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@MP007

I for one will NOT post such pictures anywhere!

Mind you, we're different in our thinking and approach issues. So, you don't dictate to people what to post and what not to post. 'Live and let's live!'.

Obviously you don't get the message. I don't care whether or not you believed in what I experienced. I mentioned seeing the photo of Jesus in 2 Asian countries with a typical Asian face. That doesn't not imply that I think Jesus was Asian. And posting such pictures doesn't mean that he was Asian while he lived on earth. The place of birth and nationality of Jesus Christ are clear enough in the Bible. The talk here is about the pictures we see around, and I decided to mention what I saw too. I will not post any picture here for people to download and circulate with their different meanings and interpretations. I will not take responsibility for such! Get the me right!

ryu11:
Definitely not.

Jesus lived as a Black Man.

A few months ago, I visited Malaysia and had course to go shopping in a small road side supermarket. I was surprised to see a framed picture of Jesus Christ on sale, with A TYPICAL ASIAN LOOK. The picture left me pondering and reminded me of a similar picture I came accoss in China sometime ago.

Hnd-holder:
DORCAS, I am happy to meet you here, how are you. You left me at Ibadan you forget about me and Toyin.

Any way I withdrew my commet because I want to be fair. Yes it is me . Regards

You sound funny! Can't figure out your name from your Nairaland ID, so may I know your name?

amsky:
please,i'm a nigerian cross bearer in ghana.i hope it's not against the law to post lectures of the message in such a forum.it does not sit too well with me.let us not begin to do things which we are not sure of here. okay everyone-pilgrim,hnd holder,nwakwo and all,be good guys okay,and enjoy the rest of your day.

Lately, this particular thread has been largely un-moderated and un-coordinated.  The recent posts do not show any link between the questions and the answers. And, I personally don’t feel comfortable with this thread.

Frankly speaking, Mr. Nwankwo has been doing a good job here and in other threads in this section. Thanks to him!

I wish you well!

Hnd-holder:
A satanic view of yours that may not give room for humility.

Hnd-holder, your comment does not give a fair impression about you viz-a-viz the essence of your posts in this thread.

olrotimi:
nonsense, in my point of view sha

Olrotimi, I respect your point of view!

However, if you arrived at your point of view based on the posts on this thread, I will advice you to redress and read the work 'In The Light of Truth: The Grail Message''.  By so doing, your view will then be based on your understanding of what you read and not on attempts made by some people to answer questions according to their own experience, maturity and understanding.

Cheers

lafile:
@All
Why does everybody (Muslims, Cross Bearers(Grail Messengers) etc) want to force their beliefs into the bible? Why do they want to authenticate their faith from the bible? Is it because the recognise the Power behind the Word of God? I don't care about what is in any other book. I don't search for truth in any other book. I have found the TRUTH, The WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING but the TRUTH in the Bible.

No one on this thread is forcing their belief on you. Perhaps I should be more specific; neither did I create this thread to force any belief on anyone nor to provoke an argument. I personally have a phobia for arguments, especially on spiritual matters because I CANNOT fight for GOD. His WORD speaks for itself. And every human being is endowed with the ability to become knowing, in this regard.

From what I am permitted to know from The Grail Message, coupled with my personal experience, I am convinced that reincarnation is a fact of life. And far be it from me to force it on anyone or rather tell anyone it’s a must to believe in reincarnation. I read the article, was touched and I decided to share.

Anyone’s believe, disbelieve or indifference about Reincarnation CANNOT change the truth of it.

Truth is universal! Therefore, any truth found in the Bible can be found in any other spiritual work. For example, I have read in the Bible that whatever a man sows, that shall he reap. I have also read it in the Grail Message. It is also a teaching in the Buddhist circle. Even for those who are illiterates who can neither read nor write, they know from experience that if they sow corn, they must surely reap corn. I have met some people who are not followers of any religion and from my interaction with them; they’re well informed about the law of sowing and reaping. As this applies in agriculture, so does it apply to our thoughts words and actions. Again, TRUTH is UNIVERSAL! Gold is gold, whether in the hands of a rich man or poor man or even in the worst garbage bin with the most offensive odour.

I will be digressing a bit and please excuse me on this! Again this is my own understanding and I am not saying anyone should accept. Belief, religion and living in accordance with the Will of God are NOT the same. Put differently, the Will of God is independent of any religion. It is perfect! Whoever lives according to His LAWS/WILL will make heaven irrespective of the person’s religion or belief.

In conclusion, I will not end this post without congratulating you for finding the TRUTH. I wish you strenght in upholding and standing by the TRUTH at all times.

