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Leyqute:
Don't think Grieamann is an out and out striker. His stature for one is quite telling.

I know he is not a striker, that is what I am worried about, Jose doesn't seem to want a CF this season with the names flying around

if the likes of belotti and lukaku are his back ups for griezmann instead of being a different position on its own in the transfer list he handed to woodward, it tells a lot where griezmann will be playing next season if he comes

weedtaker:
i even heard he went for 60mil, make we kuku sign cavani na.

I don't really fancy cavani but with the way things are going, I don't mind

snrman:
is it official?

I don't know, but it's the news flying around

Aubameyang sef is a fool, why would he go to PSG

eph12:
Mind you he wasn't talking about the management of the club but what we have come to accept as our place or norm so you can go ahead attacking him about what united was used to some few years ago

it all boils down to the manager, doesn't it? which season can you point to as our best since fergie retired?

Roy keane has no point, he should shut up

eph12:
I raised this point the other day. If Grizzy comes, it's not Rashford that would suffer but Mkhi and Mata. That is if he is able to meet up with the hype. Now the argument here is that a small boy like Rashford can't be allowed to lead a title charge but even if Grizzy comes he will still be the one. Unless there is another striker Woodward is bidding for.

according to reports, the list handed to Woodward contain names of four players, I am guessing griezmann, a winger, a midfielder and a defender

I am going to assume griezmann will be our striker, because according to reports again, if we don't get griezmann, we will go for belotti or lukaku

those of us shouting griezmann, it seems you have forgotten that he is not a STRIKER

and even if we deploy him as our number 9, will he be able to cope? with his small stature..

we need a striker before anything else, it hurts to see aubameyang go to PSG

eph12:
Either it wasn't full moon then or the coaches of the top teams were serious and not flops like what we had last season. Last season Mourinho and LVG were a mess which happens once in a lifetime.

all in all, he should shut his mouth because when the opportunity came to manage a club he failed woefully

eph12:
The teams that Roy Keane coached can Fraudiola or Jose coach those teams and not still be regarded as the best coaches around?

what stopped him from doing a Ranieri?

gensteejay:
Comparing Kante and Hazard is not logical because they play different roles in Chelsea team.

A unbiased follower of EPL knows Eden Hazard is Chelsea's most talented and best player. Wining PFA Player of the Year award is not a new feat to Hazard, who has got the award more than once.

Does it even make sense rating Kante over Hazard? How many trophies has the former won?

it is okay to call him the best player in Chelsea when he wins pfa but it is not logical to call kante the best player in Chelsea after winning pfa

whose logic is failing now?

both won the same number of trophies this season, both play in the same club, who is even arguing that with you? I only debunked your claim that hazard is/was the best player in Chelsea currently/this season


hazard might be the most talented player in Chelsea but this season, he was not Chelsea's best player, kante was

please I am not in the mood for any hazard debate this morning, it has been trashed here a couple of times, if you have questions, the thread is yours to explore, you'll see some old arguments that will answer your questions

gensteejay:
All you pseudo-football analysts and Hazard's haters on Nairaland, well done.

So if Hazard is not currently the best player in Chelsea according to your submission, then who is? Costa? Pedro? Or Fabregas?

All these ineffectual Nl football analysts who just started watching football matches perhaps in the Messi-Ronaldo era, where number of goals, number of trophies won (and probably number of assists) are the chief factors used to rate players.

To rate a player, folks like you turn a blind eye to the player's impact on the team, his ability to dribble opponents and create chances.

Assuming for a moment we accept your criteria for rating a player are just number of goals and number of assists as your comments on Hazard here claim, that means FIFA made a grave mistake by awarding the prestigious Balon D'or to Fabio Canavaro (a defender), Zinedine Zidane or even Kaka.

These players didn't win the award with just numbers of goals as the criterion; what really made them stand out was their stellar work impact on their teams and work rate.

It is only during this Messi-Ronaldo era that number of goals scored has become a major criterion for selecting world's best players.

So your argument that Sanchez is currently better than Hazard based on number of goals and assists is a flawed one.

who won pfa player of the year? kante or hazard? after answering the question, tell me how hazard is the best player in Chelsea currently when somebody else won the pfa player of the year


and since when did defenders start getting awards based on goals and assists?

who the fnck is this

chic2pimp:
Lack of CL footy this season would probably affect His chances.

lol, if he over performed this season like you claim, that shouldn't hinder his chances

let's just agree to disagree, i'm logging out

Chelseafan1:
You can't and shouldn't compare Madrid/Barca to Chelsea

How many Euro titles did Bale/Suarez lead Spurs and Pool to b4 joining the two best teams in the world that have the two world best players.?

did you guys wait for him to join barca or Madrid before saying he is better? same way you can't compare barca/Madrid to Chelsea is the same way you can't compare hazard to neymar and Suarez

if you are saying barca/Madrid are better than Chelsea, then the core players in those teams are better than than the ones in chelsea

fourfourfour:
Na wa for some people oh, hazard won French league with lille abi n won player of d year.

read my post again, Chelseafan1 understands what I am talking about

chic2pimp:
Better numbers does not mean He is /was the better player though. There is a reason why one of them was in the PFA team two seasons in a row whilst the other wouldn't even make PFA's third team.

