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To me all the ranting of the doctor about the confusion that will result from other health professionals being made doctors.

Now, seriously... we know that Medical Practice didn't start in Nigeria.

The question is this: in US, UK, Canada and other advanced countries, do other health professionals like Pharmacist, Nurses, Physiotherapist advance in their careers to become consultants? From all indications it seem that do.

So why should Nigeria be different because Nigerian doctors says.

Secondly because these other health professionals can advance to become consultants, does it mean that jus and dick & harry nurse, pharmacist etc can become a consultant?

I'm sure that's not the case. I'm sue there are stringent requirements for them to become consultants.

In solving this issue, I believe the government should just follow global best practices.

But for doctors to put up blanket no against other professionals becoming consultants seems wrong.

octopaul: Read what you typed, school yourself over it, and then decide if there is any modicum of honesty in your submission.

Yeah.... I feel you bro..... I get what you mean.

of course somebody has to the matron etc.....

......it's like you can and become your matron, become your chief lab scientists etc.....that should be enough for you..... forget about Consultancy....... don't you know that one is for the elders.....

octopaul: Read what you typed, school yourself over it, and then decide if there is any modicum of honesty in your submission.

Yeah.... I feel you bro..... I get what you mean.

of course somebody has to the matron etc.....

......it's like you can and become your matron, become your chief lab scientists etc.....that should be enough for you..... forget about Consultancy....... don't you know that one is for the elders.....

If that is the case, then they ought to be groundwork by government. There must be stringent requirements which has to be complied with before any of them can become a consultant.

The government or whomever are the people in charge should do that research.

drobadebayo: How is activism similar to having other motives,even if Wat u just said were true.

Because activism is either the mother or offspring of politics: and politics is about resource allocation; about who get what, when, and how?

You may not be interested in such mundane things, but your Ogas at the Top of the hierarchy definitely are. They see the bigger picture and making way ahead for you guys.

drobadebayo: Ur not an health practitioner?yet u feel doctors have other motives.but I can tell u doctors barely are interested in anything else aside medicine.I rest my case.

How can this true, doctors have one of the most activist union in the Nigerian state. The activism of your union is second to only that of the oil and gas worker's union: pengansen.

drobadebayo: I don't wanna jump into conclusions.
Am a doctor,i know the guidelines of becoming a hospital consultant.You should know urs too.i don't wanna beliv u are fighting for a cause u don't know
For a doctor to become a consultant,u need at least 6 years post MBBS training in ur specialty of choice.At the end of which ur appointment is terminated(at d end of training).u can then reapply to that hospital or other hospitals for the post of a consultant."its kinda like hey UCH,am now a fellow of west African college of surgeons,can u gimme a job".
That is why a medical officer(a doctor)even after doing MSc,PhD,diplomas and 30years of service will not dream of becoming a consultant.

You assume I'm a heath sector practitioner. Well I'm not. it just so happens that I've lives inside a teaching hospital for many many years, so all the politics going onbisvopen to me. I see firsthand what's happening.

drobadebayo: We keep mixing things up,again because of half-knowledge.
The Nigerian health system cannot be compared to US or UK at this point.A typical US nurse will not hold scalpels unless she z passing it to a surgeon in the theatre,a physician won't do heart surgery,a physiotherapist won't treat heart failure because he z also in d health system.Everybody understands deir limits and dey stay within.A physio knows he can't earn d same as an orthopedic surgeon except in dreams.A physician knows he can't do knee replacement.
Until we solve dese issues will we be able to start comparing,otherwise the results will be disastrous.

Please stop with your twisting of things. Everyone knows that nurses cannot earn as much as doctors. Or Medical Laboratory Scientists earn as much as doctors. And these professionals are aspiring for these goals. why should they. its not like that in any parts of the world.

The problem is that even that which should normally be due to them, Nigerian doctors have been fighting tooth and nails for decades to make sure that it never happens.

The fact is Nurses, pharmacist and physiotherapist become consultants in US, UK etc. Why should it be an abomination here in Nigeria because Nigerian doctors says so?

People don't be deceived, this consultant is closely tied to the fact that Nigerian doctors wants to corner all the opportunities which exists in the health sector to themselves.

For instance, some foreign bodies or world organisations needs a consultant in some pressing heath issues. It could be due to the peculiar nature of the issue, A consultant nurse or medical laboratory scientist or pharmacist will be most appropriate.

Alas, when they start asking around, maybe through some Consultancy Firms, there are no consultants in the entire health sector other than doctors. So only doctors will be able to get these kinds if opportunities.