Maturedone:
Fellows, please find attached an article on BIBLE ACCOUNTS THAT SUGGEST REINCARNATION. Wishing you a joyful reading! [b][/b]

Dorcasde, I took my time to read all your other posts in other threads/forum and I can see that you are well informed and matured. In view of this, I would like to have a one-to-one talk with you. I would like to share my other dreams with you. The article also mentioned the ''In the Light of Truth-Grail Message'' as the source from which the author draws his knowledge…………I am very interested.
Please, kindly drop your email address here for me. I don’t want to leave mine because I don’t want people to start writing me nonsense, telling me there is nothing like past life/reincarnation. My life and dream experience can’t deceive me. Thanks! Waiting!

Thanks for sharing your experience! Please feel free to reach me dorcasde@yahoo.com.

I wish you well!

April 13

m_nwankwo:
It is always the best to explain things like reincarnation based on the Grail Message and your own personal recognition rather rather than citing biblical verses.

Thanks! The title of this post is ''Bible Accounts that Suggest Reincarnation''.

ajadrage:
Your reference in itself puts a lie to the topic of your post, sorry

I like your signature ' The heart of mankind is inherently incapable of self guidance '. All I will add is, intuitively seek for guidance from ABOVE and you shall find the TRUTH.

IDINRETE:
can you defend all these attributes you have stated above about the yahweh/jehovah god in the old testament?

Defend
Your coming to Nairaland shows that you can read and write very well. Therefore, I'd advice you to go to the Old Testament, read it and figure out all you need to know viz-a-viz my post. .

That is my contribution to the topic in question. If it makes sense to you, good! Otherwise, it's also good. Feel free to address the question or shed more light on different contributions based on your fate and understanding.

kembaby:
i am a woman and if i may be honest, we women run our mouth and it gets us into trouble.

Kembaby, please don't generalize wrongly. I guess you're talking about yourself. I am a lady like you; but I don't run my mouth anyhow and talk myself into trouble. This is because I am very conscious of my words. Though I am not perfect, but I think deeply before talking.

I am happy you're on Nairaland; guess this is a good place for you to learn about different personality types and how to approach issues from very broad and logical perspectives.

Nairaland is not like our usual traditional family meeting place where people look at issues almost from the same way angle. Here, we have Nigerians (both home and abroad) and non-Nigerians. You will agree with me that, this is an international forum where people look at things from their varied experience based on their nature and nurture.

I wish you well

Nihil-ce-M:
I was really shocked to read her post. I am happy there are people like Outstrip and Dorcasde who are still capable of viewing things in a very objective and human way.

There are tons of ladies passing through the same horror. The poster has the guts to cry out because she’s doing well; if it really turns out sour, she can take care of herself and children. There are many people out there experiencing the same but they dare not whine, otherwise, they’re finished because they have tied their whole life to their marriage. A typical African woman is strong, with long endurance.

Some people say it’s the devil’s work; that she should pray till eternity. Why is it that when people are seeking for employment, they pray and at the same time apply to jobs openings? Why don’t they pray 24/7 and expect their dream job to seek and find them.

A cousin of mine passed on about 2 years ago, at age 35. Her marriage was a horror; she was the breadwinner of her family. She was everything to her husband and kids; as if that was not enough, her husband enjoyed womanizing and ‘pounding’ her. Over the years, she became pre-hypertensive…….then hypertensive. She was just a glorified slave addressed as a wife. In the end, she died of heart attack…………………on the 25th of Dec, 2005. Her 3 children are now with their paternal uncle. Her husband re-married 8 months after her death.

[b]This is a very sensitive issue!

Poster, you’re going too far by talking about our fore fathers. In recent time, I have met people who have never heard of Christianity, even Islam. Does it mean they will go to hell as well? The one and only God is not an arbitrary God, HE is perfect, and so His laws are perfect. The way to paradise is in the heart of every man. Put differently, every human being knows what is right from what is wrong; we all know what is SINFUL from what is not.

The cannel of the message of Jesus Christ is in 2 folds …………………1) Love your God and 2) Love your neighbor as yourself. Basically, every other religion on earth teaches these. You need not be a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist …you name it…, for you to know how to Love God by fulfilling HIS WILL which is basically …, living aright in your thoughts, words and actions. And then how to love ones neighbor as oneself is in everyman’s heart. These key values are what we lack, we know them but we don’t pay much attention to them…, perhaps because of their logic and simplicity. These days, an average human being believes that anything that is of God should be complex, illogical and beyond man’s comprehension. That is exactly why we think that forgiveness is all about ‘praying for forgiveness’. It is evident in the Bible that we shall sow what we reap and it is implied that the only condition for forgiveness is CHANGE.