Not disputing his output being a better lower than His rivals but at 25/26, He can only but get better.

Nah man I can't agree with that. Top 6-7 players in the world....Hell Yh!.

what if he isn't when FIFA releases their own list? will you agree he isn't?

Chelseafan1:
You can call it hype when we compare Hazard to Messi/CR7 but it is no hype comparing Hazard, Neymar, Sanchez or Suarez...What spectacular thing can those 4 do that Hazard can't do....Na only Messi and CR7 dey Wow us every year. Leave story


Shey u even know say some Barca fans don start dey compare Neymar with cr7,they even said he is better than cr7, but no, una no go see that one.

Una just hate Hazard all of una, Neymar never punish De Gea and Man utd like Hazard has done, Neymar never punish Boateng, Lahm, Neuer like Hazard has done.... So its understandable

you can compare hazard with neymar, Suarez and co but it is when you argue that he is better that I come fully prepared to counter

the spectacular thing that those players have done that hazard hasn't, cannot and might never do is lead his team to a European trophy

you don't want me listing the number of times neymar, Suarez and Sanchez turned up when it mattered most?

aside assisting Costa and fabregas to a league title, what other notable thing can you say hazard has done that makes him better than neymar, Suarez and Sanchez?

not individual awards now

fourfourfour:
Left wing, ya sure even Moses is a RWB n Cesar is CB do dey look natural in does positions to u, will u compare dem to dos who play it naturally.
Sanchez has always been a forward player, so has pedro.

First ask y hazard is so highly rated, it's his ability to create chances, atimes out of nothing, d way he dribbles past players n den lays d ball for another team mate.

In dis fa cup final Hazard was good but nt at his best.

you said he is an attacking midfielder, that I shouldn't be deceived by the position he played under Jose, I gave you the formation you guys deployed under conte this season and you said left wing

so which midfield is he attacking?

hazard has played as an attacking midfielder this season I think, I can't remember but i don't think he is an attacking midfielder

Chelseafan1:
Wetin be ur own sef, u no be Neymar fan, u no be Barca fan, why u carry Hazard matter for head like this.?

It is because he always flogs Man utd and De gea?

lol, before the too much hype by you guys, hazard was my favorite Chelsea player after lampard

fourfourfour:
Hazard is an attacking midfielder, haba, oh u think bcus Conte plays him left wing, he is a winger. D first time he ever played forward was for Mou,... so how exactly is he supposed to be on dat list. Eh??
It's like sayin Oscar is a striker cus he use to score goals

hazard is an attacking midfielder?

3-4-3

this is Chelsea's formation right? where does hazard play in this formation?

chic2pimp:
Yh exactly my point. He currently plays as a striker. The last season He played as a true winger was 2006/07.

Not many would but Hazard is in the bracket that would. Messi and Ronaldo with their 30+ goals and 20+ assists are on a whole different level. Your Hazards, Neymars et al will get you just that.

I'd dearly love to see Sanchez's numbers compared to Hazard's as an inverted winger. I bet it would be quite similar.

Top 6-7 players in the world currently or top 6-7 peformers this season is basically the same. Potato-potata really. Hazard is in that bracket. The Herrera comparison no be am at all. You can probably name 30 midfielders better than Herrera. One third of them are in the Spanish National Team

do you know that Herrera has better numbers than kante this season?

Sanchez's numbers compared to hazard's are higher, and it shouldn't be so looking at the quality of both teams

hazard's output in terms of goals and assists is quite poor, ask the fans here, why do you think they want him to be selfish?

top 6 wingers in the world? yes
top 6 performers in the world this season/currently? no
top 6 players in the world, NO

fourfourfour:
Some people can lie here oh... FIFA rates Sanchez higher dan Hazard... even if it's PES ur playing n it's deceiving u, NOBODY HAS EVA RATED SANCHEZ ABOVE HAZARD.

It's nt by goal n assist, it's children like u dat wud have given Kane player of d year (actually fans did dat).

go and check FIFA's list of top fowards, come back here and tell us what you saw

fourfourfour:
Best performance 2016/2017

lol, your list is missing a lot of names and I am also guessing it is not in any particular order

fourfourfour:
Neymar Bonucci Marcelo Toni Kross Lewandoski Kane Kante Messi Buffon Hazard Cesar Azi Sanchez

this list is for?