Those guys....... they know why they are fighting tooth and nail and giving all sorts if ludicrous excuses.

Nigerian doctors will have us believe that is occe a nurse or laboratory scientist becomes a consultant, they will start interfering or overruling the diagnosis or orders of doctors.

Nonsense. if its not happening in other climes, why should it happen here. Many of the benefits of being a Consultant in your field extends beyond the hospitals and doctors knows this fact very well, after all, they've been benefiting from it in multi various ways.

drobadebayo: We keep ranting about nurses heading hospitals in US.Do they head MGH,Johns hopkins,yale,Mayo clinic,Cleveland?NO(those are the best hospitals in US nd nurses don't head them).
Because they head few suburban clinics in US does not translate allowing them to head to head our teaching hospitals.
Nurse practitioners in US typically work in under served areas in primary care where doctors are not interested.
Nurse consultants in US are not even hospital based.
Half-knowledge is very harmful,u don't handpick,u examine d whole situation.

Consultant nurses can be hospital based. I already refuted your claim by the US and UK articles I posted.

drobadebayo: D you know the guidelines if there are any?

because I don't know it offhand doesn't mean it don't exist. The nurses and pharmacist who become consultants in the US and UK, don't they have guidelines and requirements. All you need do is follow global best practices.

drobadebayo: We keep ranting about nurses heading hospitals in US.Do they head MGH,Johns hopkins,yale,Mayo clinic,Cleveland?NO(those are the best hospitals in US nd nurses don't head them).
Because they head few suburban clinics in US does not translate allowing them to head to head our teaching hospitals.
Nurse practitioners in US typically work in under served areas in primary care where doctors are not interested.
Nurse consultants in US are not even hospital based.
Half-knowledge is very harmful,u don't handpick,u examine d whole situation.

please stop twisting things... no one is ranting about nurses heading hospitals in US. And Nigerian nurses have neither do they nurse such ambitions. They just want the ones among them who wish to, to be able to be all that they can be in their chosen profession like their counterparts elsewhere.

You talk as if it every nurse that will be able to become a consultant. or are there no guidelines guiding this things?

Even in US where nurses and pharmacists are allowed to function the proper way they are supposed to, it does not mean that their decision can override that of a Doctor. Doctors of course have superior authority in patient care.

and registered nurses probably function in their fullest capacity in areas where there are no doctors or situations where no doctors are around.


But here in Nigeria, the problem is the doctors don't even want to recognize anyone. They want to suppress everyone.

Pharmacist, Nurses and other health professionals are not tussling for headship of hospitals with doctors as doctors want people to beleiev. Neither are they saying they must be earning the sane salaries as doctors.

They only wanted to be accorded the proper respect and put into the scheme of things like their counterparts in countries like US and UK.

Nigerians doctors, right from when they relocate to teaching hospitals are being indoctrinated by their handlers to believe that they are the only professionals in the health sector, that others are just there to relieve them of stress.

Some doctor on the forum even compared them to a driver that a doctor employs to relief him of the stress of driving.

And if you thing male Nigerian doctors are arrogant, wait till you meet the females.

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What pharmacists do and where
they work

Pharmacy is not just about filling prescriptions. it is about promoting health awareness and contributing to the betterment of the community.

Pharmacists may: prepare or supervise the dispensing of medicines, ointments and tablets
advise patients on how their medicines are to be taken or used in the safest and most effective
way in the treatment of common ailments advise members of the public and other health professionals about medicines (both prescription and over-the-counter medicines), including appropriate selection, dosage and drug interactions, potential side effects and therapeutic effects select, give advice on and supply non-prescription medicine, sickroom supplies and other products develop legally recognised standards, and advise on government controls and regulations concerning the manufacture and supply of medicines work in the research and development of medicines and other health-related products be involved in the management of pharmaceutical companies.

Community pharmacists dispense prescriptions, provide advice on drug selection and usage to doctors and other health professionals, primary
healthcare advice and support, and educating customers on health promotion, disease
prevention and the proper use of medicines..

Consultant pharmacists are either employed by community pharmacies or hospitals, or are self-
employed and contract with community pharmacies to provide medication reviews for residential care or ambulatory care patients and/ or other medication-related cognitive services.

Hospital pharmacists operate as part of a healthcare team and are involved in monitoring medication usage, counseling patients, providing
drug information and advice to health professionals and the community, conducting clinical trials and preparing products for patient use. They usually have a lot of contact with other health professionals and members of the public.

