Hearme:

90% of doctors are arrogant. You know only the surface of Biochemistry and physiology. I challenge you to a debate on this. If a PhD holder starts at level 10 equivalent in the university, no honors degree should be granted a level 12 equivalent. Anyway I don't so much blame the doctors, I blame the lawmakers who have spent 15 good years in this dispensation of democracy doing nothing, yet collecting all. If our labour laws and salaries and wages commission do function well there will be less crisis in the system. Only that none of them are seeing, yet they have committees overseeing everything in this country. Its a shame that the ASUP strike is still on and the ASUU issues are still been toyed with. Labour issues might never end unless the political appointees begins to think straight. I'm still baffled that a 8 years serving governor who solicited for your vote to lead is entitled to a live pension while workers who worked for 35years are told to do contributory pension scheme. Why can't the president and governors do contributory pension from their official salary? Why should they enjoy free medical health after stealing much from us? Its really a pain that there is no fairness or even a slight equity in our nation. This challenges will continue unless a thinking government sees to it. I'm not sure confab is dealing with labour issues appropriately at all. PLEASE VOTE WISELY IN 2015.

About BCH and physiology ......I read the same text books normal Bsc read and I can tell you its not surface alone.....I drew pathways and did practicals too. What you study for four years I finished it in 18months....and so you are claiming winner now plz where is the trophy...live and lets live

YourHealthlabs:

Actually the implementation of FG-JOHESU agreement was 'put on hold' temporarily and NMA was ask to suspend strike action and maintain status quo while negotiations were initiated. Our 'demi gods' in NMA flouted the order.

Therefore you have no moral right to refer to a judgement you chose to disobey. NMA is a lawless bunch.

If we had good and enough medical litigation lawyers in Nigeria, many physicians will be in jail. They have never obeyed ANY COURT ORDER.

Nigerians 'small gods' say are greater than you and constitution.

go and get yourself educated on the issues, NMA was NEVER in court on this matter and the restraining order did not mentioned NMA as a party. It was MDCAN that too FG and JOHESU to court and MDCAN did not declare strike, NMA did.

GoldStandard: This thread reeks of ignorance! Is it the work of the pharmacist or nurse or lab scientist that a Dr can not do? The Dr's are on strike, you all should go & get treated by the Consultant Nurses & Lab Scientists na! This same over-hyped Nigerian Dr's are being employed instantly in US, UK........anyway 'a prophet is not known in his hometown'

Nigerian B.mls have been evaluated to be of US standard. Nigerian scientists pass the NCA and ASCP exams with ease to work as MLScientists in U.S and Canadian labs.

Nigerian M.bbs is NOT an International standard. MD is d real deal.

U.S and U.K hospital DO NOT employ Nigerian docs instantly. They are made to write USMLE which is very highly competitive for non-US and non-Canadian trained docs and chances are very slim for these foreign-trained physicians in the U.S.

Stop misleading people.


We've settle this issue in my previous posts on a different thread.

Someone once said "the most difficult person to wake up, is the one pretending to be sleeping"

Most of d anti doctor comments is borne out of ignorance.

The govt promised to meet our needs at d early part of year. Till now, they have reneged on their agreement.

There were series of meeting, warning strike,ultimatums and finally an indefinate strike. When d doctors where talking with d govt, how many of the e warriors asked the govt to do the needed. Of course, they see doctors as priest who should render charity

They deliberately turned a blind eye to all the times we tried to resolve this issues without strike
Look at our ASUP that have being on strike for more than a year, how many of u have made any meaningful contribution to end the strike

The truth is that the govt only listens to strike
If strike the only music that this govt listens to, then by all means let dem hear it in full blast.

For those who want to refer to soldiers n policemen, if they are comfortable working the way they have being, then by all means let them continue. For those who had lost their lives while doing so, what did these e-warriors do, them lamblasted them, calling them cowards,bribetakers,thieves and oppressors.

For doctors, they refused the status quo. If u can't stomach it. Climb mtn mast and jump down!

joker5180: go and get yourself educated on the issues, NMA was NEVER in court on this matter and the restraining order did not mentioned NMA as a party. It was MDCAN that too FG and JOHESU to court and MDCAN did not declare strike, NMA did.

NMA and MDCAN are of the same body with similar goals.
The order was supposed include 'ALL Parties involved' and all impending STRIKE must be suspended.

Somebody disregarded the court order and told the Nigerian Judiciary to go hell by declaring strike. Who did? NMA.

azubikedr: This article is a beautiful piece of non sense.It seems the writer eats from the anus.I no blame her.It is only in Nigeria that doctors are treated with disdain.You go and read medicine if you can do it.Idiot.