As I have seen, those who plough iniquity, and sow trouble, reap the same. (Job4:.
For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit. (Luke 6:43).
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. (Galatians 6:7).
We’re too hyper religious instead of being spiritual. We should learn to stand aright by living an exemplary life pleasing unto God.

God is no respecter of any man, nation or religion. But he who does HIS WILL, will surely find his path to paradise.

Acts: 10 34-35…, it reads… "Truly I perceive that God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable to Him."

Mathew 7:21 says ‘Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven’.[/b]

Outstrip:
Kem there is some truth in what you are saying but you are in my opinion very irresponsible to completely absolve her husband of any blame but turn around and blame it on the devil and the ignorance of the person being abused. Your response is very typical. Who really needs someone right now, the man who is clearly here on earth to do the work of the devil or the wife who is at the risk of either being infected with HIV or being beaten to death by her husband or having her children grow up with the idea that if their husbands beat them up then it is just the work of the devil and the poor man should be sympathized with because that bad devil made him do it. Abeg be careful with the advice. She needs to leave that situation. She does not have to be there for God to answer her prayers.
You have obviously been brainwashed to believe that it is the womans responsibility alone to work to save a marriage. It's from both sides. What benefit is it to the kids to be around this man?

Outstripe, I’m with you, there’s so much sense in your post!

What a pity, the devil is always the scapegoat. We all tend to forget that the Almighty God gave us all the free will to take decisions and for every decision we take, good or bad, we must face the consequences.  So, majority of us stray by taking the wrong decisions but when the consequences come, the easy way out is to blame it on the devil as if we must always yield to whatever temptations that come our way.

My advice to all is that………….we should ‘shine’ our ‘inner eyes’. Good enough, Nigerians are prayer warriors (including me)……, pray well before taking any decision concerning your life Seek for directions and you will surely be guided intuitively. And whatever decision you take, be ready to face the consequences. When things go sour, always remember to check yourself to see where you erred so that you can redress , rather than blaming the devil.

Actions and reactions are equal and opposite; if you do the wrong thing or take the wrong decision, you should expect an outcome in line with your input. Sometimes, we see the ‘red signals’ before delving into things, but we always think we can eat our cake and as well have it. I have learnt not to blame my mistakes on the devil; if you keep blaming the devil then you become a voluntary tool of the devil.  But if you humbly accept the fact that you did not seek the properly before any actions, then you’re in charge and you will receive strength from ABOVE that will pull you through.

dot2002:
This is really doing my head in, frustrated, I wish i can help you more than this online words of advice, if you want to tell him to his face to stop beating you call me i will second you anytime. at least we can have a shouting match on him, as a way of preventing further wife-battery incidents

Dear Poster,

I have read your post and all the advices given by fellow Nairalanders.

I am sorry about your marital ordeal.

Please, please and please………take a clue from this….it’s very good to seek for advise from people, listen to them, hear them out but be sure to do what you intuitively feel is right for you. People give advice based on their level of maturity, temperament,  understanding and experience. So whatever they say might not fit exactly into your situation. Let no one rule your life for you.

I deeply feel your pains but all I read from your post are lapses from your partner. Based on that, I can not hump into saying anything for now. 

If you don’t mind, I will like to chat with you on one-to-one.  I promise to counsel you and lead you through the process of decision making as regards this issue. I am not going to decide for you but I will help you see and clarify some key factors that you should base your decisions on.

If we’re on the same page, feel free to hallo at me on dorcasde@yahoo.com.

Peace!

dafidixone:
Why not come up with your own opinion instead of quoting people.

Simply look away if you're not OK with my post, it's not for everybody.

Peace!

My ‘quiet time’ is usually the moment just before I retire to bed.  During this period, I try to regress back to my activities for the day, to see where I did  well and where I erred. It’s a sort of self appraisal! After looking at all these, I consciously map out ways to redress in any aspect where I feel I did not do well enough to portray my FAITH in GOD.

Dear fellows,

I guess what she's trying to express is that there are many kinds of religions/faiths, as stated in her post. But in Nigeria/Africa, we tend to cling more to Christianity and Islam, whereas there are some other religions widely practised worldwide. However, our own traditional religion is also there, which is the 'airforce' stuff, but we tend to pretend as if it's not existing. Perhaps, some people hold it as their 2nd religion to eirther christianity or islam.

This is my understanding of her post, please pardon and excuse if I got it all wrong.

dot2002:
Dorcasde, heed the word? its slightly more complicated than that and you know it. lol

My dear sister

I was only saying that you should pay attention to the content and not the package, lol

dot2002:
Dorcasde!!! You've blown me away completely but i must ask are these thesis yours? not out of spite just that it seem to have been well mediated and thought upon before you actually commit them to writing.