Industrial pharmacists undertake research and the development, manufacture, testing, analysis
and marketing of pharmaceutical and medical products.

Outside the square and going places: Pharmacists also work as locums and in fields such as the military, law, journalism, academic
teaching, research, pharmaceutical policy and in rural and remote areas, and even abroad.


http://www.psa.org.au/about/pharmacy-as-a-career/what-pharmacists-do-and-where-they-work

pharmacist - Job description

Hospital pharmacists

Job Description

Hospital Pharmacist work in a hospital pharmacy service, primarily within the public sector. They are experts in the field of medicines and are not only responsible for the dispensing of prescriptions but also the purchase, manufacture and quality testing of all medicines used in a hospital. Many hospital pharmacists are qualified to prescribe in their own right. Pharmacists work closely with medical and nursing staff to ensure that patients receive the best treatment, advising on the selection, dose and administration route. They also provide help and advice to patients in all aspects of their
medicines. The role of a hospital pharmacist can extend outside the hospital with responsibility for
medicines in health centres, nursing homes, hospices and general practitioners' (GP) surgeries.

Typical work activities Hospital pharmacists are medicine experts and tasks may include: checking prescriptions to ensure that there are no errors and that they are appropriate and safe for
the individual patient; providing advice on the dosage of medicines and the most appropriate form of medication, for example, tablet, injection, ointment or inhaler; participating in ward rounds, taking patient drug histories and involvement in decision-making on
appropriate treatments; liaising with other medical staff on problems
patients may experience when taking their medicines; discussing treatments with patients' relatives,
community pharmacists and GPs;
ensuring medicines are stored appropriately and securely;
supervising the work of less experienced and less qualified staff;
answering questions about medicines from within the hospital, other hospitals and the general
public; keeping up to date with, and contributing to, research and development; writing guidelines for drug use within the hospital and implementing hospital regulations;
providing information on expenditure on drugs; preparing and quality-checking sterile medications, for example, intravenous medications;
setting up and supervising clinical trials.

More experienced pharmacists may be involved in teaching, both within the pharmacy department and in other areas of the hospital.

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/hospital_pharmacist_job_description.htm

drpompay: Ah!
I'll pay u a zillion if u can prove dis!
Liar liar!

Check ur facts and stop listening to ur ignoramus JOHESU leaders
Consultant pharmacist in d US are never hospital based and never earn anything close to d Drs.
And lest I forget was d role of pharmacist in d hospital? (Answer- dispensing drugs) instead of manufacturing, validating or reconstituting.

B4 u come out in public to talk at least verify with Wikipedia

And is it d nurses, pharmacist, lab peeps that are more concern about d patients welfare?
Answer- Go ask ur mother next time she visits d hospital.



" Thwart like u dat failed out of med school"

If I'm to understand you correctly, for five years in a University, studying the course Pharmacy, students learn how to dispense drugs.

Can anyone be in doubt that doctors have been highly indoctrinated; it's just as worse as Boko-Haram.

It is fact that Nurse, Pharmacist, Physiotherapist, Medical Laboratory Scientists (not laboratory technicians as some mischievous persons are saying) become consultants in western countries.

Doctors need to explain why that is an aberration in Nigeria. That it has been like this for decades is because of the influence of doctors in the corridors of powers. But injustices can continue forever....... it seems the time has come for this issues to be redressed.

FDenigma: I politely disagree. JOHESU is a recent amalgamation of strange bedfellows whose only uniting bond is an inferiority complex directed at doctors.

Even within their ranks, they still tussle over who is "superior" (pharmacist better than Physio better than nurse, etc) as if that is what matters.

Most doctors didn't even know the union existed until they went on strike and locked up medical records and instruments. When doctors heard their absurd demands, they laughed...until FG approved all of them.

Unfortunately, as "underdogs", they seem to have public sympathy but let's call a spade a spade without emotions or "beef".

Even from the way you talk, it is evident what Nigerian doctors think of other professionals in the health sector.

Cityguy: Hahahaha, my friend. Ur analogy seems too elementary to me o. Anyway sha, we've dissipated too much energy on this and I think I need to grab a bowl of eba to recoup. As for crucifying u (lols), easy man, easy. Will never do that. What wud it profit to depopulate pharms/ pharm advocates. Besides, I hear u guys are short supply. Best regards friend

I intentionally made it elementary..... but doesn't mean it isn't true.....many science course are just advanced specialized physics, chemistry and biology. those three are basics and foundation of all sciences, that's the reason the three is compulsory for science students.......medicine is about being conversant with details, facts about the functioning of the human body and procedures for treating different conditions.......