Foolish thought. Next time you want to travel out, place your stethoscope on your neck and fly the plain. When you want to eat food, plant your clinical coat and rice will grow. Talking as if all must study medicine. Who is more idiotic?

YourHealthlabs:

Nigerian B.mls have been evaluated to be of US standard. Nigerian scientists pass the NCA and ASCP exams with ease to work as MLScientists in U.S and Canadian labs.

Nigerian M.bbs is NOT an International standard. MD is d real deal.

U.S and U.K hospital DO NOT employ Nigerian docs instantly. They are made to write USMLE which is very highly competitive for non-US and non-Canadian trained docs and chances are very slim for these foreign-trained physicians in the U.S.

Stop misleading people.


We've settle this issue in my previous posts on a different thread.

Do you know how Nigerians trash USMLE, that's why our pple keep travelling wait for testimony maybe before your last tooth falls off

armadeo:



Let me understand you.
The cadre of current officers who are captains and above now went through a four year program. Is that what you are saying.

Keep shut if you don't know. Academy used to be a 3years program in the past. With the introduction of degree, it became a 5years program. Around 2002 -2003 cadets training was returned to 4years such that about 3 regular courses of cadets graduated within 4years, before it was returned back to a 5year program. So as rightly as he has said, those officers who enlisted within those years are captains.

YourHealthlabs:

NMA and MDCAN are of the same body with similar goals.
They order was supposed include 'ALL Parties involved' and all impending STRIKE must be suspended.

Somebody disregarded the court order and told the Nigerian Judiciary to go hell by declaring strike. Who did? NMA.

.......was supposed to All parties............. tell that to the judges since according you they dont know how to issue court orders.

I could palpate outpouring of emotions and sentiments on this thread.....
I wish I could educate and orientate alot of people on this thread ...but I don't think that is possible
My heart goes go those souls that have gone due to this strike, My the greatest Physician console their families and He touch the heart of our insensitive, insincere and cruel government.
Anyhow, flexing this strike real hard ...catching up with family and friends

Eldavido1:

what load of crap!!! Do you know dat Nigerian government pay far less than d recommended world health organisation (WHO) minimum wage for doctors? when our poor neighbours such as Ghana pay far above it. But d average Nigerian doctor has far more patient load than his counter part in other part of the world. But wat do we know....

I wasn't talking about their pay.

tuoyoojo:

For doctors, they refused the status quo. If u can't stomach it. Climb mtn mast and jump down!

Ahba Medical Doctor, when you're not a BH member.

philtrum:

Why are you so pained? Doctors are overhyped? Lawmakers nko those once are not overhyped at all..... Infact they are underpaid. All you do is rant.

Nobody hypes lawmakers. Is overhyped synonymous to overpaid? All I do is rant? Do you know me? Have we met before? I'm guessing you meant "all you've done is to rant". It's either you're just looking for cheap likes or you just need a few english lessons.

armadeo:

That's a nurse. Simple comprehension. All she saw was drz and gods in the same sentence and she went on rampage.

hey dickk, dat was a cheap shot. Wat has her profession got to do with her abilities? Pray tell me

casket: I could palpate outpouring of emotions and sentiments on this thread.....
I wish I could educate and orientate alot of people on this thread ...but I don't think that is possible
My heart goes go those souls that have gone due to this strike, My the greatest Physician console their families and He touch the heart of our insensitive, insincere and cruel government.
Anyhow, flexing this strike real hard ...catching up with family and friends

When they hit you with no work no pay policy, you will flex like Micheal Jackson. But wait oh, Wike did no work no pay for ASUU, why has he not tried it with ASUP after 10months?

CLARIFICATION

NMA- nigerian medical association
is a professional body of ALL medical doctors who are registered and licensed to practice in nigeria by medical and dental council of nigeria MDCN. It has branches in all the 36 states of the federation including FCT.

NMA Affiliates
these are groups of medical doctors with common interests, they are affiliated to NMA and can independantly embark on strike when the need arises.

1 MDCAN- medical and dental consultants association of nigeria, All consultants belong to this affiliate

2 NDA - nigerian dental association. ALL dentists belongs here
3 MWAN - medical women association of nigeria, ALL women doctors are members

4 NARD - national association of residents doctors, ALL doctors on residency trainning are here

5 NAGGMDP- national association of government general medical and dental practioners, ALL non-specialists doctors working with state and local governments
6 AGPMPN- association of general private medical practioners of nigeria, ALL non- specialist doctors in private practice

7 NADUHS- national association of doctors in university health services, ALL doctors working in university clinics.
Whenever you hear of doctors strike kindly ask questions to find out which group of doctors are on strike. As far as I am aware this is the 2nd time NMA NATIONAL is embarking on strike in the last 4years.

