disappointed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by donjazet(m): 2:18pm On Nov 20, 2021
Nice to come away with all 3 points from this ground.

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