Dot2002

Many thanks for taking time to read my long posts! It doesn't really matter the source; what matters is the content. Gold is gold no matter where it is found, whether in the hand of rich man, a poor man or in the garbage. So, heed the words and not the writer.

Thanks again for reading. I wish you the best in all ramifications of your life.

Tragedies and Spiritual Progress


The events associated with the terrorist carnage of September 11, 2001 point to an important aspect of the working of the laws of God with respect to tragedies, natural and man-made. This is the fact that victims of tragedies may not have been guilty of any wrongdoing in any sense. While it is true that we do reap whatsoever we sow, it is also the case that not all personal tragedies are the harvests of seeds previously sown in the present or past earth-life. Some of the passengers on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania consciously and voluntarily decided to sacrifice their own lives to save the lives of other people targeted by the terrorists. Hundreds of New York firemen got trapped and were killed while voluntarily trying to save people at the World Trade Center. These people demonstrated superhuman love. They sowed love and they will, in their continuing existence, definitely reap multiples of the love they sowed. Their courageous acts of love are examples of what is called mission karma.

Mission Karma is a fate or a consequence that a person voluntarily accepts in order to fulfill a particular mission. Suppose a house is burning and I enter it to save a child trapped in it. By undertaking the mission, I voluntarily accept the possibility, indeed the likelihood, of being burnt. Any burns I receive are the associated mission karma. In general, any person who voluntarily, and out of genuine love, accepts and carries out a virtuous mission that is associated with dangers is at the same time sowing good seeds --- seeds of pure love. The seeds will grow, mature, and, in due course, yield a bountiful harvest. Such harvests arising from acts of selfless love are the treasures we store for ourselves in heaven; they form points of anchor for the invisible threads that pull us to Paradise, our spiritual home.

God does not at all intervene in the great and small affairs of men, be it wars, accidents, terrorism, natural disasters, etc. From the very beginning, God wove into Creation His perfect Laws, which acting somewhat like a computer program, carry out His Will immutably and irresistibly. God's Love and Justice are built into His unchanging and unchangeable Laws, by which the whole Creation is maintained. Because the Will of God and the Laws that manifest this Will in Creation are perfect, they cannot be improved upon and they cannot be subjected to even the minutest modification. All that God does is to permit His Laws and their applications to be brought to the attention of human beings dwelling on earth and in other parts of material Creation. This is the role that various prophets and spiritual teachers have played over the ages. By adjusting to these Laws voluntarily, human beings receive the immeasurable blessings that are inherent in God's Creation. When we deviate from His Laws, we invite suffering and tragedies on ourselves. Moreover, to appreciate Divine Justice, we should know that every human being has been on earth several times before in other physical bodies. Nobody is here for the first time; therefore, babies are old souls in young bodies. Thus, we all carry with us good and bad karma dating from this and previous earth-lives.

Bad karma and mission karma are, however, not the only explanations for suffering and tragedies. To understand this, we should note that deviation from the path dictated by the Will of God does not always take the form of specific crimes or sins in their ordinary and popular senses. Spiritual inactivity, spiritual indolence and indifference constitute deviation from God's Will, because these go against God's Law of Movement. Motion is a fundamental principle throughout Creation. Even the most casual observation on earth must indicate to us the utmost significance of motion. We note that all matter is in constant movement. If a portion of a fresh, rapidly flowing river is diverted to form a stagnant pool, the pool soon loses its freshness. The river maintains its freshness through movement. A body that is exercised stays healthier than one that does not receive any exercise. In general, any ability that is used improves; one that is not used atrophies. All these are effects of the Law of Movement.

The principle of adaptation is a consequence of the Law of Movement. The human spirit is subject to this same Law of Adaptation. The spiritually receptive part of the brain, the cerebellum, has become stunted relative to the intellectual part, the cerebrum, because human beings have busied themselves almost exclusively with non-spiritual intellectual activities. Thus, we have lost most of our spiritual abilities and hardly appreciate a spiritual outlook on life. The Law of Movement implies that we cannot achieve anything of significance without effort. Thus, indolence of whatever description (physical, mental, spiritual) offends against the Law of Movement, and, therefore, against the Will of God. Without movement the spirit cannot achieve its goal of becoming mature. The spirit must be kept active. Unfortunately, suffering and tragedies are sometimes necessary to generate spiritual movement.

The events of September 11, 2001 demonstrate the fact that tragedies can ignite heroism, generosity, caring and compassion and diverse acts of love. Tragedies may promote reflection about the meaning of life and suggest the need to reorder our priorities and reassess the value we place on material things as well as reconsider our relationships with fellow human beings. These are precisely the actions that make for spiritual progress. Conversely, spiritual indolence or spiritual stagnation may invite tragedies and suffering to jolt us from our spiritual slumber.