To me all the ranting of the doctor about the confusion that will result from other health professionals being made doctors.

Now, seriously... we know that Medical Practice didn't start in Nigeria.

The question is this: in US, UK, Canada and other advanced countries, do other health professionals like Pharmacist, Nurses, Physiotherapist advance in their careers to become consultants? From all indications it seem that do.

So why should Nigeria be different because Nigerian doctors says.

Secondly because these other health professionals can advance to become consultants, does it mean that jus and dick & harry nurse, pharmacist etc can become a consultant?

I'm sure that's not the case. I'm sue there are stringent requirements for them to become consultants.

In solving this issue, I believe the government should just follow global best practices.

But for doctors to put up blanket no against other professionals becoming consultants seems wrong.

dBard:
To overhype..is to Grossly Exaggerate/promote beyond wat it is.

Exactly my point. I said doctors are overhyped in Nigeria, I didn't say doctors are overhyped. Any sick person needs a doctor not just in Nigeria but all over the world. So your "dont visit a doctor" point doesn't count.

[quote]In d context u used it, it is degrading t Drs

I can't see how I degraded them

..tho t u it still doesnt render them less important..

I never said they were unimportant. If I say Enyeama is overhyped (it's just an illustration I'm not saying he is), I'm not saying he's not important, I'm just saying people are exaggerating his abilities, bla bla bla. Get it?

The general consensus I get from these threads is that the Nigerian public does not require the services of these idiots called Doctors. So why all the noise, take your sick to the pharmacist, physiotherapist , MLS and nurses, no one is stopping you. After all some years ago Borno state brought in Egyptian technologist who were acting as doctors. Yes people died but it's better than being treated by a lousy Nigerian doctor.In everything in life there is the law of demand and supply if people stop looking for doctors then we(cos I am one) will find our level. Shikena!

Hearme:

Keep shut if you don't know. Academy used to be a 3years program in the past. With the introduction of degree, it became a 5years program. Around 2002 -2003 cadets training was returned to 4years such that about 3 regular courses of cadets graduated within 4years, before it was returned back to a 5year program. So as rightly as he has said, those officers who enlisted within those years are captains.

I sought information from someone else and you are here insulting. You know the adage of argument and fools right.

philtrum:

What you sh*t head should have known......

ur response to an harmless question tells more of the kinda god that you are.an angry d*g sorry god!

YourHealthlabs:

Actually the implementation of FG-JOHESU agreement was 'put on hold' temporarily and NMA was ask to suspend strike action and maintain status quo while negotiations were initiated. Our 'demi gods' in NMA flouted the order.

Therefore you have no moral right to refer to a judgement you chose to disobey. NMA is a lawless bunch.

If we had good and enough medical litigation lawyers in Nigeria, many physicians will be in jail. They have never obeyed ANY COURT ORDER.

Nigerians 'small gods' say are greater than you and constitution.

NMA and MDCAN are two entities.

allycat: The general consensus I get from these threads is that the Nigerian public does not require the services of these idiots called Doctors. So why all the noise, take your sick to the pharmacist, physiotherapist , MLS and nurses, no one is stopping you. After all some years ago Borno state brought in Egyptian technologist who were acting as doctors. Yes people died but it's better than being treated by a lousy Nigerian doctor.In everything in life there is the law of demand and supply if people stop looking for doctors then we(cos I am one) will find our level. Shikena!

Simple economics. Demand and supply.

Am sure you are also amazed at the level of antagonism coming from the populace though I don't believe that they represent a majority, its funny that these same people cursing out here will use speed to get to the hospital screaming dr dr when the "oppressed ones" have pushed them into the embrace of the grim reaper expecting the arrogant god to perform miracles.

Its beyond my comprehension.

when u guys (the semi-gods, demi-gods, and final gods) are thru, abeg, make una call off the strike... It's a pity this strike thing has become an annual event.

philtrum:
And that's the best your brain can think of on the 10th of july 2014, I'm sure you don't evn know what is going on you just drop mouth inside what doesn't concern you like dog trying to carry sanitary pad from trash can......You better keep quiet before you hear the story of your life

is this the worst venom you can spit? Why not create alternate accounts to like your _stupid post too, like annoymous? Arrogant greedy ram!