UrennaNkoli:
So because sanchez had a good day today and has an FA cup to show for it, he is now regarded as one of the top 6 players in the world? You see why I don't like seeing arsenal winning matches not to talk of trophies. A pathetic coach like wenger that is supposed to leave the club for good will now be begged to stay. A player like Alexis Sanchez that is not in anyway better than willian will now be regarded as among the world best. Even some went as far as hailing Rob Holding as a ''beast'' of a defender all because he had good match today.
Losing the FA cup wasn't painful. What was painful was seeing those average players of arsenal like bellerin , matersacker, holding, monreal, walcott, ospina in fact the whole arsenal squad apart from maybe sanchez and ozil celeberating and using their ''ogas'' to collect star.
Well congrats to Arsenal anyway and Chelsea still remains the greatest team of the NEW EPL era which started in 1992 or so. I so much hate to hear Man u shouting 20 EPL trophies. We are talking about the rejuvenated football league here and not 1950's english FA league. Arsenal no fit even stand for where blacburn rovers dey.

Well my own top 6 are as follows

1. Messi
2. Ronaldo
3. Suarez
4. Hazard
5. Aguero (Forget the fact that he wasn't at his very best in the just concluded season)
6. Neymar



7. Robben
8. Bale ( On his good day and free from injuries}
9. Griezmann
10. Kroos

wetin I no go see, Sanchez is not better than Willian? not just today dear, he has 30goals, FIFA rates him above your full squad

he has outscored your acclaimed best player since coming to england but he is not better than a current bench warmer

today is children's day my dear, not April fool's day


I didn't see the part about my team

since 1992 according to you

we won the treble
we have more champions league
we have more league cups
we have more EPL titles

so explain to me how chelsea are the greatest team of the new EPL era

chic2pimp:
Absolutely with a straight face on. Sanchez scored 24 in the league whilst at times playing as the main striker. Hazard on the other hand scored 16. Are you telling me If He won't have cracked the 20 goal mark if He played more centrally?....Really?



Definitely not. Always maintained my stance. He is amongst the top6-7 players currently.The current Balon d'or voting has to do with the 2015/16 season. Let's wait til this year's votings is released. The only thing that would hamper His chances is lack of CL footy.

How is Ronaldo not a striker?.He hasn't played as a winger for years now. Benzema is more of a winger than Him sef. I bet you can't name 10-15 players greater. If na joke stop am abeg.

ronaldo didn't start as a striker, ronaldo is not a striker but plays as one

not many converted wingers will score 20plus goals and have 10 plus assists

trust me if we decide to look at the number of goals and assists by both players from the same position or Sanchez's numbers from a withdrawn position hazard will fall flat on his face

hazard isn't even the best in Chelsea currently, if you say top 6 players in the world currently, there are lots of players better and have better numbers, I can even argue that Herrera is amongst the top 6 players in the world currently but that wouldn't make any sense


maybe top 6 Players who performed well this season and this can be argued too cause i can name about 8players in this category

macjireh:
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YET UR SANCHEZ COULD NOT QUALIFY HIS TEAM FOR UCL.....NOW HE WANTS OUT......U SEE YOSELF

replace sanchez with hazard and let hazard qualify arsenal for the CL

elampiro:
Rooney was already a great player before scoring 20+ goals, unlike Griezmann who was recognized because he scored 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons.

Rooney's 20+ goals were seasons apart.

okay oh

chic2pimp:
For starters Hazard played a competition less. Secondly Sanchez was used as THE NO 9 quite a few times during the course of the season. And oh yh I can say that with a straight face. The PFA awards agree with me and the Balon D'or votings come the end of the season would most likely also do the same.

no seriously, you can't be saying this with a straight face

if they had played the same number of competitions this season, hazard wouldn't have reached 25 goals

use hazard as the no9 and he won't score up to 20league goals, Sanchez isn't a no9 but he was able to score 30 and assist 17, whereas strikers struggle to come up with 20

don't forget you said hazard is amongst the top 6 players in the world currently, the last balon d'or votings doesn't agree with you

what Sanchez does is what top top players do, e.g ronaldo, not a striker but scores from a striking position

hazard might be amongst the top 10 or 15 players in the world but top 6? a big NO

elampiro:
16 league goals Griezmann is a gamble.

Any player who cannot score 20 league goals is a gamble.

Any player who scored 20 league goals twice and now scored 16 is on the decline.

Abeg, this is my last response to you.

do you agree that Rooney has been on the decline since he stopped scoring 20+ goals?

chic2pimp:
Nice try...Hazard has the edge over Sanchez this season

based on what?
even if I remove Sanchez, I can easily replace him with lewandowski
but based on what?

chic2pimp:
..Shyte happens. Just had an off day today. Still amongst the top5-6 players in the world though

ronaldo
messi
Suarez
neymar
robben
Sanchez


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