See this my friend o
.....so do you have to study nuclear physics or chemical engineering before you know its not an easy subject.

Also you forgot that in secondary school we did physics chemistry, biology. Hence I know that medicine is not more difficult than Pharmacy. They are in the same range of difficulty. Whichever you choose is a matter if preference. And I believe the jamb cut should be equally or almost equally high (not sure about that one sha)

Medicine is a lot of biology and Pharmacy is a lot chemistry.

in fact I dare to say Pharmacy is more cerebral than medicine. Its just that medicine is so wide.... so many facts and knowledge to to learn..... very plentious....... that is the thing with medicine..... the details never ends......

........but its not brain power tasking as Pharmacy......

that's my two cents...... you can crucify me now......

armadeo: the term allied health workers refers to members of the health team apart from doctors, nurses and pharmacists. It is not a derogatory term.

CALM DOWN!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_health_professions

okay...... really very sorry.......withdraw my statement..... fall down shamed & repent in ashes.....

@armedo

What do you mean by allied health workers. This is a term coined by Nigerian doctors. They are a vital part of the health sector,; therefore they are health workers.
Its either you are in the health sector or you ate not. So physiotherapist is not in the health sector. A medical laboratory scientist is not in the health sector but only connected or allied to it. Also a pharmacist.

You guys are pathetic. Going by your submission, the only people in the health sector are doctors and dentist..... abi?

Cityguy: 'Joe Hates U' Lols. Very funny. Nigerians always have a way of getting nerves calm whatever the situation! What an ingenuity. Seriously now, seeing the vehemence and deliberate attempt of Joe-Hates-Uites at mis-informing/ twisting issues to confuse the public, I want to believe these are coming from deep seated vendatta against physicians. Am also sure the door of medical school is not closed to all ;oe-Hates-Uites. In fact, with the vocabulary prowess of the PSN guy, it shouldn't take him at most three years to complete med school and all these postgraduate nonsense. Besides, Nigeria is a land of absurdities.

This is really stupid. The guy is a Pharmacist. The last time I checked, Pharmacy is not a bread and butter course. You talk as if studying Pharmacy is in anyway easier than Medicine. I know for certain that it is not. It is a five year course. Medicine is 6 years. so what?

Not everyone wants to be a doctor. Are you saying everyone that studied Pharmacy did so because they couldn't make it into medicine?