Hearme:

My first encounter with the minister was bad. It was a lecture on the Golden Jubilee of MEDILAG. The man said medical postgraduate fellowship was higher than the PhD degree. To me that was pretty foolish of him to say so, with professionals of different fields in the university seated for the lecture. Its a shame that a man of this state of mind heads the ministry of health. He will definitely attempt to kill other professions in the health sector. I'm happy he is reaping the seed of discord he has planted. In a sane country Wike and Onyebuchi would have longed been fired.

See yourself !!!
What makes you think he's not right after all?
PhD is purely an academic training lasting 4-5yrs with research & thesis submission.
Postgraduate Medical Training lasts 6-10yrs with combined academic & clinical training rounded off with a robust research experience & thesis.
A resident physician is more likely to fail his/her exams.
By the way, the foundation sets them apart since a doc spends > 6yrs in schl while the PhD scholar spends at most 5yrs in respect to the 1st degree!
Do you still think he's outright wrong saying that ?

Funny thing every joke of a union think they are important these days. Call me when the petroleum tanker drivers start their strike, cos those are the real gods.

I think the docs are silly and greedy, though I respect their right to protest or down tools. I just dont think its fair for a Nigerian civil servant to get their salary when they are on strike. And if they delay longer, they should all be sacked and new docs re hired. Leave management for Managers.

7sperovs:

U are a fool? who asked u to go to school for 6 years, i went to the NDA for 4 years and after graduation i still have to stand before a bullet each time there is crisis so that i can protect u the doctor, who should earn more..Soldier, that protect even the doctors or police that the CMD calls when armed men come into his house to collect what the CMD stole from the hospital..Genuine cause my foot...Soldiers cant go on strike, th epolice cant go onstrike even when they are paid rubbish, who sacrifices more and who should really be agitating for better pay..Doctors should go and sleep
Am pregnat. doctor say lets find out, Go for a test.
Am feeling feverish- Doctor says lets find out whats really wrong with you, go for a test.
Am very sure the so called lab technician, can tell what result is positive for any ailment and a pharmacist can tell u what drug and what dosage u need to get cured....Every consultant just gives u a list of (lab technician's) test that decides which of the (pharmacist's) drugs to use..It make one wonder what they can really do without test and drugs..
None of the medical/health sector can survive without the other, Doctors should stop feeling too important joor

Very well on point!!!

7sperovs:

U are a fool? who asked u to go to school for 6 years, i went to the NDA for 4 years and after graduation i still have to stand before a bullet each time there is crisis so that i can protect u the doctor, who should earn more..Soldier, that protect even the doctors or police that the CMD calls when armed men come into his house to collect what the CMD stole from the hospital..Genuine cause my foot...Soldiers cant go on strike, th epolice cant go onstrike even when they are paid rubbish, who sacrifices more and who should really be agitating for better pay..Doctors should go and sleep
Am pregnat. doctor say lets find out, Go for a test.
Am feeling feverish- Doctor says lets find out whats really wrong with you, go for a test.
Am very sure the so called lab technician, can tell what result is positive for any ailment and a pharmacist can tell u what drug and what dosage u need to get cured....Every consultant just gives u a list of (lab technician's) test that decides which of the (pharmacist's) drugs to use..It make one wonder what they can really do without test and drugs..
None of the medical/health sector can survive without the other, Doctors should stop feeling too important joor

Very well on point!!!

MOBBDEEP:
See yourself !!!
What makes you think he's not right after all?
PhD is purely an academic training lasting 4-5yrs with research & thesis submission.
Postgraduate Medical Training lasts 6-10yrs with combined academic & clinical training rounded off with a robust research experience & thesis.
A resident physician is more likely to fail his/her exams.
By the way, the foundation sets them apart since a doc spends > 6yrs in schl while the PhD scholar spends at most 5yrs in respect to the 1st degree!
Do you still think he's outright wrong saying that ?

Can I ask what phd you're referring to that's just 5yrs? Have u forgotten that there's usually some 4yrs of study plus about a year masters prior to phd? You call phd purely research and thesis, forgetting that this research is very intense so that it's the foundation of the new findings we enjoy today, even the new knowledge doctors know today. Pls correct me if I'm wrong on this.

My dear, no profession is lesser than the other. The debate has been on since my secondary school days and no one ever agreed that one degree is superior to another. Instead it's the degree holder that makes the difference.

YourHealthlabs:
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=70782

Utter illiteracy.

YourHealthlabs:
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=70782

Well said this is oozing ignorance. You did not say anything bad about doctors when all other sectors joined and congregated on their ass, !