let's just wait and see what happens

Dr. Adewale Owolabi is a health expert. In a chat
with OMIKO AWA, he bares his mind on the
ongoing strike by the Nigerian medical doctors.
Could you say the agitation by the Nigerian
medical doctors is for the good of all and better
healthcare for the country?
I think in trade dispute you see different unions
particularly when government is an employer,
acting for either benefit or condition of service
review. I don’t think the case of the Nigerian
medical doctors is an exemption; it is just that,
sometimes, either the frequency or the reason or
the process used in getting their grievances or
voices heard are where the issues lie and not so
much whether they should protest or not. It is
not what they are protesting for that really
matter, but what channels have they used to get
them through and how patient are they, giving
the sensitivity and the importance of their role in
the society. I think those are the things we need
to look at.
Would this strike not cause groups like the
pharmacists, laboratory technicians and others
associated with medical doctor to also go on
strike?
I think the way strike or industrial disputes go in
Nigeria is, when one part of the medical group
calls it off, the other groups pick it up. When the
doctors finish their agitation, the nurses,
laboratory workers or the pharmacist will pick up
theirs. Sometime instead of working as a team,
you see them not flowing in the same direction. I
spoke with one of my colleagues in government
service about the strike, and he said, sincerely he
does not know the reason they are going on
strike. He was on his way to meet his medical
director that he does not see any reason for the
strike and this shows, sometimes, how loose
some of the reasons for the strikes are. And
looking at some of them, I discovered that a lot
of them are really selfish; they are about
condition of service, they are about some thing
that could be discussed if given enough time to
engage the public. For instance, I gathered that
they want the structure of the Teaching Hospitals
and Federal Medical Centres to be amended, they
want the Medical Advisory Chairman to have
deputies — four for Teaching Hospitals and three
for Federal Medical Centres. They want hazard
allowance of a minimum of N100, 000 per
month, they want the process of climbing the
ladder to level 17, which is the directorship, to
be unhindered and by virtue of seniority and
whether the person occupying the position is to
be addressed as director or not, they want the
appointment of the Surgeon General of the
Federation . I could remember, 24 years I left
Medical School, the issue of Surgeon General was
on and I ask myself, if all these conditions are
met, will it improve the healthcare of the nation?
Will it make the Teaching Hospitals to work
better? Will it improve the attitude of the medical
team? Will it make the health indices that is
abysmal for us as a nation to improve — that is
talking about the maternal maternity rate, infant
mortality rate, the communicable diseases and
other health issues facing the nation. Would it
make medical outcome better, would it reduce
health tourism to India, a third world country like
us, to stop? Would it make Nigeria to be a
destination where people can get good medical
care? Looking at this, I must say my guess is as
good as yours.
I think the doctors are a bit selfish. I look
forward to seeing a period when our medical
doctors would match out on the streets to say
because our mortuaries are smelling, they will
not go to work until they put them aright. Go to
some hospitals and see the bad state they are
and you begin to wonder why don’t the doctors
working there to use them as the basis of
protest. It is because of this that I say the
protest is selfish. It is selfish because we are not
doing the right things that should make us get
up as a nation.
Are you then saying the strike should be called
off?
It takes two to tango, but I am not sure
government is listening because any little thing
government officials will fly to America or the UK
for treatment. And if they are listening, I am not
sure they are listening enough. Unfortunately, you
don’t hear that a minister is admitted in one
Teaching Hospital, except some months back a
governor had an accident and was admitted at
the National Hospital; that even made the news.
So, the people you are talking to are not listening,
any little thing they fly, they all have their private
doctors and the means to travel abroad, even
when we treat malaria better than those doctors
they going to meet abroad.
However, all this boils down to the type of
government we have as a nation, I think
government on its own part is not sensitive to the
plight of the people. Government has not done
enough; they should have engaged the doctors to
make sure this does not happen. Also, the doctors
should have engaged the public, give enough
warning to sensitise the public about their
actions. It is like the Police Force or the Armed
Forces going on strike. The medical profession is
a sensitive profession that you should not allow
for a break in their services. I don’t think the
government and the doctors have shown enough
maturity on the strike; there are egos flying here
and there and I don’t know if these doctors even
use the public hospitals or if they too fly abroad.
What does this strike portend for the nation and
lives of the people?
My colleagues should go back to work, public
opinion is not in our favour; in fact, the public
does not see us as people that protect lives or
have value for lives. They do not see doctors
contributing to their well being anymore, they see
us as people they need to go to because they
have no choice. I am appealing we go back to
work and engage the government more
constructively; we should go to the public domain
and elicit a debate. I don’t think a teacher
earning N40,000 per month would be excited by
the fight of the doctors for N100,000 hazard
allowance, I am not saying the work doctors do
are not hazardous; in fact, every work we do has
some measure of hazards built in them, so
everybody wants hazard allowance. I tell you if
doctors are answered based on this, those who
handle blood in the lab, the radiographers,
nurses who dress wounds, even cleaners in the
hospital will demand for hazard allowance .
Doctors should go back to work and look for a
health system that would restore the dignity of
man, a system that would increase research, treat
the vulnerable people and think less of what goes
into our individual pockets.
We should rather engage government on the
health bill that has been dancing in the house; it
should be passed into law so that we can go
back to primary healthcare to ensure we prevent
diseases. The health bill is in fact a wholesome
package that would bring to end some of the
things agitated for by the Nigerian doctors. To
show you how insensitive government is to the
plight of the people, they are not talking about it,
don’t be surprised that while the strike lasts
political campaigns would be going on. If this
were the United State or UK you will see the
President or Prime Minister immediately
addressing the public, because they feel the pulse
of the people. Government needs to be proactive
because if you don’t value life as a nation, you
can’t enhance life.
SOURCE
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/sunday-
magazine-sp-509870158/169473-owolabi-both-
government-and-doctors-should-think-of-the-

They never ask anything of such. The salaries, benefits,: allowances of doctors have always being, for many years now at least double or almost double the closest group in the health sector to them.

if this is true, then it's very stupid; why not just buy a treadmill and exercise in the convenience of his home...... makes no sense at all.....if truly he's causing traffic, then the police ought to arrest him or citizens should make a report....

Very stupid explanation and reason for seizing the microphone from a seating governor. They have you a whole 20 million naira. You ought to have rejected it because you should have known there was no way a government can keep as a secret such a huge donation.....

I have hearing many notable people say the confab is a complete waste of time.......

.......but the day that I heard that the confab proposed the creation of 18 more states was the day I became absolutely sure that the National Conference was indeed an exercise in futility: a truly waste of nation's time and scarce resources.